Dell Precision 7690/7790 Pre-release Thread

[yslalan]

On 2/5/2024 at 12:31 PM, Aaron44126 said:

Wouldn't be surprised if there are select versions of the CPUs that do have the pro features (i.e. 14950HX) that just have not been announced yet.  Or, they could brand them differently...  Before 12th gen these CPUs were released under the "Xeon" brand.

I heard from a reliable source that there will be no ThinkPad P16 Gen3 this year due to the lack of the vPRO HX CPU product line.

 

Probably, this may also apply to Dell and HP workstation lines.

 

Not surprised at all, Both Nvidia and Intel didn't refresh their products this year. 

[Aaron44126]

12 hours ago, yslalan said:

Probably, this may also apply to Dell and HP workstation lines.

 

Huh.  Yeah, maybe, this makes sense.  I do doubt that there would be a Precision 7000 system without vPro and ECC and such features.  And yeah, NVIDIA doesn't have anything new to offer yet, and I doubt that you could get much more out of a 14th gen HX CPU than you could get out of a 13th gen given the power constraints in these systems.  So it could be a good year to skip, and that could explain why there has been no mention of "7690"/"7790"/"7890" showing up on certification sites or in the Dell parts list.

[1610ftw]

On 2/18/2024 at 3:51 PM, Aaron44126 said:

 

Huh.  Yeah, maybe, this makes sense.  I do doubt that there would be a Precision 7000 system without vPro and ECC and such features.  And yeah, NVIDIA doesn't have anything new to offer yet, and I doubt that you could get much more out of a 14th gen HX CPU than you could get out of a 13th gen given the power constraints in these systems.  So it could be a good year to skip, and that could explain why there has been no mention of "7690"/"7790"/"7890" showing up on certification sites or in the Dell parts list.

 

Or it just means that Intel is late to announce the special CPUs that are needed for workstations. But I agree that it is more likely that this CPU cycle we will see that the big manufacturers release nothing.

 

MSI obviously does not wait for special CPUs so they have already announced a few workstations including the CreatorPro X18 HX with a 270W power envelope but nothing so far from Dell, HP and Lenovo and those are all companies that would wait for somethink like a 14850HX.

[yslalan]

15 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

Or it just means that Intel is late to announce the special CPUs that are needed for workstations.

Most likely not.

 

It can be said with certainty that Lenovo won't update their P16, and the P16 Gen 2 will be an SKU lasting 2 years.

 

[1610ftw]

7 minutes ago, yslalan said:

Most likely not.

 

It can be said with certainty that Lenovo won't update their P16, and the P16 Gen 2 will be an SKU lasting 2 years.

 

 

Yep, it is unlikely that Intel will make a separate announcement just for that.

 

It would also see more tempting for the development teams of all manufacturers to work on a new chassis when they really can go with new technology for a lot more components / parts.

 

There are new developments with regard to memory, SSDs, screens and screen sizes already but it makes more sense to put it all together when some of that has matured / becomes more widely available and then it can be paired with next gen CPUs and GPUs. It also seems that with next gen we may finally see Thunderbolt support in high end mobile AMD CPUs so that will be another option for manufacturers that is not available this year.

[Aaron44126]

https://www.dell.com/en-us/blog/the-new-precision-workstations-are-here/

 

Precision 3000 and 5000 refresh announced.  7000 is MIA.

[KMikhail]

On 2/26/2024 at 5:52 AM, Aaron44126 said:

https://www.dell.com/en-us/blog/the-new-precision-workstations-are-here/

 

Precision 3000 and 5000 refresh announced.  7000 is MIA.

Perhaps they think 16" may replace 17", given rtx 5000:

 

Our Precision 5000 Series mobile workstations take creative application performance to the next level with the world’s smallest footprint 16-inch mobile workstation,² Precision 5690, that gives you a vast viewing area, combined with mobility and amazing application performance with up to an NVIDIA RTX™ 5000 graphics card.

[Aaron44126]

4 hours ago, KMikhail said:

Perhaps they think 16" may replace 17", given rtx 5000:

 

Nothing new here, they already have a 16" Precision 5680 with RTX 5000 and Intel 13th-gen CPUs which has been available for about a year.  The 5690 is basically the same thing with a CPU refresh.

 

Since we haven't seen any hint of 14th-gen HX workstations from Lenovo or HP either, I think that @yslalan has identified the reason...  Intel is not producing workstation versions of their 14th-gen HX CPUs, so everyone has to skip this generation.

[yslalan]

https://press.hp.com/us/en/press-releases/2024/hp-unveils-largest-portfolio-ai-pc.html

 

HP refreshed their ZBook line. That's so funny, they keep both 13th and 14th-gen HX.

13th Gen Intel Core (with vPro) or 14th Gen Intel Core (non vPro)

 

[Light]

A better thermal solution would make a 7790 a good upgrade. Right now it's got great acceleration for short runs, but long tasks such as simple AV scan seems to result in many of the cores not running at 100% now so the last cpu generation didn't result in much of a speed up over the previous. If we could get a higher performance thermal solution, I think the existing cpu could have a nice performance increase.

[Lippy_Kailua]

(yeah...bump)

any word on when these might be released and what'd be included? Assuming it should be any day now... 

[Aaron44126]

2 hours ago, Lippy_Kailua said:

(yeah...bump)

any word on when these might be released and what'd be included? Assuming it should be any day now... 

 

If they haven't done it by now, I think it's not likely to happen at all, most likely because Intel did not offer "pro"/business versions of 14th-gen CPUs and that is all that Dell offers in these things.  We'll have to wait for next year / 15th gen and see what happens.

 

Doesn't seem like a big loss to me.  14th gen and 13th gen are very similar in terms of what performance you can get out of a thermally-constrained laptop, and NVIDIA doesn't have anything new to show either...

[Avatec]

Will dell launch Precision 7690/7790？

[Aaron44126]

53 minutes ago, Avatec said:

Will dell launch Precision 7690/7790？

 

Looking like a no go since Intel is not releasing "business" "HX" CPUs for 15th gen.  (And there's nothing new from NVIDIA, either.)  We will have to wait and see what they have for 2025.

[ceasar2k6]

On 7/16/2024 at 6:34 AM, Aaron44126 said:

 

Looking like a no go since Intel is not releasing "business" "HX" CPUs for 15th gen.  (And there's nothing new from NVIDIA, either.)  We will have to wait and see what they have for 2025.

This is a good thing. We do not need a refresh every year with minimal upgrades. Hopefully, the 2025 will have new cam stuff, new other stuff, and especially an option for a non-business graphics as well. My precision will be 4 years old next June, so might e time for an upgrade, if it's worth it.

[Aaron44126]

2 hours ago, ceasar2k6 said:

and especially an option for a non-business graphics as well

 

Since Precision 7X60 (2021) you have been able to order systems with a GeForce GPU.  You must order through a sales rep to get this option... they don't offer it on the web site.

[ceasar2k6]

On 7/30/2024 at 1:34 PM, Aaron44126 said:

 

Since Precision 7X60 (2021) you have been able to order systems with a GeForce GPU.  You must order through a sales rep to get this option... they don't offer it on the web site.

ahh, great to know, my last machine is 7x60. it's like a 10 year old non-stick fry pan, all peeling the non-stick on sides left and right of the mouse pad and they had to replace keyboard at least 3 or 4 times now, but otherwise, it has performed well. thank god for the promo of 5 year accidental warranty at the time of order