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Very cool. This makes me wonder if Coreboot could boot this chip too. I still have the MSI Pro Z690-A that supports Dashero. Might try hacking support in once summer hits and things calm down at work. Why Intel did not make a 10 P-core 12th Gen chip and 12 P-core 13th+ Gen chip is beyond me. Its not like 10850 and 10900K were poor sellers so far as I remember. Their team even binned that set of Golden Samples for LTT. It really shows just how much the company has shifted in the past few years. I guess Sapphire Rapids could have been considered a viable alternative to this but then you have to deal with mesh binning and the extra latency from registered memory.

Actually, after I took the MSI back to micro center they asked if I wanted to exchange for anything so I got one of their open box a51-18 with the 5090. After I got that one home and a few tools installed I found that it came with dual rank hynix a-die csodimms. I want to see what those sticks can do, maybe even testing them out in the hydroc g2 which is easier to tune memory with. I also can confirm that UMAF still works with the latest 2.xx bios and have had D2D and NGU running at a more proper 30x. The memory modules also peaked at 90C when running OCCT. Much cooler than the MSI raider 18 and closer to what I see with the hydroc using single rank modules. The midnight dark edition card is definitely a looker. I'd need to get a riser to show it off in the case as well but it may look a bit goofy contrasted with the white pcb z890 apex. Next id probably end up looking for a deal on a z890 unify or something... I don't know how she can keep up with all of the weekly activities. I barely have time to get my daily knowledge points and try to get enough stuff completed to get some hero track gear.

To be completely honest that is a tough one. I also tested out the Micro Center Raider 18 with 285HX, 5090m and 1600p 240hz. While it does have the advanced bios available I ran into issues with its audio getting distorted under combined loads, very high temperatures (over 110C on the stock system memory) and eventual crashes under load that needed an EC reset to recover. Maybe just a bad sample? Maybe single rank memory would run cooler or just something about the Micron 32GB modules? Although I found many others had similar issues on MSI's Global Forums with 2025 Intel Vector/Raider/Titan models... Today's project has been turning the media center back into a gaming machine for use on our 4k living room TV for my wife. We picked up one of those Midnight edition 5070 GPU's at Micro Center which seems to perform fine. With the 285K in 200S boost mode with the 48GB memory at 8000 CL40 WoW we are seeing 100fps running around Silvermoon without RT enabled. I need to find a nicer looking ATX case that has space for 3x3.5 inch HDDs and preferably a single 5.25 inch Bluray drive. The Fractal Design Define R7 XL is far too big for the space we have available under the TV.

Yeah, UMAF did work with both the A51 18 and Dell Pro Max 18 Plus. Sometimes it would freeze or fail to apply settings though so you have keep trying if something did not stick. Just be aware that with any later bios update Dell may write-protect the EFI setup variable region which effectively disables modifying any hidden settings. With the Legion 9i SREP worked on the shipping bios but none of the updates. NGU and D2D can be adjusted but on this one memory timing changes always fail to train. Its basically stuck at 5200MT CL38 Dual Rank (the 64GB Kingston Fury kit). M-die also worked at 5600MT but timings were much worse than the Kingston kit. There will be an 18 inch Uniwill chassis but this year it only gets up to 5070 mobile. Next year its supposed to have better GPU options according to Prema, so Eluktronics should end up carrying it.

I think its supposed to be 30x NGU and D2D, 40x Ring. My 275HX in the Hydroc G2 can do that easily with Premamod, but the real advantage comes from memory tuning. I have seen a few post sub-80ns AIDA64 scores, but I find heat is a big limitation on combined load stability so realistically for me 85ns is the best it can do on air with reasonable ambient temperatures. I think the A51 18 could do better temperature wise with the memory as the modules sit on the side opposite of the vapor chamber. You would have to use Smokeless UMAF to modify timings and test. Sadly max MT would be somewhat limited compared to even a mediocre desktop board as you cannot adjust VDD2 up beyond 1.1v (except on the Hydroc G2 with Premamod).

The 250W limit is on the CPU. So far as I know there is no GPU shunt mod on the Eluktronics Hydroc G2 other than the one that was made for Gizmosliptech's youtube video review.

So far I have found that increasing Cache to 4.0Ghz actually increased latency. There is a VF Curve applied by default, but Cache overclocking only works with VF offset and needs higher voltage to be stable. I think its only offered for Eluktronics laptops. From what I was told Bootguard is enabled by default with most OEMs so flashing an unsigned bios would not boot regardless. I was even told to not load the XMG bios (while I was waiting for Premamod to become available) as that would fuse Bootguard and lock out any modded bios on that motherboard going forward. I cannot even take advantage of the 250W limit without the liquid cooling addon, but do appreciate all of the other adjustment options. As it stands I think yours still has better latency number than mine, and I have yet to even approach the sub-80ns range I have seen from Legion 7i Pro G10 users.

Out of curiousity what are you running for tREFI at 6400MT to get 84ns in Aida64? I currently have my 2x16GB A-die kit at 6400 38-40-40-80, tREFI 24k, NGU & D2D 30x, Ring 38x which results in around 88ns in Aida64. I also have a 2x24GB M-die kit which can do 7200 at similar timings but I have not long term stability tested it in combined loads, especially given that I do not use the watercooling addon so memory temps have been observed up to 87C. It can do a bit better in Aida64, around 85ns. I did get the final Premamod bios recently so its tuning capabilities are better than the stock bios along with updated microcode and other throttling fixes.

Yeah I do not think I have ever made money on a computer part like that. When I eventually get around to selling the 4x16GB RDIMMs for the Xeon I will probably make some good money on those too. I cannot remember if I tried G4 but I doubt it. The sticks do not have any extra fans over them although the Apex was supposed to have some kind of ram fan kit that I never installed. I guess with the GPU removed then case temps are probably much better under load now. What I really want to do is get the RAM tuned in the Hydroc G2 so its sub-80ns but that has been hard as its hit a wall around 84ns regardless of bumping NGU / D2D / Ring. 7200 is the limit when using MsHybrid as the iGPU has glitches above those speeds for some reason. tREFI also has to be at 24k as the memory modules get up to 87C under OCCT combined load stress tests. CL34 works in Windows when adjusted but does not give any noticable improvement in latency when tested. I have not ordered the epic edition but thought about it. I will miss when the midnight pre-patch event ends as its been a good testing ground to jump into for a raid-like load any time of day. I guess there will always be world bosses and I have far too many alts now after running Legion Remix.

Yeah, got $2900 for it which is about $500 more than I paid a year ago. 1440p was definitely holding it back. For now I will just run my desktop as iGPU only which works fine for what I am actually using it for. All that I ended up using on the Vcolor kit was 8400 C40 as beyond that was unstable and I could not pinpoint what was causing the issue. iGPU may be an issue now with the higher MT as well.

Is that 285K that could do D2D 40x at auto voltage the one you sold me? I have not done much tuning with it sadly and will probably not end stretching it much. But it is still a major uplift compared to the 12900KS I used before especially with encoding jobs. It can even outperform the 24 P-core Xeon 2495X in certain tasks that could not multithread well beyond 8 P-cores. I sold my 5090 a few weeks ago as well as I still do most of my gaming on my laptop (which I am now testing out Prema's bios which has been really fun). I have even tested out my 32GB M-die kit which is XMP 6400 CL32. Obiously not as great as the 48GB M-die which would do 8400 CL40 out of the box. I need to bench my encoding jobs and see if the faster memory speeds them up. Then again if I want Nova Lake later this year the faster memory would probably pair better with it.

Try enabling "Block S3 Sleep" in the bios and see if that helps. It disables most of the ACPI code pathways for modern standby so if something is getting hung up trying to transition between power states it may help.

Any difference at 1600p Ultra? Have you tested the 265K with WoW to see if the same holds true? Is this bottleneck usually observable if neither the CPU or GPU are thermal throttling but also not at maxed utilization (or no P-cores at max turbo clocks)? I have seen that happen often on the Legion 9i G10 with memory capped at 5200 CL38.

25% is comparing the 1% lows. The average and max fps is absurdly high. 300-400 maybe? Its less on the 5090 mobile but does not matter as WoW is enjoyable at 120fps for me as long as it is consistent. 200S boost only last night as I had to first backup data on the Optane drive, then build the Apex + 285K and get it installed, then reinstall W10, apps and WoW. I do want to try out Talon's settings as well. The power is out today due to high winds / fire risk so may have to wait until tomorrow.

Ah, there is one in stock at the Denver store (also a 60min drive for me) but it appears to be out of stock at most other locations. I got the Z890 Apex + 285K swapped today. Enabled 200S boost for now which resulted in around 42k in CBR23 and 71.5ns in AIDA64 (8000 CL40). Also getting over 110fps in heavy raids so it is already outperforming the 12900KS by 25% (90fps), the L9i G10 by 100% (55ps) and Hydroc G2 (D2D 30x, NGU 26x, 6400 CL52 trefi 16k) by 25% (90fps). I need to run the Hydroc G2 through the same as well to see where it lands. It can be tuned but still no word on the Prema bios being available despite it being 6 months after release. From what I read on OCN the Strix is supposed to be a very good alternative to the Apex. I need to get an M.2 adapter for my Optane drive so I can attach it to CPU PCIe lanes instead of PCH.