Mr. Fox

Now just is not a good time to spend money on computer stuff. Everything is a poor value, much of what is being sold is garbage and the desirable parts are either not available or marked up 50 to 100% more than their actual value, and marked up more than that with scalper scum. It is happening only because people buying at those crazy jacked up prices are cooperating and allowing themselves to get screwed. Everyone is in business to make money, but not all businesses are on a mission to screw everyone dumb enough to go along with their price gouging program. Businesses that take it up a notch or two and charge the maximum amount that stupid people are willing to pay do not deserve to remain in business. The world would be a better place without them and the stupid people they call customers. I could easily sell either of my 4090s for more than what I paid for them, but I wouldn't have enough money to buy something equal or better. I'd have to add more money or downgrade, or both add money and downgrade.

Did Microcenter have it priced correctly(under $800) or are they selling it for 5080 MSRP prices since everyone is selling 5080 for at or above 5090 MSRP price?

Looks like they are going to try to cram a 5070 Ti up everyone's tailpipes. It seems like an inordinately aggressive marketing campaign is playing out for something that isn't very special. For many that will be a big upgrade over whatever antiquated or under-spec'd low budget setup they are updating. But, it just feels kind of scummy that the middle-ground mediocre belly-button mama's boy GPU is sucking all of the air out of the room.

I think NVIDIA may be self-inflicting more damage than they might have ever imagined. AMD will gain market share selling inferior products that people will begin buying for no reason than they are sick and tired of being ripped off and scammed. I am even leaning that way now. I have hated every AMD video card that I have owned, but right now I feel like I hate NVIDIA as a company as much or more. I am skeptical that AMD will ever make a good GPU that I would genuinely like and be glad that I bought, but there is a decent chance that I will join millions of others in doing our tiny parts to contribute to the effort of bringing long-lasting financial harm to NVIDIA by purchasing an AMD video card next time. Whatever bad happens to NVIDIA will be a matter of their own devices and more than deserved. It won't have anything to do with AMD apart from being a 'not NVIDIA' GPU. Right place, right time. I honestly do not believe VR support would matter for Intel because it mostly does not matter to most people. Despite being pushed hard at gamers for a very long time, (for many years,) interest has never really taken off. This is a smaller niche and more of a novelty than even overclocking. Too many find it too expensive, unnecessary, inconvenient, and the participants look like dorks to anyone watching them use it. I am not being critical of it, just explaining why I do not believe it matters to most people in the grand scheme of things.

On top of the huge list of other reasons that need not even be mentioned, this unfortunate reality pretty much ruins the slightest chance that anything of special interest will ever surface. The overwhelming emphasis on producing petite, lightweight trashbooks is extremely repulsive to me. It's very unfortunate the industry have chosen to pursue form factors that more or less eliminate any opportunity for them to produce something that is even a little bit special by my measurements. Sad days for PC tech no matter what direction one looks.

Looks like you had some help from AI on the wording of your post. 🤣 It seems like that is happening to me more and more, and I'm not liking it even a little bit. I have actually watched Google change something I typed even though I have all that crap disabled. No, it does not matter and I do not find it desirable, but I was curious why it is priced about 1/3 less than normal. Something seems off with it being so much cheaper than normal. Hopefully it is coming from a trusted retailer and not a scam.

That seems cheaper than normal. Where did you find it that cheap? Isn't that like 1/3 less than typical for that model and spec? Usually $3K+ for that. Hardware, power and thermal limitations, and disposable soldered filth excluded, the biggest issue with laptops is horrible, locked-down firmware that leaves you with muted performance and no way of correcting the issues. The CPU will likely not deliver but about half the performance of what it is capable of and the memory will likely be sloppy loose timings, high latency and uncorrectable due to no tuning options.

I would recommend P5000. Unfortunately, it's not overclockable, but it has 16GB of VRAM. Mine plays BF2024, COD and other AAA titles just fine.

If you look at the price of leftover stock, refurbished and used, they have not normalized and obsolete products are priced at or above MSRP for the current generation equivalent. The price of the desirable models have increased over time. The only prices that seem to be falling are for e-waste GPUs that are too old and anemic to be taken seriously. I think the world as we know it is changing and the only rules that apply now are the ones that do not make sense.

Maybe they chose to be the high price king because they can't win by any other measurement .

Yup. I'm out. Not interested in throwing money away on a 5090 even if it was available at non-scalper grossly overvalued retail sucker prices. $100 more than what I paid for my Gigabutt 4090 is all any 5090 is worth to me, except for 5090 FE which should be $500 less than what I paid for that 4090 due to the defective 5090 FE design.

Maybe the word "repulsive." It really all depends on the accentuation and emphasis upon tone and pronunciation at the point of delivery. If done properly, a completely innocuous word that doesn't even make good sense in the context you use it can be hurled as a verbal assault, delivered in an insulting manner that sounds like the most vile and offensive filth that ever spewed from a person's lips. Examples: That note plucking bucket is a lime-scented candle-licker. She is just another caramelized acetone-tumbling skillet.

Nope. Did I expect for anyone to be smart about it, or for anything to make good sense? Nope. Some of the smartest people that I have ever seen become bat$hit crazy when graphics cards are involved. The A$$zeus tax seems to be an extra $350 no matter the model, price tag or performance tier. Now all brands have joined the party. It's called the "let's screw everyone dumb enough to let us" party. We're all invited to their nasty glory hole paper launches. They are using toilet paper instead of cardboard this time. It burns faster and produces less soot.

Good things come to those that wait... Being pulled back from the edge is always preferred to falling over the edge. Especially when it is such a long way to the bottom. Looks like the scalping nonsense is poised to strike with the sissy-boy 5070 Ti. If you want 5070 Ti pricing you'll need to wait for the baby-girl 5070 or 5060 launch. "We don't have any 5090 or 5080 to sell, but we will sell you a 5070 Ti for the 5080 price."