Mr. Fox

Scummy people that do scummy things. Like this... https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2025/01/the-great-google-ads-heist-criminals-ransack-advertiser-accounts-via-fake-google-ads

The X670E Gene is easy to get used to. Other than its mATX size handicap, it is a great AM5 motherboard. Probably the best one made to date. This makes me eager to snag an X870E Apex.

It's probably difficult to get an accurate SP rating because of how much more erratic the behavior is with Ryzen CPUs. Temperature does not affect SP rating on Intel, but the prediction in the lower right corner is 100% tied to temperature. The higher the cooler rating is the lower the voltage is. If you allow the ASUS AI to automatically monitor and adjust the cooler rating it can become a mess. To stop that you need to manually override and assign your own cooler rating. Looks like 5090 prices will be for wealthy fools that like to waste lots of money on grossly overpriced enthusiast parts that suck at overclocking. I bet that 5080 will end up being sold for 4090 scalper prices as well. It rises to the level of extreme dishonesty and demonstrates a lack of integrity, if not outright immorality, in my opinion. This is like getting screwed on steroids. They are cordially invited to dine on my feces. Hopefully they are OK with using a paper plate and disposable plastic spoon. One thing that could help stop the scalping is for AMD and NVIDIA to re-write their warranty terms so that there is no warranty whatsoever if a new GPU is purchased from a seller or retailer that is not pre-approved by AMD and NVIDIA and on their list of authorized distributors. It could be sold used and still have warranty, but only if the original purchase invoice is available to prove it was purchased from an authorized seller when new. Then all of the scalpers would have nothing to sell but parts with no warranty. They would be worth less and nobody would want them. The scalper would have to provide the original invoice showing it was purchased from an authorized seller, which would then draw attention to how badly they are screwing the people dumb enough to purchase their products. It would be instant death to scalping. (Next best thing to instant death of the scalpers.) I am glad I have two 4090s and a 3090 Ti I can ride until they die because they are still great GPUs and those new prices are unacceptable. If AMD doesn't jump on the "let's screw our customers" bandwagon, I can see a lot of people shopping for GPUs being fiscally responsible and settling for AMD even if they dislike Radeon cards. Better to settle for something inferior that is priced to value than getting sodomized on the price of a GeFarts card. Yup... it's what I call nuckingfutz. Appropriate imagery in Paul's intro. LOL.

Best Buy probably will not sell any online. You probably need to go to a Best Buy or Microcenter, arrive early and walk out with one if there are not too many ahead of you in line. Don't forget that Provantage and B&H Photo could be good options for online. I really cringe at the thought of an FE. You want an FE even though they are a multi-piece nightmare contraption. I bet it is going to run hot and loud with that cooler on it.

External appearance is sleek, yes. The main PCB+PCIe daughterboard and cable-connected I/O are laughably dumb and it looks like a real nightmare in my opinion. I think he said it best when it said to look at it as a workstation GPU.

Dufus is right again. I wonder if NVIDIA designed the 5090 FE in such an absurd manner deliberately so PC enthusiasts and gamers would avoid the FE?

No it doesn't. All you have to do is open your eyes and look at the mess you have in UK. I'll take this, warts and all, over that. I am not talking about the feminist "me too" movement that suggests any accusation made against a man by a woman should automatically be accepted as fact on face value. I am using "me too" to mean the silly notion that anyone that wants a platform is entitled to have one regardless of whether or not is it embraced as socially acceptable or rejected. Rival political parties are not "competition" and smart people work together to get things done. Division is not smart and nothing good gets done when niche locos become obsessed with their own interests and act as though they are hell-bent on ramming their agenda down everyone else's (usually the majority) throat. If the new parties brought massively popular ideas with broad support they would succeed. The reason they don't succeed is because they are usually small minority goofballs with loads of self-serving bad ideas that don't have enough support and don't need/deserve to have any place in governing the huge majority that doesn't accept their views. They need to fall in line and understand that they are a minority with ideas and values that are not acceptable to the majority. Not saying they can't have them just saying they can't have a platform to push universal acceptance, forced embracement or a demand for tolerance. For the record, both parties do not suck big-time. Extremists do suck, but those are the clowns that would fragment society with PR cells and expect a level playing field with equal weight for the lunatic fringe. Republicans and Democrats are all Americans and have more in common than what they disagree on. It is the extremists on both sides that are the problem. Extreme left un-American nutjobs on the Democrat side are exactly how and why Trump had such a sound victory. They do not represent what is normal for Democrat, Republican or American as a whole. They are psychotic. Smart people are paying attention and are fed up with the nonsense that has become the new normal on the whacky far left. Moderate Democrats (the huge majority of that party) don't want anything to do with the insane minority that has been allowed to hijack their party. Moderates represent the bulk of both parties. Trump is more moderate than I would like him to be, but that is why he got elected, with the help of Democrats, Republicans, Green Partiers, Libertarians and Tea Party. People are fed up with the idiocy and broke from party lines to elect someone they hope can right the ship like he did before. Tons of stuff got effed up in record-setting time during the past 4 years under the rule of lunatics. He is hated by the "progressive" extreme left because he represents what is normal, right and acceptable. They're losing their minds over the fact that Americans as a whole have rejected their dystopian quest to "fundamentally transform" America (into a third-world hell hole).

I'm glad we don't have that here and I hope we never do. The UK way of governing is undesirable and that is why America exists. The pilgrims left because it sucked. The more our government takes on traits that resemble that the worse things get. The "me too" mentality and expecting to gain public acceptance of individual preferences no matter what they are is really effed up. In fact, that anything goes, I'm OK/you're OK mentality is a fast track to self-destruction. Some things are not okay and we need to call the balls and strikes. People that don't like it can leave. Especially those that are here uninvited and without proper authority. They are trespassers that shouldn't have a voice in anything. They need to go home, or get rounded up and sent home. The days of tiny special interests demanding to be embraced and celebrated, or even financially funded in some ways, by everyone needs to end. That is, in great part, why things are so jacked up.

Lots of money for something that will be obsolete in a very short time, or displaced by a same-generation surprise SKU that suddenly moves your flagship GPU into the second fiddle chair. Not cool. Stepping up to pay for the best only to end up owning second best is no bueno. Maybe someday if Microcenter opens a Phoenix location where I can take back what I bought and apply the purchase price to an alternative.

LoL, I was thinking something similar but less humorous. Not only "no" but "heck no" ...putrid. NewEgg is now only offering $1350 for 4090 trade-ins and I don't think you can use trade-in to have in-store credit to use later. It has to be tied to a GPU purchase (literal trade-in) and the funds applied much like a post-sale partial refund or rebate after they receive and validate your trade-in. So, the idea of having the cash to pay for a X870E Apex from the previous trade-in credit doesn't look like it will work. As soon as 5090 releases I bet they will be offering only $800 or $1,000 trade-in value for a 4090.

Yeah, I can't wait to sell a 4090 at a loss and drop $2000+ (probably $2500-$3000 for A$$zeus) on a small upgrade. Sign me up. NOT.

Thanks. I think it was a great buy at $142 before tax. Plus, I have not owned a 1080 desktop GPU before, so I will get a few hardware points out of it. I'm thinking this would be a good candidate for the PTM7950 pad (rather than thermal paste) that I haven't used up yet. I think I already have all of the thermal pads needed as well. I installed the RX 590 in the computer I gave to my daughter's family and both of my teenage grand daughters are super happy. They are binge-playing DOOM, Fallout 4, Fortnight and Wolfenstein New Colossus. It was an affordable (under $100) upgrade to the Titan that was struggling to keep up. They actually could not even play Fallout 4 or Fortnight with the Titan Black due to low framerates and those games exiting to the desktop randomly. Now I need to decide if I want to sell the Gigabyte 4090 and use the 3090 Ti FTW3 in place of it or just have a spare GPU available if I need one. The Strix 1080 would be a great spare GPU to have handy if needed after it is repasted.

I got the GTX 1080 Strix. Works fine but BADLY in need of repaste. The original warranty sticker is still on the GPU screw so it is all original. It breached 100°C in less than 1 minute of Dyling Light and about 15 seconds in Fire Strike.

Whether the numbers support it or not, boasting that a third-fiddle product (5070) matches the performance of the prior generation flagship halo product (4090) is pretty silly. There would be no point in purchasing a 5070 to replace a 4090 for multiple reasons, but the most obvious one is you are wasting money and gaining nothing. Only a 5090 purchase makes sense if you own a 4090. 5080 would be a waste of money as well. Tiny improvement--probably not even enough to care about--for a lot of money. It seems pretty obvious that NVIDIA thinks most of their customers are stupid. And, a lot of them probably are.