Mr. Fox

💯old = reliable and stable / new = inconsistent and compromised

I wish MSI would get their firmware sorted. They've confirmed they know "per CCD" overclocking is broken, have released numerous beta BIOS updates, but have yet to fix it. The only way I can set the weaker CCD at a max stable clock and max out the stronger CCD is by using Windows software. I really hate that, and Ryzen Master is a crappy piece of rubbish. This function worked on the Taichi, but memory overclocking on the Taichi really sucked. The Safe Boot feature on the Carbon is also broken. Safe Boot will work on one BIOS version, then they'll break it on the next, then fix it again. As much as I hate A$$zeus I may have have to ignore what a sorry outfit they are and order a Gene from China and send the Carbon back to NewEgg before my holiday return window closes. I really like the Carbon, but don't know why they can't figure things out on the firmware. (These are things the PBO gamerboy sheeple would probably never know were broken.) https://hwbot.org/submission/5725591_

Intel mesh would likely see solild gains in the same way FCLK (Infinity fabric) overclocking helps on Ryzen. There is not a lot of information to be found online because overclocking is being slowly killed by retarded architectural trends and engineering defects. I always thought it was difficult to find good information for Intel non-HEDT overclocking, but it is far more difficult with AMD to find any useful info. There is less on HEDT to be found most likely because of the comparatively astronomical cost of the motherboards, CPUs and extra memory modules making the purchases of those parts cost prohibitive for overclocking enthusiasts. The only way to get into it without it costing an arm, leg, one eye and the soul of your first-born is to wait until the parts are obsolete/EOL products. EVGA Dark and Classified motherboardd included an option in the BIOS to disable the Intel ME and I always disabled it because it is totally worthless and unnecessary. It should be a standard BIOS feature on all motherboards, all price ranges. A side-benefit that some people care about is computers with Intel ME disabled are more secure. EVGA did, and ASUS does, provide an option to select micro-code versions in the BIOS on their enthusiast-tier consumer motherboards. I would hope the same should be applied on HEDT boards. If not, there should be. I do not remember seeing options to choose micro-code version in the BIOS prior to LGA-1700.

I am excited to see how much it drops your temps as well. It always has been unnecessary and a bad idea. ASUS is the worst about bundling it in the BIOS cancer updates rather than letting computer owners decide if they want the new ME cancer. It's stupefying and baffling that there are people that go out deliberately looking for ME updates to manually upgrade to the newest feces to slow down their computers.

I don't use it anyhow. No need for silly bloat like that IMHO. I felt the same way about GeFarts Experience and do not install it. There is nothing I can identify to suggest a good reason for me to install the new NVIDIA App or GeFarts Experience. I am very sad with the thought that the no-nonsense legacy NVIDIA Control Panel will be going away. It's going to suck having to install the App trash

Yes, they are totally legit. But, they are primarily a local storefront. Many things they sell are not available for shipping, and must be picked up in person. Much like MC only a whole lot smaller. One thing to be aware of, if you were not already... if your motherboard does not have Resizable Bar Support the Intel GPU may not work correctly. Intel's GPUs must have that functionality to work correctly. I do not know if your HEDT motherboard has that or not. Totally accurate. They are not a 24/7 e-tailer focused on internet sales, but I have found them pleasant to work with and I had no issues at all with the trash bin 14900KS I returned to them because it was rubbish.

Had Core Ultra included hyperthreading it is somewhat unlikely I would have purchased the 9950X. The lack of it was the nail in the coffin for 285K. It made the CPU a eunuch on face value. No testing necessary. Game over. It was as if Intel deliberately forfeited the match and simply handed AMD the win. Bastards. So, speaking of 9950X, @Raiderman CPU delid is done and it's ready to send it back home again. MSI released BIOS v1.A1G for the X870E Carbon. This platform was very sketchy using 24GB memory modules. I can now run my TeamGroup Xtreem 8200 48GB kit on it with the memory tuned at 8000 manually. It will boot 8400 and run 8200 with some minor errors that I could likely tune away if I wanted to waste an inordinate amount of time trying to. There is not a lot of difference between 8000 and 8200 or 8400 and 8600 on Intel. There is even less difference in those steps on AMD. It's kind of freaky how 8200 and 8000 are nearly identical on the 9950X. Read/write/copy and latency don't really change or improve with the higher clock, so I am probably not going to waste time trying to tune 8200.

That's odd. I have not experienced either of those issues and I use Zoom at work and it works fine. Did you get the out of GPU memory playing games? I don't play games a whole lot, but haven't run into that with COD or BF, Crysis titles, etc.

I mentioned a couple of times the PCIe quad NVMe card that I use in the bottom PCIe slot on the Carbon with no effect on the GPU, but could NOT use on the Taichi without the GPU falling to x8. So, Brother @cylix even if the Taichi were not an E-ATX, being able to use all 4 NVMe slots at the expense of forfeiting the viability of using the bottom x16 slot makes the Taichi is a horrible trade-off and that makes it an instant loser. (Nevermind the fact that it sucks at memory overclocking and has horrid memory latency compared to the Carbon.) The Carbon has 1xM.2 Gen5 above the GPU slot and 1xM.2 Gen 5 below the GPU. It has two more Gen4 M.2 slots, so four in total. If you use the M.2 slot under the GPU slot it will cut the GPU slot to x8. So, I leave that M.2 slot empty and use the bottom PCIe x16 slot with the Sabrent card (Quad NVMe) with no effect on the GPU. I give up one M.2 slot for the luxury of adding three move NVMe drives. So, I have seven NVMe drives in use on the Carbon and the GPU is still x16. This is what I use. I have one in the Z790 Apex as well. SABRENT 4-Drive NVMe M.2 SSD to PCIe 3.0 x4 Adapter Card [EC-P3X4]

I am finding X870E Carbon 1A1B Beta (from svet as MSI forum) is working as well as 1A14 or maybe a little better, but only if I leave PPT set to "Auto" instead of disabled. Disabling PPT seems to adversely affect memory training on AMD. It reduces latency on Intel. https://hwbot.org/submission/5717708_

Fanboys of any sort are hard to respect. I have a lot more respect for people that have no issues calling balls and strikes and are not afraid to tell someone their baby is ugly, as long as they give credit when it is due regardless of brand. There is a list of pros and cons for everything.

https://browser.geekbench.com/ai/v1/155172 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5716615_ 3DMark11 Physics Only (CPU) https://hwbot.org/submission/5716585_

That's interesting. I wonder why? Production issues? Or a NewEgg issue? Edit: It looks like a production (stock availability) issue for both Ryzen 9 CPUs and the 9800X3D. AMD has only the undesirable Ryzen 7 models and below available on their web store. The good CPU supply is gone. https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-cpu-wider-availability-next-quarter/

Always measure results, not marketing information. I am interested if the consistency (viscosity) is better and anticipate the cooling will be what it always is for liquid metal. Darn it, you caught me. I need to update the logo.