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The SSDs will heat up the motherboard to some degree and I have long wondered how much of an issue that would be. MSI and Clevo used to have their own self contained area with an array of up to 3 NVME SSDs some time ago but since then I have only seen the provision for cooling pads that connect to the mainboard. Does that mean it is safe? I would be a little bit sceptical if we are talking about writing terabytes to an SSD regularly but for everyday use it is probably fine. As a rule of thumb I try to avoid temperatures above 75C when transferring big amounts of data while shooting for regular temps in the low 60s or preferably less - quite high but such can be the realities in laptops. You can get HD Sentinel to check temps for yourself in the task bar and other parameters, too. It also warns you of possible failures. I have used the family license for years and highly recommend it, a test version is provided for free: Hard Disk Sentinel - HDD health and temperature monitoring

Yes, saw that too, pathetic. The pictures also tell the story of a rather bad Tongfang imitation with a cheap looking case. Severe lack of judgement on behalf of Medion coupled with a price that does not at all reflect the subpar performance.

Well, this has hundreds of posts, got a link?

Which main thread are you talking about?

I do not think that I misunderstood. My point was that in stock condition and as intended the x170 is the better laptop due to a number of factors with one very important one being the demise of SLI. Can the P870 be made better with a lot of effort and specialized knowledge? Clearly it can but that does not negate my point about the X170 being a better overall laptop in stock condition. As the P870 already has a thread where this is discussed I suggest we take this discussion there as I think that what you are doing with the P870 chassis is pretty cool.

From my experience a setting that works well enough for a ten minute CB R23 will be good enough for stable everyday use. Not that it matters much any more as after all that tweaking I have to activate virtualization again which voids all the nice undervolting I did so it is basically for fun only on my main laptop.

That has some crazy potential with a 980W power supply and water cooling but it has to have a bigger screen and a proper keyboard. No idea who gave input on this but with a QHD+ 18" and a proper full keyboard with numpad it would be a much more tempting option. I can understand that they may want to have a mousepad in there and possibly it is difficult to place it in front of the keyboard or it would increase height but in my opinion that is not necessary for what is really a mobile desktop. When you always need a power outlet you should also be able to bring a mouse even if the trackpad cannot be moved down in front of the keyboard. Oh and I wonder about their battery option - would be nice to at least have some one or two hours of battery life and it would probably help with sales.

So this is for the ten minute run? That is very impressive!

Looking forward to hear how much you can get although MSI is notorious for sometimes having rather useless presets for this. I think that in stock condition my Raider 18 HX did not get much above 30000 and later with some tweaking and for single runs I managed to get around 37000 out of it and a bit more than 39000 when pushing it to the max - big difference. With the 285HX and its seemingly limited undervolting potential I do not expect that much of a difference but I would assume that while you will see around 39K at first you will eventually be able to get closer to 41K.

I doubt that you are lacking much with a CB R23 score of almost 41000 without undervolting - that is a huge score: https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-fastest-gaming-laptop-is-now-even-better-thanks-to-300-Hz-mini-LED-XMG-Neo-16-E25-RTX-5090-laptop-review.1016705.0.html

It is very impressive that for high performance laptops Uniwill / Tongfang are leading the way in several areas: modularity cooling bios customizeability thanks to working with Prema Intel and AMD option for the CPU To be fair to Clevo they are not exceptionally bad with regard to modularity but they have fallen in line with everybody else and they are still not back at the top when it comes to cooling capacity. Luckily the combination of improved cooling over last gen and a CPU that needs less power will give a lot better results but the 330W power supply already shows that they are not that serious about performance.

Not sure what the argument is here. Clearly an desktop GPU board would only fit in the P870 but for using it as is the X170 is a better laptop because the added capability of the P870 to use a second GPU is not of much use any more and does not outweigh the keyboard, sound and lesser CPU cooling. In any case what is holding the P870 back the most is by now the CPU unless maybe you manage to put a 5080 in there for 4K gaming where frame rates will be affected the least.

The P870 is a better desktop but it had issues cooling the 9th gen CPUs. The X170 was the better laptop except for the stupid dual power supply construction: much better sound better keyboard better fans unified heatsink I would also have preferred to see those improvements in a slightly bigger chassis with even better cooling but Clevo probably thought it would be overkill. Looking at the size of 5080 and 5090 desktop cards minus the cooler it is indeed a shame that nobody puts them in a laptop. We know it is possible to cool up to 400W of GPU in a laptop as has been shown by SLI designs from Clevo and MSI.

The X580 is kind of a return to form after the lackluster X270 and X370 but they did not go all the way like with the X170 that in many aspects was a very good design.

Looks very good indeed! There is a reason I wish they'd do an 18" workstation. I know you have been considering to go with a 16" laptop and for your use case this always looked like the strongest option with the TB4 connection, the impressive TDP and the Prema Bios. Glad to hear that the quality is also pretty good now which I am told wasn't always the case. I read up a bit on undervolting of the new Intel chips and it seems to me that the gains are rather limited with values like -50mV. If that was the case then maybe it is not such a big deal if it isn't available as power savings would be pretty small at only -50mV.