Help selecting best NVMe SSD for P775TM1-G - preferably with heatsink

[DLoa]

Hi,

I want to take advantage today of sales on 2Tbb SSD NVMe 4th gen during Amazon Prime Day for my Eurocom Sky x7c to upgrade my primary drive with Windows 11 Pro24H2.  It will replace a 1Tb Samsung 90 EVO plus which will be a secondary drive or external drive.

 

The first question will the heatsink fit in my chassis?

 

Second, the two NVMe slots are Gen 3 NVMe, aren't they?  Will putting Gen 4 SSD be beneficial still or a waste?

 

What is important to me is speed performance, as well as running cool and energy consumption.

 

Another possibility is to plan to run m primary drive with OS as RAID0 by using the two m.2 slots in the chassis. Wil this be safe or not advisable as Raid0?

 

Here are my choices of drives on sales for October 8th and 9th :

Samsung SSD 990 Pro with heatsink 2tb, 168,99 € (159,99€ without heatsink)

SK  Hynix Platinum p41 SSD 2tb, 156,99 €

WD Black SN850x with Heatsink 141,99 €  (129,99€ without heatsink)

 

Kingston C3000 2Tb with heatsink (seems more compact), 149€

Crucial T500 2Tb (no heatsink pricier) 161€

 

Any recommendations?

 

Thank you for your feedback.

 

[srs2236]

Hi!

 

From what I encountered having a PCI-E 4.0 NVME in 3.0 slot can be beneficial, but only a tiny tiny bit. It will also depend on the drive too. I have had drives like SN850 and 980 Pro perform the same if not worse (in SN850 case) than a 970 EVO Plus. At that time I found KC3000 to be the best choice for me.

 

RAID0 can also be beneficial. However it comes with a data loss risk. It only improves performance in one specific configuration and that config makes it so that if any power loss occurs there is a high risk of data loss. I have completely lost my 2TB main storage once to this. So if you like to experiment with clocks and such this is a bad idea. I use some basic 4mm NVME heatsinks with K5 Pro in the middle and some rubber band to hold them. Also RAID has a impact on the CPU I just haven't measured how much.

[DLoa]

5 hours ago, srs2236 said:

Hi!

 

From what I encountered having a PCI-E 4.0 NVME in 3.0 slot can be beneficial, but only a tiny tiny bit. It will also depend on the drive too. I have had drives like SN850 and 980 Pro perform the same if not worse (in SN850 case) than a 970 EVO Plus. At that time I found KC3000 to be the best choice for me.

 

RAID0 can also be beneficial. However it comes with a data loss risk. It only improves performance in one specific configuration and that config makes it so that if any power loss occurs there is a high risk of data loss. I have completely lost my 2TB main storage once to this. So if you like to experiment with clocks and such this is a bad idea. I use some basic 4mm NVME heatsinks with K5 Pro in the middle and some rubber band to hold them. Also RAID has a impact on the CPU I just haven't measured how much.

Thanks for the input @srs2236

 

I noticed that the Gen 3 NVMe SSDs are at the same price as the Gen 4 SSDs.  I'll get Gen 4.  I had several Samsung SSDs before and liked them, this is why I was drawn to the good reviews of the 990 Pro, but open to other brands.  The KC3000 wasn't the top performer in comparative reviews - it is probably close, its basic heatsink is the same size as m.2 so it is compact.

 

The WD Black SN850X 2Tb is supposed to be better than the SN850 according to the different reviews I found (PCMag, Too's ....), but they also gave conflicting conclusions between the other SSDs listed.  The SN850 is the cheapest though at 95€ (with 4150 Mb/s instead of 5500 M/s), which was tempting.

 

I have RAID0 with two Seagate FireCuda  ST2000LX001 2Tb for my secondary drive, D:.

I don't play much with Clocks, my Clevo is used to running VR and I am more concerned with consistent and stable performance and running cool as the P775 cooling is challenged in handling the heat.  My system is plugged in so the power cuts are very rare. 

Your advice against using RAID0 with two NVMe SSDs for casual day to day system.

 

Regarding the heatsink, I noticed from pictures that they overhang on the side by 1 or 2mm more than the m.2 cards.  I am concerned that may interfere with their slot locations in the fit in the Clevo Chasis. 

The primary drive is at the slot near one of the two fans and the space is narrowed down to 22mm on the m.2 connector and the side near the fan (see picture below with SSD 970 EVO Plus in place):

 

The 990Pros is 10€ more than without a heat sink and its width is 24mm.  It would just fit in the second slot, which is 24mm wide, and between the two SSD Sata slots (see picture with empty slot).

 

Is there a difference in using either of these slots of the motherboard in the P775TM1-G chassis for my primary OS m2 SSD?

 

Would it be fine to dremel out 1-2mm in the plastic of the first slot option by the fan?

 

Thanks

[DLoa]

@srs2236  I purchased the Samsung 990 Pro 2Tb without heatsink for 155€, just 5€ difference with the Kingstone C3000.

 

My i9 updated to Win 11 24H2 a few days ago but I will do a clean install to apply Atlas-OS. 

With two SSDs (Samsung 970 Evo 1Tb and 990 Pro 2Tb) and 2 SSHD mounted as Raid0  stripped Seagate FireCuda 2TB Solid State Hybrid Drives (ST2000LX001 - 1RG174) there a few options now to organize the OS, programs and User data.

 

Is there a value in term of performance to keep the 1Tb 970 Evo SSD for the OS, 2Tb SSD for user and program data

or is it better to make use of the new 2Tb 990 Pros SSD for the OS and Programs, 1Tb for users data and extra program data such flight simulator sceneries?

 

During the clean install, will it be sufficient to unplug the D: drive, a Raid0 stripped Seagate FireCuda 2TB Solid State Hybrid Drives into 4Tb, to keep the data safe and recovered and restored later?

It contains folder linked with junctions and users data and some Steam programs at the moment.  I'd like to use it after the install to move user data into there respecting shells (new Users location) and rebuild steam applications by rebuilding from data already there to reduce the amount to download when rebuilding the libraries.

 

On a side note, I 'd be interested to update Clevo P775TM1-G graphics card from 2080 to 3080 or even 4080.  It followed your thread on that subject, it seems still quite expensive.

 

Thank you for your help.

[srs2236]

On 10/15/2024 at 10:14 PM, DLoa said:

@srs2236  I purchased the Samsung 990 Pro 2Tb without heatsink for 155€, just 5€ difference with the Kingstone C3000.

 

My i9 updated to Win 11 24H2 a few days ago but I will do a clean install to apply Atlas-OS. 

With two SSDs (Samsung 970 Evo 1Tb and 990 Pro 2Tb) and 2 SSHD mounted as Raid0  stripped Seagate FireCuda 2TB Solid State Hybrid Drives (ST2000LX001 - 1RG174) there a few options now to organize the OS, programs and User data.

 

Is there a value in term of performance to keep the 1Tb 970 Evo SSD for the OS, 2Tb SSD for user and program data

or is it better to make use of the new 2Tb 990 Pros SSD for the OS and Programs, 1Tb for users data and extra program data such flight simulator sceneries?

 

During the clean install, will it be sufficient to unplug the 😧 drive, a Raid0 stripped Seagate FireCuda 2TB Solid State Hybrid Drives into 4Tb, to keep the data safe and recovered and restored later?

It contains folder linked with junctions and users data and some Steam programs at the moment.  I'd like to use it after the install to move user data into there respecting shells (new Users location) and rebuild steam applications by rebuilding from data already there to reduce the amount to download when rebuilding the libraries.

 

On a side note, I 'd be interested to update Clevo P775TM1-G graphics card from 2080 to 3080 or even 4080.  It followed your thread on that subject, it seems still quite expensive.

 

Thank you for your help.

Hi!

 

Don't think that the KC3000 is the best for P775TM1. That was just back when I did my tests 2021-2022. Since then many new SSD's are out and I am sure the 990 Pro is going to be the best! I will want to see some benchmarks from you if it will be possible!

 

Why I didn't recommend RAID0 was because it doesn't really speed anything up UNLESS you use that one mode where it uses CPU as a cache or something and it is dangerous because you can lose data on power loss. So unless you have a very stable system it's better to run without RAID on main SSD. For your SSHD it makes perfect sense and you will definitely see a performance increase there. And it won't be dangerous because you don't have to run it at the dangerous setting. The dangerous mode I am talking about and that improves performance on a NVME RAID0 is Write-Cache buffer flushing Disabled in combination with Write Back cache mode enabled.

 

"...or is it better to make use of the new 2Tb 990 Pros SSD for the OS and Programs, 1Tb for users data and extra program data such flight simulator sceneries?"

 

I think this is definately the way to go. Even though sequentials will be capped at the PCI-E 3.0 speed limit, the more important small RND4K speed will remain the same as it is for a 990 Pro and that is the real difference for daily use! And actually running NVME RAID0 hurts RND4K so that's something to keep in mind too.

 

"During the clean install, will it be sufficient to unplug the D drive, a Raid0 stripped Seagate FireCuda 2TB Solid State Hybrid Drives into 4Tb, to keep the data safe and recovered and restored later?"

 

Yes, absolutely! You can just unplug them or if you have an unlocked BIOS you can just disable them for the install and re-enable after the install.

 

"On a side note, I 'd be interested to update Clevo P775TM1-G graphics card from 2080 to 3080 or even 4080.  It followed your thread on that subject, it seems still quite expensive."

 

If you have a 2080 and can handle the heat I don't recommend the 3080 if it is not available for a good deal where you live. The 3080 was a rather small improvement over the 2080 for me. The real improvement came in thermals in my opinion. You get a less hot chip with 16GB and something of a 10-20% boost to performance. I am however interested in swapping the core in the future from 3080 to 3080Ti. That is a better core + a 25W boost (150W vs 175W) so that is much more interesting! As far as I know there is no 4080 MXM that would fit the Clevos plug&play commercially available for now and anything below 4080 is of no interest to me.

[srs2236]

"Is there a difference in using either of these slots of the motherboard in the P775TM1-G chassis for my primary OS m2 SSD?"

 

I don't think there is a difference. But you can test it if you want. I think I did such tests back when I tested the SSD's and found no difference in speed.

 

Also if you are wondering why I myself have RAID0 while not recommending it is because I am just too lazy to reinstall windows haha. 😄 But I don't run it at the dangerous setting and many many many crashes later there is not a single data loss. Escape from Tarkov especially likes to crash my computer atleast twice a gaming session lmao. 😄

[DLoa]

On 10/16/2024 at 11:10 PM, srs2236 said:

Hi!

 

Don't think that the KC3000 is the best for P775TM1. That was just back when I did my tests 2021-2022. Since then many new SSD's are out and I am sure the 990 Pro is going to be the best! I will want to see some benchmarks from you if it will be possible!

 

Why I didn't recommend RAID0 was because it doesn't really speed anything up UNLESS you use that one mode where it uses CPU as a cache or something and it is dangerous because you can lose data on power loss. So unless you have a very stable system it's better to run without RAID on main SSD. For your SSHD it makes perfect sense and you will definitely see a performance increase there. And it won't be dangerous because you don't have to run it at the dangerous setting. The dangerous mode I am talking about and that improves performance on a NVME RAID0 is Write-Cache buffer flushing Disabled in combination with Write Back cache mode enabled.

 

"...or is it better to make use of the new 2Tb 990 Pros SSD for the OS and Programs, 1Tb for users data and extra program data such flight simulator sceneries?"

 

I think this is definately the way to go. Even though sequentials will be capped at the PCI-E 3.0 speed limit, the more important small RND4K speed will remain the same as it is for a 990 Pro and that is the real difference for daily use! And actually running NVME RAID0 hurts RND4K so that's something to keep in mind too.

 

"During the clean install, will it be sufficient to unplug the D drive, a Raid0 stripped Seagate FireCuda 2TB Solid State Hybrid Drives into 4Tb, to keep the data safe and recovered and restored later?"

 

Yes, absolutely! You can just unplug them or if you have an unlocked BIOS you can just disable them for the install and re-enable after the install.

 

"On a side note, I 'd be interested to update Clevo P775TM1-G graphics card from 2080 to 3080 or even 4080.  It followed your thread on that subject, it seems still quite expensive."

 

If you have a 2080 and can handle the heat I don't recommend the 3080 if it is not available for a good deal where you live. The 3080 was a rather small improvement over the 2080 for me. The real improvement came in thermals in my opinion. You get a less hot chip with 16GB and something of a 10-20% boost to performance. I am however interested in swapping the core in the future from 3080 to 3080Ti. That is a better core + a 25W boost (150W vs 175W) so that is much more interesting! As far as I know there is no 4080 MXM that would fit the Clevos plug&play commercially available for now and anything below 4080 is of no interest to me.

Thanks for the detailed answers and clarifications. 😊

 

The clean Install went well.  I learned a few tricks along the way for quicker restore stage.

I did it twice once with the two SSHD drives physically unplugged and the second time I didn't bother fairly confident there was no bad surprise.  One setback was my keyboard which is still acting up - I will post a new thread shorty.

 

I see your point and I agreed, I'll be interested in 3080Ti if there are no MXM 4080 MXM that would fit.  There are 3080Ti Mobile mentioned online, does it mean the 3080ti MXM is available and would it work for us?

 

The alternative would be to use an adapter to connect an external Graphics card into the MXM motherboard, and a PSU, referenced on another thread.  Consolidating the image of a Clevo being more like a portable desktop.  😂