Etern4l Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 OK, 35818 without any attempt to tune things for this power level, so assuming that 13980HX is roughly equivalent to 13900K at 200W and can hold it, 36k should indeed be within reach. (Max core temp 77C with fans barely audible at 1500RPM lol) 1 1 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win32asmguy Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 20 minutes ago, 1610ftw said: Excellent, will you also get the liquid propulsion package? Only air for now. They are still waiting on the shipment of water coolers. 1 Desktop - 12900KS, 32GB DDR5-6400 C32, 2TB WD SN850, Windows 10 Pro 22H2 Clevo X170SM - 10900K, 32GB DDR4-2933 CL17, 4TB WD SN850X, RTX 3080 mobile, 17.3 inch FHD 144hz, System76 open source firmware, Windows 10 Pro 22H2 Clevo X370SNW - 13900HX, 32GB DDR5-5600 CL40, 4TB Samsung 990 Pro, RTX 4090 mobile, 17.3 inch FHD 144hz, System76 open source firmware, Windows 10 Pro 22H2 Lenovo Thinkpad P16 G2 - 13950HX, 64GB DDR5-4000 CL32, 2TB Kioxia SSD, RTX 4090 mobile 130W, 16 inch FHD+ 60hz, Windows 10 Pro 22H2 MSI Raider 18 A7V - 7945HX3D, 32GB DDR5-5200, 1TB PM9A1, RTX 4090 mobile 175W, 18 inch QHD+ 240hz, Windows 10 Pro 22H2 Precision 7670 - 12950HX, 32GB DDR5-4800 CAMM, 1TB SSD, RTX 3080Ti mobile 100W, 16 inch WUXGA 60hz, Windows 10 Pro 22H2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Fun facts, but what you'll think happens with the Cpu clock speed when Dynamic boost kick in on the other side of the coin and let the 4090 get back it's cooling capacity? The extra cooling headroom from the 150W+ Gpu will clearly help to cool the Cpu in Cpu only tasks. But start streaming (more and more popular), run other tasks in the backround while you gaming ... Probably great fun following the Cpu flutctations (clocks jump up and down as a Yo-Yo) on the screen even if you put an fixed clock ratio. Me when I looking at the cpu clocking up and down as a Yo-Yo due the GPU steal the thermal/power headroom..... Me don't want that. Me prefer own cooling for both Cpu and GPU. And big enough PSU to feed the needed power for both the Cpu and Gpu. Not this Dynamic boost/Speedshift feature meant to cut costs/make laptops as Apple clones. 2 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1610ftw Posted February 20, 2023 Author Share Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/18/2023 at 10:30 PM, Papusan said: Fun facts, but what you'll think happens with the Cpu clock speed when Dynamic boost kick in on the other side of the coin and let the 4090 get back it's cooling capacity? The extra cooling headroom from the 150W+ Gpu will clearly help to cool the Cpu in Cpu only tasks. But start streaming (more and more popular), run other tasks in the backround while you gaming ... Probably great fun following the Cpu flutctations (clocks jump up and down as a Yo-Yo) on the screen even if you put an fixed clock ratio. Me when I looking at the cpu clocking up and down as a Yo-Yo due the GPU steal the thermal/power headroom..... Me don't want that. Me prefer own cooling for both Cpu and GPU. And big enough PSU to feed the needed power for both the Cpu and Gpu. Not this Dynamic boost/Speedshift feature meant to cut costs/make laptops as Apple clones. I prefer a unified heat sink for laptops. This can then be combined with user adjustable power limits for the GPU and CPU. As for your system a combined 700+ Watt for CPU and GPU is probably a tad unrealistic in a laptop 😉 A realistic goal would be 350 to 400W air cooled and as an add-on 450 to 550W water cooled. Offer that in a 4 to 4.5kg chassis and many people would go for it as they seek the best of the best in a laptop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1610ftw Posted February 20, 2023 Author Share Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/18/2023 at 6:07 PM, Etern4l said: OK, 35818 without any attempt to tune things for this power level, so assuming that 13980HX is roughly equivalent to 13900K at 200W and can hold it, 36k should indeed be within reach. (Max core temp 77C with fans barely audible at 1500RPM lol) Thnaks for trying that - quite a difference in temps and fan noise 🙂 77°C and barely audible vs roaring fans and close to 100°C on the laptop - one can only do so much with so little volume... In my tests I have found that on a laptop one can easily go 10% higher with a unlocked CPU when one only has to complete a single run vs. even a 10min. run. Over 10 minutes sustained power will rear its ugly head and usually it will turn out that most laptops can only sustain something between 80 and 125W of CPU power over a longer time period and even less with non-deafening fan noise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssj92 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 7745HX (8c). If we double score for the 16c model it would get around 37k. i9 13980HX has some competition coming 1 Alienware m18 : Intel Core i9 13900HX @ 5.0Ghz | nVidia GeForce RTX 4090 | K1675 | 2x1TB SSDs Alienware Area-51M : Intel Core i9-9900K @ 5.3Ghz | nVidia GeForce RTX 2080 | AX210 | Samsung 970 Evo+ Alienware M18x R2 : Intel Core i7 3920XM @ 4.7Ghz | nVidia Quadro RTX 3000 | AX210 | Samsung 980 PRO Alienware 18 : Intel Core i7 4930MX @ 4.5Ghz | nVidia Quadro RTX 5000 | AX210 | Samsung 980 NVMe More Laps: M14x (555m) | M14xR2 (650m) | M15x (980m) | M17xR3 (880m) | M18xR1 (RTX 5000) DT: Aurora R4 (i9 10980XE/RTX 4070) | Area-51 R2 (22-Core Xeon/Titan V) | SR-2 [2x6-Core/3x980Ti] | CS Studios YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/CSStudiosYT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1610ftw Posted February 20, 2023 Author Share Posted February 20, 2023 3 hours ago, ssj92 said: 7745HX (8c). If we double score for the 16c model it would get around 37k. i9 13980HX has some competition coming Saw that, too - looks promising and that was apparently without overclocking so it would be around 37K stock and not just for an exceptional outlier. That is if TDP does really scale to double what the 7745 gets which I am not sure about but still this will be a chance to get 35K+ CR23 without blowing 200W on the CPU alone. Too bad that these 16 core CPUs will probably not come with Thunderbolt support that I would currently still need for 10G network speed. Edit: Just saw that the 7745 needed 95W for that score so it would be 190W for double the number of cores with everything else being the same - that would not really be that much better than the current top of the line Intel chips and with a lower single core performance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssj92 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 As I suspected, the 16-core top dawg from AMD isn't going to destroy i9 13980HX 2 Alienware m18 : Intel Core i9 13900HX @ 5.0Ghz | nVidia GeForce RTX 4090 | K1675 | 2x1TB SSDs Alienware Area-51M : Intel Core i9-9900K @ 5.3Ghz | nVidia GeForce RTX 2080 | AX210 | Samsung 970 Evo+ Alienware M18x R2 : Intel Core i7 3920XM @ 4.7Ghz | nVidia Quadro RTX 3000 | AX210 | Samsung 980 PRO Alienware 18 : Intel Core i7 4930MX @ 4.5Ghz | nVidia Quadro RTX 5000 | AX210 | Samsung 980 NVMe More Laps: M14x (555m) | M14xR2 (650m) | M15x (980m) | M17xR3 (880m) | M18xR1 (RTX 5000) DT: Aurora R4 (i9 10980XE/RTX 4070) | Area-51 R2 (22-Core Xeon/Titan V) | SR-2 [2x6-Core/3x980Ti] | CS Studios YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/CSStudiosYT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cylix Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-7945hx-16-core-laptop-cpu-trades-places-with-intel-13th-gen-core-i9-hx-series-in-geekbench-leak 1 7950X3D| Zotac 4090 AMP Extreme Airo| MSI MPG B650 Edge Wifi| Lian Li Galahad 360 V2| 48GB GSkillTrident Z RGB 7600|Kingston KC3000 2TB| Fury Renegade 2TB| Lian Li O11 Dynamic Evo| Corsair HX1500i| Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo Asus Zephyrus G15 (Ryzen 9 6900HS + RTX3080) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 16 hours ago, cylix said: https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-7945hx-16-core-laptop-cpu-trades-places-with-intel-13th-gen-core-i9-hx-series-in-geekbench-leak I find GB to be a bit of an insult to geeks. It's very short, therefore the results are quite noisy and thus somewhat unreliable. Otherwise, always good to see AMD breathing down Intel's neck, and pushing them to do more hardcore work for us :) 2 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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