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Walmart is now selling a 2022 L5iP 12700h with 3070 that seems to have 150w TDP, so close to 3070ti performance for $1600 (16gb/1tb nvme). Has all the intel goodies, thunderbolt, advanced optimus, gsync with the nice display. I think this is the current price performance champ and 3070ti at 150w versus 3070 at 150w is too close in performance to justify the high prices- most 3070ti are >1900$. Especially since Alder Lake is the performance champ this round with a larger delta than last year over AMD in FPS. Wanted to ask for DDR5 configs with Alder Lake if upgrading to HyperX Fury (CL38) from stock Micron makes a performance difference, and if so how much. On last year's Intel it was still a solid 5% bump in CPU. This would be doubly relevant to AMD 6800h folks.

Well, that certainly has a nice keyboard. This is the machine to get till 4000 series comes out. Totally leapfrogged competition with the liquid loop. Anyone know how many nits the screen should hit max?

Yes I think the liquid cooling with the tongfang clones this cycle is a huge unappreciated game changer. It is going to give simply unbeatable performance for a notebook replacement and offers essentially no disadvantage when not available other than having to drain the laptop before taking it anywhere. The rest of the manufacturers need to catch up quick and offer liquid options. That and chopping fan noise in half make it a no brainer. Surprisingly the 'knock off' company has overtaken the established masters.

I think the bigger deal besides the size of the screen is the technology. There needs to be 16 and 17 inch screens with OLED or miniLED past 500 nits brightness with good contrast ratios at high refresh rates with variable refresh available. Screens with OLED/miniLED etc are quite rare right now but the 16 inch screen in my last year Legion is very good at 165hz refresh rate, G sync, approaching 500 nit brightness, 1440p, and 99% sRGB. Obviously not adequate for a professional doing image work but very good for gaming but OLED and miniLED get brighter with much better/unbeatable contrast ratios and true HDR. 16:10 has been fine in the vast majority of games surprisingly.

Still waiting on details. Last year's Legion 7i was the perfomance champ competing with much thicker Clevo but I suspect 175w will be difficult in the thin chassis to maintain enough sustained wattage on the CPU combined- mine typically can manage 165w GPU but only around 40w CPU under load. The new GT77 is advertised as handling sustained 175w GPU and 75W CPU loads, and per some early reviewed sustained 150W on CPU with some kind of load on the GPU as well. I think the liquid cooled tongfangs out there need more attention as the top timespy score right now is an Eluktronics several hundred points above the MSI 3080ti models. Hard to compete with a liquid loop going outside the entire chassis, and I think all the other manufacturers need to start offering it as an option in desktop replacements.

Current world record timespy for laptops with the Prometheus is sleeping on a lot of folks. I think the LPP is going to be unbeatable, only possible competitor is Clevo or MSI thick builds (GT77), and appears the Eluktronics Prometheus is easily beating GT77 by several hundred points. This new Tongfang has finally become directly competitive with the best available builds in performance. Two weaknesses with the Prometheus. 1. No G sync screen- means to get variable refresh rate on the screen (freesync) you'll take a performance hit routing through iGPU unless using external monitor. There are 2. Keyboard sucks per reviews. Legion, GT77, Alienware, Omen, many zephyrus ASUS models all have great keyboards out of the box these days with great non-mushy key travel, some clicky-ness with a mild mechanical feel. If one is dropping $2k+ on a laptop little things like key feel start to become quite important. The Mech 15 G3 obviously does not have this issue, but there is no 'Mech 17' tongfang with the latest internals and LPP available in the US market as far as I can tell. If one needs the smaller size the Mech15 G3 is obviously a good choice but the best performance will always be in larger 16-17"+ models along with the extra screen real estate/keyboard room.