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Yeah, but it will eventually sell. I'm going to assume you snagged that SP97 🤣. I saw it earlier just can't part with that $$$$ at this stage with so many toys in play atm. I need to downsize a lot of hardware and some other items at the moment to build back up the coffers. I've been slammed with all types of expenses this year on a level that has never happened in a 4 month period it is mind boggling lol.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- FC running the spectrum of pastes, PTM and LM to see what rises to the top on his 5090. 1.040 max vcore on that thing.... Final conclusion: HY-P17 and MX-7 reign supreme for pastes with HY barely edging out MX-7 by what could be called margin of error in many cases. PTM is overrated for best temps at least LM as always rises to the top because it IS superior and a 4-5c differential still means it is ~8% better than the best paste in his arsenal. I actually picked up a few vials of MX-7 and have been using it in place of KPx and I've found it to be slightly better overall in my testing by 1-2c the last few months as CPUs get rotated and tested but as always YMMV. I like PTM and I've tried it a few times and I tend to agree with Dufus a bit on this one. I think many times it is user application error of thermal pastes and/or pump out that causes problems. PTM is as problem free and more consistent as it gets.... set and forget....

Some of the more compact cases allow full size (within reason) ATX PSUs, but once you start building into smaller, more compact rigs, the SFX (and even SFX-L) PSUs seem downright tiny in size and weight. Another plus is they usually come with much shorter, flexible and lighter cables making snaking them where you want easier. When builders are really pushing for as compact, light and streamlined as possible, they will even order custom length SFF cables to really clean up the insides and shave a few more ounces off the total weight. For your Lian-Li Dan, it will make it so much easier to work in even stationary. For myself I can't even imagine lugging around a mATX case with a full sized power supply in it. I'm trying to calculate every last bit of weight possible to keep everything sane in weight to cart around. Scoring the extended warranty is really nice. I know every time I've used MSI RMA going back to 2010 it has been pretty straight forward and always resulted in a great outcome. I had a hunch the IMC was a bit weaker needing that extra VSOC but as long as you can get 6000 going that's always a good baseline. I'll be interested to see how far you can push it or if it can go as far as the 7945hx3d which did ~6400. I had a chance to pick up a 5080 variant used for $2450 but I passed. I noticed BHPhoto has the 5080 version of this for $2999 out the door (free shipping and I have Payboo). 5080 is just too close to the 5070ti in the Alienware 18 to pull the trigger. I might be recalling incorrectly, but I think the 7945hx3d used a standard thermal paste so the newer fans and using ptm definitely will help. I have to go back to MC, so I am going to play around with their Raiders and Titan refresh they have on display to really ramp up the fans. How has WoW been on it even at 4k? Congrats Brother! I hemmed and hawed over that chip for days but decided to pass even at $960 but for that price you're getting retail pricing with a known, much better sample overall so that's a win/win. I just didn't want to spend $1k on a CPU at this juncture with so many toys in play. Looking forward to the results. I expect a delid incoming once it passes all the @Mr. Fox checksums. I saw that really nice SP96 270k on the marketplace over there but that IMC really took the wind out of my sails. If it could boot even 8800 I would have picked it up but it only boots 8400 at stock with an MC rating of 41. Feels like that initial 265k I had all over again that couldn't even do 8600 stable juiced and could only boot 8400 stock. The one I picked up from @Talon boots 9066 at stock no problem. The second 265k booted 8933 no problem both G2. That is a majorly insane temp reduction. Both on the same loop? See how much headroom it gives you now.

Well priced too. I think I'll pick one up for a proper "just in case" scenario. I went back to running the Matrix vBIOS because it keeps my game clocks steady over 3200 everywhere. Fallout 76 is no problem. I can even run stock settings, but WoW will trip the WVP2 without adjustments with the 800w bios. On the flip side, my hot spot differential is ~12c with the stock factory application so I'm good atm on that front. No native 12vhpwr on PSU? 🤣 Nice on the warranty just in case. How did the A-die fare in the 5080 variant for comparison? Would it boot at 1050mv VSOC? Let us know how stability testing goes... let's see how this 9955X3D in the 5090 variant compares to the returned 5080... How are the noise levels between the two?

I have this Jonsbo Z20 on the shelf, but I'm going to go with the Mechanic Master C26 for the SFF portable 2026 project. Z20 = ~20.1lL vs the C26 = 13.2l. Both support mATX.The C26 doesn't support an AIO but I was going to go with the Thermalright AXP-120-X67 I have brand new on my shelf anyhow or a max height ~130mm air cooler if needed. C26 supports up to ~310mm length GPU so the GB WF OC SFF 5080 should fit as it is exactly the length of the FE edition (304mm) and ~2.5 slots wide (closer to 2 than 2.5). Specs: MC 7500X3D + Asrock B850M Combo deal MC Open box GB 5080 SFF Corsair SF1000 Samsung 990 Pro 2TB KB 2x24GB 8400 sticks Thermalright AXP-120-X67 Noctua NF-A9 x4 Noctua NF-A12x25 G2 PWM Sx2-PP Mechanic Master C26 Then it comes down to the C26 or Z20 The downsize from 20.2L to 13.1L is pretty massive..... C26 weighs 6.6lbs (3kg) vs the Z20 11lbs (5.5kg)....again in the land of portability pretty massive The entire buildout in the C26 will weigh right around the Alienware 18 + PSU or a hair less actually and more importantly open up carrying case room for wireless KB/M and a 18-23" portable display and be much quieter under load vs any gaming laptop out there along with being able to tune every component with no restrictions. This type of build allows a 5090FE to slot right in but with a 1080p or 1440p 18-23" portable display that is overkill. The idea is lock in 120-165hz solid fps on the go\ as quiet as possible. This Windforce sff 5080 is much quieter under load than my Vanguard 5090. I'll probably end up with a Noctua NF-A12 on whatever cooler ends up end game on the CPU. I don't think a tuned 7500X3D will hold back a 5080 especially at 1440p, but if I do find it is a bottleneck, I will shift my 9800X3D into it and then sort out my desktop core system again. C26: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There's that positivity!! 🤣 Good set of baseline data though to see how it fares over the coming months/year. Are you going to routinely test the connection with a firm push check from time to time or leave it completely alone and see how the integrity potentially gives up the ghost? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Curious to see your results with the A die swapped in and hopefully the warranty extension can be applied to really bring it home. There is always the chance of a poor IMC even on a laptop unit so fingers crossed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Remember to pre-order your ROG 20th edition bundle to get the 20th edition 5090 Astral since it isn't being offered stand alone for only $5499.99...... "Only" $10,349.96 or $11k+ after tax.... https://eshop.asus.com/us/90yv0nf3-mvaa00-rog-astral-rtx5090-p32g-edition-20.html Don't forget you still need a CPU, memory and storage too.... might as push for a $15k build at this point....

Yeah, I went "yay for.....slightly below MSRP?" It should work out perfect in the Z20 so we shall see. In the end, it's a 5080 which means most likely one of my 9070xt's is headed out the door. Maybe I'll end up swapping in the Red Devil in the wife's system and probably sell off the Gigabyte Gaming 9070xt. It has been a solid performer now for 14 months and the wife has definitely given it a workout in WoW. Nice @Talon! I'll be giving this a whirl tonight! Nice snag man! Congrats! It really is the unicorn floating around out there. Looking forward to your hands on review and comparison to the 5080 variant you had before. If you can get the 2x16GB to run that's icing on the cake. WoW should run like a beast on that thing. I was in MC the other day and they had a floor model Titan still out on display (285HX + 5090) so I had a chance to check out the 4k mLED display and it definitely looks nice and they let me run 3Dmark on it and give it a general whirl on desktop and surfing. I just prefer QHD and 18"+ displays on my laptops/portables. Definitely stays quieter than the 7945X3D MSI we both shared during normal usage but of course under meaningful stress it lit up like an Xmas tree but that's ok. I'm hoping you can tame the sound profiles on this one and have a good review of it overall for when I eventually buy it off of you for a slight discount down the road. 🤣 I'm curious how the actual internals compare vs the 7945HX3D + 4090 Raider too if you can spot any changes / upgrades.

Sometimes Microcenter makes zero sense. I snagged that $1079.99 open box "Complete" GB Windforce 5080 and planned to pick it up today but then a $1034.99 (983.24 after MC discount) open box popped up "Incomplete As is" but for $45 bucks, I don't care about accessories and stuff so I grabbed that one. Crack it open before I leave the parking lot to take a looksy.... "Incomplete As Is" = looks brand new with everything in the box complete down to the original plastic covering, port inserts and interface plastic sleeve. It look so new I held it up against the light to look through the side to make sure I could see the core even though I know MC tests their returns. Get it home and swap it into the 270k rig, DDU it, 610.74 drivers and it works exactly as it should scoring ~32k-33k GPU at pure stock low 60s on temps nice and quiet. *Shrug* go figure.... I also picked up one of their 7500X3D + Asrock B850 mATX bundles for $249.99 ($237.50 after MC discount) to kick off the Jonsbo Z20 fun with the KB 8400 2x24GB sticks on the shelf. https://www.microcenter.com/product/709974/amd-ryzen-5-7500x3d,-asrock-b850m-c-cpu-motherboard-bundle --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Argh! I would have snagged that. Did you get it? I'm glad at least you had a bright moment during a dark time brother. Hopefully we can look at on this a year now and remember and you'll be in a better place. Hope the pizza was delicious!

Makes sense. I would love to compare/contrast the much cheaper V-color CL26 sticks but they're both pricey endevours. Still mulling it over, but those cores aren't great on second glance. Very wide range of voltages and pretty beefy on some of them. IMC is fantastic though overall. It really is a sample focused on fine tuning memory as the primary goal. I wouldn't put anything past Nvidia especially after they purposely killed off MXM and removed SLI as an option on consumer level cards. We're seeing them in true boss form right now in the worse way. It's a combination of being a reviewer, work (albeit that is mainly a lot of Mac hardware nobody cares about in these threads), and sometimes being asked my true assessment of particular hardware from a few NDA sources who apparently value my opinion....who whudda thunk it? 🤣 I will say this, expect a lot and I do mean a lot of cut down options (16GB + 512GB) on models that normally would come with 32GB + 1TB standard on some mid tier models wise and expect a lot of 2024/2025 rehashing of CPUs (14th gen Intel, 8000 series AMD) paired with low to mid (5050->5070) 5000 series GPUs for grossly inflated pricing in the land of laptops. We're already seeing refreshed 290hx models on the top end going for $5-6k which is absolutely mind boggling but even worse we'll be seeing rehashed 14th gen models with mid tier or lower 5000 series GPUs (5060 even) going for $2k to start. If I was in the market right now for a decent laptop, I would look to last year's inventory clear out and then look for open box or used on top of that to save a major bit of coin. Same 5000 series and for gamers, the CPU refreshes aren't really bringing anything major to the table. Right now, with things in the pipeline as they are, the 9955HX3D Raider 18 is a good option if you can lock down a sub $3k variant. The 5090 version is quickly entering unicorn status it seems. Hopefully not a situation of Nvidia influencing them to not add it as a readout. Now we need MSI AB to add it in for their OSD. How ya feeling @Papusan? Hopefully things are moving in a positive direction for ya.

I don't blame ya. I'm a 2x24GB+ user now. Sweet spot between 32GB and 64GB of ram and the prices are insane. Priorities first. Scary thing is they're supposed to continue to go up as corporations push for AI centers everywhere to the detriment of the world and citizens as a whole on a local level. I'm trying to see the downsize to the 270k as time rolls on. Yes, X3D in pockets bests it and 13/14th gen pretty handily, but overall? 270k is a price:performance banger across the entire spectrum especially at 4k gaming. I saw this last night. I asked a few questions in PM. Nice fellow. Makes you wonder what his other 9950X3D2 can do......he's on a chiller so you have to figure that in too to some degree. Has a fantastic 1:1 IMC 2200/6600 is super nice Has an above average 2:1 IMC capping out at 8400 Static chiplet testing is.....average. It's an SP118. Then you get samples like Sugi's doing 8800 and 5700+ but everybody has their own levels of "personal use stability." This one *might* have some of that under water and delidded....$980 + S&H + fees = ~$1050. I'm wondering what memory he was running at 2200/6600 with those timings......that's pretty damn good. I'd pick it up for it's IMC primarily at 1:1. That is pure beast mode.

The fact you and the other user reports a manual profile reducing GPU power limits completely solves the issue points to a faulty PSU failing under higher loads or a board level power delivery issue. If you had a wall power meter to see how much is actually pulled, I think you will see your shutdowns are occurring at a certain overall draw level. First thing, and easiest thing to do, is to order a 380w PSU from Amazon with a 30 day return policy and see if that fixes your problem. If it doesn't, at least you can rule out the PSU and move onto a board level power delivery issue somewhere.

@tps3443 if you're still looking for a good CL26 kit, maybe look to V-Color. I don't know what G.Skill is smoking with their CL26 kits and stupid pricing, but V-Color has CL26 kits for sub $450 with at least the same primary timings and requiring less voltage (1.40 vs 1.45) We also have these older kits (Yes, including the F5-6000J2636H16G2-TZ5R) which are going to be outclassed with the new ULL kits which are completely newer modules coming off the line and will be priced the same as G.Skill is asking now if not much lower. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 5080 Prime was on my list too and I actually tried to pick one up earlier this year and managed to snag one right before the price hike but somehow it made it to my local BB store to prepare for pickup then stayed in "preparing for pickup" for two weeks and disappeared and they cancelled my order....I think we all know what happened....congrats to the employee who picked it up to use or resell.....this has happened to me 2x now at my local store. From now on, I'll be changing pickup to their main distro store in my area which is ~35 min away versus 2 min away.... I'm realizing I want to have two lower intake fans on the Z20 so that pushes me to a 2 slot being the best approach. Maybe a 2.5 at most? But we'll see with the GB SFF 5080. I'm hell bent on solving this SFF portability issue with no compromises vs a laptop. Somehow compacting down the perfect SFF, wireless 65% keyboard, wireless gaming mouse and a 23" USB-C powered 144hz 1440p display is the current "holy grail" I'm working on atm......

I still love laptops and portables. I always have since I got my hands on a TRS-80 Model 100 as a pre-teen many moons ago. I just go with the flow and see what comes out and adjust to the hand that's dealt but the onslaught of thin and light and the effective EOL of true, customizable DTRs with truly upgrade enabled GPUs and CPUs still stings. I was down to two laptops but I was sent an HP Omnibook Panther based laptop with an Intel 356h in it, so that's been fun to run but it is severely constrained. Still rocking the sent to me Nitro 275hx + 5060 for the mrs and the Alienware 18 275hx + 5070ti for myself since they were all sent and no cost to me. I don't know if I can stomach purchasing another notebook anytime soon with the current crazy (and climbing) prices and "meh" offerings. Even the potential of picking up a 9955HX3D + 5080 MSI Raider was dashed with @win32asmguy short review on it in this thread. Belgium spanked us good and proper and then Spain shut them down fairly easily IMHO. No skin in the game now, but Norway or Switzerland winning works for me or at least NOT Argentina...... --------------------------------------------------- If anyone has a 5080 they want to let go for a decent price, let me know. I did find an open box GB 5080 SFF at MC for $1079.99 so $1024.99 + tax = ~1090 after MC Card discount I have on hold till Sunday for pickup, but I'm open to other cards.

Thanks! Definitely want to give it a whirl. I agree about ZT. I'm so used to having it on AM5 I wouldn't mind an equally competent version on Intel. Is that at stock 600w vBIOS? That replacement MSI MEG 1600T is still trucking along and even with a 600w+ stock OC and those wonderful bars lit up almost to their tops, it is really balanced and nice even when pulling 615-623w on the WV2P. But yeah, the connector is atrocious. Imagine if you didn't have the WV2P and were just merrily skipping along playing till one day you're like: "Is that smoke I smell?" Yikes mine only lasted less than two years and they ended up replacing the MB and 2080 Super but it was under warranty at least during that time. As for the watercooled HS, only place I found them before was AB and TB but I just checked my own launch page info on this here and they are long gone. For the normal HSF combo for the KM, found one left on eBay I dug through my heatsink bin and I did find this custom copper IHS I had made from BartX I know is from 9th gen I think but could be modded as needed potentially (sanded down for z-height issues on die). I had already soaked and reheat cycle treated it for gallium then sanded it down so it's smooth and saturated already. If you want it, let me know and I'll pop it in the mail for you to see if you can get it working with your 10900k no charge. Just inbox me your address. My last, custom made 10th/11th gen IHS from BartX I sent off to @win32asmguy some time ago. That thing was awesome. Have you messaged Rockitcool to see if maybe they have one floating around in the back somewhere? 🤣 Looking forward to your updates over in the SM thread!

That is damn good for a D2D driver IMHO. I'm going to have to dive back in for some comparison work. Where did you download Memory Foundry Pro? lol, you forgot the power of the 5090! 🤣 Especially now that you're running a real AIB card and not the 5090 FE adds that nice bit of "oomph" on top. I said it before and I'll say it again, if price was no object I would have stuck with the Astral. I liked EVERYTHING about it and I do mean EVERYTHING except the price. Aesthetics were great, cooling lights out for an air cooled card, good build quality, tons of QOL touches. Basically zero coil whine. I know it wasn't a deal breaker, but I know you have to be loving not having that screeching of the 5090 FE in pockets. I knew you would dive in head first and have a blast @Mr. Fox! Give it another month or so then you'll be able to see who rises to the top: AM5 or AL......

For now...... AI will eventually replace many jobs including white collar smart sector employment. The only problem here is some companies tried to roll it out too early and are paying the price but the writing is on the wall. AI will only continue to get smarter and better. That is its (un)natural evolution assisted by mankind to usher in their own replacements on many levels. So many are mistaking apathy and disinterested consumerism in regards to AI producing a marketable product to justify its cost. Any and all AI tangible consumer grade products in the here and now that can return even a few pennies ROI is icing on the cake. The real product and end game is replacing expensive human workers as much as possible with AI automation.

Looking good! At least now you can "run to" your local Microcenter. How far is it exactly from you? I know mine is ~55 min away for the closest one. Uh oh, looks like the B850MPOWER + 9950X are in the potential "jettison" position of the line up now. 🙂 Let me know if you're going to sell off the B850MPOWER in the not so distant future and how much. That's a good and fitting picture of ya spelunking in the Bios @tps3443! ---------------------------------------------------------- Definitely picking up one of these. I'm still rocking a gen 1: ----------------------------------------------------------------- Skip through the slow parts (~7hr stream), but a Solid 9850X3D delid video using TG delid tool along with using a TG AM5 Heatspreader testing.... Not a fan of his data comparative approach. He notes a ~5c decrease in temps lidded vs delidded but I'm not sure why he didn't have profiles saved to use before and after nor not realizing that as soon as you pull / swap your CPU on first detect it will always reset your BIOS to stock. Also not sure why he didn't run CB24 before to get a good baseline of data and some game data to compare after but still informational for the actual delid process and heatspreader usage. Plus he's actually a funny guy. 🙂

@tps3443 If you're looking to get a known, good IMC on the 9950X3D2 over on OCN $850 USD but ships from Aus: https://www.overclock.net/threads/9950x3d2-great-imc.1819789/?post_id=29597168#post-29597168

It's possible to have a weak IMC on any AM5 chip. Remember, these are only "officially" rated to handle 5600 and I had that 9800X3D which barely could do that before returning and capped out at 2000 fclk on the nose. Nothing would push it over. Order another and/or another motherboard to sort out what is holding you back. It could also be your memory too. I went through a few boards and sets of memory to realize that first 9800X3D was the culprit. Second one ( current ) is much better. ---------------- You could always return everything and go 270k too for shiggles and probably save a bit of coin on top of it.

Did not even think of the 25H2 CE (which I am running) being the culprit, wow. Fitting though..... On the HP Omen, it is running the OEM cookie cutter 24H2 Home edition. Scores looking much better! When you lop off its head for DD cooling, that will kick it up a notch nicely.

Welcome to the club @Mr. Fox and I had a very similar problem actually with the Asus Z890 Strix and Intel B580 when testing my Acer B580 variant on it. Initially, I thought the card might be defective at one point. I kept having the GPU randomly go into recovery mode as listed under device manager. Let's call it Code 43 adjacent. I tested it on a pre-built HP Omen HP sent me to eval and it suddenly worked fine no problems so I ended up doing a few clean installs, same issue would just randomly pop up and tracked it down to Asus driver revisions. I ended up going with Intel and Gigabyte variants and the problem resolved itself. The Asus versions were so wonky that every time I went to install the Intel GPU drivers it kept trying to update the firmware which was already updated each and every time. Once I sorted out the drivers, the GPU driver install worked as it should.

If you're able to do 6600 anything 1:1 that is the golden level for IMC compatibility. Most chips can't do 6600 with proper stress testing. For example, I can post 6600 but can't pass anything meaningful but 6400 is no problem. If you're able to somehow dial in 2200/6600 that is literally the golden standard of G2. You *might* have a not so great 8000+ kit on your hands but a really good 1:1 6400 dual rank set in your possession @Mr. Fox If you're able to do 2133/6400 on dual rank that is something major for my low end use case/testing and I would love to see some gaming and bandwidth/latency benchmarks for testing. I've had several dual rank 6000 kits that were trash for 8000 and couldn't hit 2133/6400 for any meaningful stress testing. Do they pass 2133/6400 dual rank Karhu and Aida64?

Oh I recognize that hand writing! 🤣 Fun times incoming @Mr. Fox Congratz! ^^^This For those who want to run G2 mode on AM5, they are really good sticks in what is 99% of AM5 chips out there that top out at 6400 but past that? Good luck. I'd be curious to see if dual rank at 6000-6400 nets you any better performance than single rank 6000-6400 with the same timings like old school used to do for us.... what's the model # if the sticks you have @Mr. Fox? I wouldn't exchange just yet (unless your return window is 15 days). I would get another CPU or MB first (or both) to really dial down on what is holding you back. If I had just stuck with that Apex and assumed it was not the problem, I would be all over the map. Luckily, I had two motherboards to test against it (Z890 AYW, Z890 Strix-A) and three sets of memory which let me know the Apex was the problem.

I usually end up bouncing two off each other and sometimes more. It also helps flesh out your MB, but that Dark Hero should be able to do 8000 easy. I think it's rated up to 9600? That doesn't mean you couldn't receive a problematic board like many of us suffered with the Z890 Apex boards that were crapping out past 8400 for some reason. Like @Mr. Fox said, check what rank your sticks are. I tend to go with 2x24GB kits as they are primarily single rank and not problematic. X3D is pretty righteous especially when a game loves the cache but at 4k things get real close real fast. Yeah, I posted an analysis yesterday on his video: 270k is easily the best bang/buck Intel has brought to market in quite some time and that video backs up a few things I've been spewing especially cache saturation at higher resolutions so I posit with cache in play you can no longer arbitrarily use 1080p as a watermark for future performance metrics at higher resolutions with more powerful GPUs down the pipeline (IE 6090, 10070xt) Right now, if I was in the market for a banger gaming setup on a budget I would go 270k along with all the heavily discounted Z890 MBs on the market and a decent set of 8000 sticks and call it a wrap. DDR5 is a constant regardless if you go with AMD or Intel. I know him and Jufus were friends (maybe still are), but he goes after his testing methodology pretty hard along with others.

Sounds like a potential imc dud albeit you can't rule out the MB either.... I would snag another to compare it against for chip to chip check and to check the MB. Ditto on my first 9800X3D that couldn't do anything past 2000 fclk and 5600 on memory stable. I returned that and my next one is my current one. 2200 fclk and 6400 along with 8200. I haven't really pushed it past that though in light of the newer 9200 sticks. Might need to revisit that.

The difference between 6000 and 8000 in real world applications and games has been shown on average to be much of nothing due to the memory architecture of AM5, but with that being said it is better to run 8000 if you're able to because at worse, with tight timings, it basically equals 6000 tight but in pockets the extra bandwidth can come into play. 6000 tight if your program really happens to be latency sensitive but even something like WOW which is traditionally known to be latency sensitive on Intel literally ran the same (or close to it) 6000 vs 8000 on AM5. If I couldn't hit at least 8000, I would go back to 2133/6400 or even 2000/6000 but that's personal preference. Did you test your fclk yet to see where it posts up to at least? You posted 7200, are you just scaling up to see how high you can post at this point before running some stability tests later? I've had that problem before where an aggressive EXPO/XMP timing was causing no post. At that point, even scaling the frequency down to Jedec but still retaining the stock EXPO/XMP speeds would fail to post. Usually at that point (pro tip) use Asus tweaked/optimized timings. More times than not it will adjust a bad timing into a proper range then compare EXPO/XMP timings vs Asus tweaked timings to pinpoint the problem(s). You can also go old school JEDEC, set SOC/VDDIO close to max and scale up from there unless you had problems booting JEDEC too?

Ultimate shootout with bonus crapping on Jufus's testing methodology (and others): 4k gaming really shows any of the CPUs finely tuned are on average close to each other capping out even a 5090 and the 10 game average when tuned it is a wash overall except for those rare titles that love X3D enough to make a meaningful difference even at 4k. His results are basically in line with my testing even harking back to 7800X3D vs 13900KS and on but as always YMMV. I would say 1080p is a portend of future 4k potential removing the GPU as a potential bottleneck with more powerful GPUs coming down the pipeline but the problem is X3D cache saturation diminishes as resolution lowers so you can't just predict future gains using a more powerful GPU at higher resolutions (thus lowering or removing the GPU as a bottleneck) using 1080p straight forward... The overall king is now the 9950X3D2 taking into consideration everything. At 4k, I found it interesting the extra X3D on the other CCD actually helps level out some of the saturation deficiencies you can experience at such high resolutions vs the 9850X3D (further adding evidence to X3D saturation issues at higher resolutions). It's a pricey thang though..... ...either way bring on the bLLC! 270k is an absolute banger of a CPU and with the drastic cuts to MB pricing the real challenge is tracking down a set of decently priced 8000+ sticks either as sold or a 6000+ kit and OC'ing it. ------------------------------- Shockingly, those same two $5300 Gigabyte 5090 Infinity GPUs are still in stock at our local Microcenter.... As a matter of fact, they're still in stock at all 10 Microcenters within a 150 mile radius too.... 🤣