Trevayne10
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Per the title: HP Omen 16.1 laptop, i7-12700H CPU, nVidia RTX-3060 GPU (6GB), 32 GB DDR5-4800MHz. Windows 11 Home 22H2. Spotty / inconsistent, very disappointing performance. Constant throttling. I disabled Intel Dynamic Application Loader Host Interface Service = EUREKA! 100% Success. Laptop came alive. Awesome performance, no more throttling or choppy performance issues. Back in October 2022 I purchased an HP Omen 16.1 notebook from BestBuy, hoping to get a half-decent, high performance gaming laptop (moderate gaming, tbh). Results were very disappointing. Very choppy performance, overall...sluggish context switching / multitasking. Constant throttling down to 400 MHz across 14 cores / 20 threads. I scoured the Interwebz for a solution and finally (at a point of desperation), i found a website that recommended turning off the "Intel Dynamic Application Loader Host Interface Service". My laptop came alive! It finally DELIVERS. Amazing, top-tier performance. Fast, smooth *everything*, especially heavy multitasking / context switching. Am now a believer in Intel's "Thread Director" tech. Running both Firestorm 6.6.8 Second Life viewer *and* the LL Second Life viewer, both very high GFX settings, 2560x1440 full screen, both viewers getting in excess of 80 fps (was lucky to see 40 fps before) Temps spike to almost 100°C but that's to be expected in this form factor. - Trev -
Thanks, Ryan - Yeah, I've heard good things about the Honeywell PTM7950 phase change pads. Apparently this is one of the better sources for them: https://lmg.gg/iBCQ1 Happy Holidays and Happy New Year -Trev
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Ryan, please accept my sincerest apologies for the insults and arrogance that I directed at you. I was completely wrong and ignorant, and I am sorry. I finally broke down and installed Throttlestop and I am now able to limit the clock speeds of all cores on my i7-12700H CPU to 3.8 GHz. Yes, I do take a considerable performance hit (no more 4.7 GHz), but the max temp on any core is now down to 77°C, instead of a nearly constant 100°C. This completely solves the overheating problems on my laptop and I do not need to bother with applying new thermal paste. Again, my sincerest apologies. - Trev
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Per the title: Overpowered OP-LP2 i7-8750H / GTX 1060 6GB - CPU / GPU w/Phobya Nanogrease Extreme Re-Paste: Resounding Success After 4 years, I finally got up the nerve to do this re-paste, after reading all the horror stories about stripping the phillips head screws of the CPU & GPU heat spreader. Turns out, not a big deal. I just exercised a little caution, made sure I had a nice, tight, precision phillips screwdriver that perfeclty matched the heads of the screws (there were 7, total). Cleaned off all the rubbish OEM paste from the CPU & GPU, then applied Phobya Nanogrease Extreme thermal paste (nice, even coats with the included spreader spatula thingie on both the dies and copper sinks on the spreaders). Laptop was relatively free of dust & debris (I routinely blow out all the dust twice a month). Results: Before the re-paste, the i7-8750H CPU was hitting 95°C - 97°C, when running Geekbench, Cinebench R23, Prime95. Now max temps are 73°C with those same benchmarks, and posting even higher compute numbers. GTX-1060 6GB GPU was hitting 76°C on various stress tests, now maxing at 66°C. Am thrilled with these results - almost too good to be true. Cannot recommend Phobya Nanogrease Extreme enough. btw, I didn't sh*t house the heat spreader screws when I tightened them all back up. Just snugged them up tight, the way they were from the factory. -Trev
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I've simply run out of ways to tell you that intel has completely locked down the i7-12700H CPU in every way conceivable (including the turbo feature), and you refuse to get it. Even Talon couldn't get through to you, and that was after you invited him into the discussion. I came here for feedback as to whether applying a high quality thermal paste to the CPU and GPU heat sinks might effectively reduce operating temperatures, and if not, then what other options might there be (excluding, of course, things like ThrottleStop, which is pointless in this instance).
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You answered my question; no, you weren't trolling.
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Are you trolling, or are you just incredibly dense?
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I already said that. You need to direct this to ryan.
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Hi Ryan! Thanks for the quick reply. Much appreciated. This CPU is the "H" version (i7-12700H). Can't do a bloody thing with it it, clock-wise, undervolt-wise or anything else-wise. Intel completely locked it down, so the otherwise excellent ThrottleStop won't do a thing to it. Thanks again! - Trev
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Per the title, I have an HP Omen 16 laptop (16-k0023dx), i7-12700H, RTX-3060 (115W), 32 GB DDR5-4800. When gaming, P-cores always hit 100°C, but doesn't really throttle. 180W PSU brick, I think the RTX-3060 TDP is 115W. I love this laptop, but am worried about 100°C all the time. I realize there's a lot of controversy surrounding all the OEMs' poor heat pipe / sink designs, but I didn't think it was this bad - especially Hewlett-Packard. Am wondering if I should re-paste the CPU (and GPU) heatsinks, if it'll help? I have some decent paste: Noctua NT-H2. What else can I do? (returning/refunding this laptop is off the table. Got a great price break on it, new. $1,199 USD, brand new). - Trev
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Even Noctua's NT-H2 beats IC Diamond.
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Hi aldarxt, Thanks for the reply. If it is indeed a bug, it's a bug that I want to keep around. - Trev
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Thanks, Sandy Bridge - Makes sense. Gonna drill down further into it, as per your recommendation. - Trev
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But anyway, back to the original question: Why would checking the "Enable Write Caching" policy on my Evo 970 NVMe SSD in Windows 10 result in a 100 - 200 % improvement in gaming frame rates (aka, "FPS")? Because in my case, it has. It can't possibly be something as trivial and ridiculous as the "nVidia Container" being completely write cached, can it? I am completely baffled. - Trev
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Well, to be honest, I'd say they have different wording because they have vastly different meanings. They're both critically important to disk device I/O, however. If you suddenly unplug an external USB SSD disk that has "Enable Write Caching" policy enabled on it (as opposed to "Quick Removal" policy - either/or, can't have both policies), doing so can cause massive file system corruption. Likewise, in the case of a desktop PC with internal PCIe NVMe or SATA disks, with "Enable Write Caching" checked (and with no UPS battery backup protection), a sudden power outage (or just rudely unplugging it) can also cause massive file system corruption. Quick takeaway: 1.) The "Quick Removal" policy applies only to External USB disks. But you can also change the policy to "Enable Write Caching", with possibly substantial risks. 2.) Internal PCIe or SATA (or even now ancient PATA/IDE drives) are capable of the "Enable Write Caching" option, also with substantial risk (except in the case of laptops, which typically have their own built-in battery backup, or in the case of desktop PCs that are on UPS battery backup). But typically internal disks on laptops and desktop PCs do not have the "Quick Removal" option. If you think about it, there's really no practical way to "quickly remove" an internal disk installed inside a laptop or desktop PC case anyway. - Trev
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Just an FYI - My internal NVMe SSD does not have a "Quick Removal" device option. I suspect that's fairly typical for most internal PCIe disks under Win7/8/10/11. Thanks again, Hertzian - Trev
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I'm guessing now that one reason for my laptop's massive gaming FPS & all around system perf. boost might have something to do with the "nVidia Container" process (which apparently does a lot of disk I/O) is now being fully write-cached, where it wasn't before. Just a crazy guess. - Trev
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Thanks for the quick reply, Hertzian - I think your post applies more to external USB disks. My Evo 970 NVMe SSD is internal, connected directly to the system board's PCIe slot. Much appreciated! - Trev
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Per the topic: System = OP-LP2 laptop, i7-8750H CPU, (6C/12T), 32 GB DDR4-2666, nVidia GTX-1060 6GB GPU, Samsung Evo 970 Pro 500GB NVMe SSD (PCIe 3.0 x 4) 144 Hz IPS 15" Panel. Over the past few months I noticed my laptop's gaming performance was really dragging (especially in Second Life, 1920x1080), 16 to 32 fps, max. Did some random research, found out that the Samsung Evo 970 Pro NVMe SSD really loves to have the Windows Device Write Cache policy to be enabled. I discovered that it wasn't. So I enabled it, rebooted, and I'm now getting a 20 to 25 FPS increase in virtually all of my game titles. Some of the games actually have a "shimmer" and a sparkle to them, almost like watching 60 fps video (wasn't like that before). Not only gaming, but all around system performance, web browsing, scrolling, smooth as silk (was pretty choppy before). YouTube vid buffering GONE. I can scroll forward and back many minutes in videos, and it just jumps right to it (very slow and choppy before). I. Don't. Get. It., but I'll take it. I also run Romexsoftware's excellent Primocache 4.1, 2GB R/W cache. Please note: I am not a shill for Romexsoftware, but I've been using it for many years now. WHY would enabling Windows Disk Device Write cache policy cause such a massive jump in all-around system performance, especially gaming / video? Again, I don't get it. Anyone have an explanation, I would be most appreciative. - Trev
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I've had the best luck with Noctua NT-H2 thermal paste. It does almost as well as Grizzly Kryonaut. In the case of large, square CPU heat spreaders, just a clean 3mm blob right smack in the middle will do, then lock the heatsink down on top if it. If it's a thin, rectangular die (such as laptop CPUs), a thin line right down the middle of the long side of the die rectangle suffices. I don't agonize over it. Also, I religiously avoid any liquid metal pastes or fancy "diamond" pastes. Just my $.02 - Trev
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Hi runix18, Just an FYI: www.tinyurl.com is your friend! That ginormous link you posted above reduces to https://tinyurl.com/yabb6arr Whenever you end up with a huge link like that, just copy and paste it to tinyurl.com, then click on the green "Make Tinyurl!" button underneath, and tinyurl will do the rest (then copy and paste the shortened URL to wherever you please). - Trev
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Tried WIndows 11 Pro a few months ago - took an instant, intense dislike to it, quickly removed it. Will stay with WIndows 10 Pro until support ends in October 2025 (or until a viable "Windows 12" is released). Running Windows 10 Pro on all 8 systems on my home network (two of which also dual boot to Ubuntu Linux 21.10; one runs Ubuntu 21.10 24/7/365). -Trev