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Ha, I was just trying to draw a connection with the "chicken and the egg" app problem, which despite Linux's obvious success in the server and workstation space is still keeping many "regular people" from using it as a desktop OS. Does it follow that because Microsoft and Adobe have a "partnership" to improve the experience of using their products together, that Adobe is not allowed to release software on Linux, if they want to? (It's clearly not stopping them from releasing their software for Apple products...)

I think maybe there is some confusion of Linus Torvalds (Linux guy) vs. Linus Tech Tips (YouTube channel / tech community)?

Upgraded to BIOS 1.20 yesterday. Today, I got a hard lock while working (not doing anything especially resource-intensive). Mouse unresponsive, keyboard unresponsive, system just frozen... and the fans revved up to max. Never encountered this before on this system. I had to hold the power button down to force the system off. ...Coincidence?... [Edit] Not chancing it, reverted to 1.19.

Not really. Linux was built from scratch with the intention providing a (mostly) UNIX-compatible user experience, but it was not directly derived from UNIX. I'm not sure if there is direct lineage between UNIX and XNU/Darwin (foundation of macOS), but macOS has received official "UNIX-compatible" certification since OS X 10.5. Practically speaking, they are certainly a lot closer to each other (functionally) than Windows is to either, and you can run a lot of Linux tooling on macOS without too much hassle. (Projects like MacPorts and Homebrew make it especially easy to get up and running with some things.) ...It doesn't especially help with the reverse, porting Mac apps to Linux. Most macOS GUI applications use Apple-specific UI frameworks and system libraries that don't exist on Linux. There is a fun project called Darling which aims to allow Mac apps to run on Linux (sort of like Wine allows running Windows apps). It's not progressing especially fast, but it is still in active development and apparently they can run "simple" GUI macOS apps now. I'm not aware of big software vendors (talking like Adobe, AutoDesk, Oracle, Corel, etc.) having "exclusivity deals" with either Microsoft or Apple, do you have any sources on this? Anyway you are right, it is very hard for another platform to get started up once the existing ones become entrenched. The same thing doomed Microsoft's phone OS efforts after the smartphone market got into high gear with the iPhone and Android phones. Microsoft tried really hard, but no matter what they did, no one would make apps for it because there were no users, and no users wanted to use it because there were no apps.

Does Intel have any way to set up game-specific profiles, sort of like what you can do in NVIDIA Control Panel? (I.e. To override a specific game's rendering behavior, set a framerate limit, or do some other things that the game might not have built-in options for.) I've never seen anything like this with Intel iGPU drivers.

I think it basically comes down to money and return-on-investment (or lack thereof). On one hand, it's obviously possible to build high-quality multi-platform software that runs on Linux in addition to Windows and macOS. (Look at Firefox/Chrome/Edge.) Fully realized complex but closed-source applications for Linux are also out there and making money (VMware Workstation, Microsoft SQL Server, ...). I saw this answer from someone who used to work at Adobe on his perception of why Adobe doesn't release their software for Linux. Why doesn't Adobe think of releasing its suite to Linux? I worked for Adobe as an engineer 5 years ago. I was not in on these meetings and my knowledge is out of date, but I can add a little info. First they do think about it. All the time. Adobe's customers are mostly creative, but inside we're mostly engineers who use Linux and support open software. (The PDF standard was opened and Flex from the start). But it just doesn't make businesses since. First, "Linux" is not just one OS, its many. Adding Linux support would be a huge -HUGE- engineering effort. And how many people would even buy it? To get an idea about how big an effort it would be, let's talk about testing. Just testing. Are you familiar with testing matrices? Thats when you get all the locals supported (eng, French, German, Japanese, Italian, ...) along one side. Then the operating systems (OSX, win 8, win 7, vista, XP) on another side. Then version on the other (stand alone, with creative suite, standard, pro, etc). Then the install path along another (clean install, update from last release, update from older release update from prev release with a different locale, etc). If you try to image that matrix, you'll notice there are more than 2 sides and a lot of frickin squares inside. If you add one more "row" say Ubuntu support as an OS, you add A LOT of tests. Enough that you need to hire new full time quality engineers. (Besides the regular engineers to add support in the first place). Does Adobe *have* to do all those tests? Yeah, pretty much. To not include different language support or to release a less-than-polished final product would hurt their brand more than just not supporting Linux. And remember, thats all assuming just one Linux flavor, say Ubuntu support. Would the BSD people still complain? Yes. Would Adobe sell enough Ubuntu versions to pay for all that additional engineering staff? Thats not my field, but I think probably not. They have *really* smart people who make those calculations and predictions. And thats why they don't support it. Again, I don't represent Abobe. This is just my impression of why, mostly based on hearsay from when I was there. Sort of a circular conundrum. For the businesses that create these big applications to consider making a Linux version, they have to perceive that the user base is there so that there actually is a return on investment. There aren't enough Linux users out there to buy a Linux version of Adobe CS and justify the cost of building it — which in some ways would be more complicated than building the Windows/macOS versions because of the variety of Linux distros/configurations out there. Oh, and the circular part is that the reason that there aren't enough Linux users is largely because such applications have not been built for Linux.

Check https://notebooktalk.net/attachments/ and see what is eating up your space.

You can visit this page to see what you have uploaded, what post it is attached to, see how much free space you have, and delete stuff. https://notebooktalk.net/attachments/ (I've gotta imagine the high-resolution PNG images posted in this thread are rather large and would quickly eat into the limit...) Once I realized that there was a limit on attachments, I just started hosting images externally. I also noticed that all you have to do is post the URL in the edit box; the forum editor will automatically transform it into an image and display it in-line, that's pretty nice.

The link posted in December still works. I updated the top post in this thread with the appropriate link.

Complex applications like this generally don't rank well with regards to compatibility with Wine. https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?iId=343&sClass=application https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=35781 There are sometimes tweaks that you can do to make things work better for one application. Sometimes that will break things for other applications which is why you see people using Wine "prefixes" to basically run problematic Windows applications on their own Wine configuration. As I understand it, "Bottles" are basically a way to bundle Windows software with a tailored Wine configuration and maybe an easy installer, but that's about it, they can't magically make Wine work better. I'm not too deep into this, but my impression is that there has been way more work lately to get Wine working well with games (largely because of Valve's investments, paying the CodeWeavers guys to work on Proton), so the Windows-games-on-Linux space is in pretty good shape these days, but that work hasn't exactly translated to greatly improving support for professional applications like Adobe CS / MS Office / AutoDesk products / etc. If you want to switch to Linux but you are tied to these products, the outlook is bleak 😕 I would suggest that you look at some larger, more Linux-specific online communities and see if anyone has had luck with your software running in Wine. Otherwise, if you can't use open source alternatives, the other option would be to run it in a Windows VM on Linux, or remotely on another Windows system. (Sort of a shame that this isn't a "solved problem" by now. I fully realize that it is a complex problem, but at the same time, Wine has been around 30 years. I'd switch in a second if I could expect "most" Windows professional applications to work on Linux without hassle.)

Some recent driver updates. Ethernet https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=99KJH Intel RST https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=88DXV Intel Management Engine https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=PVT7D

If you unpack this "driver", there are ICC profiles for 15 different Alienware laptop display panels (Alienware x15 and x17). One of these panels is also used in my Precision 7770 so I was able to use this. https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=cwkg5&oscode=w2021&productcode=alienware-x17-r2-laptop (Don't know if they have similar packages for older Alienware systems...)

I've had a few cases where my 7770 did something similar and to fix it I can just unplug the AC adapter and plug it back in. ...But if this issue is specific to the new BIOS version, maybe best just to revert? You "shouldn't" have to worry about sudden throttling.

Well, I was wrong about the fan curves. Basically, I didn't wait long enough I guess. I tried using the "Quiet" profile for a while, and it did raise the fan speed by around 400 RPM over "Optimized" ... but when I left it on that profile for 10 minutes or so, it gradually settled down to around 200 RPM less than what "Optimized" had been running at (around 1500 RPM, same as I was at when I noticed this problem to begin with). So maybe it's not getting worse, but it's still worse than it was a month or so ago.

Yeah, I can hear it as soon as it hits 1400-1500 RPM. (It is pretty quiet in my home office.) Hearing it at that low level doesn't really bother me (though 2000+ starts to be an annoyance), what is bothering me is the fact that it is going up from what used to be the baseline and temperatures are higher than reasonable for components operating at low load. My Precision 7560 setup is pretty similar and it is running almost 20 °C cooler (also fully silent, fans hanging out at 1200 RPM and below — and they are smaller fans). I'm also using Process Lasso to switch Windows power profiles automatically (when I start a game or other demanding application) and a custom tool will notice the power profile has changed and automatically change Dell's thermal mode. I generally use ANC headphones for gaming so 3000+ RPM is inaudible in that case.

Yeah, generally I care more about low noise than low surface temperature. I don't think they don't have the "Quiet" fan curve quite right. It is louder than "Optimized" on an idle workload — at least in this situation where the CPU is running at an elevated temperature. ... But it does appropriately have a lower speed on high load (it won't easily go up to high RPMs while running on "Quiet"). And running "Quiet" will also cap dGPU performance (but I think "Cool" does that too).

Reasonably confident that it's not a software issue. Nevermind the fact that there is no CPU load contributing to this heat, and that the EC independently controls the fans (without help from a driver or other software running within the OS)... I can also reproduce it in my Windows 11 install, which I have as a dual-boot option for testing but haven't touched in months.

It's really weird, this seems to be getting worse by the day. Now around 1600-1700 RPM if I use "Optimized" profile and 2200 RPM if I use "Quiet". 100-200 RPM increase since yesterday. When I first noticed this issue a few days ago, Quiet was running 1500 RPM. ...I used to be able to run Quiet and it would alternate between ≈1000 RPM and wanting to shut the fans all of the way off. I repasted again yesterday (doing a much more careful job this time) — cleaned the old paste off of the CPU and GPU and heatsink carefully, using Arctic MX-4 (maybe not the best but up there with the good ones, I've been using it in other systems with no problems). A different tube than the one I used the other day at that. Behavior before and after the repaste was the same. Talking about idle workload again. GPU powered off, CPU running 1.5 GHz at less than 2% load, the system should be able to run silently. Instead, CPU cores are around 64 °C and the EC feels it has to work to cool them off. No dust in the fans or grills (cleaned all that out a few days ago). Somehow, the cooler is just becoming increasingly ineffective? I wonder if a heat pipe is jammed up or something? I'm at a loss as to what could be causing it. If it's not an issue with the cooler, something is going wrong actually in the system itself and generating some extra heat. (The system is definitely hot to the touch, it's not just the fans going crazy for no reason.) It's not hot here. Woke up to 7 inches of snow. New cooler can't arrive soon enough!

Crazy. They have more than half a year already to prepare. I mean, I guess there's a lot of evidence against him, but still...

BIOS update 1.20.0. https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=24CYP - Fixed the issue where the system cannot detect the Dell DA310 USB-C Multiport adapter after updating the BIOS. This issue occurs after connecting the adapter to the system. - Fixed the issue where the system charges beyond the Custom Charge Stop set in the Battery Configuration in the BIOS setup. - Fixed the issue where a small logo screen is displayed first and later switches to the full screen logo. This issue occurs when the Full Screen Logo option is enabled and you boot the system. - Fixed the issue where system cannot connect to the BIOSConnect server with all the supported WLAN cards. - Fixed the issue where the system reboots repeatedly when USB bootable devices with longer product name and serial number are connected to the system.

At least with the part delay... I should be getting a new heatsink and not one that has been sitting around in a warehouse for months. (Better chance of getting a "good" one, I'd think.)

Are you still using the factory/stock paste job since you got the "golden sample" or did you redo it? (Just looking at the screenshot there, my dGPU temp is like 15+ °C higher than yours with nothing really going on. Gotta get this fixed! 😛 I should have called in for the better heatsink swap before now.)

The new heatsink should come with new pads and factory applied paste, so hopefully it works well enough like everyone else’s newer heatsink and I’ll just hold out until then.

Repasted. Observations: Repaste brought RPM speeds down 200-300 RPM, enough to be "silent" again, but not all the way down to 1000ish RPM. I probably didn't do a great paste job (shaky hands / sort of in a hurry) but good enough for now. ........."Optimized" profile is quieter than the "Quiet" profile, huh? If I switch to "Optimized" it will drop to the 1000 RPM range, and if I switch to "Quiet" it shoots right back up. Guess I'm using "Optimized" as my low-power profile from now on? ("Cool" and "Ultra performance" run at higher fan speeds than "Quiet".) I'll have to test with it and see if it ramps up more quickly (which I do not want). Also, got a notice from Dell on the heatsink shipping. They put an estimated ship date of March 24 on it. Good thing this isn't a part that I need in a hurry?

How many devices? 40 doesn't really seem like too much. I have a family of four here... On the network are four laptops, a Mac Mini, multiple phones & iPads, at least three gaming consoles, a Blu-ray player, TV streaming boxes, a couple of printers, a handful of IoT devices, not to mention a few switches and three APs... Isn't that hard to get up to "tens" of devices.