Clevo X580 TBA at CES 2025 - 18", 4+4 drives and memory, 2xTB5

[ssj92]

Getting tempted to sell my m18 r1 and buy one of these. 👀 

 

what’s the cheapest 5090 model? 
 

I see a 200hz 3840x2400 panel, is that one mini led? 

[win32asmguy]

On 4/17/2025 at 7:02 AM, ssj92 said:

Getting tempted to sell my m18 r1 and buy one of these. 👀 

 

what’s the cheapest 5090 model? 
 

I see a 200hz 3840x2400 panel, is that one mini led? 

 

The bios is write locked so tuning is somewhat limited compared to other models. There will be an unlocked variant from System76 but modifications to that bios need basic programming knowledge.

 

The 5090 QHD+ model I got from Sager was $4150 including a three year warranty before tax.

 

Both panels are IPS.

 

The best memory performance I have tested so far is 4x16 Kingston Fury 5600 CL40, but its still pretty far in latency from other models. 2x16 6400 CL52 CSODIMMs may be better if it is stable.

[1610ftw]

15 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

The bios is write locked so tuning is somewhat limited compared to other models. There will be an unlocked variant from System76 but modifications to that bios need basic programming knowledge.

 

The 5090 QHD+ model I got from Sager was $4150 including a three year warranty before tax.

 

Both panels are IPS.

 

The best memory performance I have tested so far is 4x16 Kingston Fury 5600 CL40, but its still pretty far in latency from other models. 2x16 6400 CL52 CSODIMMs may be better if it is stable.

 

 

I thought that like MSI all Clevo bios were unlockeable so that undervolting would be supported but apparently not.

 

That also means more heat than necessary which makes better fan control a must for me. Does Clevo have a useable fan control implementation in the X580 or do you control them by other means?

 

In the X170 and P775 I am very happy with Clevo Fan Control

https://github.com/djsubtronic/ClevoFanControl/releases

but I somehow doubt that it will work with the X580! 

 

Good luck with those CSODIMMS - they seem to be the way to go for Arrow Lake laptops and I am currently waiting for 48GB modules as I do not really need 256GB but 128GB is not enough either. 

[win32asmguy]

6 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

I thought that like MSI all Clevo bios were unlockeable so that undervolting would be supported but apparently not.

 

That also means more heat than necessary which makes better fan control a must for me. Does Clevo have a useable fan control implementation in the X580 or do you control them by other means?

 

In the X170 and P775 I am very happy with Clevo Fan Control

https://github.com/djsubtronic/ClevoFanControl/releases

but I somehow doubt that it will work with the X580! 

 

Good luck with those CSODIMMS - they seem to be the way to go for Arrow Lake laptops and I am currently waiting for 48GB modules as I do not really need 256GB but 128GB is not enough either. 

 

They appear to have EFI variable write protection enabled in the stock bios now so those hidden settings cannot be modified like I could on the X170KM or NH55JNNQ.

 

Clevo does have fan control implemented via the control center. I am not sure if the EC registers have changed but it has 10 curve points per fan. All of the 3rdparty control tools seem to rely on a "ClevoEcInfo.dll" library which does not have source code from what I have searched.

 

The only issue with the current CSODIMM modules available is they all have the looser JEDEC timings unlike the Kingston Fury modules which have tighter timings but are limited to 5600 and up to 32GB per module.

[ssj92]

4 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

They appear to have EFI variable write protection enabled in the stock bios now so those hidden settings cannot be modified like I could on the X170KM or NH55JNNQ.

 

Clevo does have fan control implemented via the control center. I am not sure if the EC registers have changed but it has 10 curve points per fan. All of the 3rdparty control tools seem to rely on a "ClevoEcInfo.dll" library which does not have source code from what I have searched.

 

The only issue with the current CSODIMM modules available is they all have the looser JEDEC timings unlike the Kingston Fury modules which have tighter timings but are limited to 5600 and up to 32GB per module.

I've heard the BIOS has boot guard so we can't do anything. Not sure if I wanna spend an extra $1800 on the Clevo after selling my AW. 

 

I get 37k CB score and the 5090 seems to not be that much faster than 4090. 

 

I'm mainly interested due to the better screen (4K) and much better sound system. 

 

You've had X170. How much better are we talking sound wise? I think the X170 sounded really good. 

 

Could you upload some pics of the BIOS? I am curious what options we have available. 

 

 

 

 

 

[1610ftw]

1 hour ago, ssj92 said:

I've heard the BIOS has boot guard so we can't do anything. Not sure if I wanna spend an extra $1800 on the Clevo after selling my AW. 

 

I get 37k CB score and the 5090 seems to not be that much faster than 4090. 

 

I'm mainly interested due to the better screen (4K) and much better sound system. 

 

You've had X170. How much better are we talking sound wise? I think the X170 sounded really good. 

 

Could you upload some pics of the BIOS? I am curious what options we have available. 

 

 

Any reason except sound that you are consdering the Clevo instead of the new Alienware?

 

Screen specs look similar to the Clevo but with a 300 instead of 240Hz refresh and from what it looks like you will get higher sustained power with the Alienware, too.

 

 

[ssj92]

49 minutes ago, 1610ftw said:

Any reason except sound that you are consdering the Clevo instead of the new Alienware?

 

Screen specs look similar to the Clevo but with a 300 instead of 240Hz refresh and from what it looks like you will get higher sustained power with the Alienware, too.

 

 

4k panel but it looks like AW has 2 subs now so that changes things

[1610ftw]

1 hour ago, ssj92 said:

4k panel but it looks like AW has 2 subs now so that changes things

 

Yep, sound looks improved indeed.  Best 4K panel with LED will still be with the MSI Raider and Titan while Acer, Asus and Gigabyte offer QHD LEDs.

 

Still your M18 has such good performance that this gen will probably be too early to see more than a 10 to 15% improvement.

[win32asmguy]

3 hours ago, ssj92 said:

I've heard the BIOS has boot guard so we can't do anything. Not sure if I wanna spend an extra $1800 on the Clevo after selling my AW. 

 

I get 37k CB score and the 5090 seems to not be that much faster than 4090. 

 

I'm mainly interested due to the better screen (4K) and much better sound system. 

 

You've had X170. How much better are we talking sound wise? I think the X170 sounded really good. 

 

Could you upload some pics of the BIOS? I am curious what options we have available. 

 

It is supposed to have boot guard but I have not confirmed it yet.

 

The price is indeed very high. I guess it makes the most sense for someone who wants to load it up with 256GB of RAM and 32TB of storage. For me I dont really care about that and just want 2x16GB and a single drive with as close to desktop speeds while keeping the fan noise from being annoying.

 

I think the sound should be on par with the X170. At least its vastly superior to the X370 which had 2x1W speakers and no subwoofer. I don't really know how to tweak the EQ to make it the best but atleast the hardware side of it is better.

 

https://imgur.com/ADNYf2d

https://imgur.com/mLfYJk2

https://imgur.com/yvYHybF

 

[ssj92]

38 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

It is supposed to have boot guard but I have not confirmed it yet.

 

The price is indeed very high. I guess it makes the most sense for someone who wants to load it up with 256GB of RAM and 32TB of storage. For me I dont really care about that and just want 2x16GB and a single drive with as close to desktop speeds while keeping the fan noise from being annoying.

 

I think the sound should be on par with the X170. At least its vastly superior to the X370 which had 2x1W speakers and no subwoofer. I don't really know how to tweak the EQ to make it the best but atleast the hardware side of it is better.

 

https://imgur.com/ADNYf2d

https://imgur.com/mLfYJk2

https://imgur.com/yvYHybF

 

I got confirmation it has boot guard from the Clevo guru 😁 

 

now I’m leaning towards the AW although I did get a really good deal on a x580 so I’m not sure yet. I think 3758 shipped for a 4k panel 5090 x580 isn’t too bad right? 

[win32asmguy]

28 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

I got confirmation it has boot guard from the Clevo guru 😁 

 

now I’m leaning towards the AW although I did get a really good deal on a x580 so I’m not sure yet 

 

Yeah Prema helped me figure out a few things on the X580 already.

 

Im not really interested in the AW due to its RGB/aesthetics and reliance on AWCC along with the hassle of removing their LM paste. I also like having some side ports for USB.

 

I do have a pre-order for the Hydroc G2. Its going to have the Prema bios so its likely going to exceed what the X580 or any other 18 inch can do.

[ssj92]

2 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Yeah Prema helped me figure out a few things on the X580 already.

 

Im not really interested in the AW due to its RGB/aesthetics and reliance on AWCC along with the hassle of removing their LM paste. I also like having some side ports for USB.

 

I do have a pre-order for the Hydroc G2. Its going to have the Prema bios so its likely going to exceed what the X580 or any other 18 inch can do.

I think I’ve decided on the AW Area-51 18. Got my 10% off coupon ready for whenever 5090 config is available. 
 

Didn’t pay Eurocom yet for the x580. It was $3758 out the door which I think is a good deal and cheaper than the AW but I don’t like the build quality 

[SACbomber]

Rick from the MSi board here, hope you don't mind me intruding...

 

Have you got any benchmarks of your X580 @win32asmguy? CineBench 2024, 3DMark, the usual. Really want to compare with my TItan. Expecting you to have a 10-15% graphics performance advantage over me while maybe slightly behind on CPU/RAM.

[win32asmguy]

1 hour ago, SACbomber said:

Rick from the MSi board here, hope you don't mind me intruding...

 

Have you got any benchmarks of your X580 @win32asmguy? CineBench 2024, 3DMark, the usual. Really want to compare with my TItan. Expecting you to have a 10-15% graphics performance advantage over me while maybe slightly behind on CPU/RAM.

 

I need to rerun some benchmarks. After running some further testing on the Kingston Fury memory I determined it was not stable at 5600 CL40 in the X580 in combined loads. The stock Crucial kit was not as well at 5600 CL46. I now have tested Hynix OEM 2x24GB CSODIMM modules at 5600 CL46 which is stable. This change will effect Timespy CPU test but should not effect Cinebench R23. I think traditionally games usually are effected by higher memory latencies with 1% lows.

[1610ftw]

Surprise surprise: Medion announced its ERAZER Beast 18 X1 and I thought it was another X580 vendor but instead it looks like a TongFang!

 

Sadly without liquid cooling:

 

 

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/medion-erazer-beast-18-nvidia-rtx-5080-32gb-18-qhd-240hz-intel-ultra-9-27-lap-mdn-04289.html

 

Connectivity is rather sparse and if I had to guess it is 2 NVME and 2 memory slots each.

 

For me this might be the best looking chassis this gen including the keyboard with proper cursor keys and a separate power button.

[SACbomber]

On 4/28/2025 at 5:57 PM, 1610ftw said:

Surprise surprise: Medion announced its ERAZER Beast 18 X1 and I thought it was another X580 vendor but instead it looks like a TongFang!

Nice chunky chassis and proper separate arrow keys. Need to see the cooling solution. Don't like the reacharound USB ports on the back. RGB in the vents is a strange design choice, especially since they're not even full-width according to the renders. Think it looks really strange although some fun can be had if you could program the lights to change according to fan speed/heat output, like jet engine exhausts.

[win32asmguy]

On 4/28/2025 at 3:57 PM, 1610ftw said:

Surprise surprise: Medion announced its ERAZER Beast 18 X1 and I thought it was another X580 vendor but instead it looks like a TongFang!

 

I think that one is not a Tongfang, instead a different company as it was called "Thunderobot Zero 18" at CES. Supposedly same vendor Eluktronics used on a 16 inch model a few years ago which ended up having worse build quality.

 

In other news, the X560 is starting to show up. It looks like it caps out at a 155W 5090m, and has three SSD slots along with support for up to 128GB RAM. It still has a vapor chamber just like the PE60 which is nice.

[1610ftw]

13 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

I think that one is not a Tongfang, instead a different company as it was called "Thunderobot Zero 18" at CES. Supposedly same vendor Eluktronics used on a 16 inch model a few years ago which ended up having worse build quality.

 

I checked a few pics from CES and one of their models looks like a Clevo and another one has a distinct Dell vibe. Looks like they emulate the look of other manufacturers including TongFang.

 

13 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

In other news, the X560 is starting to show up. It looks like it caps out at a 155W 5090m, and has three SSD slots along with support for up to 128GB RAM. It still has a vapor chamber just like the PE60 which is nice.

 

Do you have a link where we can see the inside of the X560? 3 drives is above average for sure and it is still puzzling that Clevo does not go for a vapor chamber in their top model.

[win32asmguy]

1 hour ago, 1610ftw said:

Do you have a link where we can see the inside of the X560? 3 drives is above average for sure and it is still puzzling that Clevo does not go for a vapor chamber in their top model.

 

I dont have a picture of one but from the exterior it looks very much like the PE60.

 

It seems like the X580 does OK with a heatpipe system. Would a vapor chamber have helped slightly? Maybe but only Clevo engineering would know at this point.

[br2]

9 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

It seems like the X580 does OK ... only Clevo engineering would know at this point.

Dude... Above and beyond the call of duty.

[1610ftw]

14 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

It seems like the X580 does OK with a heatpipe system. Would a vapor chamber have helped slightly? Maybe but only Clevo engineering would know at this point.

 

I doubt it would make much more than a 20 to 30W difference and for CPU only / CPU heavy loads it will probably have very little real world impact. 

 

I have waited (very long) for feedback about the 5070Ti and it seems that it is pretty good and not that much worse than the 4080 mobile last year so it looks like I will go with that, looking forward to the 580!

[SACbomber]

On 4/28/2025 at 5:57 PM, 1610ftw said:

Surprise surprise: Medion announced its ERAZER Beast 18 X1 and I thought it was another X580 vendor but instead it looks like a TongFang!

Think we're far from the Sager/Clevo theme now but here's this laptop's cooling solution:

 

Looks like three fans and five or six heatpipes. Reminds me of ASUS's solution with three fans. What's the third fan meant to do? Cool the VRAM/VRMs?

[VEGGIM]

2 hours ago, SACbomber said:

Think we're far from the Sager/Clevo theme now but here's this laptop's cooling solution:

 

Looks like three fans and five or six heatpipes. Reminds me of ASUS's solution with three fans. What's the third fan meant to do? Cool the VRAM/VRMs?

Where did you get this picture from?

[1610ftw]

10 hours ago, SACbomber said:

Think we're far from the Sager/Clevo theme now but here's this laptop's cooling solution:

 

Looks like three fans and five or six heatpipes. Reminds me of ASUS's solution with three fans. What's the third fan meant to do? Cool the VRAM/VRMs?

 

This can actually be a very smart solution as in todays laptops memory, chipsets and the SSDs can get very toasty. So an added fan or two that get(s) the air moving over all those components is a really good idea. More and more manufacturers seem to want to make sure that those areas are cooled and so far we are already seeing that third fan with Asus, TongFang and Gigabyte even has two added fans for that purpose.

 

The Cooling has some TongFang vibes by the way if you look at their latest 16" watercooling design: