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It is a shame the 1070 did not work out, it would have made things a lot easier! My 8740W is with my youngest son right now and indeed the cooling is pretty bad, we have solved that for now with added cooling via external fan as otherwise temps ramp up too much and the external fan is also still pretty quiet. HP does not see to have planned this workstation with peak performance in mind. If you go ahead with some kind of modding for higher power uptake then I hope you are right that the chassis is as robust as you estimate! In any case it is a great combo - Dreamcolor 16:10, GTX980m and top of the line CPU!

Wow - way to go! What 980m did you get for it? If you can pull up to 213W from the wall I would strongly suggest to leave it at that. This is a very old chassis by now and it can get pretty hot in places so 213W is probably the absolute maximum that HP was comfortable with when the 8740W was new so why not leave it at that? Also this is probably an EC limit like MSI is using and very hard to get around and there would be the risk of bricking your beautiful machine.

Cool to hear you are having these two for testing! Currently waiting for my Clevo X580 as all high performance options have issues for me this year so I am going for something where I do not expect top notch but just OK performance and what is very important a QHD panel, 4 memory and 4 SSD slots 🙂 I would suggest to use Throttlestop power limits to even out power consumption in a comparison as for some reason MSI never sets meaningful power limits for its laptops and often goes up to 220W for the CPU alone that cannot be sustained in normal operation. Looking at the Raider and Alienware cooling solutions I would expect the Alienware to be able to pull anywhere from 15 to 30W more than the MSI at a given temp and noise level so a more meaningful comparison would probably be with the MSI being limited to somewhere between 150 and 170W via Throttlestop. As for fans I have never really used automatic fan curves on MSI as they are just very bad and that was starting with the GT72. These days I strongly suggest Feature Manager and a custom fan curve - that works really well and prevents the fans from being annoying all the time.

Biggest con for me is the UHD screen - I will not get a laptop with that kind of screen If I do not have to, QHD it is. I hope that this will not be the last Lenovo 18" model or that they maybe add a lower cost option of this one with a QHD screen.

I would like to see a less silly version of this with: 5070Ti QHD screen regular surfaces less obstrusive logo and light bar Other than that there is a lot to like with lots of firsts for Lenovo.

Wow - too bad! I think it would be better for the forum to keep the posts and replace the user name with deleted user or something like that.

Did you try limiting max power uptake? That could help with the 275HX. Hopefully undervolting will be available soon - the 13th and 14th gen needed it more but it should still save you up to 10% power on the CPU and either allow you to run cooler or with more performance. Agreed, also all his other posts are gone like in this thread. @Reciever can you elaborate on why we cannot see any of the posts of SACBomber any more? I would have thought that as soon as somebody posts here he would agree for his posts and threads to stay even when he leaves but apparently this isn't the case?

@grisevg I think you are referring to this: Looks like there are different versions of the QTJ1 with one significantly worse than the other but I guess it is hard to exactly know what one is getting as all of them are after market modifications. How is your turbo and non turbo clock speed and can you unlock it and get higher turbo clocks? If this is a 10980HK it should have no problem going up to 5.0 GHz all cores and 5.1 GHz single core although for your chassis something like 4.4 to 4.8 GHz all core sounds more reasonable. In any case if those were "real" 10980HK the memory speeds would be a lot higher so that points to these being engineering samples which should also show up in significantly lower turbo and base clock speeds.

Sorry, somehow did not see this post. Looks like yours did not have PTM7950 then! Haha, taking off the heatsink can be bad as you have to not only take off the screws for CPU and GPU but also for the fans 🙂 Have you tried to play around with the Clevo Control Center fan settings? Usually you can use it to tame the fans to a degree although you have to keep an eye on temps. I usually like to have a curve that keeps noise in check up to ca. 80C on the CPU and 70C on the GPU but with a unified heat sink is it more difficult to allow the CPU to get hotter than the GPU, especially when both are under load.

Did you get the X580? Looks like the SACbomber account is gone - that is unusual!

Cannot currently be undervolted but from what I have gathered undervolting would not help you that much. In the thread about the new MSI Titan @SACbomber reported between -30 and -50mV which is pretty low so you would get much less of a performance bump via undervolting compared to last gen CPUs that for me were all undervolting in excess of -100mV.

The SSDs will heat up the motherboard to some degree and I have long wondered how much of an issue that would be. MSI and Clevo used to have their own self contained area with an array of up to 3 NVME SSDs some time ago but since then I have only seen the provision for cooling pads that connect to the mainboard. Does that mean it is safe? I would be a little bit sceptical if we are talking about writing terabytes to an SSD regularly but for everyday use it is probably fine. As a rule of thumb I try to avoid temperatures above 75C when transferring big amounts of data while shooting for regular temps in the low 60s or preferably less - quite high but such can be the realities in laptops. You can get HD Sentinel to check temps for yourself in the task bar and other parameters, too. It also warns you of possible failures. I have used the family license for years and highly recommend it, a test version is provided for free: Hard Disk Sentinel - HDD health and temperature monitoring

Yes, saw that too, pathetic. The pictures also tell the story of a rather bad Tongfang imitation with a cheap looking case. Severe lack of judgement on behalf of Medion coupled with a price that does not at all reflect the subpar performance.

Well, this has hundreds of posts, got a link?

Which main thread are you talking about?