jaybee83

what were the temps before? i just finished benching the Teamgroup kit one last time and switched over to the "golden" kit at 8000, starting to tighten up timings 🙂

good input, forgot to mention that im actively cooling my RAM with a 140mm Arctic fan. during the RAM kit testing i kept an eye on max temps during stress tests, the best cooled kits were in the low to mid 40s C max temp. whereas the lesser, more plasticky sticks went up to the low 50s. nevertheless, at 1.69V for both VDD and VDDQ (testing voltages, will tune those down later after tightening up timings) those temps are still more than ok and not worried about it 🙂 welp this is one of the many reasons we keep our ladies around, to keep our heads straight when we get lost in hardware land 😄

im guessing the disbelief stems from the marketing, in that those high speed RAM kits basically come "pre-binned" from the factory. only issue being that as opposed to binned GPUs or CPUs, theres much more at play here in terms of mobo / CPU IMC / firmware / user tuning capabilities, so way more factors to consider in being able to reach those advertized speeds. i for one am reaaaaally happy that my CPU / mobo combo is indeed capable of 8000(+) speeds 🙂

Soooo. turns out silicon lottery is real, even with RAM kits. The second Trident Z5 Neo turned out significantly better than the first one, at least being able to make it halfway through testing at DDR5-7800. Secondly, pricing is NO indicator whatsoever when it comes to OC ability on a given mobo. Among all the kits tested, the Kingston Fury was the most expensive (387€ vs. 298€ 2nd place, 270€ avg. and 229€ cheapest kit) but actually performed the worst, erroing out pretty much instantly at 7600. For comparison, the "golden" DDR5-8000 kit i found only cost me 266€, so a tad below average! So this only leaves the 1.35V older sku of the G.Skill 8000 kit, which unfortunately got cancelled / refunded by the shop i ordered with. However, since that kit is specifically the only one listed on the QVL of the X670EE ill try to get my hands on it from a different source. im just too curious to see how it holds up with the 1.30V variant (secretly hoping i might be able to push 8100/8200 😛). so anyways, hope this data might help out someone here! it certainly was an eye opener for me, thanks to bro @Mr. Foxfor putting those silly thoughts into my head 😄 now to initiate the bunch of returns for all the "loser kits" 😛 and hoping to get all my money back 😄 conclusion for now: 4 out of 9 max out at 7400 MT/s, so basically half (including my current TG DDR5-8200 kit) 4 out of 9 max out at 7600 MT/s 1 out of 9 is able to do 8000 MT/s Notes: Striked through: Out of the race Blue: current champ Percentage in parenthesis: how far did the stress test go before it errored out 8000 Mhz G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048E24GX2-TZ5RK 1.30V (newer SKU) = 7600 / 7800 / 8000 / 8100 (Win Logon) G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK 1.35V (older SKU) G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 1 = 7600 (1%) G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 2 = 7600 / 7800 (49%) Patriot Memory PVXR548G80C38K = 7600 / 7800 (3%) Kingston Fury KF580C36RLAK2-48 = 7600 (0%) Lexar ARES Gen2 RGB LD5U24G80C40BR-RGD = 7600 (20%) 8200 Mhz G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8200J4052F24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (97%) 8400 Mhz G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB SP-8400J4052G24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (1%)

no surprise there, reputable seller with top notch wares and awesome pricing 🙂 if only bro fox was located a bit closed id shop at "Mr. Fox Rox Hardware Shop" way more frequently 😄 uhlala going for best bang/buck, nice. keep it up with the impressions on the Astral vs. Windforce. anything catching your eye yet that would be worth a price increase for the Astral, aside from the per pin monitoring? hows the cooling and voltage range on the new card? ill continue the RAM binning today, two more kits currently incoming. that leaves one last kit that hasnt yet shipped from the respective shop. will likely start the return process today for the "loser kits" 😄 and also did a first pricing check on fleabay for my current Teamgroup 8200 kit. ill finish up the tightening of subtimings on the TG kit to get some AIDA64 baseline numbers to compare with the new 8000 speed, should be interesting! speaking of fleabay, just sold my 7950X yesterday to a dude in croatia for about 90% of the current new in box pricing, cant complain!

im guessing u two do something right @benching 😄

yessir, CPU is on an Arctic Freezer II 420 with Noctua IPPC3000 fans in push/pull 😄 interesting tidbit on the kit that made 8000 possible: its 1.35V counterpart is actually the ONLY kit listed at DDR5-8000 on the mobos QVL 😛 so this 1.30V variant seems to be "identical enough" to be able to utilize the firmware compaibility. still waiting on the 1.35V sku tho, very curious to see if its also able to reach 8000 🙂

correct, when it comes to gpus im pretty boring, air cooling only for me. thats why i went for the suprim to get the best air cooler 🙂 btw GOOD NEWS GAIZ! i hit 8000 STABLE on one of the kits yeeeehaw! so this is indeed a very interesting finding, were getting a spread of at least 600 MT/s between the worst and best performing kit on the same cpu + mobo. u basically never see any reviewers doing this, they either bin cpus (seldom) or mobos (mostly). so this is one of the g.skill 8000 kits, the one running at 1.30V for the XMP profile. i also tried 8100 and it booted but then hang during the windows login screen. dont matter tho, ill take 8000! so this leaves 3 kits still to be tested, two out of which are already on their way to me. stay tuned! here the current standings: 8000 Mhz G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048E24GX2-TZ5RK 1.30V (newer SKU) = 7600 / 7800 / 8000 / 8100 (Windows Login) G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK 1.35V (older SKU) G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 1 = 7600 (1%) G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 2 Patriot Memory PVXR548G80C38K = 7600 / 7800 (3%) Kingston Fury KF580C36RLAK2-48 Lexar ARES Gen2 RGB LD5U24G80C40BR-RGD = 7600 (20%) 8200 Mhz G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8200J4052F24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (97%) 8400 Mhz G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB SP-8400J4052G24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (1%)

all kits im testing are 24GB modules. and yes ofc, theres no hardware issue, everything works as intended. its likely optimizations on the firmware level as u mentioned, with some tubtimings tuned a bit differently on each kit. i just saw that asus dropped a new bios with "optimizations for high storage RAM sticks" 😄 not sure if 24GB counts though, they likely mean 32GB+ modules.

ouch, ure not gonna like this bro fox, the first Neo kit errored out right away at 7600. i reran the test and same result 😅 Notes: Striked through: Out of the race Blue: current champ Percentage in parenthesis: how far did the stress test go before it errored out 8000 Mhz G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048E24GX2-TZ5RK 1.30V (newer SKU) G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK 1.35V (older SKU) G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 1 = 7600 (1%) G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 2 Patriot Memory PVXR548G80C38K = 7600 / 7800 (3%) Kingston Fury KF580C36RLAK2-48 Lexar ARES Gen2 RGB LD5U24G80C40BR-RGD = 7600 (20%) 8200 Mhz G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8200J4052F24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (97%) 8400 Mhz G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB SP-8400J4052G24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (1%)

huh! first time ive heard of that paste! seems to perform in the upper echelons, nice 🙂 so far im pretty happy with duronaut, especially the price point is without competition tbh. also still got a bunch of GC extreme and kryonaut, next to the gallinstan and conductonaut extreme i recently bought. for now im all pasted out 😄 well....as in most cases, "it depends" 😄 i for one am very happy about the crazy storage support that the extreme provides, without it i wouldnt have been able to fully stretch my SSD legs based on the high capacity needs that i have. like 99% of the other AM5 boards dont have these capabilities or have them with compromises (i.e. the need to dial down the primary gpu slot). but i agree that in 99% of use cases, godlike / extreme mobos are definitely not needed, especially if all one does is gaming! alright boiz, the RAM kit binning continues. ive finished another two kits, the G. Skill DDR5-8400 and the Patriot DDR5-8000. Although both managed to pass 7600, theyre out of the race because 7800 errored out quite quickly in both cases. Thus far, the G.Skill 8200 kit is by far the strongest contendor, likely capable of getting 7800 stable with a few more adjustments. We also have an additional contender now, bringing the total to 10(!) kits, including the Teamgroup kit im already sporting: turns out the shop i ordered from had the Trident Z5 Neo 32GB 8000 kit labeled incorrectly as the 48GB kit, so i guess i get to compare both the 2x24 and 2x16gb kits 😄 should be interesting after what bro @Mr. Fox mentioned! edit: nevermind LOL. turns out im actually gonna end up with TWO 2x24GB DDR5-8000 Trident Z5 NEO kits 😄 heres the gist: i was using a price search engine to determine which kits and shops i would utilize. the link for the 2x24GB kit led to the shop's listing of the 2x16GB kit which i accidentally then ordered. but in the end they did send me the 2x24GB kit, after all 😄 after i send the order, i separately ordered the 2x24GB kit at another shop, so here we are: two identical kits hahaha. doesnt matter, ill still test them and see whats up 🙂 sorry for the confusion guys, it got a bit messed up 😛 Notes: Striked through: Out of the race Blue: current champ Percentage in parenthesis: how far did the stress test go before it errored out 8000 Mhz G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048E24GX2-TZ5RK 1.30V (newer SKU) G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK 1.35V (older SKU) G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 1 G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 2 Patriot Memory PVXR548G80C38K = 7600 / 7800 (3%) Kingston Fury KF580C36RLAK2-48 Lexar ARES Gen2 RGB LD5U24G80C40BR-RGD = 7600 (20%) 8200 Mhz G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8200J4052F24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (97%) 8400 Mhz G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB SP-8400J4052G24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (1%)

first two ram kits done with testing, unfortunately only these two made the delivery today. but tomorrow should bring along many more packages 🙂 already seeing a bit of a spread, makes me hopeful! so the Lexar kit is the first to drop out of the race, was unstable at 7600. the G.Skill 8200 kit made it through 7600 but errored out at 7800 riiiiight at the very end of the stress test. more to come! 8000 Mhz G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048E24GX2-TZ5RK 1.30V (newer SKU) G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK 1.35V (older SKU) G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Patriot Memory PVXR548G80C38K Kingston Fury KF580C36RLAK2-48 Lexar ARES Gen2 RGB LD5U24G80C40BR-RGD = 7600 8200 Mhz G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8200J4052F24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 8400 Mhz G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB SP-8400J4052G24GX2-TZ5RK

depends. although im not a big fan of the overall form factor with CAMM2, i was hoping for some advantages in terms of signaling / attainable DDR5 speeds. if it really turns out that CAMM2 provides a performance advantage ill go for it for sure, function over form. but as long as traditional sticks can keep up or outperform it, then absolutely, no need for change just for the sake of it! soooo, looks like 6 or 7 out of the 8 RAM kits i ordered will already be arriving today, nice! will keep u guys posted 🙂

right, says the one whos already gone through 6 kits 😄 and hey, its all bro @Mr. Fox fault, he put silly ideas into my head! 😛

yep ive actually had this happen on my current kit 😄 the JEDEC profile for my previous 7950X at bios defaults with this TeamGroup kit was at 5200 Mhz and ran error free in TM5 anta777 absolut profile. but now with the 9950X3D the bios defaults to 5600 Mhz and that profile does not run error free! soo my "stock" bios profile is actually underclocked to 5200 mhz on this kit 😛