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Yeah I do not think I have ever made money on a computer part like that. When I eventually get around to selling the 4x16GB RDIMMs for the Xeon I will probably make some good money on those too. I cannot remember if I tried G4 but I doubt it. The sticks do not have any extra fans over them although the Apex was supposed to have some kind of ram fan kit that I never installed. I guess with the GPU removed then case temps are probably much better under load now. What I really want to do is get the RAM tuned in the Hydroc G2 so its sub-80ns but that has been hard as its hit a wall around 84ns regardless of bumping NGU / D2D / Ring. 7200 is the limit when using MsHybrid as the iGPU has glitches above those speeds for some reason. tREFI also has to be at 24k as the memory modules get up to 87C under OCCT combined load stress tests. CL34 works in Windows when adjusted but does not give any noticable improvement in latency when tested. I have not ordered the epic edition but thought about it. I will miss when the midnight pre-patch event ends as its been a good testing ground to jump into for a raid-like load any time of day. I guess there will always be world bosses and I have far too many alts now after running Legion Remix.

Yeah, got $2900 for it which is about $500 more than I paid a year ago. 1440p was definitely holding it back. For now I will just run my desktop as iGPU only which works fine for what I am actually using it for. All that I ended up using on the Vcolor kit was 8400 C40 as beyond that was unstable and I could not pinpoint what was causing the issue. iGPU may be an issue now with the higher MT as well.

Is that 285K that could do D2D 40x at auto voltage the one you sold me? I have not done much tuning with it sadly and will probably not end stretching it much. But it is still a major uplift compared to the 12900KS I used before especially with encoding jobs. It can even outperform the 24 P-core Xeon 2495X in certain tasks that could not multithread well beyond 8 P-cores. I sold my 5090 a few weeks ago as well as I still do most of my gaming on my laptop (which I am now testing out Prema's bios which has been really fun). I have even tested out my 32GB M-die kit which is XMP 6400 CL32. Obiously not as great as the 48GB M-die which would do 8400 CL40 out of the box. I need to bench my encoding jobs and see if the faster memory speeds them up. Then again if I want Nova Lake later this year the faster memory would probably pair better with it.

Try enabling "Block S3 Sleep" in the bios and see if that helps. It disables most of the ACPI code pathways for modern standby so if something is getting hung up trying to transition between power states it may help.

Any difference at 1600p Ultra? Have you tested the 265K with WoW to see if the same holds true? Is this bottleneck usually observable if neither the CPU or GPU are thermal throttling but also not at maxed utilization (or no P-cores at max turbo clocks)? I have seen that happen often on the Legion 9i G10 with memory capped at 5200 CL38.

25% is comparing the 1% lows. The average and max fps is absurdly high. 300-400 maybe? Its less on the 5090 mobile but does not matter as WoW is enjoyable at 120fps for me as long as it is consistent. 200S boost only last night as I had to first backup data on the Optane drive, then build the Apex + 285K and get it installed, then reinstall W10, apps and WoW. I do want to try out Talon's settings as well. The power is out today due to high winds / fire risk so may have to wait until tomorrow.

Ah, there is one in stock at the Denver store (also a 60min drive for me) but it appears to be out of stock at most other locations. I got the Z890 Apex + 285K swapped today. Enabled 200S boost for now which resulted in around 42k in CBR23 and 71.5ns in AIDA64 (8000 CL40). Also getting over 110fps in heavy raids so it is already outperforming the 12900KS by 25% (90fps), the L9i G10 by 100% (55ps) and Hydroc G2 (D2D 30x, NGU 26x, 6400 CL52 trefi 16k) by 25% (90fps). I need to run the Hydroc G2 through the same as well to see where it lands. It can be tuned but still no word on the Prema bios being available despite it being 6 months after release. From what I read on OCN the Strix is supposed to be a very good alternative to the Apex. I need to get an M.2 adapter for my Optane drive so I can attach it to CPU PCIe lanes instead of PCH.

Micro Center also has the Z890 Apex for ~$294. The Unify would be nice but its a lot of trouble to change around boards unless there is a good benefit to it. The Z890 Apex + 285K I bought from Talon was finally delivered today. Hopefully can test out this evening!

Yeah. I have been starting to read through the Arrow Lake thread over at OCN. Sounds like G4 is needed over 9000 and its not worth it unless you can really push NGU further. I do not recall what @Talon tested his NGU to clock at but I am guessing 36 should be obtainable. Hopefully all of this can run ok on air only. A bios update came through on the Legion 9i G10 recently which fixed a few bugs with the shipping bios, but sadly SREP no longer works so tuning D2D is not possible (yet) on that version.

I picked up the other 9600 kit this seller had after @electrosoft gave me the heads up. I figured it would pair better with the 285k than the 2x16gb 6400 cl32 kit I have now.

The dips are interesting. Not that the remix raids are particularly challenging as the game mode is pretty broken but its just more enjoyable to have performance consistent. I could pick up a 2x24GB 8800 CL42 Teamgroup CUDIMM kit from Micro Center for $550. I do have a bunch of laptop memory that may fetch more money now. Legion 9i G10 - 275HX at 58W and 5090 at 150W combined load, not really overheating as it can go up 300W combined loads. I need to just give it 100W on the 275HX as WoW could probably use more TDP. Its also severly limited on memory compatibility. The Kingston Fury 2x32GB kit is the only performance memory that works, and only up to 5200 CL38. No custom profiles or XMP profiles can post. That results in AIDA64 latency of around 105-110ns with Gear2, boosted D2D and NGU. Not great but still far better than the X580 could do. The Hydroc G2 can do better with memory latency but its also the smaller screen, and much more loud and much hotter palm rest.

I have the clevo x370 4090 bios if you would like to try it!

I have done remix raid world tours on the 12900KS + 5090 and it can usually hold 90 fps even in the really heavy fights at QHD. I am guessing it is still CPU limited albeit better than the 2495X could do. I never picked up that team group 2x24gb kit back when y'all recommended it so I will have to tune my a-die 2x16gb on the 285k instead. Hopefully can find good starting point timings as it only has XMP at 6400 C32. Hoping it can keep a stable 120fps in the 1% lows as that is the refresh rate on a new display with kvm I am testing. The laptops are all basically a lag fest in the raids at those same settings...

I have seen WHEA error 17 on multiple other Arrow Lake systems including the Eluktronics Hydroc G2 and Lenovo Legion 9i Gen 10. Supposedly setting PCIe Power State Management to disabled in the bios could fix this but I have not tested that.

I was disappointed when the 5090 mobile GPU option was dropped from the Pro Max Plus lineup. It seems like Nvidia may be the one responsible here as the T16g G3 has not been released yet either so it could be a play to boost 4000/5000 Blackwell mobile sales. The Legion happened to be the best choice for a consumer model 18 inch for me. Its warranty and repairability is worse than the Pro Max 18 Plus but I would be selling and upgrading before the warranty expires with either machine.