MSI GE76 (Intel 12th Generation) Owners Thread

[qadhi79]

Finally I have my hands on the GE76. The one I picked up is the Costco edition with the following specifications:

 

MSI Raider GE76 12UGS-201

 

• 12th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-12700H Processor
• NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3070Ti, 8GB
• 32GB (16G*2) DDR5 4800MHz
• 1TB NVMe SSD Gen4x4
• 17.3" IPS FHD (1920 x 1080) 360Hz 3ms Display
• Steel Series RGB with Anti-Ghost Keyboard
• Windows 11 Home (64-bit)

 

Full specs: https://storage-asset.msi.com/specSheet/us/nb/Raider GE76 12UGS-201.pdf

 

I have updated to Windows 11 Professional and going to add a 2TB Samsung 970 EVO soon.

 

Intel has done some magic with the 12th generation and this laptop is fast. My primary laptop was a CLEVO with 8700K (delidded and OCed) and I was expecting to see little improvement as the 8700K is already quick enough or so I thought.

 

The chassis is well built and has a premium feel to it. Plenty of ports for external devices. 2 USB3 ports, 1 USB3 Gen2 Type-A port, 1 USB3 Gen2 Type-c port/Thunderbolt 3 and a dedicated Thunderbolt 4 port along with the typical HDMI, audio and mini-display ports.

 

I mainly use laptops for work so the USB3 Gen2 and Thunderbolt 3/4 ports are a huge advantage. The number of ports and their speed is a deciding factor for me when choosing between laptops. At the time of writing this, I already have half a dozen external devices connected to it.

 

 

 

The 12700H is exceptionally fast and a huge upgrade but runs hot. The 12th non K processors cannot be undervolted so I had to play around with different TDP values to get optimal results. According to reviews there is little different this year between the 12900HK and 12700H other than being locked/unlocked. Here are few quick benches to show its potential.

 

12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700H @ 4110.0MHz - 6317 XTU marks on HWBOT

 

 

I am sure these scores can be improved a little. Waiting for the weekend for a re-paste and adding the 2TB NVME.

 

I was skeptical moving from CLEVO but MSI GE76 is a beast which turned to be a very pleasant surprise!

 

[JeanLegi]

Greetings ladies and gents,

 

question to the owners here.

did anyone had or have issues with the MSI Center that it show a message that something must be change and after this that the batterz calibration or something else is not working?

In the german MSI Forum i have a user who reported this issue and since saturday i have a GE76 Raider 11UH here and i have the same.

[wilpang]

On 3/15/2022 at 1:06 PM, qadhi79 said:

Finally I have my hands on the GE76. The one I picked up is the Costco edition with the following specifications:

 

MSI Raider GE76 12UGS-201

 

• 12th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-12700H Processor
• NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3070Ti, 8GB
• 32GB (16G*2) DDR5 4800MHz
• 1TB NVMe SSD Gen4x4
• 17.3" IPS FHD (1920 x 1080) 360Hz 3ms Display
• Steel Series RGB with Anti-Ghost Keyboard
• Windows 11 Home (64-bit)

 

Full specs: https://storage-asset.msi.com/specSheet/us/nb/Raider GE76 12UGS-201.pdf

 

I have updated to Windows 11 Professional and going to add a 2TB Samsung 970 EVO soon.

 

Intel has done some magic with the 12th generation and this laptop is fast. My primary laptop was a CLEVO with 8700K (delidded and OCed) and I was expecting to see little improvement as the 8700K is already quick enough or so I thought.

 

The chassis is well built and has a premium feel to it. Plenty of ports for external devices. 2 USB3 ports, 1 USB3 Gen2 Type-A port, 1 USB3 Gen2 Type-c port/Thunderbolt 3 and a dedicated Thunderbolt 4 port along with the typical HDMI, audio and mini-display ports.

 

I mainly use laptops for work so the USB3 Gen2 and Thunderbolt 3/4 ports are a huge advantage. The number of ports and their speed is a deciding factor for me when choosing between laptops. At the time of writing this, I already have half a dozen external devices connected to it.

 

 

 

The 12700H is exceptionally fast and a huge upgrade but runs hot. The 12th non K processors cannot be undervolted so I had to play around with different TDP values to get optimal results. According to reviews there is little different this year between the 12900HK and 12700H other than being locked/unlocked. Here are few quick benches to show its potential.

 

12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700H @ 4110.0MHz - 6317 XTU marks on HWBOT

 

 

I am sure these scores can be improved a little. Waiting for the weekend for a re-paste and adding the 2TB NVME.

 

I was skeptical moving from CLEVO but MSI GE76 is a beast which turned to be a very pleasant surprise!

 

 

Did you get the chance to undervolt to tame the 12700H?  Is yours the US model?

[1610ftw]

On 4/24/2022 at 4:10 PM, wilpang said:

 

Did you get the chance to undervolt to tame the 12700H?  Is yours the US model?

 

I have a GE76 here that is going back soon. One of the reasons is the severely underdeveloped cooling capability for its CPU that is made even worse due to the inability to undervolt. Or to put it another way: I am not aware of any option to undervolt the 12700H on the GE76.

Also TIM application is lacking with temperature differences of up to 15 °C (81 to 96).

Despite these shortcomings CR23 went up to 18034 and I would think that with some better TIM application it may go up to maybe 19000.

 

As the heatsink area for the CPU is very small and getting very little love with regard to heatpipes I am not sure how much of a difference it would make for longer runs as at some point it will be saturated and only so much heat can be transported away by the insufficient cooling. Just did a 10 minute run and performance came crushing down to 15787 (minus 12.5%) without Throttlestop, probably going to be higher with some tweaking. Sustained power draw as is seems to be limited to about 80W before throttling with Prochot set to 95°C

 

So for gaming the GE76 may be very good as the cooling capabilities for the GPU are a lot higher but as far as the CPU is concerned this is definitely a throttlebook and I am surprised they offer it like that as a workstation where CPU performance is more important:

https://www.msi.com/Workstation/WE76-11UX/Specification

 

 

[1610ftw]

Here is a pic of the inside courtesy of notebookcheck:

 

MSI may want to check with Lenovo or Asus to learn a thing or two about proper unified heatsinks. Better to have a unified heatsink and therefore improved cooling in GPU or CPU biased applications and then use some kind of intelligent algo to determine where power goes in applications with both high CPU and GPU usage.

[electrosoft]

On 7/28/2022 at 5:46 AM, 1610ftw said:

 

I have a GE76 here that is going back soon. One of the reasons is the severely underdeveloped cooling capability for its CPU that is made even worse due to the inability to undervolt. Or to put it another way: I am not aware of any option to undervolt the 12700H on the GE76.

Also TIM application is lacking with temperature differences of up to 15 °C (81 to 96).

Despite these shortcomings CR23 went up to 18034 and I would think that with some better TIM application it may go up to maybe 19000.

 

As the heatsink area for the CPU is very small and getting very little love with regard to heatpipes I am not sure how much of a difference it would make for longer runs as at some point it will be saturated and only so much heat can be transported away by the insufficient cooling. Just did a 10 minute run and performance came crushing down to 15787 (minus 12.5%) without Throttlestop, probably going to be higher with some tweaking. Sustained power draw as is seems to be limited to about 80W before throttling with Prochot set to 95°C

 

So for gaming the GE76 may be very good as the cooling capabilities for the GPU are a lot higher but as far as the CPU is concerned this is definitely a throttlebook and I am surprised they offer it like that as a workstation where CPU performance is more important:

https://www.msi.com/Workstation/WE76-11UX/Specification

 

 

 

Ditto with the MSI GL66 Pulse w/ 12700h. I went in there and attacked the anemic heatsink and was able to break 17k CB23 but even opening up the extra options in BIOS with this chipset and/or CPU you can't do anything. You set it and it does nothing and this thing needs to be able to adjust PLs, undervolt or both to dial it in.

 

 

[1610ftw]

27 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Ditto with the MSI GL66 Pulse w/ 12700h. I went in there and attacked the anemic heatsink and was able to break 17k CB23 but even opening up the extra options in BIOS with this chipset and/or CPU you can't do anything. You set it and it does nothing and this thing needs to be able to adjust PLs, undervolt or both to dial it in.

 

 

 

I feel your pain. It is rather disheartening to see the performance that MSI leaves on the table.

 

With all the custom Clevo heatsinks out there on Ali Express I am surprised nobody is offering an aftermarket solution for at least the GE76 and maybe the new GT77.

A nice unified heatsink with significantly more cooling capability should be doable with a bit more weight and volume.

 

To accommodate it they could even add a higher bottom cover that would result in a laptop that may be 2 to 4mm higher at the back and I wouldn't be surprised to see it becoming a good seller.

[Rengsey R. H. Jr.]

Did you guys see my GE76 with the new 18" QHD 240hz 500nitz screen in the custom build thread? 

[ryan]

Not yet I'll check it out