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3 hours ago, ceasar2k6 said:
Lots of interesting dell pro max pics and even a video here https://axicom.egnyte.com/fl/vS302r6mj8
keyboard looks raised a bit, compared to my 7760 anyway...
The videos and photos of the new Dell Pro Max laptops in the press release are the equivalent of the old 3490 and 3590/3591 entry level laptop workstations
Linus tech tips commented the new Dell Pro Max 14 was one of the best keyboards he has used in years so I guess your eyes are not deceiving you it is a conscious decision from dell!
About 8 mins into the below video (can’t link to specific time on my mobile)
hopefully we will see similar on the new Pro Max Plus ( replacements for the 7680 and 7780)
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Nice overview of Arrow Lake Mobile here
still reserving judgement until we see reviews but it seems like the efficiency improvements will make a big difference in the new workstation laptops
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19 minutes ago, Aaron44126 said:
All “Pro Max” are mobile workstations. But, this announcement was only for the base “Pro Max” (akin to Precision 3000) and not “Pro Max Plus” (Precision 7000).I can’t remember about announcements in previous years but it’s usually summer before we see the high end workstations become available so maybe those leaks of the Pro Max 16 & 18 Plus were just really early. Hoping now Hp have announced their 18 inch workstation laptop we will hear more from dell
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Linus tech tips did a good job of explaining the brand changes and somehow go hold of a Pro Max 14 (replaces precision 3490) and Pro Max 16 Premium (replaces Precision 5690) although that one wasn’t finalised specifically wise
the lack of being able to tell which generation is which without referring to an obscure model number is an big downside for me.atleast with apple it’s M1, M2, M3,M4 etc
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12 minutes ago, Aaron44126 said:
Noted. Thanks.
Supposed to be simple, huh? How is someone supposed to wander onto the web site and chose between "Dell Pro" and "Dell Premium"? Seems like you have to gain some understanding of what each of these words actually means.
And what do they mean? I had originally thought "Premium" meant "slim version", but that appears to be the case for Dell Premium and not Dell Pro Premium.
And it doesn't help that they all (Pro + Plus + Premium + Max) basically mean "the better/best version of something" if you just try to read them as English.
Yeh it’s not just us many of the articles I believe are wrong having presumably watched the briefing!
For workstations atleast you know it has to have Max in the name.
the Premium does seem to be about materials but yeh I thought it was the slim laptops too!
interesting HP beat Dell in confirming they are launching an 18,inch laptop with 3 fans and 200W TDP sound Familiar? Maybe some of the many Dell staff affected by layoffs got hired by HP
Theirs says spring but often they seem to launch things but you can’t actually buy them.
https://www.hp.com/us-en/newsroom/press-releases/2025/future-of-work.html
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3 hours ago, Chalybion said:
These prices are shit; compared with the current XPS 13, Dell is asking 60% (edit: accounting for currency conversion and no VAT) more for a "new" processor with maayybe 5% performance increase, and a fancy new name?
These new Pro models are not equivalent of XPS, they are what was Latitude for business use.
Anything with Pro in the name is the Latitude business/office range.
The Replacement for the XPS will be known as Dell Premium but aren’t due until summer until then the current XPS will be sold
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On 12/14/2024 at 7:01 PM, ruboj said:
do not understand why ryzen processors are still not a common offering in mobile workstations. it is exciting though, to see 18" laptops making an appearance in the mobile workstation segment.
We have started to see them at the lower end for HP atleast, I think it a mix of AMD having less established solutions for enterprises including. Features like V-Pro management, ECC support, plus i always have suspicions Intel try whatever they can to ensure these big brands stick with them.
with AMD winning in data centres a lot more enterprise customers are becoming comfortable with AMD so I have hope. However I appreciate its significant Extra work from development to support like drivers to add a second CPU vendor.
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On 12/14/2024 at 8:50 AM, song_1118 said:
The only picture showing the appearance of the product at present makes everything about DELL Pro Max 18 Plus seem clear?
But in fact, this picture is not clear and some details cannot be determined:
It is even possible that the distortion and blurring caused by the angle and light when taking the photo are caused by the product rendering. The following analysis and speculation are all wrong.
Appearance: bulge at the bottom rear?
A side (screen cover) styling style:
Compared with the original Precision 7000 series, it can be said that there is no big change. It is still a CNC-made metal shell, the color is still silver-gray, the surface should still have a matte texture, and the edges and corners still use a smooth transition shape.
The only difference that can be found is that the central DELL logo seems to have no original circle around it, only the English letters "DELL".
There are more changes on the B and C sides:
Point 1: The screen has changed from a 17.3-inch 16:9 ratio to a 16:10 ratio; the physical size of the screen has increased by about 5 mm in the horizontal direction and about 27 mm in the vertical direction. When both have 4K resolution, the dot pitch is similar, both are about 0.10, and the PPI is also similar, both are a little over 250; but it is obvious that the physical area of the 18-inch screen is much larger, increasing by about 114 square centimeters---it can be understood as slightly smaller than the area of 11x11 centimeters.
Point 2: The area of the touchpad seems to be larger and the position is closer to the central axis;
Point 3: A part of the middle edge of the palm rest is cut off to form a concave place, which is conducive to opening the screen cover as a hand-held force point;
Point 4: A dedicated Copilot key for starting the AI function is added to the keyboard, so there may be no alt or ctrl key on the right, because the keyboard layout looks the same and the total number of keys does not seem to have increased.
There are also changes on the D side (bottom):Two sets of heat dissipation grilles are added near the front of the fuselage, claiming that the three cooling fans used for the first time in a mobile workstation should be at the rear of the fuselage, and none of them should be placed at the front.
Due to the unclear picture, it is impossible to identify how the claimed quick release of the fuselage bottom cover is achieved.
In addition, the most puzzling thing is: the rear of the fuselage seems to be obviously raised, and you can see that the heat dissipation grille at the rear is on this protruding part?
Is this a new design to enhance the heat dissipation effect in order to achieve the so-called TDP of 200 watts?
Port: No power jack?
Ports on the right side of the fuselage
From left to right, they are as follows:
3.5mm audio output and input composite jack;
USB-C: USB 4.0, supports DP output----it is possible to support USB PD 3.1 charging function up to 240 watts, which will be analyzed below.
Two USB-A: It should be USB 3.2 Gen 1, one of which supports the shutdown power supply function (PowerShare);
Security lock hole.
It can be seen that compared with Precision 7770/7780, there is an additional USB-A port on the right side of the fuselage, and the SD card reader has been moved to the left side of the fuselage.
In addition, it can be clearly seen from this picture that the vertical size of the 18-inch 16:10 body is obviously larger than that of the 17-inch 16:9.
Ports on the left side of the body
From left to right, they are as follows:
RJ45 Ethernet port;
HDMI port: should still be HDMI 2.1;
Two Thunderbolt 5 ports:
SD card reader: located in the middle of the left side of the body near the front;
SC card reader.
Compared with the Precision 7770/7780, there is one less USB-A port on the left side of the body, and there is no dedicated power interface. It only adds an SD card reader that was cancelled on the right side of the body;
At the same time, the distance between the two Thunderbolt 5 ports seems to have not changed. Maybe you can continue to use the TB18DC docking station with dual Thunderbolt plugs?
Question: Bump and power supply
Bump?At the back of the body, the existing pictures cannot show the whole situation, and it is not certain whether there are any ports at the back of the body.
Judging from the current pictures, the rear end of the fuselage is obviously bulging:
Moreover, there is no screen axis at the back, while the screen axis of the Precision 7770/7780 is completely visible from the back.
Is the bulge at the bottom of the rear end of the fuselage, which is used to lift the rear of the fuselage, a new design for heat dissipation to enhance the airflow discharge and intake at the rear and bottom of the fuselage?
If so, this shape is really hard to accept, and there are also big problems when putting it in a computer bag.
Unlikely due to complexity and space constraints inside the laptop but it would be a nice design if the “bulge” only lifted the laptop at the rear when in use and when turned off tucked back into the laptop chassis! I agree it looks large from those pictures but will have to wait for more angles to be sure how much of an issue it is.
less USB ports is also a shame but atleast it sound like only one port will be used by the docking station vs 2 by the current WD19 DCS docking station.
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3 hours ago, Aaron44126 said:
This image shows a smaller third fan in the little "infographic", so I am expecting something similar here...
Ah good spot would be disappointing if it isn’t better than the Alienware M18 layout. Hope they are going away from the old 7000 series layout where the heat was concentrated at the top left. Even if it was performing fine users would complain about that/ get worried the system was overheating
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All very interesting based on previous releases I’m doubting we will actually by able to buy these before mid year but who knows with a leak this early. It would fit with the prediction for high end next gen mobile graphics cards from NVIDIA also.
Also very curious about the 3 fan layout, I’ve only really seen it on Alienware systems where IIRC the third fan was significantly smaller. I’m hoping for more innovation here from the ex Precision R&D team
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On 11/1/2024 at 10:20 PM, ccvortex said:
Anyone know if the 285H will be a decent enough improvement over the 185H to justify waiting for it? Any other improvements in the chassis or ports between the gens?
Single thread performance regressed for first gen ultra H series CPUs vs 13th gen core CPUs if you can I would wait, expect to see things announced at CES in January and available not that long after if history is a guide. -
On 12/10/2024 at 7:48 PM, yslalan said:
That would be a disaster if Dell does so using a 240-watt PD 3.1 adapter. I suffered using the Precision 5760/5770 models because the battery would drain quickly under heavy load, even when plugged in with the adapter.
Dell went to 165W over a single USB C for the 5680 and 5690 which sorted that issue, and for everything else they have done 130W over USB-C for many years well before the new USB 4 /PD3.1 standard than allows 240W. Nothing to say Dell won’t push it beyond 240W over a single USB-C connector 😉 -
On 2/4/2024 at 7:51 PM, Aaron44126 said:
And today, we have Precision 3490 showing up at DMTF. I think that is all of the models that we would expect, other than the 7000-series...
Intel have only announced 14th generation HX CPUs which lack professional features such as VPro Enterprise and support for ECC memory. Read into that what you will….
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On 6/14/2023 at 9:26 AM, vooze said:
Not yet, but in BIOS it does say 165W with WD19DCS plugged in, so I suspect it will get 165W max.
Might be a good idea. I unfortunetly don't have the vapor champer, seems to be reserved for RTX 3500 Ada or higher.
I will be at the office Friday, then I will check the total watt from the PSU with a wattmeter.
Unfortunately not I have a 5680 with RTX 3500 I believe the vapour chamber is reserved for the RTX 5000 only. Performance for a GPU compute task using NVIDIA iRay was about 10% less than in the Precision 7680 with the same card so not too bad for the smaller chassis.
No difference for me with the WD19DCS
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10 hours ago, the_professor said:
I'm more inclined to believe the spec sheet dimensions looking at this comparison shot from this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kho5KL0z0Ss
Good find! if we went with the manual sizes it would be pretty much the same as the 7680 sim model albeit a bit lighter. I also note they don’t quote the weight with the 99.x whr battery only the smaller one which isn’t available at launch. I suspect the 5680 will be more like 2kg with the larger battery still an appreciable amount lighter than the 7680 which would be a bigger thing for us, the 7680 is already pretty compact but quite hefty.
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3 hours ago, the_professor said:
Looking at the Precision 5680 owner's manual the height dimensions are:
- Front height 26.17 mm (1.03 in.)
- Rear height 26.17 mm (1.03 in.)
While the spec sheet mentions:
- Front: 20.05mm, (.80in)
- Rear: 22.17mm, (0.87in)
Quite the difference!
Odd indeed I think when I’ve queried in the past there are some differences between how measurements are reported in different territories but not noticed a difference in owners manual vs spec sheet before.
hoping to have my hands on a unit in the next couple of weeks and compare to 7680
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5 hours ago, Aaron44126 said:
Dell Precision 5480 and 5680 support pages are up, so those systems are presumably launching soon.
https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/product/precision-14-5480-laptop
https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/product/precision-16-5680-laptop
Yeh should be tomorrow 🙂
looking forward to testing out a 5680 atleast although it is soldered ram which puts some off but we will just max it out from factory to avoid regrets In future, easier to justify that for a company vs an individual.
Think it will be a good option for our marketing team who want a mix of power for adobe suite and portability, will be interesting to compare to the 7680, it’s always hard until you physically hold a decide to really appreciate the size/ weight difference.
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On 5/8/2023 at 8:09 PM, PHVM_BR said:
@Dell-Mano_G Any news about the launch of the Precision 5480?
I had read that the date would be April 20th...
It got pushed to the same day as the Precision 5680 launch- 18th of may.
you may be able to get a quote on the 5480 from a sales rep now but not on the 5680 last I checked
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Unsure whether to post this here or in Tech News section for best visibility
https://www.theregister.com/AMP/2023/04/07/msi_cyberattack_bios/
says to beware of third party firmware sources etc due to theft of source code/ tools
I don’t use MSI kit but spotted the article on the register which I read daily
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9 hours ago, 1610ftw said:
Hopefully we will see 18" 3840 x 2400 soon although I have to admit that I prefer 2560 x 1600 and no scaling due to its compatibility advantages.
+1 for the QHD plus unfortunately still too many bits of software where the experience for 4K is not good particularly at high scaling levels needed for such a small display. 16:10 is spot on for me, my first Precision laptops were the M90/M6300 with 16:10 (17.6 inch?) screen
I’ve used a few 4k laptops for a couple of on and off weeks at a time and still not convinced of the benefit at typical viewing distances where as QHD I think is a great balance.
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2 hours ago, 1610ftw said:
Make that 7690 and 7890 - time to move to 18" LED for the bigger model.
Indeed there is surely space with the size of the 7770/7780 bezels compared to the 7670/7680 screen bezels.
I give our team a choice when it comes to replacement time and vast majority still prefer the 17.3 inch form factor pretty sure they wouldn’t turn down a bigger screen!
Few more takers for the smaller 7000 series after the switch to 16inch form factor with an improvement in relative performance and screen real estate, but the ratio is more than 9:1 in favour of 17.3 inch form factor!
I hope they do keep the larger form factor given HP and Lenovo both dropped it. 16 inch makes more sense for the more portable options like the new 5680, 17.0 perhaps took the size an weight a little beyond that category
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1 hour ago, Aaron44126 said:
Dell has consistently done two generations per chassis since the Precision 7000 series launched. We could be due for a chassis refresh next year. I think that, if they do that, they will go ahead and change the naming scheme as well.
Ah yes you are right! Only 2 I must have been thinking 3 inclusive when actually it’s just 2 then we usually get a new chassis on the 7000 series. Given we have purchased every mobile workstation dell have ever had you would think I’d remember! So yeh I’d predict new dock to go alongside the 7690/7790
then we just need to start guessing what the generation after will be named 🙂
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15 hours ago, yslalan said:
Hope Dell can provide a model like a combination of WD22TB4 and WD19DC, so that users can still have ability to connect 2 thunderbolt devices when the WD19DC dock connected😃
Indeed a bit overdue an update for the wd19DC/S would also like to see it able to deliver the full 240W, although this would need a bigger power supply in the input of course. hopefully we won’t have to wait for the refresh of the 7000 series chassis, usually 3 generations so whatever comes after the 7690/7790 (new naming scheme? 🙂 )
The WD19DC/S have been pretty reliable for us after the pain of the TB16 and TB18, I hope that continues with whatever replaces it! we standardised on these despite having a mix of power requirements in Precision 3000, 5000, 7000 + a few latitudes thrown in. Just means anyone can use any desk/meeting room by plugging in 1/2 cables. Nobody has ever complained about performance and combined 100% CPU/GPU loads are rare but would be nice to have the full 240W to know we are getting the best performance.
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18 hours ago, Dell-Mano_G said:
ECC memory is available the same as it was last gen, with the SoDIMMs only via an interposer.
Hi I was told by my contacts ECC ram was a post launch item with a May timeframe for availability?
long term I’m hoping for price parity between CAMM and So-DIMM and ultimately ECC CAMM modules to make the choice easier. For CAE workloads ECC is recommended but then we are limited to 64GB since 7770 generation with SO-DIMM
Your appearance? Analysis and speculation on DELL Pro Max 18 Plus in 2025 Part 2
in Pro Max & Precision Mobile Workstation
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I agree options to make laptops more usable without a mouse are sorely missed. Although I most miss the physical left, middle and right buttons for working on CAD it’s almost essential so without a mouse I find laptops unusable now
as far as naming
Latitude = Dell Pro (can be Pro, Pro Plus or Pro Premium)
XPS= Dell Premium
Precision = Dell Pro Max (old 3000 series) Dell Pro Max Premium (old 5000 series) and Dell Pro Max Plus (old 7000 series)
inspiron = Dell, Dell Plus
no idea what happened to Vostro I guess that is just forgotten