M17X r4 - gpu upgrade Quadro RTX 5000

[Ollie87]

I had picked this up to change the LCD over with ? 

[Ollie87]

[Ollie87]

Ok this is what's happening as an example happily gaming and about 10 minutes or less in, game will hang and then the GPU memory etc becomes greyed out, temps never hit max got custom fan curve running, I can only put this down to power draw 

[Ollie87]

so far, ive now installed A15 bios and then the unlocked version, ive now also installed game ready 2080 super notebook drivers - it runs better and seems to manage more gameplay before a crash, im going to investigate further with graphical settings

 

seems to be underload it kicks the gpu off, it never does reach max temp, power draw can be the only conclusion, i need to research the shunt mod as its difficult to find this out.

 

i also have somthing very strange which has happened since ive installed this card, on 3d mark its hard locked at 60 fps unless i go window mode, ive checked many settings in the nvidia control panel, i have changed the DVR options in windows and also switched off gamebar.

 

an update to this post, i have tried many different things out lowering graphics etc and still get the same result, i have now ordered R005 resistors to shunt the card, for a temporary measure i will swap the card out with my RTX 3000.

 

once i get the parts i will look to shunt the card and see if this resolves my power issue.

[Ollie87]

New update, I have since bought a new 330watt power supply, this has not resolved the issue with the adlink Rtx 5000 card, under heavy load it must be power spiking and shutting itself down, card reaches around 68c using duronaut paste and a full copper cooler.

 

Other options I currently have is to see if I can manually set a lower power target through shell commands or see if I can fit a shunt mod just not sure what I'm looking at as the information on this is sketchy at best and don't want to fry the card.

 

Any help would be great.

[Ollie87]

I seemed to have successfully used power shell Nvidia command to reduce the core MHz on the GPU down to 1000 MHz from 1500 -1600mhz, this in turn has lowered the power usage managed around 6 games on war thunder on max settings dx 12, i did try the command to set a max wattage of 90 or 100 but the power shell sent back a answer stating it could not change the power.

 

At least to some degree the card is usable not ideal at least untill I can work out where this shunt mod is actually placed.

[SuperMG]

Hello.

 

I think your GPU is faulty, faulty IC? Faulty coils? To confirm that further, please try this GPU on another laptop, like a dell Precision m6700 (I have one for cheap) or the Precision 7710 and see if the results are the same as the R4 laptop.

 

I could do 115W on the M18X R2 with an RTX 3080 no problem, the limit to performance was the Intel Optimus and the old MUX Switch... Was stuck at 60fps on some benchmarks...

[Ollie87]

I have checked all of my video options in the A15 unlocked bios regarding muxless fixed and full dynamic, full dgp fixed and full dynamic, none of the options allow in full screen mode to achieve above 60 FPS, before I had installed the Rtx 5000, the Rtx 3000 was ok in full screen under test achieving around 90 - 100 FPS, I can only seem to achieve this now running graphics tests on widowed mode, sadly I don't have another laptop to test this on, my bios is currently set too SG mode full and fixed dgpu dynamic power, I will try and get some photos of my bios set up. When testing the GPU I noticed the core MHz fluctuates between 1400mhz to 1550mhz rapidly, I've now set the target in poweshell to 1250 MHz and is still stable no crash. I will try and ramp it up till it crashes again.

 

Forgot to mention when it crashed on hw info it showed a error on power limitation under the GPU - 60% where it had greyed out.

 

Thanks for some input SuperMg

 

[SuperMG]

1 hour ago, Ollie87 said:

I have checked all of my video options in the A15 unlocked bios regarding muxless fixed and full dynamic, full dgp fixed and full dynamic, none of the options allow in full screen mode to achieve above 60 FPS, before I had installed the Rtx 5000, the Rtx 3000 was ok in full screen under test achieving around 90 - 100 FPS, I can only seem to achieve this now running graphics tests on widowed mode, sadly I don't have another laptop to test this on, my bios is currently set too SG mode full and fixed dgpu dynamic power, I will try and get some photos of my bios set up. When testing the GPU I noticed the core MHz fluctuates between 1400mhz to 1550mhz rapidly, I've now set the target in poweshell to 1250 MHz and is still stable no crash. I will try and ramp it up till it crashes again.

 

Forgot to mention when it crashed on hw info it showed a error on power limitation under the GPU - 60% where it had greyed out.

 

Thanks for some input SuperMg

 

the RTX cards don't work in PEG in LVDS and not even in eDP on the M17X because of the MUX switches... 

 

Your RTX 3000 was a HP variant? They work very well on motherboard that supports both LVDS (Optimus) and eDP for some reasons. But outside HP Turing, I know that some other brands such as Aetina, PNY, ADLINK cards are having issues with LVDS based systems.

[Ollie87]

The rtx 3000 is a hp zbook version second hand runs flawlessly on the lvds screen.

 

I then decided to pick up a new hp adlink Rtx 5000, besides having to get a better cooler it runs well untill it seems to power spike then the card vanishes and greys out on hw info looking at it's max power when this happens is always around 117watts, I just assumed this was to do with the power draw, I never bought the laptop with the 120hz screen, I'm unsure if it's worth tinkering with the screen I had bought, it seems to work fine if I lower the cards MHz rating down, I'll try a more demanding game, mainly was trying to fiddle with it untill I could purchase a newer system to take away on working away. Unsure if the shunt mod would help this in any way.

 

Not so concerned with the screen as I was going to purchase a secondary 160h travel screen in 2k.

[SuperMG]

9 minutes ago, Ollie87 said:

The rtx 3000 is a hp zbook version second hand runs flawlessly on the lvds screen.

 

I then decided to pick up a new hp adlink Rtx 5000, besides having to get a better cooler it runs well untill it seems to power spike then the card vanishes and greys out on hw info looking at it's max power when this happens is always around 117watts, I just assumed this was to do with the power draw, I never bought the laptop with the 120hz screen, I'm unsure if it's worth tinkering with the screen I had bought, it seems to work fine if I lower the cards MHz rating down, I'll try a more demanding game, mainly was trying to fiddle with it untill I could purchase a newer system to take away on working away. Unsure if the shunt mod would help this in any way.

 

Not so concerned with the screen as I was going to purchase a secondary 160h travel screen in 2k.

Yes that explains everything.

 

The "similar" issues happened on Haswell (Core i 4th gen) on LVDS Optimus. HP RTX runs great but other brands such as PNY, ADLINK, X-VSION, etc are having a problem too. It's also a TDP problem. Sometimes you're stuck at 40W max sometimes it does power spikes, from 115W to 55W then 115W to 55W, etc...

 

You should sell your adlink and buy the HP variant.

 

Or just get the pure-eDP laptop (with only eDP as the LCD connector and no LVDS available). 

[Ollie87]

So if I was to get the 120hz screen that works on the edp that would solve the issue ?