Clevo X580 TBA at CES 2025 - 18", 4+4 drives and memory, 2xTB5

[1610ftw]

On 5/17/2025 at 11:04 PM, Maro97 said:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/uhpilcl/worlds-first-built-in-split-type-water-cooled-gaming-laptop

 

That has some crazy potential with a 980W power supply and water cooling but it has to have a bigger screen and a proper keyboard.

 

No idea who gave input on this but with a QHD+ 18" and a proper full keyboard with numpad it would be a much more tempting option. I can understand that they may want to have a mousepad in there and possibly it is difficult to place it in front of the keyboard or it would increase height but in my opinion that is not necessary for what is really a mobile desktop.

 

When you always need a power outlet you should also be able to bring a mouse even if the trackpad cannot be moved down in front of the keyboard.

 

Oh and I wonder about their battery option - would be nice to at least have some one or two hours of battery life and it would probably help with sales.

[Developer79]

On 5/16/2025 at 11:01 AM, 1610ftw said:

 

Not sure what the argument is here. Clearly an desktop GPU board would only fit in the P870 but for using it as is the X170 is a better laptop because the added capability of the P870 to use a second GPU is not of much use any more and does not outweigh the keyboard, sound and lesser CPU cooling. In any case what is holding the P870 back the most is by now the CPU unless maybe you manage to put a 5080 in there for 4K gaming where frame rates will be affected the least.

You've misunderstood something: with its SLI capability, the P870xx initially takes up a lot of space in the case due to its geometry! This is independent of the electrical capabilities. Thanks to my specially developed board, it is now also possible to convert SLI mode to x16 PCIe standard mode, just like any normal PC motherboard. All of this takes place inside the case and also makes it possible to integrate a desktop GPU card into the P870xx!

[1610ftw]

24 minutes ago, Developer79 said:

You've misunderstood something: with its SLI capability, the P870xx initially takes up a lot of space in the case due to its geometry! This is independent of the electrical capabilities. Thanks to my specially developed board, it is now also possible to convert SLI mode to x16 PCIe standard mode, just like any normal PC motherboard. All of this takes place inside the case and also makes it possible to integrate a desktop GPU card into the P870xx!

 

I do not think that I misunderstood. My point was that in stock condition and as intended the x170 is the better laptop due to a number of factors with one very important one being the demise of SLI. Can the P870 be made better with a lot of effort and specialized knowledge? Clearly it can but that does not negate my point about the X170 being a better overall laptop in stock condition.

 

As the  P870 already has a thread where this is discussed I suggest we take this discussion there as I think that what you are doing with the P870 chassis is pretty cool.

[SACbomber]

On 5/16/2025 at 2:43 AM, Developer79 said:

From a technical point of view, the P870xx is the best Clevo has ever produced. The X170xx was already a departure from high-end, and although it had some good features, overall I am only convinced by the P870xx model series from a technical point of view! If I were a developer at Clevo, I would update the motherboard of the P870xx to the latest Intel 14/15/16 Gen. and no longer use MXM, but simply Flat PCIe x16 5.0 with an extra vapor chamber. In other words, a normal desktop graphics card. My development shows that it works!!!

Reality is that outside of serious tweakers and enthusiasts like us, few (gaming) laptop buyers care about socketed (desktop) processors and MXM GPUs. MXM is supposed to be a standard yet there are a bunch of generations and variations with generations. Even with the same generation and variation, a given heatsink design might not work with another MXM card. Read the Clevo threads right here on this board.

 

That said, would love to see another P870-type machine myself.

[Maro97]

I believe that soon everything in laptops will be soldered into the motherboard—not just the GPU and CPU, but also the RAM and storage. This will be more cost-effective for companies over time and will further restrict users’ ability to upgrade or replace components. It’s an extreme example of corporate greed. 

Gaming Laptops will become like gaming consoles with led screen — designed to save money on development and to force users to replace their laptops instead of upgrading them.

[Developer79]

2 hours ago, Maro97 said:

I believe that soon everything in laptops will be soldered into the motherboard—not just the GPU and CPU, but also the RAM and storage. This will be more cost-effective for companies over time and will further restrict users’ ability to upgrade or replace components. It’s an extreme example of corporate greed. 

Gaming Laptops will become like gaming consoles with led screen — designed to save money on development and to force users to replace their laptops instead of upgrading them.

It's because of the monetary system, that's the real reason why everything is the way it is!!!

[Maro97]

Our hope depends on the development of the MXM adapter project, which we’re eagerly looking forward to seeing soon.