Raiderman

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well it looks like Safedisk got handed another extraordinary silicon sample, as usual. I wonder how many ASUS had to bin and cull to find this one. Unless you have one this good I don't think it's possible to find much benefit in owning an X870E Apex if you have an average 9950X/X3D sample. $800 is too costly to justify with an average CPU. The Gene gave me no real benefit over the Cabron other than the crappy gamerboy MSI firmware that is missing important settings.

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29442873/

 

About 2,000 points higher than my best.

 

Speaking of bin quality, I need to do more testing to confirm it, but I think my second 9950X might be a lot better than the first one installed in the Gene.

Slightly better than my 9950X pos I sent back to AMD @~43000 cb23 🙄

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

 

I come from the generation of carrying around Compaq luggables that weighed 18-20lbs easily and I loved 'em!

 

 

 

 

I come from the generation of lugging a viewsonic 19" CRT to Lan parties that weighed in excess of 40lbs, full tower with 4 HDD's striped etc. Oh what fun it was though!

On 2/12/2025 at 5:44 PM, Mr. Fox said:

If I were the god of eBay and Mercari I would ban the sale of anything computer-related that was released to market less than 180 days ago and make it to where nobody could sell anything new within 180 days of launch day, and beyond that only allow selling one GPU per year, per account. Also block prices above MSRP for anything new and sealed, open box capped at MSRP -10%. Kill the  scalpers where they stand. Turn the tables and let them find out what it is like to get screwed. Ruin their ability to profit and basically only allow them to sell at a loss. They do not deserve to experience how a free market economy functions because they are exploiting stupid people. Should treat them them same as people that take advantage of mentally handicapped people.

 

I appreciate you guys. Thanks for the thoughts and prayers. I'm home now, a little bit bruised and bloody in a place where you don't want that but otherwise doing pretty good. Super tired feeling right now. I am glad I took tomorrow and Friday off LOL. I am the kind of guy that goes from the hospital straight back to work without missing a beating but I don't think so this time. According to the doctors and nurses present for the procedure I missed my calling and should be a stand-up comic because I was making them all laugh with the things I was saying when under anesthesia. The surgeon said that he would have to find out what it was and get some for himself for later. Of course I have no idea what it was because I was anesthetized. And I don't feel like I was having a good time right now. 

 

Sorry I posted twice in a row. I'm laying in bed using my phone and I don't have the ability to merge or cut and paste the entire content from one post another using a smartphone. I'm actually surprised that the Redmond Reprobates allow Winduhz 11 24H2 users to have more functionality than Android and iOS users since they are trying so hard to emulate smartphones.

Been praying for you brother!

8 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

In my arsenal atm:

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(These are all 15.6" laptops)

 

Dell G15 13650HX w/ 4050

Asus Vivobook OLED Core Ultra 7 w/ 3050

Asus Vivobook OLED Core Ultra 9 w/ 3050

Acer Nitro AMD Ryzen 5 7535HS w/ 4050

NH55 golden 12900k w/ 3070ti

 

Incoming:

 

MSI Raider 18" 7950HX3D w/ 4090

 

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I'm going to need to downsize the top list sooner than later.

Even after my great laptop selloff in late 2023 (Sold 4 of them), I have the above.

 

 

@electrosoft I knew you were a hardware slut, but I did not have a clue of how dirty, and nasty of one you are! 🤣🤣

On 2/1/2025 at 3:47 PM, Mr. Fox said:

You have to lower your 14900KS to 5.0GHz or COD won't load?

 

Even though I don't think 5090 is worth buying at the current price, I probably wouldn't be buying one if it was priced at the same MSRP as the 5080. I still have about $4K worth of medical bills from 2024 (deductible and co-pays) and will be racking up another $3800 in deductible and co-pays when I start my cancer treatment on 2/12.

  

The combination of random lousy DDR5 memory samples and fussy/finicky nature of Ryzen CPUs can be very frustrating. The only memory that works excellent for me with the 9950X are the 2x16GB G.SKILL Neo 8000 sticks. The G.SKILL 2x24GB 8000 XMP kit is crazy flaky with it. The 2x24GB TG Xtreme 8200 kit works OK with the 9950X but doesn't work as well as the 8000 Neo. The XMP and EXPO profiles universally suck. The 9950X doesn't even want to POST with the G.SKILL XMP 8000 profile. It easily boots the TG 8200 XMP profile, but seems laggy with the 2x24GB modules. Manual timings are the only thing that I can say actually works well. What's interesting is that any of them work fine and perform about the same installed in the Z790 Apex.

 

Moving from the 4-DIMM Cabron (yes I meant to type that) to the 2-DIMM Gene didn't really change anything in terms of performance but the memory overclock got easier and requires less memory voltage. I haven't tested the G.SKILL XMP 8000 48GB kit or the TG Xtreem 8200 48GB kits on the Gene mobo but there's probably nothing to be gained since the EXPO 8000 32GB kit works great and I don't have to waste time re-tuning everything if I just leave it alone. I don't really know what is different about the EXPO kit because I am using custom manual timings, but the EXPO kit seems to always cooperate.

Right now I am running 8100mhz with xmp profile on my gskill 2x24gb modules. I haven't tried to tune any timings yet, but I've never been able to use xmp on the X670 board, I had to manually set everything.

Found an old image from a few years back Ryzen 3900X and 1080ti.

I skipped some pages, too far behind). Was anyone able to snag a 5090 at msrp? Or did scalpers clean everyone out? I see the egg is out of stock on everything, so I'm assuming the latter is true?

Well, got a new board, gigabyte aorus elite x870E, and no Windows 10 drivers for the realtek wifi module. I absolutely loathe windows 11 nearly as much as I loathed windows 10 from 7. After a few years of hacking, tweaking, and creating a personal theme via windows style builder, I could use windows 10 without constantly having the taste of vomit in my mouth. Now microshaft is pulling the same crap they did in 2015, and it's pathetic. I remember the days when I was running Windows XP Alpha's as daily drivers, because I couldn't wait to try the next gen OS coming from Redmond. Now I do everything I can to stay away from the Filth they release now days. Linux has had decades to put something worthwhile out to compete, but I've yet to find anything worth my time or effort to make the switch completely.....sigh.

Hardware addictions aren't nearly as fun as it used to be!

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

What needs to happen is NVIDIA (and any other company) that cooperates with China in any way gets all of their patents revoked and everything they produce is automatically gifted to the world as open source and free for the taking.

 

Also needs to happen with Micro$lop, Intel and AMD. Need to make it a law that they have to provide newly released hardware driver support back to the initial RTM release version of every OS produced for the greater of 3 OS generations or 15 years. If they do not, patents are denied or revoked and their products (hardware and software) are gifted to the world as open source. If they try using their lies that the old OS doesn't "support" certain feature they want to implement they can choose between not implemented or being forced to provide an update for the OSes they (falsely) claim lack support.  Windows 2000 and Windows 7 will support any and all hardware features introduced in 2025 and beyond except for the deliberate actions taken to prevent support.

It's stupid and deliberate manipulation. I'm getting fed up with it!

56 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I don't remember which cooling component vendor mentioned it, maybe it was Alphacool, but it's going to be enough of a pain in the butt that it would not surprise me at all if nobody makes a block for it. If the AIB cards use a conventional PCB layout instead of that cobbled together abortion they might just say no to the idea of making one for the FE card. If I were a manufacturer of GPU waterblocks I'd say no to that one. Not worth the hassle. They would have to build some kind of frame to hold the pieces rather than just attaching everything to a brittle piece of acrylic.

 

The cynical part of me believe that the Green Goblin did this deliberately to impair any kind of aftermarket modification and to make repairing (versus buying a new GPU) more difficult.

 

Yes, Roman brought that out in his video. I can't help but think seeing a @der8auer video highlighting that historically below average performance bump is going to not set well with some people entertaining the idea of dropping a ton of money on a 5090 if they already own a 4090. I hope that sales falter hard at launch and NVIDIA has to lower the price to 4090 MSRP to move inventory. That would be awesome.

 

Not that I care much, but I am eager to learn what the deal is with the radio silence on Radeon 9070 XT. I don't recall whose YouTube video it was, but I heard that retailers have had them in stock for over a month but can't put them up for sale yet. AMD has not given them a green light to sell or given any guidance on pricing. Maybe AMD are waiting on NVIDIA products to launch in order to see where the 9070 XT falls into the performance stack with NVIDIA's cards so they can decide how much they can charge for it. It would be hard to price and market something accurately if you don't have a clue what it compares to with the competitor's product or the price of that product.

I'm hoping AMD has a higher end card in the waiting, the 9070 does not peak my interest in the slightest. Nor does the 5090 with it's gold plated price tag.

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

I'm seriously starting to think I can not accept a 15% markup (plus tax) on an already $2k card. I can't see paying $2300+tax= $2452 for a video card again. I say again, because I paid 2585 initially for a KPE 3090ti but it at least came with a 1600 Platinum PSU AND I was able to get them to knock it back down to $2k+ tax. I remember feeling near instant regret within a week or so of having bought that paying that much for a freakin' video card to bench and game on. I was very happy to sell it 3 months later and get back everything I put into it and I'm still using that PSU to this day in my main rig. 🙂

 

Even an FE is going to be $2132.50 out of my pocket after tax.

 

Ugh.

 

I'm going to have to mull this over seriously while I also see how the 5070 Super and 9070XT perform. I already know a 7900xtx w/o RT on is pretty righteous already in its own right at the right price. My biggest fear is WoW running into issues again like it did before and dragging on for over 10 months and basically being unplayable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Welcome to the dark side my friend. It's absolutely ridiculous to have to pay that kind of money for a gpu. For that kind of money it should s*** gold bricks, and serve breakfast in bed.

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Holding out:

 

@Mr. Fox

@Papusan

 

Going with the flow:

 

@electrosoft

 

Definitely buying:

 

@johnksss

@jaybee83

@tps3443

@Talon

 

Did I miss anyone? 🤣

🤷‍♂️

I know this guy will not be spending 2K for a GPU. That is just silly. I will wait for AMD's high end release and enjoy 5080 performance for a fraction of the cost.

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, the Gene is arriving later than expected. The shipper must have gone on vacation a few days because it stopped moving for 4 days once it reached the US. Now it is expected this coming Friday instead of Monday. ☹️ I hope I love the Gene. Looking to grab the X870E Apex when it becomes available, but hoping the Gene will make me happy in the meanwhile.
 

I went ahead and started the return/refund process for the X870E Carbon. Nice motherboard other than being 4-DIMM (big strike against it) but very mediocre firmware support. If I were a typical gamer type I'm sure I would love it to death, but being more into overclocking it leaves a lot to be desired. MSI doesn't seem to pursue my niche as hard as some of their competitors do. They still need to fix the bugs in their firmware though. Every update seems to help one thing but throws something else off a bit. Running the latest beta BIOS fixed the broken Per CCD overclocking option, but on this new BIOS I have weird random glitches like both of the onboard NICs not being detected and once in a while when I boot everything is larger size like CSM mode is enabled even though it is not. Both of those glitches go away with a reboot, but putting up with nonsense like that is for the birds.

 

Edit: Oh, a third glitch I just remembered that it does is the screen image in the BIOS randomly is the wrong size (not full screen) with fuzzy text and missing UEFI wallpaper. It generally coincides with everything being larger on the screen during POST like CSM is enable even when it is not. Rebooting almost always straightens it out on the first try, but it is still inexcusable. MSI has released a ton of BIOS updates since I purchased this. It seems like their firmware team doesn't really know what they're doing. I've heard AMD firmware is easier to screw up than Intel because of all the extra crap AMD requires them to include in the BIOS. Whether true or not I don't know. Just wondering if that is part of why they (MSI) keep missing the mark.

 

Exactly how I've felt about my X670 Carbon. Buggy as he'll, and there is always something wrong. I've never been happy with it.

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I have not found any except for the overpriced options sold for PC cooling. Do you know of one that does not have the specs printed on the tubing that is reasonably priced? I won't buy the Tygon tubing sold for use on PC because it is extremely overpriced and a poor value.

 

It is also difficult to find Tygon in the tubing size I use (13mm ID x 19mm OD) and buying all new fittings in the smaller 10mm ID x 16mm size would be very costly. I have been using the larger tubing size for years, but it seems to be losing popularity for some reason.

Bought my tubing on ali-express. Bought some from Home depot, and didn't like the spec stamp.

Well, temps didn't change on my newly delidded 9950X, @Mr. Fox thinks it's because I forgot to purchase liquid metal, and used standard arctic silver 6, as do I. If that doesn't bring the temps down to the same level as Mr. Fox's, I will purchase the same block as him.

Excited to try my newly delidded 9950X, thanks to brother @Mr. Fox. Hoping for some good temps. Thank you my friend @Mr. Fox for helping me out! It will be back home tomorrow 🤙

On 12/10/2024 at 12:29 PM, tps3443 said:

 

I have found a lot of the AMD and Intel guys are a bit heavy with their emotions and brand loyalty. I totally understand that AMD has grown in to a great performing CPU and it’s definitely not just the value chip anymore. But people completely throw rationality out the window sometimes. My brother is a huge AMD fanboy. I get in to debates with him via text/call like all the time 🤣 Sometimes it really feels like he’s gonna get AMD tattooed on his cheeks man. 

 

 

I learned my lesson on tattoo's after I had 3DFX, and ATI inked on my biceps. 🤣

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

That's absolutely awesome, bro. I am excited that you are getting into that. I look forward to seeing what kind of cool creations you come up with.

LOL, not really but I am willing to help a friend (any friend) when the opportunity exists. If I do too many I might develop an repetitive stress injury. To get the IHS off of mine I had to shift the IHS back and forth like 75 or 80 times. I can see why Roman uses a cordless drill with an allen bit now. I am not going to do that, but the thought did cross my mind when I was tightening and loosening the screws that many times. A one point I wondered if it was going to actually turn loose. Then it did. It moves such a small distance each direction that it is not hard to understand why it was tedious. It didn't make any unsettling noises like I sometimes hear when shoving an Intel IHS off the die in one uninterrupted motion.

 

It is absolutely worth doing though. The thermal improvement is no less dramatic than it is with an Intel CPU. Maybe even a little bit more since the CCD chiplets are so small. It's too bad that was not true with the 5950X delid. Part of it is likely the Mycro Pro direct die block. That thing is amazing.

Well, I didn't mean to create work for my friend @Mr. Fox. He just said he'd help me out, so I wanted to give him some online forum love!

He knows what a mess my family and I are going through, and as a true friend, he said he could do it for me! Thank you my brother!

I took the 9950X out today and cleaned it all up, and is ready to ship to brother @Mr. Fox to do his magic. He's been having all the fun, and I wanted to get in on some of it.

On 12/5/2024 at 11:56 PM, ssj92 said:

Didn't come out as nice as I had envisioned (hard tubing was hard to bend LOL) but still was a fun build:

 

 

Just a test at 4.6Ghz:

 

Looks great! You had way more patience than I did. I was going to hard tube my loop, and it only took one attempt at bending that crap, before it all ended up in the trash can. 🤣

58 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thank you. I've having to relearn everything that is for sure. I think I am getting way better results using fixed all core and manual voltage than PBO, which is actually exactly the same for me on Intel. eTVB and opportunistic core boost truly sucks.

 

Here's my best so far... This is with the EK CR360 AIO. I am going to have to get the Heatkiller block on it until I buy a der8auer delid tool and Mycro bare die block.

 

 

Brother @cylix it is the G.SKILL 8000 sticks that my Ryzen setup does not like. I put in the TeamGroup Xtreme 48GB kit and it boots and runs 8200 like a champ. Interesting. There must be something in the G.SKILL 8000 SPD default settings that causes it to fail to POST on Ryzen.

 

 

What makes it ever more odd is the G.SKILL sticks run identical to the TeamGroup Xtreme in the Apex Encore. No differences in performance, settings or voltage. I just put the G.SKILL memory on the Apex Encore and *BOOM* there it is! The G.SKILL 8000 kits (both of them) have always worked fantastic. I only bought the TGX because it has no RGB and they're covered up with waterblocks so RGB may as well not exist.

 

 

Already better then what I've been able to do with my limited time.

17 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I know a lot of people think brother @Papusan and @Mr. Fox are bat-poop crazy for hating on Winduhz 11 so hard, especially newer versions, (also including the newer Windoze 10 cancer,) but we actually do our homework. If performance was better we would actually be using it as our preferred OS. The ugly part is subjective and fixable. Try as we may, people are still going to think we are nuts and form their own misinformed opinions and continue to believe the lies that it works better. Well, bless their hearts.

 

The only way to know is to test.  All of my systems boot multiple operating systems and it immediately becomes as plain as the nose on your face which one sucks when you can reboot and run the same tests back-to-back among OS versions and watch the newer ones reveal their suckiness. It leaves no wiggle room for speculation on which one deserves the most hate. CPU and memory performance have declined and degraded with newer OS versions. Graphics performance sometimes improves and sometimes regresses. That part is inconsistent.

 

The Redmond Retards add silly gimmick features to entice gamers into running their crappy cancer OS and pray nobody notices what a steaming deep dish colon loaf it is. And, guess what? Most of the gamerboys don't notice. No, my surprised look is not on my face. Us old farts know what we're talking about most of the time. Windows 11 is a pile of crap. 

 

Even Jufus the potty mouth has documented that the claims that newer versions of Winduhz run better is a load of crap. Even as recently as the 9900/9950X release he debunked the excuses that AMD fanboys were making that Windoze 11 needed an update for the new CPU to work right. I generally view the opinion that newer OSes work better as a sign of inexperience and ignorance. Some smart people believe that and it is probably because they make assumptions rather than exercising due dilligence and testing, or they are not doing the right tests.

 

Even if the latest cancer OS performed exactly the same as every version before it, who wants to own a zombie computer and have the Redmond Reprobates stealing data and making all of the decisions about what happens with the OS? Hard to believe there are many otherwise intelligent people that drink that Kool-Aid. Letting Micro$oft decide what happens is essentially a plan for failure if you like the idea of having a system perform at its best. Believing the next update or version release of Winduhz will improve performance is utterly insane, and contrary to historical evidence that suggests the complete opposite should be expected.

  

It will be interesting to play with the 9950X and discover what my opinion will be in the end. Parts arrived yesterday so I will install them today or tomorrow.

 

I'm not sold on 3D v-cache being all that, but probably because I am not a gamer and don't value that as much as gamers do. It is good that 9800X3D is not as terrible at productivity as its predecessor. The idea of buying an 8-core CPU doesn't really do anything for me other than invoking a feeling of disgust. That seems very lame to me by current standards, kind of like saying 8GB of RAM is enough. It might work, but it's barely adequate for much more than email and web surfing.

 

For the same reason, I was offended that the Core Ultra 9 flagship was downgraded to 24 threads from its predecessor's 32-thread i9 flagship and I didn't like the 285K before it released for that reason alone. I was surprised that it didn't perform worse than it does, but losing 8 threads and having lower boost clocks with less P-core overclock headroom is a downgrade to me no matter what angle I choose to look at it. It would be hard for me to find something to be happy about because of both of those things. I never like the concept of doing more with less. That always rubs me the wrong way no matter where the concept is applied.

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Looks like I lucked out on the 9950X purchase. It is now sold out at NewEgg and I purchased it for $110 less than launch price.

 

Maybe Core Ultra 9 adopters will get lucky with a similar price drop in a couple of months.

Here's to hoping you get that 9950X screaming. My lack of time has made it impossible for me to tweak/test nary a thing with mine. I know for a fact it will get better with future bios updates!

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That might be when I test the water. Depends on what they do. I'm always watching though.

 

If any stones need to be cast (at either Team Red or Team Blue) I will throw them as hard as I can. There is no mercy for selling lackluster components or buggy crap. 

 

Hopefully you get a better chip than I did. Both of those prices are cheaper than I paid for the same set up 2 years ago. I have had only minutes here and there to try and test and tune. And that is basically the same board as @electrosoft and I have, except USB 4? I have not had a chance to compare between the two.

56 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes it certainly could be if it overclocks better than a 9950X does. I'm not very interested in stock performance though, because a CPU or GPU that doesn't overclock well is very boring and of zero value to me even if it is the most powerful option available for purchase. The fact that it will overclock at all will be an improvement over previous X3D chips since they were locked down.  I'm not very optimistic but open-minded when it comes to AMD. I am not a brand-loyalist, but I do hold a grudge when I'm not happy about things turn out.

 

Let's cross our fingers and hope they do something different and better that what Brother @Raiderman described about his experience with 9950X, which sounds remarkably similar to (maybe not as bad as) the new Core Ultra rubbish. I don't buy hardware on the basis of it being better for gaming and don't care too much about that.

The 9950x is still a beast of a chip. I think I may be able to hit 47k in CB 23, and 246K mips in 7zip. I need to check the waterblock contact.

17 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

After being thoroughly disgusted with Core Ultra and disappointed that they even brought it to market, I loaded a 9950X and X870E Taichi into my shopping cart. The grand total is about $200 less than a 285K and Z890 Taichi. That initially piqued my interest.

 

Then I spent a couple of hours on YouTube and OC.net and HWBOT.org seeing if there was any good reason to check out. I decided there wasn't. Nothing new is as good as what I already have that is not new. Either way, Red or Blue, it seems like I would be spending $1,000+ for something not better, which makes no sense. I hate how that feels. I think that is what the future holds in store for all of us regardless of what brand one prefers.

 

What surprised me is how hard it was to find anything good to judge by online. Not many AMD overclockers out there other than a small group benching sub-zero. Most of the handfull that are benching Ryzen are using insanely overpriced ASUS ROG boards and I ain't going down that road, LOL. I was surprised that there are quite a few high end X870E motherboards without one single benchmark submission on HWBOT. And why is it that I can't find any 2-DIMM AM5 motherboards for sale other than lackluster ITX models. I thought the limited selection on the Intel side was bad, but it seems 2-DIMM AM5 boards are essentially non-existent. Why?

 

There are less than 600 benchmark submissions with 9950X and less than 3100 with 7950X. No ASRock submissions on X870 and less than 700 X670. There are like 10K submissions with 14th Gen i9 and like 18K 13th Gen i9 submissions.

 

I don't understand this. With all of the poking around that I did on HWBOT, there was one very cool thing that I did discover though, and that was that you are truly exceptional, brother. Why are there so few Ryzen owners that are interested in overclocking? The oc.net threads are also kind of subdued. I was surprised by this. I was literally about to punch the button to check out and changed my mind just like I did with the 285K and Z890 Taichi. This makes me feel very sad about what the future holds for us all. Things are not looking good overall. 😞

  

I think the same thing that is wrong with all of us. We all want to think the best and we are all more optimistic than we probably should be. 

 

One of the main reasons that there are no AMD overclockers, is because you dont overclock anymore. You undervolt, and change voltage curves so the chip will boost higher at certain points. Its not a lot of fun, hence my lackluster enthusiasm as of late. Unless you are running some LN2, there is no point in changing multipliers, and increasing voltages, as it becomes very unstable.