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@Mr. Fox Not sure if you know this but..... The Best Computer Store in Phoenix, AZ The Wait Is Almost Over – Micro Center Grand Opening Coming in 2025! Micro Center is coming to Phoenix with over 25,000 items in stock and the industry’s best customer service. Phoenix, get ready to experience Tech Heaven for yourself—stay tuned for opening details! https://www.microcenter.com/site/stores/phoenix.aspx You might be able to rent that 5090 yet!!

Maybe better have a nap😁 Not all average Joe see it this way. If the PC cost above $1000 then it has to be good. And don't expect everyone know the difference between 8 and 16GB vram. You shouldn't give so much credit to humanity. Even stupids can be great people. Sad seeing they become screwed. See bolded text.

Why? Because.... 1. MSRP. 2. I like the look/form factor of the FE series. 3. Price:performance it is actually one of the best (if not the best with 9070/xt temporary launch pricing now a thing of the past) just like the 4070 was retail pricing which I pointed out back during ada. Of course the above is no longer true because the temporary introductory prices of the 9070 and 9070xt no longer exist and the MSRP is now higher while the 5070 FE has remained the same. People seem to get stuck on the whole VRAM issue. I am one of the few who thinks the whole 8gb fiasco is blown out of proportion and an 8GB card is ok depending on your use case. I also think 10GB and 12GB is just fine too. I watched the reviews of the 5060 and 5060ti and went, "Ya know, it's not that bad at all..." Same for the 9060xt w/ 8GB of VRAM. Moving that 3Dvcache underneath the CCD has made a major difference. Once they slap it on both and improve their interconnects even more, it will be near perfect. Oh, and go ahead and offer a dual binned variant and call it "Extreme Edition" if you want ala Intel style and charge a touch more and I'm there for it.

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I share similar sentiments regarding the 8GB VRAM from an abstract stance, that being said the people who most likely need to be the ones checking in advance as to if that should be a concern are also the most likely to never consider it in the first place. I can think of a litany of uses for 8GB VRAM, but at 24GB Im not thinking of use cases anymore.

ah yes please, id like to have one of those 😄 RTX 5090 with higher vRAM by Nvidia themselves...it better be a 5090 Ti or Titan Blackwell! btw guys, cmon now, we dont really need to be defending 8GB cards in 2025....dont come up with artificial use cases here, just vote with ur wallet and let them die out already.

Most people buy prebuilt systems and keep them 4-5 years. And up to $2000 for the whole systems and with 8GB vram cards in 2025 ain't nice. Rather ugly. Even $1200-1400 systems with this type of scam ain't pretty. But that's me. I don't like being scammed. I rather pay a bit more or buy used than support this form of tech degradation... And this ain't pretty. Form over function....

I mean I *DO* have options now lol. I must reiterate, first thing is my room really does no longer turn into a sauna even with the 9070xt running at full tilt. World of difference between ~550-600w vs 330w pumping into my space which is what WoW pulls when doing anything not player heavy. Door open, ceiling fan going and sporadic AC wasn't enough to overcome the 5090. Even if I eventually pick up a 5090FE, I still have almost an additional $1500 to play with differential at my disposal, but as each moment passes, I am zoning in on that $2132.48 price tag after taxes more and more while this $667 9070xt (total cost of ownership) is really holding down well enough in the here and now for Fallout 76 and especially WoW at 4k. And I am the type who can pick a 5090FE up, look at it lovingly in my hands and go, "I know you are a mediocre card compared to most if not all the other 5090 AIBs out there for overclocking and air cooling, but gosh darn if ya aint the cheapest, smallest and prettiest of all them dang cards! Now get yer keister in this here SFF!" 🤣

I wonder how the 5070FE with MFG compares to 9070XT though. This seems like a feature I’d want. People pick on it, but It is a great feature. Going from 60 real frames to 240 fake frames looks and feels so much smoother.

Ignorance has consequences. Punchline: "nvidia is just too busy drowning in money and Michelin star cunnilingus to care about making a good product at this point in fact it's in their financial interest to make a product that consumers don't want to buy at this point so that they can reallocate all that wafer space to AI chips they can sell for 10 times the price so with that all I have to say is Nvidia has been dragging their balls in our face for way too long and don't get me wrong I love balls in my face as much as the next person but for 4 years it's getting real stanky and gross please please Nvidia stop"

Retailers will alway benefit from the ignorance of consumers. Those with the least knowledge are some of their best customers. They buy the garbage that people in the know will not, and because they do there is a market for it. Sadly, they are not in the minority.

Adjust settings, play the game....isn't that how we've always done it? No one is being scammed unless they do not list the VRAM somewhere in the specs. If they aren't listing it at all, then sure. But if it is listed, isn't that consumer choice? Pick the card that fits your needs. Watching Daniel show the prebuilts, you can clearly see it shows the GPU has 8GB of VRAM. Nephew uses a 6GB A380 and is loving it. Wife uses a 6GB 3050 on her laptop and is loving it. Both running 1080p screens/panels.I remember all the doom and gloom when hogwarts dropped, but I set up a 12500 + 3070ti 8GB system for my daughter and she played it at 4k and loved it. My brother is rocking a 5600x + 1650 4GB and his wife's nephews rock out on fortnite every chance they get and guess what? Loving it.... More is better obviously but sheesh. We watch these YTers push settings that will cause the buffers to fill up and cry wolf. Meanwhile, everybody else is just adjusting their settings or letting the game pick the settings best suited for their card and playing..... I do agree with Daniel Owens though.... ----- As for the 5090FE, I absolutely agree. Like I said, clearly price, form factor and aesthetics is its strong point, but if you pop it in and just use it, it works fine. Runs warm, but works fine. You won't really be competing in the upper level overclocking with it, the fans are never truly silent 24/7 and those fans will definitely go to work under load but It is also $2k and at least $640 cheaper than the next 5090 available (at least here in the states) which is the Windforce and $1359 cheaper than the Astral. For me, that is $1450 difference after tax / cash back for both. But you pay for what you want and if you want the best or a card not locked down or a larger selection of blocks or can run on air and still OC and perform very well, the FE is not for you. If any of this criteria is important to you, you run away away from the FE as fast as you can. ----------------------------------------------- Anecdotal further cost analysis for WoW: Stock for stock, the 5090 is 77% faster than the 9070xt in WoW (105fps vs 186fps) when not CPU bound but over 3x as much compared to even the FE or 5x as much compared to the Astral. 5080 FE is 23% faster than the 9070xt but 52% more expensive. Irony? All three suffer from GPU utilization drops with lots of player data at 4k, but the 9070xt handles it better overall. Overclocked, the Astral was ~96% faster (210fps vs 107fps) than the 9070xt overclocked when unhindered by the CPU gasping for breath at 4k. That's just bonkers in the best way......

Hello everyone Just a new update, I free the CPU from its limitations to test how good it was the new modified watercooling, I guess is not throttling at anything but I think it didn't change much. Feels something is holding it back or is just my imagination. There is not thermal limits. - Undervolted -90.8 mV - SPEED Shift EPP= 0 - C states= disable - Prohot= disable - Clock mod= 100% - Turbo Time = Max - PL1 = 1029w - PL2 = 1029 w - Turbo Ratios Limit = Max out - Overclock = Check - Ring Down Bin = check >>>>??? Under this settings I got 15456 points on cinebench with temps ranging between 85c~ to 95c Max. Drew 200watts max.

Why the 5070 ? Maybe the worst SKU in nvidias's lineup. I know you won't keep it but support Nvidia this way ain't very productive.

X170KM-G WATERCOOLING MOD I stumble on the internet with this Forum and found a lot tips and help to build my own Clevo X170KM-G. I just wanted to share my own experiences as well, I will try to make it short. Bought the X170KM body case from ORIGIN with its motherboard for a very good price. I had to slowly get the rest of the parts. I like these type of laptop where every part can be remove or swap, gives you a lot room for improvement. I thought a lot on doing overcloak since the CPU was capable of, obviously I also had to upgrade the Cooling system. I had in mind the one in Aliexpress but after watching some comments I opted to make my own. It was too expensive and not so reliable. I made various sketches and pipe routes to get the best outcome and thermal contact. For test I had an extra heatsink. Bough normal copper pipes from a hardware store instead of the already self made pipe from Ali, those were a bit smaller for my likes (4mm (O.D.)X 3mm (I.D.)) I got something similar as my own laptop. 5mm by 4mm for More area covering. First water cooler was fine I could score 15265 points on Cinebench multicore and had 90c ~95c around, drawing 180w ~ 190w. And 83c on GPU scoring 6976 points on Superposition (stock, couldn’t make any proper overcloak I am still new on that area) I also delided my CPU (11900k) but didn’t got any better cooling performance, was poor, still I didn’t know what was wrong (on idling was hitting 40c ~50c, it wasn’t like that before on the stock heatsink but the watercooler performed well enough). I wasn’t satisfied about the first cooler and decided to add an extra pipe, thought it throughly, could had 2 intake and 2 exits but it wouldn’t be so practical and esthetic wise, so had to be inside with some kind of joint. On the making of the 2nd watercooler I had to practice a lot soldering with torch, I couldn’t find any “Y” joint that would fit on the pipes, those were bigger. After couple of days I manage to solder it properly (note: with solder iron is also good, very strong but it could desolder when soldering back to the heatsink, soldering onto the heatsink you really need a lot of heat 400c about and heater plate + a heat gun, the heatsink does suck a lot heat). I made all the necessary measurements and bending and flattened the whole pipe, step by step, everything had to be done in order. I didn’t have good tools but good enough to do the job. So when all was done I test it for water pressure and flow, it check out to be good, zero leakage, so time to solder it onto the heatsink. Every step was complex, I didn’t expect to runout of solder paste (low type 138c) but I manage to cover all the pipe underneath and add extra on the side, still wanted to add more, since I don’t have much time I had to do it that way. Had to expend about one week 4 hours per day, no everyday I could work on it. I also wanted to paint it as I did but not this time, looks like this heat proof paint doesn’t adhere well on copper, so just raw watercooler. Prior making the 2nd watercooler when I was removing I did realize that the CPU and GPU wasn’t getting proper contact as the stock one, had like 1mm of gap, the thermal paste was not spreading well on the edges. So fixing that gap gave me the normal temps on iddle, about 30c. After mounting the heatsink on the laptop I was surprise that I got extra -10c to -15c on CPU and -30c on GPU. I believe the CPU could still perform better if I apply more solder, the top of the CPU area which is not flat unlike the GPU, Is all pipes. I just run the normal profile as the 1st watercooler to see the differences: - CPU did perform better on temps 80c~85c, on the scores was nearly the same, (as I did mention I didn’t change the overcloaking profile.) - The GPU performed a bit better and had very low temps on Superposition Benchmark. Score: 7691, temps: about 56c max. Well so for now I am leaving it as it is after I reorder the solder paste, I am also looking to solve the fan issue, it does start slow on high temps, I wish it could be programable to start early and gradually increasing speed. Some 3rd party fan software mentioned in the forum didn’t help me yet. Cannot identify all the fans. Maybe I am not so familiar yet. Note: I did use thermal Grizzly Liquid Metal for the delided CPU and MX6 thermal Paste on top, AAIRHUT thermal pads on the rest. I also made a 2nd watercooler because the bottom cover wasn’t closing properly, I didn’t foresee it was too long. XD the rear RBG light couldn’t fit in. I did upgrade the BIOS AND EC from XMG, was more stable, no crashes. Thank you for all the precious information. (removed single pipe cooler) (Pressing softly no to bed the copper underneath, preheating the heatsink) (I always used a thermometer to control the heat, I worried about the pipes bursting, but they are pretty good at cooling, even at 400c the heatsink was about 90c, the solder never melted properly even with heat gun and solder iron. (3 solder device at once). (Water test and pressure) (Delided CPU, first watercooler setup) (Freezemod pump with speed regulator, ThermalTake T1000 water cooler) (2nd watercooler - the bottom cover close properly now) (Benchmark and temps: to the left single water pipe cooler, to the right double pipe.) (First watercooler finishing) [Please know that everything was done in a controlled environment to avoid self harm. ]

I'd like just the display itself to take along with a laptop or SFF. They can yank all the other stuff out of it.

Nvidia is ready to help China with "cheaper" graphics cards for AI workloads. If you aren't alloved to sell higher tier graphics cards... What is better than offer them needed parts for DIY ? If they can offer the GB202 silicon and vram IC's much is done. And probably more difficult to track where it lands. Just use shell companies or/and their AIB partners around the China region. 48GB 5090's is incoming. But not for everyone. Jensen Huang will do everything for China. Even go outside the US ban for higher profits Samsung GDDR7 3GB modules now available for DIY purchase in China, RTX 5090 48GB mods incoming? In China, Samsung’s new K4VCF325ZC-SC28 24Gb memory is now on sale. Potential customers apparently need to buy at least ve modules to get free shipping, and each module costs around 10 USD.