Taraquin

https://winraid.level1techs.com/t/tool-mirror-added-universalamdformbrowser/40353

A way to access hidden bios features like memory overclocking etc on Ryzen notebooks. I consider getting a cheap Legion/Ideapad just for the fun if it😉

More info and real life testing:

Ram overclock from 3200c22 to 3733c20 and tuned subs knocked off 23ns in aida and improved SOTTR by 25%!

I often miss my P651RS-G. Sold it almost 2 years ago. It had a lot if good stuff:

-G-sync

-Tweakable bios (I overclocked and tuned ram from 2133cl15 to 2400cl14 with tight subs, got me up to 15% more fps in some games). Even supported 2666+ OC but my ram couldn't handle that.

-Max charge setting on battery

-Easy to open

-Very nice temps repasted with Kryonaut (CPU  -4C, GPU -2C), undervolted core and cache by -140/-190mv lowered temps by 10C, and UV/OC on GPU (1850@850mv, 3% better perf, 2C lower temps) and cooling pad with fan -2C on both. In Witcher 3 temps dropped from near 90C CPU/76C GPU to 70C/70C.

Only thing I disliked was fan profile. Around 49dB even with UVs applied, wish I could run fans a bit slower at a bit higher temps.

I have been looking for a similar notebook later (g-sync, ram tuning in bios, charge limiter, easy maintenance and tuneable fan profiles), but found no candidates I could afford. Some MSI titans fit the discription, but cost 2500usd+.

I think a 12400 would be a awesome deal in this notebook. Easy to cool since it only uses about 30-40W in gaming and 70-80W in CB, better with UV.

4 hours ago, srs2236 said:

I am very confused how to use it properly. Last time I tried to use it I got worse performance than before.

 

Do you have a good tutorial that I could watch?

Usually a flat line starting between 800 and 900mv somewhere at around 1800-1950MHz is best. 1800 is usually stable at 800mv or slightly above, 900mv may be able to run 1950MHz.  Find the highest stable. If you have room to spare powerwise try slightly over 900mv.0

Awesome project mate, glad it worked out 🙂 Tip for OC: Use curve editor in afterburner instead of +MHz for OC. On my 1070 I could bare use +50MHz before I got powerlimit at 115W. Using curve editor making curve flat from 850mv I got 1850MHz stable using 110-115W som slightly below powerlimit. Temps down by 5C vs stock, performance up by 3-5%.

19 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

 

Gear 2 on 11th and 12th gen laptops DDR4 is garbage since the design limitations usually cap the memory at 3200 range along with absolutely atrocious latency. 11th gen, best G1 chip I had topped out at 3933. 12th gen gets around 4266 single rank, 4133 dual rank. I also ran into many 11th gen chips that couldn't go over 3600 and a few 12th gen that couldn't go over 3733.

 

I refer to RKL as Intel's Frankenchip. That "we have to offer something" phase between 10th and 12th.

 

For 12th, slowly, but surely DDR5 will fully eclipse DDR4 even running in G2 in all aspects but it isn't quite there yet.

 

 

 

 

Desktop is way easier :) Where do I find like emote? Was gonna give you but cant find it. Maybe phonebrowser issue?

On 7/23/2022 at 4:34 PM, srs2236 said:

Hello!

 

I am wondering what is the fastest RAM speed anyone has achieved on a Clevo laptop.

 

For example, my P775TM1-G can do completely stable 3333MHz, 14-17-17-32, 1.45V.

 

I know that the RAM itself can easily do 3467MHz and quite possibly even more but my Clevo can do somewhat stable 3352MHz with BCLK overclocking and it can boot 3400MHz but it is guaranteed to get stuck in a infinite RAM training loop after first restart.

 

Most frustrating thing is, on the first boot with 3400, it is actually perfectly stable (till you shutdown).

 

3352MHz works, but sometimes retrains and because of that BCLK resets and it's just not convenient.

 

I have been waiting either for a DDR5 DTR or a laptop with better RAM OC support but to be honest there havent been anything better out yet until I saw this picture from Eurocom and that made me curious about other people's results.

 

Is it true the X170KM-G can do DDR4-3600? Seems quite impressive!

 

Thanks!

 

With 10th gen maybe, with 11th gen less likely unless gear 2. 4 dimms is not good for speed 😕 IMC on 11th gen desktop is shit, very hard on good MB to get over 3733 in gear 1, 10th gen do 4000+ easy, some even 4500+. Rocket lake is not good, terrible efficiency, but okay with undervolt. 

11th gen has gear 1/2 stupidity? Gear 2 is way slower, but much easier on IMC. I helped a couple of fellows on their MSI Titan with 10900K. 3200 was max for both, they got ok timings with Hynix DJR. 

On 6/20/2022 at 6:45 PM, electrosoft said:

 

Did you ever test your chip to see how it rates? (Plat, Gold, Silver). I know also when tuning my brothers B550M + 5600x I went with CO vs static because his workloads are very light and at most he plays fortnite with a 1650 so for him he will most likely experience the nice sc boosts but he wanted a smaller form factor so I built him an mATX Gigabyte system and tuning CO coupled with the 240mm I put in there and the system usually stays near dead silent for everything he does and the GPU is loudest component. He's had it for over a year now and loves it but he said it is running a smidge louder and laggy so I'll give it a yearly tune up. But when I had my 5800x system running WoW shadowlands (my main game) I would hit raids and PvP and see that ~4.9 boost drop to 4.7 or lower and at that point there was no advantage especially after I went back in with CB23 to root out varying core instabilities under load and found quite a few core loads (let's say 3 cores) would crash under load but 1 or 8 wouldn't. It would depend on the load and how many cores were being pushed. If you're ok with a dirty OC and instabilities that are there but don't affect your workloads that works too.

 

It definitely does depend on the tasks at hand. You can run CB23, start with a single threaded run and slowly start adding in threads per 10 min runs and you will find instabilities quickly that will force you to back off of aggressive CO offsets quickly and/or your clocks will tank.

 

In the end, whatever works for you I just prefer consistent clocks and stability in all scenarios but whatever gets you those fps! 🙂

 

 

 

 

I think it was platinum in hydra (3 cores could run 5.1GHz+ on 1.35v, 1 5GHz), 2 was in the 4.9 territory. Age 4 and Cyberpunk is the most CPU demanding I play. I have tuned ram (4000cl16 1t B-die) so it will have more CPU headroom than a 5600X running 3600 xmp. 

Ryzen 5k is very temp sensitive, as long as temps are below 70C it will run allcore about 150MHz faster vs 80C. Static OC tends to give more stable temps, while CO+PBO give more fluctuations, if a certain temp threshold is reached using PBO+CO allcore will drop and I can see that this may be beneficial in certain games that hit allcore heavy. Early patches of CP2077 used some avx2, that was a true CPU killer. 

On 6/18/2022 at 1:27 AM, electrosoft said:

5600x is actually one of the recommended CPUs for the 15" XMG model and most likely the most optimal one to use.

 

Depending on the game you use it will vary how hard it hits the CPU and I don't like fluctuations when gaming as loads can vary that is why for my 5800x I just went static all core @ 4.7 as I found it bouncing all around with dips below 4.7 at times. A game like BFV (or similar) that can hit the CPU decently hard and on multiple cores would most likely run better fixed and OCd but a game that hits it lighter and SC would not. Basically, It is a case by case and I don't like that. I like to know where my CPU will be and where it will stay.

 

I wanted to like CO but that -30 CO would crash and burn under real loads unless you have a golden of golden chips. Once I actually started to dial in my CO profile and run real loads or even games like WoW and observed the CPU in action I would see too many fluctuations between ~4.9 and 4.5 especially in raids and PvP. I mean in the overall scheme of things it isn't a deal breaker or maker either way but I prefer consistency and stability and just scaling cores under CB23 would BSOD my 5800x so I had to start lowering my CO and even with a golden chip for true stability I found CO was sitting in the -5 to -15 on some nowhere near -30 which really was for very light loads. Even through it all I liked my Tomahawk X570 + 5800x + B-Die combo but the USB ports and the issues (which are still a problem for many users to this day) was a deal breaker for me as I work extensively with external media and to have them just time out up to the day I sold it and moved on was unacceptable.

 

AMD is promising decent OC and boosts on their next gen chips so we will see what they bring to the table. I'm hoping its something juicy because the baby cores approach from Intel stacking on more e-cores is not too exciting.

 

 

I haven`t noticed fluctuations in performance when gaming with pbo+co. Lows are the same as static, but I get slightly better overall performance due to higher single core. Could be a few games where it matters, but haven`t noticed it in any of the games I play (SOTTR, TW3, CP2077). Within the same power limit my CO+PBO is superior to allcore OC on my setup, but I`m quite lucky and can run -28x1, -29x1 and -30x4 on my 5600X. both 4.6 allcore and my current pbo (it runs at 4.6 avg) uses around 75-76W, but I miss out on 250MHz singel core using allcore oc which lowers avg fps in some games like SOTTR.

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Unfortunately that will still only get you so far limited at 88w trying to shoehorn a 5950x and leave you at the mercy of varying boosts depending on load (which can be good or bad). On my 5800x desktop after optimizing CO and PBO after the Ageisa update that neutered it I ended up going classic static OC for consistency and stability. Still, it is better than nothing if you're trying to extract optimal performance of the 5950x in a severely underpowered chassis.

 

X170'esque chassis would handle a 5950x with ease. I wish Clevo would offer a 17.3" DTR but as @1610ftw said hopefully Clevo will offer something compelling with AMDs new lineup along with 13th gen.

 

 

On my 5600X allcore speed went from 4.35 to 4.6 using -30 neg CO. Comparable allcore OC is 4.6GHx which consumes around 76W, but I miss out on the 4.85 SC boost so in general I would say CO is superior to allcore OC, especially if you game.

5 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

The NH5xJ uses DDR4. I have a HyperX dual rank Micron E-die IC 2x16GB kit in mine which works fine at 3200 CL20 Gear 1 from its JEDEC profile.

Okay, I thought there were both DDR4 and 5 version:) Your kit I think is rev E, highly overclockable and tuneable if you want 🙂

On 6/15/2022 at 9:45 AM, jaybee83 said:

cpu die to copper ihs - liquid metal

copper ihs to heatsink - regular paste (going with kryonaut)

 

since its not my own machine i dont like to mess around with liquid metal on top of the ihs, just a precaution. nevertheless, i still expect a significant temperature drop 🙂

 

btw, the bios clamp and cable is arriving today, wooooo!

Is 3800 on ram running in gear 1? On my desktop 12400F 3700 in G1 seems max due to SA volt being locked at 0.95v. Is you ram B-die? Can you adjust ram voltage? 

Do you get tuning access to ram on this notebook? I see there are som 5600 ddr5 so-dimms being launched now. If lucky some 4800cl40 chips can be Hynix which on desktop may do 6400cl30+. 2 dimms seem to help a lot vs 4 dimms so even though so-dimm is underwhelming vs regular dimm one may be able to do 6000 ish on this notebook with Hynix? 

19 minutes ago, serpro69 said:

 

Not sure that's possible, unless by "soon" you mean "never"  I don't think there are any "perfect laptops" these days, unfortunately.

 

But anyways, welcome to the forums and good luck with your hunt .

I had the P651RS with 6700HQ and 1070 from 2016 to 2019. It was perfect for me, g-sync, IPS, could undervolt CPU, easy to change thermal paste, overclocked and tuned ram, undervolted/overclocked GPU. It was awesome 🙂 Many MSI laptops can be perfect with their advanced bios, but most lack g-sync due to no MUX or advanced optimus, that is the downside. The ones that has adaptive sync tends to be 2000usd+.

18 hours ago, Reciever said:

Welcome to the forums! 

Thx!

17 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

welcome back dude! and yes, the NBR die hards / core members have reported for duty here at NBT 🙂 

Sounds good. Ain`t got a notebook atm, just desktop, but will probably get a notebook again soon when I find a perfect model (advanced bios for ram oc\cpu mods and adaptive sync).

Using curve optimizer you can get quite good scores with 5950X even at 88W PPT. I agree that they should have made higher cap possible, but you can get quite good scores at 88W and neg CO 🙂 If it's possible to lower soc, vddg, vddp etc you can free up aditional performance for cores aswell. 

Was active in the Clevo section with tuning etc, was sad to see NBR disappear, hope this will be the spiritual sucessor!

I see in some reviews it has adaptive sync, others says it doesn`t, the display supports it but there is not MUX-switch, however advanced optimus should support it, I guess it has asvanced optimus since it had a 30-series GPU? Anyone got it and can share their experience? Seems like the perfect notebook for me if it has adaptive sync since price is good and you can tune a lot in bios which I really like after having different Clevos for years (overclocking\tuning ram, undervolting CPU etc).