Lenovo Legion 2023 discussion

[jlp0209]

14 hours ago, saturnotaku said:

 

I'd love a display like Razer's where you can switch between 4K/144 Hz and 1080p/240. Even then, that's still not likely to be enough to get me to switch from the Pro 7i. 

 

Side note: Lenovo has released an updated GaN charger that supports 140W on 2023 Legions via 20V/7A. It also apparently supports the proper PD3.1 standard via 28V/5A. No idea why Lenovo didn't implement the latter on the laptop itself, but whatever. I just received the 135W 20V/6.75A charger, but I'm probably going to grab the 140W one this week, too.

 

Buy Lenovo Legion 140W GaN Adapter for Gaming Laptops-Voptronics

 

I just attempted to order using the link and as I checked out it said Paypal invoice already paid and wouldn't let me pay. Fantastic. 

[saturnotaku]

2 hours ago, jlp0209 said:

I just attempted to order using the link and as I checked out it said Paypal invoice already paid and wouldn't let me pay. Fantastic. 

 

I ordered this morning. I got a confirmation from PayPal but not the merchant, but the order status says "processing" so I assume it went through. I can always file a complaint if I don't hear anything.

[saturnotaku]

Received a shipping confirmation with tracking number for the 140W GaN charger. Hopefully it shows up in the next two weeks (I paid for the slower delivery option).

[jlp0209]

15 hours ago, saturnotaku said:

Received a shipping confirmation with tracking number for the 140W GaN charger. Hopefully it shows up in the next two weeks (I paid for the slower delivery option).

I'm still unable to place an order due to PayPal error. I'll need to contact PP I guess. Interested to hear your impressions once you receive the charger. 

[saturnotaku]

18 hours ago, jlp0209 said:

I'm still unable to place an order due to PayPal error. I'll need to contact PP I guess. Interested to hear your impressions once you receive the charger. 

 

One thing I hadn't noticed in the announcement is that the full 140W is only available over the laptop's USB-C port. When using a Lenovo slim tip to Type-C cable, it tops out at 135W. And while you should take this with the requisite grain of salt, the company claims reasonable gaming performance on a Legion laptop when using the adapter, at least with the RTX 4060. I might just have to benchmark it myself. I don't want to add DOTA2 to my Steam library, but I do have SotTR.

 

 

[ryan]

I'm thinking my next laptop is lenovo. How are the thermals. Curious if it thermal throttles and at what frequency the cpu tops out at. 7i seems to be one of the better choices. Although the oled zenbook 14x has me interested with its 4070, I think  lenovos 4080 7i is a better purchase! Thoughts?

[KING19]

On 5/12/2023 at 7:21 AM, saturnotaku said:

 

One thing I hadn't noticed in the announcement is that the full 140W is only available over the laptop's USB-C port. When using a Lenovo slim tip to Type-C cable, it tops out at 135W. And while you should take this with the requisite grain of salt, the company claims reasonable gaming performance on a Legion laptop when using the adapter, at least with the RTX 4060. I might just have to benchmark it myself. I don't want to add DOTA2 to my Steam library, but I do have SotTR.

 

 

 

It is possible due to the fact that the RTX 4050, RTX 4060, and RTX 4070 dont use their full wattage.

 

 

[jlp0209]

On 5/12/2023 at 7:26 PM, ryan said:

I'm thinking my next laptop is lenovo. How are the thermals. Curious if it thermal throttles and at what frequency the cpu tops out at. 7i seems to be one of the better choices. Although the oled zenbook 14x has me interested with its 4070, I think  lenovos 4080 7i is a better purchase! Thoughts?

@saturnotaku- finally received the SlimQ updated adapter, works perfectly so far with the Pro 7. 

 

@ryan- you shouldn't get thermal throttling under normal gaming loads. GPU never exceeds 80 degrees and CPU occasionally can hit low 90s spikes but more often than not operates under 90. QC is hit or miss. I had a Pro 7 that thermal throttled simply by launching Cinebench, not even running. There was a 15 degree core temp difference among CPU cores, I think my older post had a photo of it. This is not the norm, my current system is flawless and silent when doing anything other than gaming. 

 

That Asus is half the weight of the Pro 7 with what looks like a total system power draw of 125w? Not sure if that's just the GPU or total system draw? Totally different class of laptop. Unless you want the portability and the OLED screen, the Pro 7 obliterates it in every way. 

[ryan]

I was thinking a downgrade on the gpu front might be worth the gain in oled. I know @saturnotaku and the rest of you know your stuff and in the end saves me research work. Do you know what the vaiable 4090 options are lenovo wise?

[KING19]

46 minutes ago, ryan said:

I was thinking a downgrade on the gpu front might be worth the gain in oled. I know @saturnotaku and the rest of you know your stuff and in the end saves me research work. Do you know what the vaiable 4090 options are lenovo wise?

 

There are some RTX 4090 options on lenovo's site but you're going to be spending over $3000 for one especially in your country (Canada) unless you get lucky with coupons and using cashback sites like Rakuten, Honey, and etc.

 

Here the cheapest one i can i find

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1745684-REG/lenovo_82wq002tus_16_legion_pro_7.html

 

I think @saturnotaku posted this link before.

[ryan]

Yeah thanks alot. Looks like I'll be saving for a few months. Currently broke and in a rut but that will change soon enough. 3400cad doesn't seem too bad

[jlp0209]

Yeah...so...the 4090 model is now selling for $2609.99 at Microcenter! Anyone have any success with them price adjusting after the 15 day return period ends (but within 30 days of purchase)? This is a great price. 

 

Lenovo Legion Pro 7i 16" Gaming Laptop Computer Platinum Collection - Onyx Grey; Intel Core i9 13th Gen 13900HX 1.6GHz - Micro Center

 

*Edit- their website community forums says they'll adjust within 30 days of purchase, so it may be worth a try for me. Paid $2799 for mine. 

[saturnotaku]

2 hours ago, jlp0209 said:

Yeah...so...the 4090 model is now selling for $2609.99 at Microcenter! Anyone have any success with them price adjusting after the 15 day return period ends (but within 30 days of purchase)? This is a great price. 

 

Lenovo Legion Pro 7i 16" Gaming Laptop Computer Platinum Collection - Onyx Grey; Intel Core i9 13th Gen 13900HX 1.6GHz - Micro Center

 

*Edit- their website community forums says they'll adjust within 30 days of purchase, so it may be worth a try for me. Paid $2799 for mine. 

 

Hit up the live chat on their website. Explain the situation, then they should contact the store where you bought it from to approve the adjustment. Then you would go there, explain what happened, they should see in their system that you're getting some money back, and proceed with the transaction right there. That's at least how it went down for me when I got some money back for my 4080 model.

[jlp0209]

18 hours ago, saturnotaku said:

 

Hit up the live chat on their website. Explain the situation, then they should contact the store where you bought it from to approve the adjustment. Then you would go there, explain what happened, they should see in their system that you're getting some money back, and proceed with the transaction right there. That's at least how it went down for me when I got some money back for my 4080 model.

Thanks, I am too late. I didn't have time to make it to the store after work, was not about to sit in traffic for 90 minutes each way. Gotta love Chicago...hate it more and more each week but I digress haha. 

[saturnotaku]

21 hours ago, jlp0209 said:

Thanks, I am too late. I didn't have time to make it to the store after work, was not about to sit in traffic for 90 minutes each way. Gotta love Chicago...hate it more and more each week but I digress haha. 

 

Is the store in Westmont not an option? Maybe it would take you less time to get there since you wouldn't have to deal with inner city traffic LOL

 

On a side note, I would say it's a good thing that your payment for the 140W USB-C charger didn't go through because I've been having all kinds of problems with the seller. Long story short, the package was not delivered and is being returned to them. I'm now pursuing a refund, and if I don't get any satisfaction I'll be filing a PayPal claim.

[jlp0209]

4 hours ago, saturnotaku said:

 

Is the store in Westmont not an option? Maybe it would take you less time to get there since you wouldn't have to deal with inner city traffic LOL

 

On a side note, I would say it's a good thing that your payment for the 140W USB-C charger didn't go through because I've been having all kinds of problems with the seller. Long story short, the package was not delivered and is being returned to them. I'm now pursuing a refund, and if I don't get any satisfaction I'll be filing a PayPal claim.

Yes that is the store I bought mine from. I live and work in the city and it was a 90 minute drive each way at the time. I probably could've (should've) gone to the Chicago store but that would also take 45 minutes each way. I saw the price at a bad time of day for traffic and couldn't go later in the night when it is calm. Didn't want to end up paying more for tax at the Chicago store. 

 

Sorry you're going through hell with the charger transaction, at the very least PayPal should cover you. Keep us posted. 

[saturnotaku]

On 5/26/2023 at 1:18 PM, jlp0209 said:

Sorry you're going through hell with the charger transaction, at the very least PayPal should cover you. Keep us posted. 

 

I just received the refund without having to get PayPal involved so that was a satisfactory ending. I've seen the charger for sale on AliExpress now, but I'm not sure if it's the same seller so I'll just wait until they pop up on fleBay since that's where I got my 135W. 

[ryan]

lenovo 4080 timespy?

 

does anyone have benchmarks of the 4080 lenovo 7i 4080?

[jlp0209]

Just wanted to post an update since I got my system a couple months ago. Over time I noticed temps creep up until last week when I noticed my e-cores hit 100c when gaming. My 10 min Cinebench scores also plummeted due to CPU thermal throttle. I decided to repaste and discovered horrible LM application from the factory, it was seeping and pooled along one side of the CPU and against the protective foam barrier. They used as much LM as I'd normally use if I were using regular thermal paste. Also saw what looked to be a semi bare spot on the die with a stain, at the same spot on the coldplate. The heatsink was likely not properly placed along with way too much LM. 

 

System is performing amazing after repaste. Before and after photos below. FYI, isopropyl alcohol breaks down the protective foam barrier around the CPU, so be very careful. 

 

 

[KING19]

On 6/21/2023 at 11:57 AM, jlp0209 said:

Just wanted to post an update since I got my system a couple months ago. Over time I noticed temps creep up until last week when I noticed my e-cores hit 100c when gaming. My 10 min Cinebench scores also plummeted due to CPU thermal throttle. I decided to repaste and discovered horrible LM application from the factory, it was seeping and pooled along one side of the CPU and against the protective foam barrier. They used as much LM as I'd normally use if I were using regular thermal paste. Also saw what looked to be a semi bare spot on the die with a stain, at the same spot on the coldplate. The heatsink was likely not properly placed along with way too much LM. 

 

System is performing amazing after repaste. Before and after photos below. FYI, isopropyl alcohol breaks down the protective foam barrier around the CPU, so be very careful. 

 

 

 

I see you're using Honeywell 7950. Good choice.

 

Its best paste for gaming laptops especially for the Lenovo Legions since they wont work correctly with other thermal paste brands.

[Bullit]

What a sad state of affair regarding quality workmanship at Lenovo.

[jlp0209]

22 hours ago, KING19 said:

 

I see you're using Honeywell 7950. Good choice.

 

Its best paste for gaming laptops especially for the Lenovo Legions since they wont work correctly with other thermal paste brands.

Just for the GPU, I cleaned and re-applied LM (Conductonaut Extreme) to the CPU. A big part of me wants to try PTM on the CPU but I don't think it'll work out well considering the heatsink etc., was designed to take LM. I ordered the PTM from Moddiy and it took over two weeks to arrive. Should've ordered more than just a 40mm x 40mm square to keep handy. We'll see what happens with the new LM, I've never experienced anything like this with a laptop or desktop in terms of LM movement. The heatsink fits into its grooves and looks all finished when replacing, but you need to give it an extra press / push further into its grooves for it to be seated properly. At least on mine. I missed it the first time I put it back together and got high temps and needed to take a 2nd look, which did the trick. 

 

19 hours ago, Bullit said:

What a sad state of affair regarding quality workmanship at Lenovo.

 

They need to learn how to properly apply LM, for starters. 

[Eban]

6 hours ago, jlp0209 said:

The heatsink fits into its grooves and looks all finished when replacing, but you need to give it an extra press / push further into its grooves for it to be seated properly. At least on mine. I missed it the first time I put it back together and got high temps and needed to take a 2nd look, which did the trick. 

 

 

 

Good pointer. Thank you for sharing!

[steakikan]

https://www.gizmochina.com/2023/06/30/lenovo-legion-y9000x-2023-laptop-debuting-july-22/

Seems Legion 7 replacement is coming soon

[saturnotaku]

2 hours ago, steakikan said:

https://www.gizmochina.com/2023/06/30/lenovo-legion-y9000x-2023-laptop-debuting-july-22/

Seems the real legion 7 replacement is coming soon

 

That link is utterly worthless.