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Clevo X580 TBA at CES 2025 - 18", 4+4 drives and memory, 2xTB5
Sniffy replied to 1610ftw's topic in Sager & Clevo
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Gaming Laptop with Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX LN155605 - 3XS16PL5090 | SCAN UK X560 230W AC X580 330W AC X560 is 355.8(W) x 271(D) x 19.9(H) mm / 2.3kg with an 80WHr battery. TGP of the 5090 is 150W same as the X580 -
Clevo X580 TBA at CES 2025 - 18", 4+4 drives and memory, 2xTB5
Sniffy replied to 1610ftw's topic in Sager & Clevo
Weight and Z-height look like X370 which was 3.44KG and 25mm (according to NotebookCheck). I hope they've done more than just add LEDs. -
Glad you're enjoying it. It's a great machine and sadly the last of its kind. It's getting harder to justify unfortunately, as newer thin and lights are faster now. The sudden shutdowns that people were experiencing seemed isolated to heavy loads, and yeah, some people were affected worse than others while others didn't have issues at all. There were some theories that it related to fan control and such. One thing I'm not sure about is whether people with 10900Ks in the KM-G were also affected, or if it's a Rocket Lake issue only.
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Aah yes I meant it's looking less likely this upgradable notebook will be Clevo or Tongfang. What gives me hope is that they announced only a few models so hopefully there is more to come. If Clevo or Tongfang aren't releasing an upgradable notebook I'm not sure who else on that list it would be. Dellienware seems unlikely so you're left with Lenovo? More upgradeable models from Framework? My other guess would have been MSI but they've already announced. Would be sad if Jarrod has just misheard or been fed bad info...
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XMG have announced some BGA stuff too. Only a few models so hopefully more to come, but looking less likely to be Clevo or TongFang.
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Possibly a few options too!! Curious about which vendors have decided to do this. He basically says that upgradable CPUs and GPUs in laptops could be making a return and stuff will be announced at Computex (next week). Just a 10 second mention after he talks about the Framework 16.
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The 16GB VRAM is important for some work. I use Matlab and other statistical tools on big data for some of my work, and I can fill it up pretty easily. For work, 3080 >>> 2080. For gaming it could be useful as well. I had a 2080 laptop before this one and I think the speed difference is more like 10-20% (not the 8% I always see quoted). It's way more if you like turning RT on in games. Sounds like a problem with the OS. I'd just reinstall if that's an option?
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There's definitely some cool use cases with multiple GPUs. I often need to use my GPU for work (offloading tasks in Matlab which are too slow on a CPU) and it completely ties up the GPU and uses most of its VRAM. I'd love a second to do other things on at the same time. Would also be quite cool to use the host OS on one and virtualize the other and pass it to a VM.
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Looks like Metabox don't list them on their website. You could try contact them? Unsure how I would dump my files. What issues are you having that you think the XMG bios is causing? I also had the slow Thunderbolt controller boot with Linux. For undervolting, maybe try something like this? How far back did you go to enable the LED Keyboard app? I'm using 3.55 which is what Metabox ship with.
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Linux works OK for me with 1.07.08TMB BIOS and 1.07.04TMB EC which is what it came from Metabox with. As solidus mentioned, there are Thunderbolt issues that cause a 2ish minute boot delay (it does boot eventually though), which I think is resolved through a BIOS setting. Fan control and lots of other stuff worked for me using Tuxedo Control Center which is an easy install on any Ubuntu based distro: https://github.com/tuxedocomputers/tuxedo-control-center System76 and Tuxedo both released Linux versions of the X170 and they have submitted patches to the kernel to fix any issues, so it should be one of the better laptops out there for hardware compatibility. Ironically, the only thing I can't get working is the LED Keyboard app in the Clevo Control Center in Windows. No version of CCC seems to fix this, not sure what the problem is.
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What EC are you on? I think problems when using all 4 DIMMs is a long standing issue. I remember reading others dropping back to 64GB (2x32) for that reason.
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I didn't know System76 had done this with the X370. How does Coreboot + open source EC change things for you? Compared to say a other Clevo's with the Tuxedo software installed for fan control, etc? Sounds interesting.
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Am I correct in saying the PCH is cooled by a metal plate under the casing? Just noticed the thermal pad. Did the pad come with the machine or did you place it there?
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I think this has a lot to do with BIOS and EC firmware being a lot better now. Mine shipped with latest and I haven't had any issues yet. Updating to the latest versions hasn't fixed everyones issue, but I wonder if that's due to leftover from older firmwares that aren't resolved by flashing to the latest. Prema has said on the XMG Discord that the hardware itself is all good.
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My worry is that now they've discontinued LGA and MXM laptops, it will be harder to bring them back. IIRC one of the reasons the X170 continued while the Area-51M and GT76 went away is that Clevo had very established channels through which they received support from Intel to implement LGA in laptops because of Clevo's long history of doing so. If that goes away, it might be too much work to get it going again. Plus, in their marketing Intel and some reviewers also have referred to HX as 'desktop processors in a laptop', even though they clearly aren't. This seems to be the path Intel is headed. On their Discord XMG have pretty much said RIP XMG Ultra and moved on. Edit: to answer the OP's question, I don't think Clevo are interested in swappable components anymore. But I hope I'm wrong.
