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Actually LG has become really cheap in their non Pro line. They use the same chassis, they removed the mini SD card reader and they just plugged the hole on the side. The same basic design since 2021.

The usual matte IPS 2560x1600 with variable refresh rate at 144Hz. It has been the same since 2023 and I am glad they did not go for the glossy OLED of last year's model. At last also they use the latest version of NVDIA GPU so it could be really decent now for games.

Got my hands on it this week, the case is the same I guess as the 2024 Pros and all the pros. Very easy to open to add an ssd. Remove the rubber feet, 4 screws, that's all, no glue, easy and nice. But the internals... The best cooling solution thus far, with beefy heat pipes and big fans. Double the amount of speakers and all these at just 1.3kg. It has the Arrow Lake Core Ultra 9 285H, got 15814 multicore score on Geekbench 6 and 978 on Cinebench R24. Silent most of the time, the fans not disturbing when they are on (except when running the benchmarks at max setting), great performance and at the same time great battery life (I get easily more than 10-11hrs). The perfect Windows laptop.

On the LG site the Arrow Lake models claim 19.5hrs of battery vs 25hrs for the Lunar Lake. But the Arrow Lake are penalized also by the stupid OLED panels. My ideal would be Arrow Lake with IPS non glossy panel.

The normal Pros have already dual fans. I think the Arrow Lake version with the RTX4050 is the heavier option. But I really prefer the 16in version for portability. Today on Notebookchekc they communicated a rumor about a 16in Pro with RTX5050 later in the year. Curious about that.

The move from my 2021 model to the 2023 almost doubled in performance. Of course, I don't see this in everyday browsing and office work, but quite often it can be important in some software I use. I think Arrow Lake has also managed improved efficiency and performance and probably cooler operation, though all the attention is on Lunar Lake. Lunar Lake for me will not be a real upgrade and the minimum 5-6hrs of battery life I get with the current one is more than enough. I understand your concern, 2022 onwards with 12-16 cores only single fan cooling was subpar

Thank you very much, these results correspond to the Notebookcheck scores. Which means that there was a significant improvement between Raptor Lake and Meteor Lake, like 30% in Multicore. I got 2495/8774, the best I managed in high performance mode and no other apps running. Lunar Lake is slightly inferior to Meteor Lake but Arrow Lake in multicore presents again a huge improvement, almost doubling in multicore from my model and a decent increase in single core. I don't think I will experience a real improvement in everyday use with just 30% improvement and the dedicated GPU in my model is still faster than the latest iGPUs. I was considering to grab a 2024 model but will abstain, if I upgrade Lunar Lake is not for me, I have to see what comes in Arrow Lake.

Thanks for the link. It is very interesting because it is the only review with benchmarks for the Arrow Lake version. Here : https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lightweight-with-power-and-20-hours-of-endurance-LG-Gram-Pro-16-laptop-review.992325.0.html is the latest review with Lunar Lake. It is basically a bit slower than your 2024 version with Meteor Lake. So if you want more power you have to go with Arrow Lake. I just run the Geekbench on my 2023 Gram Pro and I barely get 9000 in multicore, but of course the GPU score of 50000 is still far ahead from the iGPU versions. I need more power than battery life, I really don't know if I will get any real benefits from upgrading. What is your Geekbench score for the 2024 version. The problem with the 16in 2024 version is that it is a glossy OLED panel that I do not like. Yesterday also I saw at a store your 17in 2024 version and I feel that the keyboard is a bit mushier with less travel than my 2023 version. This is another issue to consider.

Grams always had good battery life, Lunar Lake will have probably exceptional battery life, but if you keep it always on your desk it does not really matter. John has already written that he bought the Slim as a super light travel laptop and since the Slim is not a battery monster, I guess he does not care about battery that much. Lunar Lake probably will be a downgrade in performance and Arrow Lake is only incremental, so I guess it is not worth the extra money for the latest versions. The rest, screen, chassis, battery, fans will be the same anyway.

Well done, enjoy!!!. Could you remind me, your 2022 version is with the 12 cores? Or still 4 cores? Do you mind also checking how is the battery life? I am really tempted. I plan to sell to a friend my old 2021 Gram that I just have it as backup and thinking to get a small upgrade, just to be on the safe side. EDIT: Unfortunately on Amazon.co.uk there is only your model that is 32gb, no 16in with 32gb RAM.. But will check again. By the way you have the Variable Refresh Rate monitor if I am not mistaken, you can see this in the Display settings- Advanced Display and set it in Dynamc

This LG Gram "Book" should never exist and never called Gram, it is heavy as a brick and has subpar specs. The Grams were always supposed to be light and premium laptops. Then they launched the "Pro" adding dGPUs and better cooling, bigger battery in 2022. Now they have the Pros to indicate better cooling, screens with VRR or OLED, better speakers. But basically after the 2022 models with the Alder Lake processors (too many cores for the traditional one-fan cooling to handle) they should have stopped selling the normal Grams with one fan (they were subpar products, not premium anymore with a lot of thermal throttling) and move everything to what they call Pro line. But now in 2025 with Lunar Lake the one fan Grams might make again sense (they seem to have the old chassis with the SD card reader) and become battery champions. The pre-order possibilities on the LG US site for the Pros is a freaking mess: 16in come with OLED or IPS or IPS and touch, Lunar Lake or Arrow Lake (OLED are paired with Arrow Lake), all the 16in have only 77Wh batteries, the 17in also come with Arrow Lake (90Wh battery) and Lunar Lake (77Wh battery).

I like Andrew's reviews. But this is the one with the RTX3050 and since 2022, all models with the dGPU have always dual fans. And actually they were necessary for all models after the core count increase since the 12th gen Intel processors. At the same time of this review on Youtube Notebookcheck did the 17in version review that I posted above. No reviews of the model you mention are to be found. This one is also with the one fan:

When it was first launched in 2024 with Meteor Lake it did not have the two fans: https://www.notebookcheck.net/LG-Gram-17-2024-laptop-review-Small-improvements-and-a-new-Core-Ultra-7.826926.0.html and used the old design. The 16in pro was already with the 2 fans and slimmer design (and no SD card reader anymore). So I guess the slimmer design and the Pro moniker guarantees 2 fans now. The 2025 with Arrow Lake and RTX4050 will be a beast but almost 1. 5kg

My biggest issue with the 15in models is the 16:9 ration vs the 16:10 of the 14,16,17in. I still have my old 2018 15in Gram and the screen looks so narrow when I play with it. But it is always a pleasure to lift it up and handle it, 200gr make a difference (It think 1.1kg vs 1.3)

Shutting down is not the same as hibernate, yes it is not instant like sleep, but with hibernate you get all your work back where you left it. With the fast SSDs it resumes pretty fast anyway. If I just move around from one room to another, or just from the waiting area to board the plane, I just close the lid and that's it. But I am careful, too many times battery got depleted with the lousy Windows Modern Standby, or the laptop got too hot in the backpack. But I don't know if it is feasible to get the old sleep for our Grams and found that just alternating between Standby and Hibernation will do the trick