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How did you configure the P16 with RTX 4090? It is not even mentioned in the PSREF, and I have no such option here 😞 What was the cost difference vs. the ADA 5000?

I would say that it will differ on two things, the actual configuration and the silicon lottery of the particular chip. Because it is a known fact that one i7 may operate at (for example) 1.2V, the other on 1.35V, achieving the same results with two digit difference in thermals. Numbers are wrong but you get the idea. But overall, I found the fan profiles and the power managament more potent and impactful on the Lenovo. Large chassis will have larger fans that move a lot more air, multiplied by the dissipation of the area of the heatsinks, so definitely better cooling. On the other hand, this is heavily influenced by the specific choice of fans, some may have unpleasant frequencies in their acoustic signature. There is a possibility that there are more fan suppliers for these laptops, just like you have 2 or 3 for Dell. I had some experience with the older P1 / X1E laptops (8750H/9750H era) and I would not touch that thing with a pole. YMMV.

Hey! Partly copied from my post on Reddit. I ended up ordering both, then I have done a 2 week evaluation. TL;DR, the P16G2 is a much better and refined workstation laptop than the Fury is. The reasons: Leagues lower and stable DPC latencies. I dont know what the guys at the HP are doing, but their drivers are terrible. Simply terrible. The whole machine has power, the numbers in benchmark are there, but the feeling is not. It simply was not so snappy as the Lenovo. I have tried both factory OS and a clear installation. No difference. Better than average results in benchmarks. For example CPU/GPU in Passmark. HP was always producing a tip below average or average results, Lenovo was always clearly above average, around 5-10%. For the GPU, the difference was even higher. I suspect the Lenovo equipped with A4000 would easily outperform the A5000 in HP under heavy load. Better fan management. With the right profile, Lenovo is dead silent to pleasantly quiet during browsing and lighter loads, and still quieter than HP under full load. The HP fans just blow with erratic spinning up and down, air pushed against the hinge. The SmartSense (or similar named) profile on HP Helps, but its not much of a difference. On the Lenovo, you can choose between maximum power, balanced and maximum efficiency. And the last one is the best. CPU results in benchmark go down but the temps drop 20-30° instantly, the fan noise completely disappears, and the overall power is still there. With the Lenovo, you can actually feel how the laptop sucks the air from underneath and moves it through the rear vents, its a massive amount. On the HP, half of air goes under the hinge, half above it , pushing against the display. Bad for the long term usage. Not even speaking about the fact that when docked, the HP venting area is obstructed massively, trapping the air underneath the screen. Metal around the keyboard dissipates the heat on the HP. VERY uncomfortable during longer sessions under full power, to the point of burning your fingers while holding keys longer. Battery life. The HP has a bugged Optimus (tried 5 different drivers and 2x OS reinstall, various results) that powers the GPU for a fraction of second to like 2 seconds. Does this 4 - 10 times a minute. The result is that the battery life sucks. Sometimes you get 70 minutes, sometimes you get 180 minutes. On the Lenovo, it was common to get 150 to 280 minutes without significant power saving measures. More power for the GPU resulting in more stable GPU performance. Noticeable in games during intensive scenes. Moreover, Lenovo features a MUX Switch, HP does not. What were they thinking. Keyboard is simply on another level. Noticeably larger keys with pleasant travel and feedback, visible key markings, actually usable arrow keys, backlight not bleeding through edges. Trackpoint, which may or may not be a plus, for me it certainly is. Oh, and it is a fully contained replaceable unit, no other stuff to disassemble or replace. Actually good hinge design on the Lenovo. Protruding above the main body, the upper screen edge is higher, resulting in more natural posture behind the laptop. I was shocked how much of a difference can those few centimeters make. Also this allows the rear to be fully utilized with ventilation ports and connectors. At least for me, this is the only rational way to do it on a workstation class laptop. This deserves a paragraph of its own. Physical power button that is not part of the keyboard and has a visible LED indicator. Funny how things that we took for granted in the past are now the selling points. Last but not least, the quality. Both screen lids can be twisted and bent, but it requires significantly higher force and dedication to do it on the P16. Same thing for the body. Believe it or not, the P16 with its plastic or composite body (i do not know the exact material they use) feels more sturdy and durable than the aluminium sheet body of the HP. You really have to hold them both in your hands to appreciate this. For a $6000 laptop, the fit and finish of the HP was below average. I would expect MacBook level of detail for such sum. You get sharp uneven edges, small imperfections underneath the paintjob, quite large gaps. I understand that this may not be important to most of the potential buyers, but for this sum? Its a shame. Now, keep in mind that I have started this whole thread based on my plan to retire the ZBook 15 G1 after 9 years of usage and move on to the ZBook Fury G9. Needless to say, did not happen. Ended up with Firefly 14 G10A and G11, both of them resulting in a disappointment and a decision to return to full sized mobile workstations. I was a huge HP fan and it makes me sad that I cannot continue using their products because of their bad designs. Of course, Lenovo also has its flaws, namely: Absence of RJ45 Ethernet on such large and expensive machine is unacceptable. For this price, the thing should have a 10Gbit, or at the very least a 2.5Gbit port. The small area above the SmartCard reader is flimsy and can be bent. Palmrest is very thin there. It is only a small area near the edge and likely will not cause any issues, but it should have been reinforced more. It has only 2 M.2 internal connectors. Not a problem for me, but such a device should have at least 3 if not 4 like the HP does. The WLAN module is a BGA unit, not user replaceable. It is replaceable on the HP . CAMM RAM with its higher frequency would be the better option, at least in my opinion. Two USB-A ports on a workstation device is a nuisance. But such is the state of the laptop market right now. Overall, the Lenovo is not a perfect laptop, but it is a much better device than the HP is. In the end, I chose to return both due to the current apocalypse regarding Intel CPUs, but if it will be resolved, I am ordering the Lenovo. If it wont, then I will have to wait for the Arrow Lake HX + Blackwell combo and hope that it will be just a facelift, not a new model with potential issues. Currently typing this on a borrowed, refurbished HP Elitebook 840 G5 with 8250U, my fingers hurt, my eyes bleed and my patience is at its limits.

Well this escalated quickly. Ended up ordering a full-spec G11 along with mid-spec P16 G2 (13700HX / ADA 2000). Should be here next week. Will evaluate both against each other & then I will do a CTO. If anybody wants to compare specific areas / behaviours / results, let me know in this thread.

Hello, Around this time last year I have decided to replace my trusty old HP ZBook 15 G1. I went lighter and smaller with the Firefly 14 G10A, equipped with AMD 7840HS CPU. Now, the machine was fine when it worked, but it had constant small bugs and issues (WHEA errors, DPC latencies, enormous POST times, booting to black screen with only mouse visible, random freezes or slowdowns..). The MediaTek bluetooth adapter was pure evil. So, a year later, I have sold it and opted for basically the same machine in newer version and with Intel CPU - Firefly 14 G11, Core Ultra and RTX A500. This was last week. With this machine, it was all the same, different, but same. No WHEA errors, this time it was about 4 bluescreens in a week - driver power state failures. POST times even longer. Blinking screen when connected to a dock. Also iGPU driver crashes. Returned the thing within the return window. Not to mention the immense heat around the QWERTY area when under load. Very unpleasant to touch. Now, I am sure I want to go back to the trusty, bulletproof workstation machine with a proper cooling solution, that I once had, which lasted me for almost a decade. It needs to have a serious NBD warranty in case of hardware failure - this rules out almost every brand except for Dell, HP and Lenovo. Dell is a No-Go for me, due to no high-refresh panel on their 16" model and very poor QC lately. Was reluctant to go Lenovo for a long time, but the ThinkPad P16 Gen2 sort of speaks to me. Perfect screen for my needs - 2560x1600 @ 165Hz. High TDP graphics @ 115W. Superior keyboard to about everything out there. My specs would be something around i7-14700HX / 13850HX, 64GB RAM, ADA 3500 and 1TB drive. This brings me to around 3800€ w/o VAT. With ADA 4000, thats about 4200€. Three year warranty on this. Problem is, at about 4500€, I have the opportunity to buy full-spec HP G11 Fury with ADA5000 and 14900HX, 128GB RAM, 2TB drive, 4K DreamColor screen and 4 year warranty. HP is way more serviceable and upgradeable with option to do 4x M.2 drives. However, there is that limited GPU TDP @ 90W, and their warranty coverage and support response is probably the worst from these brands. The HP keyboard is worse compared to Lenovo. No trackpoint. 4K screen is worse for my needs than the sweet spot of 2560x1600, even if I liked the Dreamcolor very much when i had the G9 for evaluation What should I do? My top priorities are reliability, stability and longevity. The P16 is way less repairable at the board level, but if the design is good, it should not need repairs. I have the opportunity to purchase 13700HX / ADA2000 P16 and return it within 14 days, to evaluate, but I am not sure of this. I just hate purchasing stuff and then returning it, I dont want to cause damage to the store by giving them back an unpacked & used product.

Hello, Yesterday I have sort of impulsively bought a new laptop. It is the new ZBook Firefly G10A, in specification as follows: AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 7840HS 64GB DDR5 5600MT/s 2TB PCIE 4.0 SSD 16:10 2560x1600 120Hz IPS DreamColor Backlit, SC, WLAN, BT, IR CAM, FP, basically full options 5Y On-Site Warranty All of this was brand new, out of HP authorized reseller for €1480. I thought it was a crazy deal, what do you think? Anyways, Laptop is pretty well made, looks and feels just like Fury but smaller. Keyboard has a better tactile feedback. I have measured 28400 points in Passmark PT11, average is 24200 so quite nice. Will definitely try firestrike. If you have any questions regarding this machine, or if you want to add your input, feel free to do it here 🙂

I played games on the A4500 and it was good. Definitely more future-proof with the larger 16GB VRAM. Although, nowadays I would def go for the newer Ada RTX GPU.

Not considering other stuff, that display is the sole reason that Fury is the best choice ATM. I yet have to see a better LED illuminated laptop display, and I have seen hundreds of not thousands of them. The cooperation with DreamWorks was truly the real start of the DreamColor displays, but nowadays, who knows, I doubt the screen manufacturers receive any input from DW or HP, I bet the HP just picks the best panel available ATM. Where did you get this? When I go to the product page, it says that the QuickSpecs are still TBA: https://www.hp.com/us-en/workstations/zbook-fury-specs.html Well, we are still stuck with the 230W nonsense on the G10 & I worry what the next generation will bring. I think this might just be the last generation that has CPU and PCH as a standalone elements, not as a SoC. Funny thing, QuickSpecs mention availability of 5600MHz DDR5 RAM for the new Fury, but the SODIMM limitation still sits at 4000MHz. Is this purely marketing BS or am I missing something?

Guys, if anybody here can do a measurement, will M.2 slot (the upper one) on G9/G10 accept M.2 22110 (110mm) SSD? I have a NOS Optane 905p that I would like to use.

I somehow expected this to happen, but its sad anyways. I liked the previous logo for the exact same reasons.

So, exactly as I thought. Nothing changed, except for the CPU&GPU. Sad.

Well, I would also like it more if they did it in a way the ThinkPad P16 chassis is done, but the cooling is capable on this machine, cannot argue with that. Being a pessimist myself, I think that the only thing they will do is stuff new CPU & GPU inside. PS: A bit OT, but look at the "new" Asus ExpertBook B6 Flip. I do not like Asus laptops in general, but thats one perfect laptop, both by internal & external design. And the connectivity options! If they can do it in this price point like this, I wonder why HP just cannot do better, when they can go three times up in cost.

Enclosing some photographs so you can see what my rant is about.

So, throughout this February, I had an opportunity to use this evaluation unit. Configuration i9-12950HX / A4500 / 32GB / 2TB / 4K DreamColor 120Hz / Premium KBD Backlit / SmartCard / FP / NoWWAN. Needless to say, I had a mixed experience. To sum it up, starting with the good: It has probably the best screen that I ever experienced on laptop in the last 10 years. 3840x2400@120Hz, great colors, wonderful and even backlight, no bleeding, just perfect for both work and gaming usage. 16:10 is a godsend. Audio quality is top notch, speakers ale clean, crisp, even got bass. Definitely best sounding workstation that I ever had the opportunity to test, even among the multimedia laptops it sounds good. Keyboard feels very precise, durable and just expensive by its mechanical feeling, but the size and layout is something that I would need to accomodate to. I made a lot of mistakes during fast typing. Touchpad, both by surface and buttons, is flawless. Fast, precise, nothing wrong to say here. Despite its bulky appearance, it is definitely more compact than my old Zbook 15 G1. Must be the thin bezels. It can actually cool itself within normal temperatures of 70-85°C, not staying at 100°C the whole time. Vaporforce just works, and with some additional tweaking (repasting and repadding) the cooling could be even better. I was not allowed to disassemble the machine. There are downsides though: My unit capped the CPU power at 95W, but I suspect this to be an issue with the factory W10 image. I updated the drivers and BIOS, but nothing changed. Still varied between 55-95W, with one ocassional jump to 99W that I only managed to do once. This means that CB R23 results were around 17200-18000 points. On the low side for this CPU, like the Precisions. Similar to CPU, the A4500 GPU was capped to 90W, could not go past that. What is interesting, is that even during peak CPU+GPU load, the GPU temperature was only around 62-64°C. There definitely is a headroom for more power. GPU reached 7700 points in Superposition 4K, around 25k in FireStrike Graphics and 9100 points in Time Spy Graphics. I still dont get why the heck do they use a 230W PSU. Only the already bottlenecked 90W+90W CPU/GPU combo pulls 180-190W of power, not counting the hungry panel, WLAN, PCH and peripherals. It is just not enough. At least 280W, better yet, 300W PSU would be adequate solution for this laptop. The fans behave quite good, no ramping up and down, but they run most of the time. And they have that turbine sound signature during heavy load. The bottom cover was not nearly as nice fitted to the palmrest as they used to on the older units. Also, the sliding door was wobbly in the middle, which caused annoying noise upon putting the unit to hard surface like table. Similar to flapping a sheet metal in hand. Not something you would want in laptop for this price. The other parts of the body were rock solid though. DRAM and M.2 units are covered by EMI shields, which are then taped to chassis or heatsink by mylar tape. I like open spaces, not this, it will look bad after first disassembly. Overall, I still think its a good workstation, but it just has some flaws that will need to be adressed, and I hope that the G10 with Raptor Lake and Ada Lovelace GPUs will be more refined. Something like A3500 Ada (speculated TDP 100W) could be a better fit for this machine, as it will go practically full power without bottleneck, retaining the raw power of A4500 Ampere. I am still in the market for a new workstation later this year, and the Fury G10 is #1 candidate for now, but I will probably stick to something like i7-13850HX or so (i see no point in i9) and +- 100W GPU, i.e. the lowest one that will be available with VaporForce.

Hello, It was extracted from a HP ZBook G4 with this exact card. The values may be same, but it is a HP signed vBIOS that will work with main BIOS on these machines 🙂 Enclosing my modified vBIOS. You will need the NVIDIA NVFlash with Board Id Mismatch Disabled to flash it. Zbook15_Mod.rom