24 minutes ago, Talon said:

I've been using Honeywell PTM 7950 thermal pads in my laptop on the CPU/GPU for a few months now and the stuff is absolutely incredible. Best temps I've ever had for a laptop outside of using liquid metal, and even then it's better IMO because it doesn't seem to dry out/pump out. 

 

I was so impressed with the stuff that I decided to use it on my desktop CPU and that was a huge NO GO. The pad seems to be too thick/mounting pressure isn't sufficient. Or it's almost as if the IHS doesn't let the thermal pad melt properly and acts like a huge insulator. When the pads are used on bare die CPU/GPU it melts and transfers heat like no other. 

 

I have not used the paste, but opted for the 0.2mm pads instead. 

 

https://www.ebuy7.com/buy/jd/10043742472432 I purchased from this website, not this exact seller but this website. Kinda looked shady but the item arrived in about 10 days. 

 

Don't even waste your time with anything else. There is no paste that even comes close to the performance this stuff offers. It's on par with LM with none of the risks. 

 

How do you apply this?
Cut out a small square matching the size of the die, start it up and run a stresstest to melt the pad?

Then I assume out of that you can calculate the price per application and get the sum of total applications you can get out of the sheet, but damn that stuff is expensive 69 usd for 100 * 160mm.

Does liquid metal pump out on laptops? How is the longevity over time?

I'm looking into replacing my kryonaut on my i7-4940mx

8 hours ago, TigTex said:

Hi all

Did any of you tested the new 2022 batch of SYY-157? I'm afraid that the newer batches are less thick and perform worse in laptops (pump out easely) because they mention "new refresh, easier to apply"

 

Honeywell is too much expensive and hard to get and my old tube of SYY-157 is almost empty and I need to apply the best TIM possible for all my customers repairs.

If you do customers repair I assume you need to get a good bulk deal, small syringes of 1g or 3g is too expensive or do you charge a premium?
The closest in your price range while still being the "best" in terms of thermal performance and thickness is Thermalright TFX.
If bulk price is your priority arctic ceramique 2 is a good go to, very thick lasting long time, virtually no pump-out and available in 25g syringes.

9 hours ago, raptorddd said:

does anyone knows what is mx4 W/mK .? am using mx4. i think its fake even though the qr code says its geniune.

what would you susggest that is better than mx4.

 

8,4

7 hours ago, Eban said:

 

Thank you. This is good stuff and probably could use its own sub....url http ftp  tips n tricks  ?!?

 

 

I decided to buy this PTM7950 from Aliexpress...will let you know how it goes. 

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003716844509.html

Doubtful it is real, its specified at being sold at 1kg or 300cc, its either a refill or fake.

Original product safety spec sheet says it is composed of;

aluminium                                                           cas 7429-90-5
zink oxide                                                           cas 1314-13-2
naphtha (petrolieum), hydrotreaded heavy    cas 6472-48-9 also called ISOPARAFFIN L
 

These are most commonly used as a screen printing product, being pre-applied to heatsinks.
Its closest competitor is probably Dow Corning 5000 series which is also used for screen printing on oem heatsinks but being slightly under Honeywell in terms of thermal conductivity.

IBM and now Lenovo had their heatsinks printed just like in the document below in a rectangle with small dots of thermal paste.

I found something else while checking out my go to distributors.
https://www.fischerelektronik.de/web_fischer/en_GB/heatsinks/E01.08/Thermal conductive paste and thermal interface film/PR/WLPK10/index.xhtml

Either way, keep us posted ✌️

PTM79xx-SP-MSDS.PDF PTM7950-DS-R1-F.PDF HEM-TIM-Application-NoteSP-type.pdf

1 hour ago, seanwee said:

Yes but you're not using a solid continuous piece of diamond. Its more like diamond powder suspended in silicone oil so the conductivity won't even come close to matching diamond.

 

Theory is one thing, how it works in real life is another matter entirely. Thats why actual testing is important.

I have to agree, in the spec sheet the polyester surfactant and polymeric dispersant are Trade Secret* and the other two ingredients are

                           % by Wt
CAS Number:    90 - 95
7440-44-0
Activated carbon

and

                           % by Wt
 CAS Number:    0.1 - 0.5 Trade Secret *
1333-86-4
Acetylene carbon black (100% compressed)

Its a good generic thermal conductive paste but not great.
Lifetime wise, sure it is a good thermal paste that age well because its carbon based. I can't speak for the bulk material because the solution is a trade secret.

There are no diamonds by its definition how you would imagine sharp tiny stones in a grey paste thats gonna scratch your silicon, its a very low concentration of Acetylene carbon black which is highly conductive but again a very small quantity.

On 3/17/2022 at 10:41 PM, Eban said:

Yeah I was just having a dig 

Ive used IC diamond before and have no problem with it. Currently using LM on my laptops.

Havent seen these new pads, but I have recently bought an IC Graphite Thermal Pad. Wasnt great for me. Currently using it in my Rugged 7202 tablet, but I will switch it out at some point....possibly for IC diamond paste if I cant get PTM goop.

Got a bit interested but why does their sefety data sheet list a 3M TCG-2035 thermal conductive grease?
Oh. So it is a repacked 3M product
SUPERIOR THERMAL PERFORMANCE- Engineered and made by 3M corporation to meet OEM specifications for the best combination of maximum performance and durability and is repackaged by Innovation Cooling. C of C available on request.

https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=SSSSSuUn_zu8l00xM8t9lxtGOv70k17zHvu9lxtD7SSSSSS--
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b5005035139/

All I know is that anything 3M good, can't fail 3M on anything I buy from them

3 hours ago, Rofa1234 said:

You can buy it from Amazon (One enjoy store), it's available there.

thanks....oh pressing the buy now button in my link sent me to amazon.
I figured it would be free shipping as stated on their website if assumed it would be purchased through their own website.

2 hours ago, seanwee said:

10 months tfx no issues so far

Where can I buy Thermalright TFX in Europe EU?

Seem to be impossible to get my hands on it, buying it from US is not an option...that add up to $100 easily with import charges and VAT

Only one I found is this vendor but I probably gonna be charged import charges
https://www.kingfishercomputers.co.uk/shop/one-enjoy-thermalright-tfx-thermal-compound-paste-14-3-w-mk-carbon-based-high-performance-heatsink-paste-cpu-for-all-coolers-interface-material-2-g-with-tool/

8 hours ago, Eban said:

I cant remember who put it on the Old forum but this one still makes me laugh

found it..

Voted for Notebookrevival.com mostly to hopefully raise awareness to old users to find their way back home.
Me personally, I think efgxt is a bunch of random letters, if I loose my bookmark to this site I'm never gonna find this website again

Not sure if its cke used for WYSIWYG functionality but is it possible to add/edit features?;

• Tables with cell edit functions
• Undo - Redo button
• Embed plugin for youtube video and other services
• Change default behavior of new line to simply make a new line + paragraph and not a new line + paragraph with a slight vertical space
  I keep using shift+enter to save space when I'm posting
  Like this:
  

55 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

Good to have this thread. Thank you to all for your valuable thoughts aftermath.

I believe Market dynamics changed the world entirely. Nowadays people do not care much for tuning or even owning their own hardware. They are simply consuming everything. Be it any form of Entertainment (movies, games, music), News, Hardware & even Cars every single Electric Car is a massive pile of Data equivalent to oil and it's going to be doubled down onto us with these so called "Always Connected" Cars etc. And due to huge growth in mobile devices giving rise to popular social media groups making forums oldschool - WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord etc, these were always on the hindsight of the mega corporations.

 

So by the constant changes shifting the userbase also changed, many ventured into desktops esp after the MXM was axed with 980M being the last, 2015/16. I used to see so many posts and threads back then later on it changed a lot. More so Clevo owners lounges were bustling with all these threads on MXM cards even they changed the Form factor it was plenty. But eventually it faded out. Now Clevo doesn't even make an LGA machine anymore, LGA1200 is the last of it's kind. Kinda mirrors how Alienware went BGA and I remember Porras and other reps who used to help a lot before BGA and all was dead later, but the forums still were having traffic thanks to Papu and other folks constantly engaging and educating folks, still it was not enough. Even Prema is not that active likes of old times. I also remember Svl7, since a long time back. I hope he is fine. Prema is doing well anyways. So is Johnksss all of them BIOS modders.

 

Also @Dannemandbrings up an excellent point of how Vbulletin change effected. This occurred to XDA and Head-Fi too, XDA changed the forum design 2 times. One was I think long back when the forum look changed a lot in 2012-2014 couldn't remember, but still was super popular even if the Android user base was 1%, slowly the Android modding scene also faltered as many stopped thinking about Pocket Computers but rather some media consumption device it dropped to below 1% who mod Android, esp these FB, IG played a big role in changing the thought processes. Now XDA is a barren disaster land, their portal is a joke. Forums are a mess. Android itself is a big gigantic rotting carcass (Android P, Android Q, Android 11). Head-Fi layout also is a giant mess now, I find it very hard to navigate properly. It's mostly a lot of sponsored content emphasized now. With the axing of 3.5mm jack even worse sadly. 

 

Ultimately from what I learnt here, NBR was already on life support. Makes sense since the main sites were dead. Finally they also did some similar analysis, and after the folks at TT who wanted NBR to stay alive also probably left. Saw nothing but a loss of money, thus axed the entire forum along with it's valuable treasure data from the face of internet. A big shame. 

I myself am done with Notebooks pay more for less and get shafted later on. Fun fact - Look at M18x R2 it's running RTX 3000. It even outlived Area 51M. Also now there's no more Unclewebb here for that massive Throttlestop thread, no more TDP Pascal Unlock thread. And a lot of others..Clevo BIOS mod. I fear this even makes the scope shrink further on top of the big little BS from Intel. I wish all the best to all the folks who are going to build the future of NBR on these alternatives. 

 

 

I used to be active both on Head-Fi and XDA.
I stopped being active at Head-Fi a few years back, they changed the website some and I just felt lost.

I was active at XDA in the beginning of android up until 2017-ish and then more sporadic.
First they changed the default theme to an identical theme but narrow formatting, setting the theme to wide theme worked fine as long as you kept cookies for the site up until an admin messed up maintenance on default theme.
They changed the default theme again to a more modern look.
They tried to fix it but failed. Their fix was to be logged in and then setting the theme, saving the settings by profile instead of with a cookie...worked fine the first two or three times until theme reset to default again even signing in.
Pissed me off because
1. Their new had a larger font, less content fit in the same space as the old narrow theme and even less than wide theme.
2. Their fix didn't work.
3. Then they started doing all this stupid redirects for market whatever in the app development section, xposed and magisk. These all required to use the new theme, otherwise you redirected to a page saying something like "this only work on the new theme".

The final draw was the new xenforo platform. Yuk.
I hardly visit xda anymore. Only browsing for device specific threads.
The whole professionalism was lost after ~2015..just crap, noob posts and general support as opposed to actual modifying and low level risky stuff like S-OFF, bootloader reflashing, low level modifying partitions to run newer android versions...I don't remember everything but back then we actually hacked the crap out of our devices and wrote technical documentation and guides for my own use and contribution to our geeky community.
Man the excitement and sweaty scared we all was, its the middle of the night and this command may fail and my phone may never start again. You don't get this excitement nowadays with android anymore.
Most risky you might do is to put your phone in EDL mode.

I had my eyes on the forum the last hours of the day of closure.
A few minutes later I was met with the forum has been set to archive mode, then site under construction.
And now this. Eh well it was fun while it lasted.

Kind of threw me off with this whole thing...not feeling too enthusiastic writing anything, maybe it will pass I dunno.
Hopefully most of old users will find this forum with time, it seems like its the best candidate out of all that popped up.

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Dell Precision M4800

Released Oct 2013
Max cpu:

i7-4940MX

Max ram:

32GB 1866 MHz

GPU options from factory:

NVIDIA Quadro K1100M (2 GB GDDR5)
K2100M (2 GB GDDR5)
AMD FirePro M5100 (2 GB GDDR5)

Review:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Precision-M4800-Notebook.104416.0.html

Owners manual:
https://www.dell.com/support/manuals/en-us/precision-m4800-workstation/precm4800om/before-working-inside-your-computer?guid=guid-0fc4c1f0-96c6-48ac-87b1-f0f2b822ab9c&lang=en-us

Dell Precision M4800 drivers:
https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/product/precision-m4800-workstation/drivers

Spare parts:
https://www.parts-people.com/index.php?action=category&id=142&subid=457