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Given my amazing results with liquid metal on the CPU in my other systems, I decided to go ahead and repaste my Alienware 17 R1 with liquid metal. Man, it runs even better than it did when new! As predicted, it significantly increased my thermal headroom, which increased my indefinite sustained power envelope from 55w to greater than 75w. I haven't tried pushing it yet, so I don't know the actual limit yet, but this is exciting. Having the Chichen upgraded heatsinks for this laptop also helps a lot. Perhaps I can beat my previous winter benchmarks at 4.1 GHz all core and do that during the summer now, plus more. It's crazy that a 13 year old laptop is still useful for a lot of things even today. Backstory: since my memory requirements have increased due to my development workflow, I needed more RAM but didn't want to buy any, so I opted to instead reuse old hardware, and thus bring my Alien back into daily service. I'm offloading lighter tasks to it that I know it can handle, as ultimately I needed to unload web browsing from my desktop onto my Alien instead, freeing up 12+ GB of RAM for making builds of the games I develop (yeah I have lots of tabs open). Easy reuse of the 32 GB of RAM in my Alien. I think it enjoys being out of retirement. I missed it too.

Interesting how nobody has replied to this thread yet. My guess at first was gonna be a battery malfunction, but from your description in the last 3 posts, it looks like the battery is good. I can think of 2 things off the top of my head. Either the paste job on your laptop sucks, or there's something wrong with the power delivery on the motherboard. Possibly, the VRMs are overheating even if neither the CPU or GPU are.

They're both on this forum. They tend to spend their time in the official benchmark thread here:

When you upgraded your SM-G to the 3080, did you have to perform any special steps to get it working? (Aside from the usual INF modding that is). My machine came with Premamod when I bought it, so I'm guessing that makes the 3080 pretty much plug and play from there.

Interesting. Yeah their website is still up, but I see no more products for sale. Weird.

Thank you, I really appreciate that. I will happily pay for the shipping. I haven't tried contacting Rockitcool yet as I've hear they've gone out of business, but it never hurts to try. I'll try messaging them. Also thanks for the heatsink link. I almost bought the wrong one, claiming it was the right part. Pay attention to pictures guys.

Hey guys, so unfortunately it looks like the RTX 2080 Super in my Clevo X170SM-G is dying (pink screen artifacts, GPU-Z can no longer read most of the stats of the card). I was going to go a GPU upgrade at some point to an RTX 3080, but looks like I'm being forced to do it now. 😅 I wasn't planning on an upgrade just yet as everything still runs fine for me, but oh well. It's not often a GPU remains useful to me for over 4 years (and I've had this laptop for 4 and a half at this point), so I suppose I should be grateful the 2080 Super lasted me as long as it did. I got an extra 6 months, yay! 🤣 I've already sourced a replacement/upgrade to an RTX 3080. For any of you who did this upgrade, did you also need to buy the KM-G heatsink? Supposedly the SM-G heatsink is incompatible with the 3080. Also, does anyone still sell the water cooling heatsink? I figured I'd upgrade this laptop to the max while I was replacing the GPU. Additionally, I'd like to ask if anyone has some spare 10th gen copper IHSes as I can't find a place that sells those anymore. The Rockitcool one I have got welded to one of my desktops' AIO coldplates during some sub zero overclocking experimentation and I can't get it off. Were there any extra steps required for the 3080 upgrade on the SM-G other than the usual INF modding? I already have Premamod on this machine, so the BIOS shouldn't be an issue. How's everyone doing here? I haven't visited the forum in the past few weeks.

Welp guys, I found out today why my AIO coldplate fused to the pure copper IHS on my 10900K. It wasn't purely because of liquid metal between copper to copper contact plates, it was that in addition to me running sub zero temperatures on the AIO (Masterliquid ML 360 Sub Zero). The cold served as a catalyst for the liquid metal to weld the 2 surfaces together. Don't use liquid metal for sub zero overclocking guys. The liquid metal leeches into the copper faster this way and then welds the 2 surfaces together. I didn't know this at the time and stupid me thought liquid metal would be the GOAT for sub zero overclocking. Nope, normal pastes are better for that.

I don't understand why people care where the tech or the parts come from. I just want stuff to be affordable... Who cares who makes it or who designed it? Don't we all win as a human race when we work together instead of competing? I mean I love my country, but this is insanity. Some people are easily duped. Thanks for the good laugh this morning bro @Papusan

I'd say all games benefit from frame gen, but the base framerate needs to be high enough that the latency between you moving your mouse and the action being reflected on the screen is low enough for the game to still feel responsive enough. This varies from person to person, and I'm on the high end, so I still need a base framerate in the hundreds for the game to feel responsive. The base framerate also needs to be high enough to minimize frame gen artifacts. Things start looking really wacky when you try interpolating to 300 fps while having a base framerate of only 15 fps.

Radeon cards are better for frame gen. Lossless Scaling likes them more due to Radeon's higher floating point compute power vs their GeForce equivalents at all performance tiers, which is very important for frame gen performance. This also explains why Radeon cards perform significantly better with Minecraft shaders vs their GeForce equivalents. Both tasks are dependent on floating point performance. So the best setup for dual GPU in games is Radeon + Radeon if your games favor AMD GPUs, or Nvidia + Radeon if your games favor Nvidia GPUs. In either case, the optimal frame gen GPU is going to be a Radeon GPU.

Well now that you have your issues resolved, now you can use both of those RTX 5080s to build a badass dual GPU gaming/workstation rig! Losless Scaling will let you bring back the days of SLI/Crossfire by using one card as a render card and the second card as a frame gen card. I've recently been planning out a build to do pseudo tri-SLI or pseudo trifire as I know more recent versions of Windows (I think the minimum requirement is Windows 11 24H2) allow for generated frames to be piped through to another computer over a network (you're gonna want 10G ethernet for this at least if your framerate is in the hundreds like mine lol). This allows for render and framegen on one system, then on a second, you can do additional framegen on top of the streamed input frames. This is one way to get around Lossless Scaling's insistence of only one instance per machine, and allow the use of up to 3 GPUs to process your game. All of this was triggered by LG's announcement of a 1000 Hz monitor. I really want one, but am going to need a system to push that framerate in every game. My current rig has an RX 6950 XT and an RTX 3080. It works amazingly! I use the 6950 XT as my render card and the 3080 as my framegen card most of the time, but I swap the order if a particular game favors the Nvidia card. It's great to have a card from both major GPU vendors in those edge cases. I've also done experiments using my desktop as a render system and my laptop as a frame gen system. Piping the rendered frames to my laptop via ethernet and running Lossless Scaling on it to reach my framerate target works great! My ultra high performance software suite consists of the following: - Apollo (for streaming video to connected computers) - Moonlight (for streaming video from connected computers) - Lossless Scaling (for that sweet sweet frame gen) - Modified Windows (specifically WindowsXLite editions for maximum performance) This is especially useful if you have an ultra high refresh rate monitor. You'll be able to run all your games at your monitor's refresh rate, and it will look AMAZING! Bro Fox knows I swear by Lossless Scaling. It really is that good of an application, and is the best $7 I ever spent on any piece of software.

You have our support buddy! We hope everything turns out well for you! I'm happy to see that you avoided a much worse situation.

I'm very happy to see a fellow community member using Lossless Scaling in the exact fashion I do. This is something I've been promoting for a while, and I'm happy to see someone else interested in using Lossless Scaling to relive the days of SLI/Crossfire. This really is the way to better performance in games if you're super hungry for those frames but don't want to spend anything on new hardware. We can instead use what we already have! Cluster computing to increase performance in games is awesome. I use a combination of Lossless Scaling + Apollo + Moonlight to use two machines to render a game. Being able to take advantage of the combined performance of 2 computers to run your games is awesome! As an experiment, I think I'm going to see if a Tri-SLI/Trifire setup is possible this way. As I haven't tried that sort of a setup yet. I got a Radeon 9070 XT and a Radeon 9060 XT from Micro Center just before prices got to skyrocket, so I was able to get some hardware at those sweet discount prices. The 9060 XT was for my dad, but I'll be installing the 9070 XT in my desktop sometime soon when I find extra time. Currently, my desktop has a Radeon 6950 XT and an RTX 3080. I'm going to install the 9070 XT in my desktop and use that as my new render GPU, then use the RTX 3080 as my frame gen GPU. I'm going to install the 6950 XT in my second desktop (which currently has a GTX 1060) and pass those frames to my second desktop using Apollo + Moonlight, then perform another layer of frame gen on that input using a second instance of Lossless Scaling running on this machine. BAM! Triple GPU rendering baby! With some really awesome newer monitors coming out, I'm going to want the 1000 fps experience in every game, which should be achievable through a triple GPU setup using Lossless Scaling + Apollo + Moonlight. I actually really want the Thermaltake Core W200 case for my next build I will inevitably do sometime in the future, but it seems it's nowhere to be found anymore. I may have to just stick with 2 separate cases. Does anyone know of any other cases that can fit 2 ATX motherboards?

You should be able to assign the second core to Lossless Scaling as long as Windows sees the GPU as 2 GPUs, which I image it does. This reminds me of the GTX 690, as that was a dual GPU board as well. Now we have a new version of that from Intel which is awesome. That is correct. Your monitors should be plugged into the framegen GPU as plugging them into the render GPU will invoke a double readback, which will destroy performance and increase latency.