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If everyone would be smart and say eff ewe to companies selling $3400 5090s and $1200 9070 XTs there would be no companies selling $3400 5090s and $1200 9070 XTs. They'd be selling them for what they are actually worth and making a reasonable profit in the process. They have priced them based on how much an idiot is willing to pay for them. Too many people have issues exercising self-control, restraint and prudence. They are driven by their desires more than intelligence. They know this and they are exploting this flaw in their humanity.

Yes, Asus and MSI and PNY are chasing profit hard! So, original 4090 Strix= $2,000. And now the Astral is $3,359. It does seem just a little overkill. At least the Astral is the best 5090 though, unlike the Strix 4090 was, they were pretty lackluster. And Asus is pumping them out too everyone is buying an Astral it seems like. But Nvidia is no better lol. 😂 think about the RTX PRO 6000. That GPU cost roughly the same to make as 5090FE, but they can wholesale crates of them for 5-6K each and Nvidia is still making so much more money than 5090FE could ever dream of, and it’s really the same money to make one, same die. Only slightly different bios. So I think that’s why the 5090FE is a rare bird, the 5090FE sales are like Nvidias charity work on the side, (We can’t give it all away) Much easier to get a RTX Pro 6000@MSRP too. No one can scalp these 🤣 We can’t exactly scalp a $8,000 dollar GPU. Which is kinda smart I suppose. Resellers are motivated to move these units at like $7K-8K range. Which makes me think lots of profit and wiggle room on these. AIB’s need to cool it down though. They are following Nvidia foot steps too hard.

I think FE pricing was similar to AIB pricing though. 4090FE= $1600 4090 Gaming Trio $1650 I don’t know what happen to AIB pricing scale. MSI Gaming Trio was +$50 more than FE. And now MSI Gaming Trio is +$1350 more than FE. ^ This is all whacked out. I really wonder how they go from +50 dollars to +1350 dollars more. That cannot be tariffs. I think it’s BS. I think AIB’s are really thirsty like Nvidia has been for years.. I know Nvidia is slinging the RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell 96GB GPU at insane profit levels. It’s a 5090 die through and through. But, it cost $8,200 dollars. That is a big profit for Nvidia. They even had an artificial limit at 5090 launch day. And that’s where all the dies went to (Into RTX Pro 6000 lol)

The jump from the 3090 to the 4090 was an anomaly overall. It was just massive. Expecting that again was unrealistic jumping from the 4090 to the 5090. The jump down the entire 4000 stack was pretty substantial but a lot of that was the AI market hadn't fully kicked off AND AMD had seriously threatened Nvidia with their 6000 series. Now? AMD is zero competition at the top. I mean not even in the same ballpark. 9070xt is a damn good card, but in the end it's main competition is the 5070ti with sporadic trips against the 5080. Pricing is a farce even with AMD and "discounts" at launch that then go again. They never made their own reference card this cycle so there is zero "real" pricing anchors and the real price of the 9070xt is $700+ with the cheapest model being the Steel Legend at $699.99. Overall, with the 5090, we got a decent little bump over the 4090 and a savage 25% price increase at the least. Can't reach into the proverbial ether and keep pushing old generation to generation uplift percentages as the baseline for classifying cards..... In the end, are the 5000 variants more powerful than their 4000 variants? Yes. Are some of them even cheaper than their previous counterparts? Yes again. Do I like posing questions to answer them online? Once again, yes.... I wholeheartedly agree though we're not getting the same performance jump as before and Nvidia's priorities are elsewhere but to assume you're going to get the same generation over generation leap as before then applying that model to reclassify the card tier is a digital strawman at its best. I still think there's some value in the lower part of the green goblin's stack as prices stayed the same or went down along with performance bumps, but no one is doing backflips over it. It's very ho hum. I'm thinking of the average gamer. If you're holding onto a 2000 or even 3000 series class card, you can get a very uplift in performance for equal or less than last gen pricing. Everything else is spot on in your response and then some.

I never think in terms of FE pricing because I have no interest in FE cards, and especially not the current design with the fragmented components connected by ribbon cables. That is totally unacceptable to me. So I do not think it is accurate to say the 5090 is $400 more than 4090 when you look to the AIB options. That is also not a great comparison because nobody manufactures 4090 anymore. I think if they did, and it was priced to value the 5090 would not sell well because it is not priced to value. Everything else in the Green Goblin's product stack is a piece of trash, but still grossly overpriced and a poor value. NVIDIA has everything so stinking effed up with the GPU market right now that I don't believe that it will ever be capable of returning to normal. They are anti-competitive, deceptive and maniplulative and they sell products that reflect that mindset on top of being grossly overpriced or a poor value. Being better than the alternative is not good enough because of their disposition. You are right to question whether anything is ever good enough. I think that is very much the case and that's where I am, especially with video cards. Nothing is ever good enough for PC enthusiasts and overclockers because of the degree of nonsense with control and manipulation. NVIDIA has created this problem by deliberately screwing us all and being bold about it. Their behavior has adversely affected everyone, including those that do not purchase NVIDIA products. To be clear, I do not like AMD. I don't like how they do things. Most of what they do is a little bit goofy and often not the best approach. However, they have become the lesser of evils. NVIDIA and Intel are capable of being better than what they have become and should be held accountable for bad decisions. AMD is the best they have ever been and seem to be putting forth the effort to do their best. Sometimes doing your best isn't enough, you have to do what is required. NVIDIA isn't doing their best or what is required. They are screwing everyone and are not even ashamed of themselves. As much as I miss EVGA and wish they hadn't thrown in the towel, I think they were smart to do so. Nobody wins when NVIDIA is involved. They realized that before anyone else did. I think the only way this will get fixed is for NVIDIA to end up losing massive market share and ending up on the brink of bankruptcy before they will pull their head out.

I like to think about the 4090 compared to the 4080. My experience was a substantial upgrade very nice boost in games. Everyone with/without a 4090 talked about it, and thought it was +$400 more well spent going for the $1,599 dollar 4090. Now consider the 5090 is also +$400 more than 4090 but an even larger upgrade than that was. I’m beginning to seriously question if anything is ever good enough for me or most people. When we all had 3090’s, and the 4090 came out, we complained because the 4090 was too damn good. It was so fast with frame Gen it made the 3090 instantly obsolete (Nvidia was no friend to us gamers because our 3090 is obsolete now) But now the 4090 owners complain because that didn’t happen again. I don’t think we can ever truly be happy with high end hardware no matter the product they give us. I really don’t think any company or product can fit the bill for what we actually want that would make everyone happy and sing praise lol. All we can do is waste our money, convince ourselves into buying the GPU, then we sing our praises about the things that are true.

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Hallelujah!! Best news I have heard in a long time! Thanks for letting me know, Brother John. 9070 XT has frame generation and it's much better than prior generations of RDNA. Same for ray tracing. NVIDIA needs to be minding their P's and Q's or they're going to find themselves in the same kind of trouble Intel did. Being asleep at the wheel isn't going to work out as well for NVIDIA as it has for a long time.

Funnily enough, if one buys Lossless Scaling for $7, you can get MFG on any GPU. You can even use the program to bring back the days of SLI/Crossfire with it's dual GPU mode! The software suites locked behind either Nvidia's or AMD's products do not add any value to their products. They're technologies that should and can work on any GPU, proven by this nifty little program. Supposedly Lossless Scaling frame gen also runs better on an AMD card than a Nvidia one. I don't know if that's completely true, but that's what I've heard. It makes sense given AMD cards typically have very good theoretical compute capabilities.

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And I'm sure they won't reduce prices if the GPU tariff won't be as high as some think.... And not so sure the US governments is so keen make PC's, laptops and important computer parts being so expensive a few weeks before the school year start in the United States. And we all know +95% of needed tech is made in Asia. Even 10% tariff will be felt very well when the school year opens. Or maybe the US Government want that you all should buy cheap Chromebooks/tablets for the school opening? Maybe go back to pen and paper evn in the higher leven schools? If that happens, you can be sure that education in the US will fall further behind countries like etc. China. Bad enough as it is. I doub't we will se an massive price hike due stupid high tariffs right before the school start up this summer. But Nvidia and AIBs... They will do whatever they can to max out profits. And you don't need flagship graphics cards for School work... So. GPU Manufacturers Are Rushing NVIDIA GPU Production To Bring Them To The US Prior To The July 9 Well, companies are fond of leveraging desperate times in order to increase profit margins, and in the case of AIBs, well, they would likely wait for the July 9th deadline to pass before releasing market inventory. This would allow them to bump up prices in case a trade agreement isn't reached, and then ultimately, drive up the prices. See bolded text.

It depends on the model as always. 4090 = $1600 4090 Strix = $2000 So a 25% markup for Asus. Of course they then went bonkers with the Astral but the original launch price was $2799 = 40% mark up. A lot of this has to do with Nvidia reducing margins even more and forcing AIBs to buy the entire GPU/mem package on top of everything. At launch, there were several $1999 AIB models from Gigabyte and PNY and even the next tier up was $2200-2400. IMHO, the inflation is more greed + supply/demand than tariffs but tariffs were a convenient cover to quietly raise prices even more. Supply is really equalizing now. Prices are falling in other countries and PNY has marked down their stupidly inflated 5090's on Microcenter from $3300 and $3500 down to $2999. I expect card prices to slowly creep back down even in the face of "tariffs." In other words, tariffs are definitely real and valid, but why is it every other sector has been barely affected by them in the computer parts? SSDs are still cheap and memory prices are falling. Motherboards remained about the same (IE, still overpriced but static) and CPU prices are either the same from last year or have fallen. Case prices have gone up though but nothing as insulting as the 5090 mark ups. 5090 pricing is a pure money grab from AIBs while demand is outlandish. I refuse to play the game anymore at this point. Even the 5090FE is stupidly overpriced. The other inflated pricing just gets even more insulting. A lot of this factored into my returning that $3600 astral. Remember on launch I had 3 5090's Queued up at B&H and they were all $2200 or below along with queuing up for a 5080FE and 5090FE. That quickly went to bust.

Yeah, AIB pricing is all jacked up. Real bad. I think in the end they are hurting themselves. There will always people that are idiots with money that have no limits on what they are willing to spend to have what they want. But, even the most idiotic person can reach a point of recognizing when they are being screwed. I don't mind paying 25% more if I get at least 25% more.

I wonder how bad the real 5050 will be when the 5060 is in reality an mediocre 5050 class graphics card. So an new released 5050 aka xx30 tier card for your pc monitor setup and not much more. Then why not instead go with an processor with iGPU? The real 5050 will be a waste of sand and should never be made. Or waste of money for the consumers. Put in what's fits. The Real Nvidia GPU Lineup: GeForce RTX 5060 is Actually a Mediocre 5050 Btw. The newest tech in Papusan's plaza😀 Se bolded text.... This affects other models as well. What used to cost $350 to $400 (inflation-adjusted) now costs $550, and you're not even getting as much as you used to. GPUs that once sold for $500 to $600 prior to 2020 are now $1,000. Everything has gone up by 40% to 50% on top of overall inflation. So why is the GeForce lineup suffering from such significant shrinkflation? Why are consumers getting less value now than ever? An obvious answer is simple: new unlimited demand for AI GPUs and profit.

@giltheone Hello Thank you for the comment, I see you have been struggling a little bit, before I do any update on the Bios I always have a plan B, I do a full dump of the BIOS with a EEPROM PROGRAMMER, I only forgot the EC chip, I didn’t check if is a programmable chip or not or if is embedded onto the BIOS itself, I haven’t touched any further on this BIOS, but I did once on a ALIENWARE 17 R1 (Ami BIOS too on asus Laptops) which has the same H02 Bios (Insyde), they were separated the BIOS and EC chip. I always dump my BIOS directly from the chip, I am not good making dumps from FTPW64 or any other 3rd application, sometimes they are not so easy to operate or not available to the public or not even compatible, so for safer and faster backup I dump it directly from the chip, it has always worked for me so far. (I got the clamp and many other tools to help me connect directly, is very cheap) in this case I had to solder it directly. By the way I did update the BIOS of my laptop from XMG vendor using their files, it has been a while ago, I think you got to make a bootable drive. All the files are there, I think they haven’t take down yet. So going back to each BIOS update from different brands, I can’t tell you 100% how each of them does it, but I know that (correct me if I am wrong) EFI files must be a part of the BIOS, is not the whole BIOS, so just the necessary bits are replaced and like in the Alienware website they say you can upgrade or downgrade your BIOS at will (I don’t know how is it for AEON17X Laptops on their website if you can revert any updates). Like one time I wanted to update my ALIENWARE and I couldn't update it through the application because of some WINDOWS or UEFI protection so I took some tools like EFI64 or AMITOOL or one of those and search what files were different in each section of the BIOS and just replaced it directly with a HEXEditor, there is a Insyde tool, I used to check from there the EFI files what content or section were been replaced and recreated my on updated dump and then later reprogrammed the whole BIOS onto the chip if didnt work I could just flash back the original dump. I think XMG BIOS are actually a full BIOS, is not just an update. I really have to check again in my laptop as I have heard they have changed the BIOS structure. So I think you just can’t use your vendors laptop BIOS update and just revert to the original BIOS you had before. That’s why is important you keep that Bios dump you have managed to back up. I do have the whole dump of my Laptop from ORIGIN if you want to check it out or keep a copy. BIOS: 1.07.08.OBTOPC KBC/EC: 1.07.04 ME FW: 15.0.23.1706. Now I think the ME is within the BIOS. KBC/EC is separate from the BIOS, in some certain laptops they are within the BIOS. I can tell you that so far XMG bios is pretty stable, when I started doing some overclocking or doing some heavy stuff with the original Bios I had a couple of crashes and shutdowns, I heard from some other comments that is a problem ralated to EC sensors that weren’t well programmed, so I guess XMG team fixed those issues and who knows who others already did it, but I haven’t check it out. I hope you can find your answer, I am sorry I can can’t explain well enough all the technical and programming stuff. All the Best.

I wonder how the 5070FE with MFG compares to 9070XT though. This seems like a feature I’d want. People pick on it, but It is a great feature. Going from 60 real frames to 240 fake frames looks and feels so much smoother.

The Dragonized edition comes with a bunch of pre-installed emus covering every need. I guess, that every edition of Garuda will be easy to use with emus. I have already great experience with Steam and Lutris.

It makes a big difference now if you have Lossless Scaling. You can use one GPU for rendering the game and then a second GPU for frame gen. It's awesome, and is the best $7 I ever spent on any software. We're bringing back the days of SLI and Crossfire with this nifty little program!