Easa
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Guys, if anybody here can do a measurement, will M.2 slot (the upper one) on G9/G10 accept M.2 22110 (110mm) SSD? I have a NOS Optane 905p that I would like to use.
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I somehow expected this to happen, but its sad anyways. I liked the previous logo for the exact same reasons.
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So, exactly as I thought. Nothing changed, except for the CPU&GPU. Sad.
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Well, I would also like it more if they did it in a way the ThinkPad P16 chassis is done, but the cooling is capable on this machine, cannot argue with that. Being a pessimist myself, I think that the only thing they will do is stuff new CPU & GPU inside. PS: A bit OT, but look at the "new" Asus ExpertBook B6 Flip. I do not like Asus laptops in general, but thats one perfect laptop, both by internal & external design. And the connectivity options! If they can do it in this price point like this, I wonder why HP just cannot do better, when they can go three times up in cost.
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Enclosing some photographs so you can see what my rant is about.
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So, throughout this February, I had an opportunity to use this evaluation unit. Configuration i9-12950HX / A4500 / 32GB / 2TB / 4K DreamColor 120Hz / Premium KBD Backlit / SmartCard / FP / NoWWAN. Needless to say, I had a mixed experience. To sum it up, starting with the good: It has probably the best screen that I ever experienced on laptop in the last 10 years. 3840x2400@120Hz, great colors, wonderful and even backlight, no bleeding, just perfect for both work and gaming usage. 16:10 is a godsend. Audio quality is top notch, speakers ale clean, crisp, even got bass. Definitely best sounding workstation that I ever had the opportunity to test, even among the multimedia laptops it sounds good. Keyboard feels very precise, durable and just expensive by its mechanical feeling, but the size and layout is something that I would need to accomodate to. I made a lot of mistakes during fast typing. Touchpad, both by surface and buttons, is flawless. Fast, precise, nothing wrong to say here. Despite its bulky appearance, it is definitely more compact than my old Zbook 15 G1. Must be the thin bezels. It can actually cool itself within normal temperatures of 70-85°C, not staying at 100°C the whole time. Vaporforce just works, and with some additional tweaking (repasting and repadding) the cooling could be even better. I was not allowed to disassemble the machine. There are downsides though: My unit capped the CPU power at 95W, but I suspect this to be an issue with the factory W10 image. I updated the drivers and BIOS, but nothing changed. Still varied between 55-95W, with one ocassional jump to 99W that I only managed to do once. This means that CB R23 results were around 17200-18000 points. On the low side for this CPU, like the Precisions. Similar to CPU, the A4500 GPU was capped to 90W, could not go past that. What is interesting, is that even during peak CPU+GPU load, the GPU temperature was only around 62-64°C. There definitely is a headroom for more power. GPU reached 7700 points in Superposition 4K, around 25k in FireStrike Graphics and 9100 points in Time Spy Graphics. I still dont get why the heck do they use a 230W PSU. Only the already bottlenecked 90W+90W CPU/GPU combo pulls 180-190W of power, not counting the hungry panel, WLAN, PCH and peripherals. It is just not enough. At least 280W, better yet, 300W PSU would be adequate solution for this laptop. The fans behave quite good, no ramping up and down, but they run most of the time. And they have that turbine sound signature during heavy load. The bottom cover was not nearly as nice fitted to the palmrest as they used to on the older units. Also, the sliding door was wobbly in the middle, which caused annoying noise upon putting the unit to hard surface like table. Similar to flapping a sheet metal in hand. Not something you would want in laptop for this price. The other parts of the body were rock solid though. DRAM and M.2 units are covered by EMI shields, which are then taped to chassis or heatsink by mylar tape. I like open spaces, not this, it will look bad after first disassembly. Overall, I still think its a good workstation, but it just has some flaws that will need to be adressed, and I hope that the G10 with Raptor Lake and Ada Lovelace GPUs will be more refined. Something like A3500 Ada (speculated TDP 100W) could be a better fit for this machine, as it will go practically full power without bottleneck, retaining the raw power of A4500 Ampere. I am still in the market for a new workstation later this year, and the Fury G10 is #1 candidate for now, but I will probably stick to something like i7-13850HX or so (i see no point in i9) and +- 100W GPU, i.e. the lowest one that will be available with VaporForce.
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Hello, It was extracted from a HP ZBook G4 with this exact card. The values may be same, but it is a HP signed vBIOS that will work with main BIOS on these machines 🙂 Enclosing my modified vBIOS. You will need the NVIDIA NVFlash with Board Id Mismatch Disabled to flash it. Zbook15_Mod.rom
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You probably just got a lemon. Happens. I had 5-6 RMA Issues back on M4800, zero with Zbook G1 🙂 But it is true that the HP service just does not compare to Dell, thats a whole different league. Anyways, my contact in HP just responded after holiday slumber, I will have this configuration for a review: https://www.lasystems.be/en/hp-62u90ea-abh
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How would you compare it to 7670 / 7770 built quality wise? Keyboard typing, overall quality ? AFAIK All HP laptops always had the option to "FAN Always on" or "FAN Always on while on AC Power", so it is somewhere in the BIOS, look under Advanced => Built-in Device Options.
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Unless you have a specific desire for the Radeon, just throw M2200 in there with modded vBIOS. Hassle-free, works like a charm.
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I am just happy that this thread is showing signs of life. Thank you guys.
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Hello, like I asked in the PM - I am interested in direct comparison. Quality of materials / build quality, does it feel good? Are gaps even, no sharp edges etc? Keyboard feeling (do you had RGB or classic one?), touchpad responsiveness and action, hinge movement. Is the chassis stiff? Any bending or wobble? How was the overall performance? Is the Vapor chamber really beneficial? Temperature and noise management, fan behavior? Anything else worth mentioning? If you could write up some summary about the machine, few sentences maybe of what you like and what you dislike?
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Guys, member a few pages back when I told you about 18" laptops? 🙂 https://www.notebookcheck.net/Next-gen-Razer-Blade-18-specs-leak-out-along-with-impressive-Geekbench-scores-for-Intel-s-i9-13900HX-mobile-CPU.667619.0.html Sorry for the off-topic post, but there were a few ppl interested here. -
Yes, Hybrid Graphics Enabled, UEFI Booting with CSM Enabled for first run, BIOS Flash & driver installation, then UEFI without CSM. Works flawless. BTW: Machine is now fully capable of running DOOM: Eternal FHD@60FPS. Yay!
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Thank you ! My ZBook is equipped with FHD IPS screen (Samsung panel) but it spends about 95% of the whole usage time docked with lid closed, connected to Dell Ultrasharp U2415.
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The whole story including some benchmarks. The laptop was originally shipped with Quadro K2100M (+- on par with GTX660M). I have managed to get a M2000M for a very cheap price (30$) back in September this year, so I swapped it, the difference was immediately there. After a few weeks or so I have found even better card, the M2200 on Ebay, in New Old Stock, sealed package (HP Genuine Spare Part) that cost me quite a penny, around $170, but since I sold the former K2100M for $100 and the M2000M will sell on Ebay for even more money, this was basically a free upgrade. So, two days ago I have pulled the machine apart and M2200 replaced the M2000 as my current GPU. Even though the card was a spare part for ZBook 15 G4, a flash with stock ZBook 15 G4 vBIOS was needed as my machine was not recognizing the card at all. BIOS was provided to me by a good guy on Techpowerup forums. Should anyone decide to go this road, you will find the BIOS in this thread. Next, DDU uninstall of old drivers, installation of new drivers with modded .inf file, quick basic testing, everything works fine. To add a little "finishing touch" to this, I have modified the stock BIOS a bit, going from 1036MHz to 1205MHz Core clock and from 5500MHz to 6000MHz effective memory clock. This was done without changing the TDP or voltage levels, I suppose I could go even higher with that, but I am satisfied with this. The card runs very cool, cooler than both K2100M and M2000M, staying in the 62-72°C load temperature range. Time for a little benchmarks. Just to clarify, I do not have any benchmarks with the old K2100M, but as far as I can remember, it performed pretty average, maybe a bit above the values you can find on Notebookcheck. Value B (Before): represents the former configuration (M2000M, Stock vBIOS, +135MHz via Afterburner), value A (After): represents the current configuration (M2200, modded vBIOS) B: Sky Diver Graphics: 14937 A: Sky Diver Graphics: 21693 B: Fire Strike Graphics: 4619 A: Fire Strike Graphics: 6916 B: Time Spy Graphics: 1298 A: Time Spy Graphics: 1994 Overall, the performance increase was around 50% in 3DMark, surpassing the stock GTX965M, hitting the peformance levels of a stock GTX 1050 Mobile or Quadro P2000 Mobile. For almost a 10 year old laptop, I consider this a great success. vbios_hpzbook15g4_10de_1436.rom
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M2200 should arrive today, I have original Zbook G4 vBIOS ready, hoping for the best ! 🙂 BTW@Aaron44126 IIRC you posted something a while ago regarding Maxwell BIOS mods, I have tried to mod BIOS on my M2000 but always get an error when flashing (mismatch etc.), I will try to mod bios for this M2200, do you have any tips for successful flashing please?
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Buy non-original battery ...or not?
Easa replied to 6730b's topic in Pro Max & Precision Mobile Workstation
For Haswell and newer Dell laptops I strictly recommend using only original, genuine Dell batteries. Do not purchase those from Ebay or Aliexpress, they are not original even if they look like. Compare the battery that was in the laptop with the chinese "genuine" ebay one, and you will see that the markings and font used are different. Dell is probably the most sensitive about batteries out of all laptops. -
Hello, M2200 is Maxwell generation (GTX9xx) but due to its different chip and transistor count it is way above M2000, hitting the performance level of GTX 1050 (+-3%). Plus, you can modify the BIOS and overclock. I did not measure the results with the original K2100M that i had prior to upgrade to M2000, but I will certainly measure the difference between M2000 and M2200.
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Yes, they used to be, in the times when maximum CPU power output was about 45 to 65W tops, along with 100W dGPU. You have to account basic thermodynamics in the equation. Laptop cooling has advanced exactly nowhere in the last two decades (apart from the high blade count fans). To cool down 165W GPU + 157W CPU and sustain those values, you would need a laptop heatsink with a total heat dissipation surface area similar to something like NH-U12A cooler from Noctua. Would you buy a 5-6 kilogram laptop with a thickness of 5+ centimeters? I know that they are users who would, but the market for such devices is irrelevant for major players like Dell, Lenovo or HP. Laptop manufacturers are only half the problem. Intel with their 157W "mobile" CPUs is the other half. There is no true DTR in the current world. Never was. My opinion is that if a laptop of sane dimensions like 7670 or Fury G9 can sustain even 200W of continuous power output without throttling, it is a success BUT there is no point in putting top end components inside, when they will perform exactly like the lesser parts due to power limitations.
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Would you mind adding your observations / more info on Fury 16 G9 to its general thread here on NTBTalk, so we can concentrate info? I would also like to know if you tested out the actual GPU power draw.
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Do you have some list of modifications / tweaks that you do to make the OS lighter and more suitable for professional / administrator user? I have my own tweaks but I am curious what others do.
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Thank you! Even though some of laptops shortcomings listed in my post are sad news for me, it is not a deal breaker like you said. I have finally decided to skip this generation and say goodbye to Haswell ZBook when Raptor + Ada ZBook (G10?) will be available (if the feedback on G9 will be good). As for the GPU, I am looking at A3000 level from Ada Lovelace generation (L3000?) which should be on par with current A4500, so I somehow can accept the 80W TGP, but it would be great to have dynamic distribution and go beyond 100W. I may try to pull some strings and get a sample for review.
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As I have said earlier, laptop repair is part of my living, so I know many of them inside out. I can tell you with great confidence that HP (remember we are talking about business or workstation class laptops, not Pavilion or other consumer toys), on average, have actually the best PCB designs out there. Solid CPU and battery related circuitry, basically everything is repairable, no epoxy-underlined BGA nonsense like Lenovo or Apple does, you can find manuals or schematics for every board, no problem getting spare parts. Very good QC. They have their downsides - prices of both system and spare parts / accessories are noticeably higher than Dell, customer support is worse (but I have no experience with their NBD support). Also, you wont get benefits of a fanbase that Dell does have (and the many pro users willing to share info / tweaks). I actually started a thread here regarding the Fury G9, but shipping of those systems on a larger scale is delayed until mid december, so we will have to wait for feedback. I am hunting high and low for any info. You will find everything there, but talking about the cooling, it seems to be better, it has Vapor chamber for systems with A3000 and upper GPUs. Regarding the MSI, well, because the support for MSI products is simply a nightmare, both in-warranty and out-of-warranty / aftermarket. Their service is horrible, incompetent, wothless, almost unqualified. When the warranty ends, spare parts are either extremely expensive (the better case) or unavailable (which is pretty often) - anything from fans, hinges, keyboards, you name it. Hard time finding manuals or schematics for board repair. Anything made of plastics on their laptops will broke off, its just a matter of time. Lenovo is a bit better (parts are available, better build quality than MSI, schematics can be found) but many important parts are glued to the motherboard with epoxy adhesive (the whole BGA) so the chances of repair are slim, should any large fault arise during your ownership. I know that you probably wont think of this as an issue, the laptops are consumables these days, but if you are like me and tend to use one system for 6-10 years, it is important to know where to look for. I am typing this on a ZBook 15 G1 (2014 Haswell) which one and only fault during its lifetime was a worn out keyboard (I wrote ALOT on it).
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