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MicroCenter has their Black Friday deals starting, and so far this is probably the best one I've found. $200 for the 5800X: https://www.microcenter.com/product/630284/amd-ryzen-7-5800x-vermeer-38ghz-8-core-am4-boxed-processor-heatsink-not-included The 5800X3D only has a $50 discount, and goes for $400. My take is AMD is trying to clear out inventory of most of the AM4 processors, but still views the 5800X3D as one they can make a lot of money on with upgrades. Which makes sense, for anyone who's already got AM4 it's an obvious upgrade path. But man... if I had an older Zen I'd probably go for the 5800X upgrade at half the price. They've got some other good options too. If you just need an AM4 system, $130 nets you a Ryzen 5 3600 with a free motherboard. 5700G (free heatsink octo-core, no GPU required) for $180. 12 core 5900X for $330. Unfortunately the AM5 deals aren't very impressive, $50 off a mobo with a 7700X or higher, but that's not nearly as good as the free DDR5 deal they had briefly in early October, and the processor discount is only one cent. There's some good ones in other categories too (anyone need a $99 11.6" laptop with Windows 10 Pro?), but I'll keep this thread focused on AM4/AM5 processors.