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My eyes are not getting any younger so I would never settle for something smaller than the biggest available size 😉 But if you consider 16" then there are of course more choices as you can also include the regular Lenovo Thinkpads. Just check what you really need - if you could actually make use of more than 128GB then the selections gets a lot smaller but if 128GB is enough then there is a lot more to choose from as you can get away with two memory slots. As for the GPU I would go with Nvidia to be on the safe side - better to not run into unforeseen issues.

A workstation with 18" and with the option to upgrade to more than 128GB is rare. In order of pricing these are your candidates that I would look into when you may want more than 128GB and non-garish looks: Clevo X580 Lenovo Legion 9i Dell Pro Max 18" HP Zbook Fury G1i 18" I would consider the Clevo to possibly not being robust enough for the kind of work you want to do and as for the Lenovo I am not sure, you may want to research that. The Zbook seems to be built like a tank and very serviceable and it takes normal memory up to 256GB, as do the Clevo and Lenovo. The Dell only does so up to 128GB, above that you have to buy some hideously expensive memory from Dell themselves or third party offers that also are very expensive. I would think that build quality of the Dell is up there with the HP or maybe only a little bit behind and longevity should not be an issue with both. I prefer the cleaner surfaces of the HP and it seems to be available at reasonable prices when you do not need the maximum GPU option: https://www.lap4worx.de/hp-zbook-fury-g1i-18-zoll-98l71et https://www.lap4worx.de/hp-zbook-fury-g1i-18-zoll-98l73et In any case, you should spec them out with for example 192GB bought at the best possible price which for all but the Dell would be aftermarket and you can also minimize SSD size, only get the smallest possible one with your order and use your own to complement or replace what is in there, these have 4 SSD slots! Don't forget to check the warranty you need, that is probably not that easy to get at 60 months but 36 will be no problem at all for all the above choices. Oh and you can get a replacement GPU for the 7750 for very cheap: https://www.ebay.de/itm/205066228932 So you will be able to shop around a bit while you keep using it.

Unfortunately I strongly dislike colors that are not a neutral black / silver / grey base color and these are what - blueish / turquoise? And do they still have the rubber-finish on the palm rest? Also not a fan of the inverted mainboard design that makes maintenance a pita. Too bad Alienware has decided to go that way. With that being said I love that they don't give a shit and make these quite deep and heavy and also the cherry keyboard is great and of course the cooling.

Thanks, that third run looks rather pathetic! I imagine temperature differences would be a bit higher if it wasn't for thermal throttling but still not nearly as high as with mine. Clearly there is little to be gained from running the CPU at 145W. Probably closer to 120W are needed to avoid excessive thermal throttling.

The lower core temps seemed fine with one SSD and 4 memory sticks, but after your post I wanted to make sure and went down to two memory sticks in slot 2 and 3 - no change unfortunately. Only having three instead of four screws for the CPU part of the heatsink probably doesn't help. The heatsink is the same as the one in your pictures and here so that should be OK: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/schenker-key-18-pro-e25-3/5.html Waiting now to hear from the reseller. That Dell Pro Max 18 Plus (naming inspired by Apple?) looks nice and I would have considered it if they had regular memory - but then you probably would have avoided it so now I look forward to hear how you like yours. Did you order it with the 5090? Regarding gear2 and 4 I completely agree - it is a very unfortunate limitation and I would hope that somebody can come up with a way to make switching between the two options possible, at least when only using two memory sticks.

Thanks man, that is indeed disappointing. I had a 3060 in my X170KM that scored almost 10000 and that was a long time ago. Not what I would call progress! A QHD display and the 5060 are not a very good match when gaming, for QHD I would want the 5070 Ti for better memory, more CUDA cores and higher power limit. But let's see you beat this shameful display of core temperatures ranging from 68 to 100C, despite the fans running at maximum, would be cool if you could also post yours: Edit: No idea how to get the picture post directly, do I need an account with imgur? The other sites I am still posting on just let me attach pictures directly but here we obviously still have that limit and I do not want to erase what I already posted. Edit 2: Found this handy site that creates direct links for imgur: https://imgur-direct-links.vercel.app/

Yeah, I saw that at guru3D I believe and thought it was a great idea - I would still like my p-cores being listed one after the other and not with E-cores intermixed, it makes it much harder to check which is which when looking for temperature differences. In any case my unit seems to have an issue that is coming from the lower left "#2" corner as that is where the hottest P- and E-cores can be found and even P-cores #4 and #6 are still pretty hot. Yeah, my thoughts exactly, that can't be normal and indeed I was not sure which was which but now I remember: Your Alienware topped out below 70C and @win32asmguy tested the X580 with a max temperature that was in the 70s - certainly nothing dramatic while over here some cores are cooking. Hopefully something that can be fixed and not a seriously bent heat sink. I just want to be prepared and not complain about something that is inherent in these chips but from what I can see it is not normal.

So I got the Clevo X580 and connectivity is really disappointing as I ran out of USB-A with it very quickly, two USB-A imo is still a joke for a desktop replacement but hey we have two 2.5 Gbe RJ45 connectors... Also there is no fingerprint sensor which is really strange as Schenker even sells the X580 as a workstation. Other than that the case is not looking great but very stealthy with no pulsating lights or any crap like that although it overall feels less solid when picked up compared to my Raider 18. But I knew this before and the Clevo is the only 18" QHD game in town that is both relatively affordable and has at least three SSD slots which is a must for me. I am also rather pleased that I can still use Clevo Fan Control which is the kind of utility that I prefer to bloated control centers of various kinds. So I am now testing the CPU and it looks like to me that the temperature variations between cores stink - is this an Arrow Lake thing? Here is what I got from a cold start after a single CB R23 run, max CPU power according to HWiNFO is only 142W: CPU: 275HX temp range P-cores: 68 to 96C - 28C temperature differential! temp range E-cores: 78 to 98C - 20C temperature differential So in other words the cooling is pretty much crap both with regard to max power uptake and temperature differences between cores. A run with the Raider 18 HX with comparable power budget and the 14900HX resulted in ca. 20C lower temps and temperature differentials between 5C (E-cores) and 9C (P-cores) which is how it should be. Hopefully somebody like @win32asmguy or @electrosoft who have experience with this gen mobile chips can confirm that differentials like this are not normal for the 275HX as then I will have to haggle with my reseller about how to do a repaste. Also what is it with the P- and E-Cores being all mixed up in HWiNFO - Intel could not arrange these in P- and E-groups as before? It is no wonder they are going down when they cannot even get things like these right any more...

It is a shame the 1070 did not work out, it would have made things a lot easier! My 8740W is with my youngest son right now and indeed the cooling is pretty bad, we have solved that for now with added cooling via external fan as otherwise temps ramp up too much and the external fan is also still pretty quiet. HP does not see to have planned this workstation with peak performance in mind. If you go ahead with some kind of modding for higher power uptake then I hope you are right that the chassis is as robust as you estimate! In any case it is a great combo - Dreamcolor 16:10, GTX980m and top of the line CPU!

Wow - way to go! What 980m did you get for it? If you can pull up to 213W from the wall I would strongly suggest to leave it at that. This is a very old chassis by now and it can get pretty hot in places so 213W is probably the absolute maximum that HP was comfortable with when the 8740W was new so why not leave it at that? Also this is probably an EC limit like MSI is using and very hard to get around and there would be the risk of bricking your beautiful machine.

Cool to hear you are having these two for testing! Currently waiting for my Clevo X580 as all high performance options have issues for me this year so I am going for something where I do not expect top notch but just OK performance and what is very important a QHD panel, 4 memory and 4 SSD slots 🙂 I would suggest to use Throttlestop power limits to even out power consumption in a comparison as for some reason MSI never sets meaningful power limits for its laptops and often goes up to 220W for the CPU alone that cannot be sustained in normal operation. Looking at the Raider and Alienware cooling solutions I would expect the Alienware to be able to pull anywhere from 15 to 30W more than the MSI at a given temp and noise level so a more meaningful comparison would probably be with the MSI being limited to somewhere between 150 and 170W via Throttlestop. As for fans I have never really used automatic fan curves on MSI as they are just very bad and that was starting with the GT72. These days I strongly suggest Feature Manager and a custom fan curve - that works really well and prevents the fans from being annoying all the time.

Biggest con for me is the UHD screen - I will not get a laptop with that kind of screen If I do not have to, QHD it is. I hope that this will not be the last Lenovo 18" model or that they maybe add a lower cost option of this one with a QHD screen.

I would like to see a less silly version of this with: 5070Ti QHD screen regular surfaces less obstrusive logo and light bar Other than that there is a lot to like with lots of firsts for Lenovo.

Wow - too bad! I think it would be better for the forum to keep the posts and replace the user name with deleted user or something like that.

Did you try limiting max power uptake? That could help with the 275HX. Hopefully undervolting will be available soon - the 13th and 14th gen needed it more but it should still save you up to 10% power on the CPU and either allow you to run cooler or with more performance. Agreed, also all his other posts are gone like in this thread. @Reciever can you elaborate on why we cannot see any of the posts of SACBomber any more? I would have thought that as soon as somebody posts here he would agree for his posts and threads to stay even when he leaves but apparently this isn't the case?