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Finally got my 2x32gb A-Die set stable. I actually ordered an EXPO 2x32gb set on Amazon, and they arrived, M-Die lol nope. Back they went without even opening the box. I went to MC and as they said they had 3x in stock, I got there and nothing, the guy checked everywhere for them. Defeated I came home and decided to just manually set the timings myself and viola, they finally worked, much better latency and I can run 6200 1:1. I have no yet attempted 6400 but will try that next. Honestly so far I am very, very happy with my jump. I love having both brands now. It's awesome. If AMD drops a 9950x3D with both CCX being 3D-Vcache, I'll be getting that. My wallet has been very upset with me lately lol. Especially after I picked up the brand new Noctua Gen 2 140mm fans. They finally released them and I am upgrading all of my terrible 140mm fans with these bad boys. Unfortunately for me, they're not cheap fans.

Thanks bro, I think I’ll try out my TG 2x24gb kit tomorrow.

Hey bud can you share you Zentimings for that? What kit are you using, is it an EXPO kit or XMP? 6000 2x32gb in 1:1 is still giving me a heck of a time to get it stable.

Welp I’m along for the ride on both platforms now lol. If I get 2 gens with X870E, it’s what I'm used to with Intel lol.

So far in my testing, the 9800X3D is just a ripper in many cases. A game like Hogwarts Legacy and running through Hogsmeade at 4K with full RT, my 9800X3D and and 4070 Super beat out my 285K and RTX 4090. Of course I used DLSS Ultra Performance due to the 4070 Super being grossly under powered compared to the 4090. Even then, the 4070 Super was a limiting factor and maxing out at times. To me that is just wild. At times it was like 20-30% FASTER. In other games, my 285K is faster, games like BF2042 are faster on the 285K from my testing. So it does depend on the game. There are some where the 9800X3D and it's cache are just unstoppable, no matter how much memory tuning or speed you have. If you watched the interview the other day with Intel's Robert Hallock, he was asked about Intel bringing an X3D competitor, and his smug smirk and "Not at this time" comment kinda tell you everything. It's coming, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's sort of a surprise product. Maybe not a 200 series Ultra product, but I would be shocked if we don't see it next gen.

Have to fully agree on power draw. Been testing this 9800X3D with PBO +200 and -15 C0 and in BF2042 and 1080p low for max fps, it's pulling 135-140w package with temps hitting 75-85c. That is a heater compared to my 24 core 285K chip that pulls the same power, nearly exact same power, and runs around 50-60c. The memes about Intel temps in this care are completely fabricated as I expected. Power does not equal core temps, it equals room temps. But unfortunately these tech dummies push this narrative that your chip is melting and will fry itself. The only chip near melting is my new 9800X3D lol. I'll have to see what I can do to improve the temps. On a side note, apparently there is now confirmation were getting Zen 6 on AM5 in late 2026 or early 2027. So that is awesome. I'm wondering if we won't get a Zen 5 refresh before that, that would be wild. Maybe improve the IMC. So far, I am glad I built the AM5 rig, I like the ability to test both brands and the chip is an absolute monster for punching out FPS in many games. Now I'm wondering do I swap it into my main rig? The idea of 8 cores as a daily driver makes me want repulsed lol. 2018 called, they want their 9900K back.

So my high latency is from the MCLK not being 1:1 with UCLK. It was running 1:2. Unfortunately this AM5 setup can’t run 1:1 with dual ranked it seems. That kinda sucks but not entirely unexpected as even Intel does 1:2. But the latency is about 20ns higher on AM5 compared to Intel. They do work at 6400 C32 1:2. I’ll see if I can drop that to C30 and then move on to single rank. I’m going to try out some 2x16gb A-Die sticks and see how high I can get them 1:1. Then some M-Dies.

Thanks brother will try that tonight. https://benchmark.unigine.com/leaderboards/superposition/1.x/720p-low/single-gpu/page-1 A largely forgotten benchmark but 720p low shows the CPU strength. Even with my terrible latency, I'm in 5th place with a 4070 Super FE lol. Hanging out with the 4090s on the leaderboard. Eye that first place price, I will get there once I swap in my 4090 and fix the latency.

Alrighty guys. I got the AM5 rig built and running yesterday. 9800X3D — SP113 Asus X870E Hero 6000 2x32gb GSkills C30 running at 6200. win11 24h2 26100.2161 Can’t figure out why my latency is so bad. It’s using the tuned timings and I’m at 75ns. That seems really high for tighter timings. What could I be missing? I thought AMD didn’t need tuning to get low latency? It was 80ns before tuning timings. Need some help since I’m not AMD proficient yet. @electrosoft

Im done comparing to tech tubers running dummy settings. I will have first hand knowledge. Not bought or sponsored by either brand. I really hope I don’t regret this purchase and AMD had better support this board with Zen 6. Its part of the reason I bought a high end board.

Took advantage of the Newegg trade in deal. $380 for my 14900KS SP105. Newegg has combo available for 9800X3D and X870E Hero for $999.99. I got free overnight shipping too. Grand total after my trade in was $619.99 + $62 tax. Not bad for a brand new 9800X3D and X870E Hero. O ya, it will be here tomorrow and saves me a trip to Microcenter.

Same. I am waiting on W890 lol. These new Xeons from Intel look like monsters, all P cores or all E cores. We need a new HEDT from Intel on that platform.

Nice! Congrats! How did you land on the MSI board?

My honest opinion is that if you have a good 14900K/KS, not having any stability issues, and don't care about power consumption and are not having any issues, stay on it unless you have money to burn and love tuning. At least for now. I will say that LGA 1700 is far more fickle compared to this platform. Arrow Lake is easily the most stable platform I've used in a long time. The IMC is a breeze, memory tuning is stupid easy. LGA 1700 you had to hunt to find a chip that could do above 8000-8200 truly stable, not on Arrow Lake. I was testing 9000 CL42 Gear 2 last night after I updated to yet again another new Microcode (0x112) and ME. Thankfully they are punching out more and more microcodes that continue to improve performance. And best of all, gaming performance went up yet again. There are still things that need to be worked out with Windows scheduling and their cancer OS. Core Isolation in many things are a massive hit on performance with Arrow Lake. It's truly disgusting what is being forced on peoples hardware. In the worst offender Cyberpunk 2077, I am now within 6% of my best 14900KS run. But in other games my 285K is easily beating my 14900KS. Sugi on OC.net is showing the same, with his 285K tuned up beating both 14th gen and a 7800X3D. There are games where it seems to fall down, but plenty of other games where the chip just screams. Sorry I don't rely on HWU or other mainstream tech tubers that don't bother to scratch deeper than the packaging the CPU is shipped in. I am going to keep my SP109 14900KS and APEX, and then dump the rest of my Z790 and chips. I am holding out hope that Bartlett Lake will come and I can build and test that for fun. Overall I really like Arrow Lake so far, the power consumption is excellent, the temps are low, and I think the platform will only improve over time. I've already seen latency tests below 60ns on OC.net. I personally believe Intel is going to bring Panther Lake to LGA 1851 next year and that will go up against the X3D chips and Zen6. The IMC is going to be back on the compute tile and that will have huge latency gains with the speeds we now have access to. At that point both Intel and AMD will be done and will both have to start fresh on new motherboards. I look at this gen for Intel as a rebuilding of sorts, and it's something that had to happen.

https://ibb.co/VBdv7db Stock 250/250 and 347a power and current limits. Pulls a max of 240w during this run. Not too shabby for a such a low power limit and only 24 threads. I might go direct die on this chip. Seems that EK Direct Die AIO is compatible with 1851 according to their website.