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  1. More images: Dell Precision M4800 Released Oct 2013 Max cpu: i7-4940MX Max ram: 32GB 1866 MHz GPU options from factory: NVIDIA Quadro K1100M (2 GB GDDR5) K2100M (2 GB GDDR5) AMD FirePro M5100 (2 GB GDDR5) Review: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Precision-M4800-Notebook.104416.0.html Owners manual: https://www.dell.com/support/manuals/en-us/precision-m4800-workstation/precm4800om/before-working-inside-your-computer?guid=guid-0fc4c1f0-96c6-48ac-87b1-f0f2b822ab9c&lang=en-us Dell Precision M4800 drivers: https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/product/precision-m4800-workstation/drivers Spare parts: https://www.parts-people.com/index.php?action=category&id=142&subid=457
  2. Hello, I wanted to share my success of upgrading an M4800's GPU to a Quadro T2000 I happened across a listing that was selling one for $180, which seems to be fairly cheap considering this is effectively an MXM A form factor GTX 1650. I was surprised it is offered in the MXM A size; as normally one would see a Quadro T1000 instead. This card is from I believe an HP Z2 Mini G5, and there is also a Quadro T1000 from the same machine, with the same non-standard board shape. More on that below. About The Card Not only is there a protrusion in the top right corner, it is slightly wider than a standard MXM A card by a couple mm. The back; unfortunately there are some SMD components blocking the "X" shaped attachment plate for the heatsink. I do not know how the heatsink attaches in the HP Z2 Mini; it must sit on some standoffs or something. Installation There are 3 concerns for installation: -The card being slightly wider -The top right protrusion -Components on the back blocking the possibility of an "X brace" heatsink attachment plate. Thankfully, nothing in the M4800's frame or screw posts blocks the card from being inserted. The only thing stopping it are the corners of the MXM slot intersecting with the T2000's wider body. The slot corners can easily be cut away with an exacto knife. This shouldn't pose much if any danger of damaging the MXM slot itself since you are just cutting plastic on a metal tab away from any of the connector pins. After cutting the corners of the slot, the card lowered down onto the screw posts. One should not worry about performing this permanent alteration; normal MXM cards will still slot in just fine after doing this. The next challenge is the corner protrusion. This doesn't cause any issue until you attempt to place the top bezel and keyboard back on. It turns out the speaker assembly would intersect with it. However, the part that intersects is just a hollow plastic chamber that can be cut away with an exacto knife without damaging the speaker itself. This may affect the sound quality but the sound quality was dire enough beforehand that I don't notice any meaningful difference. And lastly, the heatsink. Since there is no way to put the X-Brace on the back that the heatsink screws into, I had to use some nuts instead. Since there is no reinforcement on the back, I recommend avoiding tightening the 4 heatsink screws too tight. Also, you must install the heatsink before slotting in the GPU since you won't have much of a way to hold the nuts in place before screwing in. This means having to pull the whole motherboard out of the bottom case to insert the card, then putting it back. This isn't much extra work though, it's only a couple more screws than you already had out to get there in the first place. I had the Nvidia heatsink; it seems to be the correct distance for this card, I screwed the heatsink in without paste as a test and saw no daylight come through between the GPU die and the heatsink surface. VBIOS & Drivers I didn't need to touch the VBIOS. The laptop happily booted into Windows without any change (other than resetting CMOS) directly after putting in the T2000. The Nvidia installer would not detect the card. However, using Device Manager, selecting the GPU and selecting "Update Drivers" and then "Have Disk" and navigating to the Nvidia installer extraction folder and manually selecting the .inf worked. No changes were made to any .inf files. After a reboot Nvidia Control Panel was installed and the card was ready for running. Performance & Thermals On the desktop, the card idles at 43C, though I think Chrome was open with a good number of tabs. Here is Time Spy results, paired with i7-4900MQ: Conclusion The main downside is the card gets pretty hot at load, reaching 85C. After a few minutes of gaming, the M4800 will kick into maximum jet engine fan speed. It's not much of a wonder why, the card is rated as 60W TDP and the HP Z2 Mini's GPU heatsink is probably a good 2 or 3x the size of the GPU heatsink in the M4800. However, I did compare this thermal performance to my newer Precision 5540 that came with a T2000 built-in; and I noticed that laptop allows the GPU to go all the way up to 95C and thus the TimeSpy performance on that laptop throttled down to the 3100s. So, you might be able to get away with manually keeping your M4800 fans at Medium speed to keep the noise down at the cost of thermal throttling. It would be nice to be able to lower the power limit of the card to perhaps turn it into something akin to T2000 Max-Q, but unfortunately the VBIOS locks everything down, and MSI Afterburner cannot change any settings at all of this card. Therefore, the Quadro T1000 may be a better fit. I expect a T1000 from an HP Z2 Mini will work with all of the same steps as above, and stay below 70-75C according to a Youtube video I saw of someone putting a T1000 in his M4800. This HP T1000 may in the coming months be a far more accessible T1000 than the ADLINK ones that rarely pop up on Ebay. I did not test any external outputs; it is likely the GPU won't work in dedicated GPU mode. With Optimus mode, internal display works as you can see in the photos. This is quite a potent upgrade; games such as Doom Eternal run very well. This still isn't the end of the line for this laptop I suspect, as the RTX A2000 is being made in the MXM A form factor. In a few years those will probably be much more plentiful on the used market.
  3. Note — I am personally not recommending upgrades to Windows 11 at this time. I have some issues with how Microsoft is handling things which I will discuss in a future post. However, if you would like to upgrade then I will still do my best to offer support. The purpose of this thread is to discuss what is needed to get Windows 11 running on Precision mobile workstations, with an emphasis on systems released before 2018, which Microsoft is not officially supporting. Windows 11 was released on October 5, 2021. The launch is starting with new PCs releasing late in the year. Existing PCs won't be offered the upgrade through Windows Update right away; they will start offering it to new PCs only and broaden eligibility gradually through mid-2022. "Go-getters" are able to go and download the install media and perform an upgrade on their own at any time after the official launch. Windows 11 is a free upgrade over Windows 10, it is accepting old Windows product keys for activation going all the way back to Windows 7. Microsoft has posted system requirements for Windows 11. Most systems will easily meet these requirements, but there are two big ones which will be trouble for many users: * A "compatible 64-bit processor" means anything older than Intel's 8th generation is not supported. (Microsoft is supporting select 7th-gen CPUs on systems with all-DCH drivers, but that is not the case on Precision systems of that era.) * Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0. (You can check your TPM version by looking in Device Manager under "Security devices".) Which Precision mobile workstations are supported? Dell Precision workstations released in 2018 or later have 8th generation CPUs. That is Precision 3530, 5530, 7530, and 7730. These systems also have TPM 2.0. These models and any successor models should meet the requirements for Windows 11 easily. Dell has posted their own supported model list which aligns with this. https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/...ed-for-upgrade-to-windows-11#Precision-DT-W11 What about systems that do not meet the requirements? Microsoft would recommend that you do not attempt to install Windows 11 and stick with Windows 10, which will still receive security updates until October 14, 2025. CPU requirement There is no option to upgrade a system from an unsupported CPU to a supported CPU. A motherboard swap would be required, and while some systems can be upgraded one generation if the chassis is compatible, the first 8th-generation system (Precision 7X30) came with a chassis refresh. TPM requirement Precision XX10 and XX20 systems (2015-2017 release years) qualify for the TPM 2.0 firmware update. Older systems have TPM 1.2, going all of the way back to the Precision M65 (released in 2005). Microsoft previously noted in the requirements that the TPM 2.0 requirement is a "soft floor" and TPM 1.2 is the "hard floor"; however, this note has been removed. Validity of the system requirements This is my personal opinion here... You can take these requirements and throw them in the trash. Nearly all systems that can run Windows 10 will be able to run Windows 11 without issue. Microsoft posted a clarification on the requirements and the reason for setting the bar high for CPU and TPM support is for security, not for performance. They are also preferring newer systems which have DCH drivers for "reliability" reasons. At present, the TPM requirement has a trivial workaround and the CPU requirement is not enforced at all. I've been reading reports on users who have upgraded old systems and I haven't seen any major issues popping up. Systems with older CPUs or without TPM support will miss out on some security features (...which is already the case with Windows 10) but should otherwise be fully functional. Of course, these systems will remain "unsupported" by Microsoft, so there could be issues yet to be discovered that will go unfixed, or new issues that pop up later. So it's basically a "try it at your own risk" situation, but I think that the risk is pretty low. How to install or upgrade to Windows 11 Systems that meet the system requirements The preferred approach according to Microsoft would be to wait until Windows 11 is offered to your system via Windows Update, and upgrade at that time. However, you can upgrade early by downloading the installation media (ISO) and using that. Installation media can be downloaded here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11 Systems that do not meet the system requirements These systems will not see the Windows 11 upgrade offer through Windows Update, but upgrading using the installation media (ISO) is still possible. The installer will put up a warning about the system being unsupported that you must click through. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11 One thing mentioned in the warning is that unsupported systems may not be "entitled to updates". We'll find out on October 12 if the regular monthly cumulative patch is offered to systems with unsupported CPUs or not. I personally suspect that such unsupported systems will get monthly cumulative patches automatically, but not feature upgrades — those will have to be installed manually. Feature upgrades will be released yearly, in the fall. The installer will enforce TPM and Secure Boot requirements. TPM 1.2 seems to be accepted, so all Precision systems from the past 15+ years should be good there; just go enable it in the BIOS if necessary. Secure Boot is available on Precision systems released in 2012 and later (with Intel 3rd-gen CPU or better). You can bypass the compatibility checks if you need to. Microsoft has some documentation on it: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...ndows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e [Edit] Update 2022-05-17 It looks like Microsoft is making the TPM requirement more strict with Windows 11 version 22H2 (launching fall 2022). The bypass that they have previously documented does not work. Users who have upgraded systems that "do not meet the system requirements" may have to jump through hoops to upgrade to Windows 11 version 22H2 beyond just sticking a registry setting in and running the upgrade off of the Windows 11 22H2 ISO. Legacy NBR version of this thread — http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/dell-precision-windows-11-information.836379/
  4. I'm a believer in letting information flow to you, and not having to go and seek it out. In light of this... I'm scraping the Dell support/driver pages and using it to create an RSS feed. If you use a feed reader and one of these systems, you can use the feed to be informed of when new drivers drop. The feeds also include BIOS updates and some Dell software application updates. Right now I'm only grabbing drivers for Windows 10 and 11 (no Linux or older versions of Windows). If there are any other systems that you'd like to see a feed for, let me know and I will add it to the list. Dell Precision 12th gen / Alder Lake (2022) Precision 7770 • Precision 7670 11th gen / Tiger Lake (2021) Precision 7760 • Precision 7560 10th gen / Comet Lake (2020) Precision 7750 • Precision 7550 9th gen / Coffee Lake refresh (2019) Precision 7740 • Precision 7540 8th gen / Coffee Lake (2018) Precision 7730 • Precision 7530 7th gen / Kaby Lake (2017) Precision 7720 • Precision 7520 6th gen / Skylake (2015) Precision 7710 • Precision 7510 4th gen / Haswell (2013) Precision M6800 • Precision M4800 3rd gen / Ivy Bridge (2012) Precision M6700 • Precision M4700 2nd gen / Sandy Bridge (2011) Precision M6600 • Precision M4600
  5. If you come across any particularly interesting posts with technical details, part numbers, fixes, or how-tos, let me know and I will include them on this list. Many of these link back to the Notebook Review forum, which is going offline on January 31. I will change the links to point to the NBR Precision archive once I have it ready. Upcoming systems: Precision 7670 & Precision 7770 CPU — Intel Alder Lake HX (12th gen) – Intel 7 process, hybrid architecture, 8P + 8E cores, bump up to 55W TDP GPU — NVIDIA Ampere refresh – RTX A5500 with GA103S chip; 7,424 CUDA cores; 16GB vRAM; similar performance to GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Laptop GPU DDR5 (up to 128GB) PCIe4 support — Alder Lake S-BGA supports 36 lanes of PCIe4 (20 at CPU and 16 at PCH), so all NVMe slots in the system should be PCIe4 enabled Expected to be available to order in mid/late second quarter 2022; could be earlier, primarily depends on release timing of Alder Lake HX CPUs, which is currently unclear Pre-release discussion thread Driver / BIOS RSS feeds See: Dell driver RSS feeds General Windows tips for newer Precision systems Dell Precision / Windows 11 information Switching from RAID to AHCI/NVMe mode (same process can be used to return to RAID mode) Switching from AHCI/NVMe mode to RAID mode, if the Windows instance has never seen RAID mode before (...specific to 7X60, will need to be tweaked for other systems) Remapping keys to get dedicated Home/End, PgUp/PgDn Bluetooth fix Precision 7560 & Precision 7760 You can order Precision 7X60 with GeForce RTX 3080 GPU (might support 110W in Precision 7560?) (part numbers) Solving "disappearing drive issue" by keeping the PCIe4 drive slot switch pressed down Display panel and cable part numbers Precision thermals & performance Great interview with Dell thermal engineer Travis North, six parts: one | two | three | four | five | six Notes on disabling the CPU power/throttle limit in modern Precision systems: one | two Notes on undervolting CPU in modern Precision systems Discussion on undervolting GPU in modern Precision systems Insights on Precision allocation of PCIe lanes Explanation of (lack of) performance difference between NVIDIA 4000- and 5000-level GPUs Use 17" GPU vBIOS on 15"/16" GPU to raise the power limit Precision 7560 + NVIDIA RTX A4000 (110W -> 130W) GPU upgrades DGFF upgrades in Precision 7X30, 7X40 Notes on modding NVIDIA INF file Notes on signing a modded NVIDIA driver, so that "test mode" or "disable driver signature enforcement" is not needed Working Quadro P3000 / P4000 / P5000 vBIOS images for Precision M6700, M6800 Dell Precision M6800 / Quadro P5000 vBIOS flash Dell Precision M4800 + Quadro T2000 upgrade Dell Precision M6700 – Quadro M5000M (worked great for me), Quadro P5000 (not so much) Other upgrades Precision M6600-M6800 / M4600-M4800 – different fan types (Sunon, AVC, Delta) Using M.2/NGFF cards in Precision M6700 Precision M6700 45W CPU heatsink replacement Precision M6600 / M6700 IPS display upgrade guide
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