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Dicey, depending on the software/title. Roughly 1/3 of the 13900K performance. I keep hearing current CPUs aren't enough to feed the 4090 (desktop).

Wouldn't you need a CPU to match?

I can assure you that my existence/experience is not in the slightest compromised by not gaming on a flagship NVidia GPU, in fact it’s greatly enriched by that, including through the resulting gigantic time savings. It’s pretty arbitrary how people define the quality of their experience. A mobile game addict will say all they need is a flagship phone and a few hundred per month spent on microtransactions. Another guy will claim nothing but driving a Bugatti will do 🙂 Occasionally these days, someone will rate their existence in terms of the quality of their creations, what books their read etc., or in terms of the degree to which they have been doing the right thing for their community, their country, the world.

Hmm, that was released over 3 years ago, but I can totally see your point. I can’t believe how much I paid for a 9800 GX2 15 years ago. Those tech purchases can haunt you forever lol /s

“That much” is actually appropriate. The jump from Ampere to Ada was much larger than that from Turing to Ampere, which was kind of meh on the architectural level - they worked around this by scaling the GPU and VRAM, resulting in a “large” 3090 unit. Now, thanks to the seriously improved Ada architecture, they were able to offer a decent performance uptick while actually slashing VRAM specs sub 4090. With 4090 they released a chungus-class device with fast VRAM, hence the unprecedented in recent history performance improvement. To maintain anywhere near that momentum they would need another spectacular architectural breakthrough, probably still coupled with faster VRAM and bigger chassis. A 6 slot GPU for $3K anyone? Apart from bro @electrosoft who already preordered 🙂

Yeah, there should be a setting to disable this permanent remapping behaviour especially in an enthusiast product. I wonder if NVidia or partners would honour an RMA based on memory OC triggering fake permanent loss of VRAM. Perhaps VBIOS reflashing can reset the remapping...

It's probably called adjustment to the population baseline.

Interesting, wasn’t aware of this, same output on my 3090ti. Guess that feature might only apply when ECC is enabled (in which case NVCP shows most of that as well, at least on Linux). Regardless of whether this requires ECC or not, it indicates permanent memory damage, and the remapping will persist for the lifetime of the GPU according to NVidia. Edit: reading further, it seems that once the driver identifies a region of memory as faulty, it’s marked as unusable and remapped such that it will never be used again. Pretty sure this requires ECC to be enabled. OCers’ dream!

You need a higher-end laptop with TB3/4 for that. USB-C won’t cut it. There are also card size and PSU limitations, 3 slot max on the largest units, 2x8 pin in the Razer (the PSU can be upgraded at an extra cost though).

I think humanity would survive that one. MP gaming was already rife with game-breaking cheating years ago when I quit. Anyway, too bad there is no footage of the actual thing in action, but based on the description I suspect this MSI implementation will turn out to be a gimmick. Also, it probably wouldn’t be too difficult to ban offending monitors lol

Any technological breakthroughs that would yield that much improvement? How much larger can the NVidia flagship card get? Will NVidia prioritise gamers (20% of the business now?) or Jensen’s beloved AI?

The enthusiastic and helpful gentlemen's advice on how to build the best desktop is second to none, but it would only make sense to follow that if you have a real need for the device, the space for it, and - crucially, given the cost - the funds, with no way of allocating them that would benefit you more.

That is a worrying reference in this context since dragons generally breathe fire under stress 😂 BTW speaking of our “friends” at NVidia: China's military and government acquire Nvidia chips despite US ban

Sorry, forgot to mention you will be taking an 8GB VRAM haircut. I would not bother unless I had a specific need for this (i.e. a particularly annoying framerate issue that’s not satisfactorily resolved via a settings adjustment). Would not worry about synthetic benchmarks at all. Plus, big bonus citizenship points for not giving Huang/NGreedia any money unless absolutely necessary. I realise this is easier said that done, it’s a test that can take substantial willpower, but it does feel really good if you pull through. Kind of like resisting getting ripped off on microtransactions in your favourite EA game.

Depends on the load, but basically those cards are made to withstand a lot. One year of 24x7 is 8760h, those consumer cards can take many years of full load without breaking a sweat. Would not worry about it from the reliability perspective. The 4080S would indeed be a bit of an upgrade (ca. +20% since your 3090 performs like a 3090 Ti), unless something is memory-bound in which case there would be a 25% hit.

Intel Clear Linux. It’s a less well known distro but beats Windows signiticantly in some native benchmarks, and certainly in practice.

Thanks for sharing bro. This scared the hell out of me, I will just continue avoiding Windoze to be safe 😉

You probably missed the posts where @ryan shared the nature of his health issues, including some medication details.

It just depends on the intended use and whether you enjoy tinkering and tuning Intel CPUs. If it’s just gaming and light productivity then likely no need to worry about thermals and little to no tuning would be needed. As for heavy workloads, good luck: the heat flux over the 13900K die at stock full load is said to exceed that of a Bunsen burner lol Then again, this inefficiency can be optimised away. derBauer has an OK video on that.

You can UV 13900K to deliver bulk of the stock performance while drawing 225W-250W. I would assume 14900K is pretty similar in that regard, although not sure if it is capable of delivering more performance per Watt in that range. Either way, if you are planning on using all cores in those CPUs, then a 240 AIO would likely prove highly frustrating.

It would appear that this thread has veered off the topic. Given the presumed seriousness of the situation, I would again suggest that the owner should prioritise his time and money spend on health. Would a new PC benefit him, or should they buy say a new bike and exercise more if possible, and eat better food for instance? Even if the new desktop was still on, as we know, the budget would be limited so discussing the merits of MAXED OUT 4090 PERFORMANCE is perhaps not so helpful here. In the end it’s just mostly quite silly repetitive entertainment, just delivered with higher fidelity and fps which do suffer from diminishing returns.

Well, well well, looks like corporate promises are made to be broken.... Google erases 'Don't be evil' from code of conduct after 18 years As regards the current GPU pricing situation, incidentally same root cause as Google's betrayal of founding values in 2018 (rapid advances in AI), but beyond that the system is working as per the flawed setup (in practice the biggest scumbag gets to run the corporation etc.)

I’m sorry to say that following this kind of advice likely cost me at least $500 on a new mobo alone. In the end I found the frame to be a completely unnecessary and harmful gimmick promoted by the influencers, I guess similar to the failed 12VHPWR adapters. The stock ILS is perfectly adequate and stable. My replacement ILS-only 13900K system has been working without a hitch for months, as opposed to frequent temp degradation with the frame installed, and eventual damage to the mobo (and likely the CPU as well, as it required a delid afterwards). The trick is to pay attention to the play in the arm, and align that prior to latching. The more ethical influencers (GN) caveated their sponsored reviews with repeated warnings against possible socket damage, given the impossibility of reproducing factory-level frame alignment without specialist tools, and I only have myself to blame for ignoring that sensible advisory. Sure, someone who’s built hundreds or perhaps thousands of PC configs may feel completely comfortable but that’s an outlier and not a basis for a generally-applicable and unconditional advice. Can’t argue with the initial aesthetics though, although obviously the frame may or may not be actually visible in a fully assembled system 🙂

More like „The Musk Debacle”, although there is a Twitter angle since apparently his behaviour got worse since the takeover: SpaceX charged with illegally firing workers behind anti-Musk open letter

Sorry to hear bro. This is quite serious stuff. Feel better soon and take good care of yourself. The most important thing is for you to get better, the desktop can wait. @Custom90gt would probably be in the best position to advise further on this thread. @tps3443 might have had the right idea, circumstances permitting.