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As mentioned, I have upgraded my laptop: Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T]; to 128GB (4x32GB) using: 2x Kingston Fury Impact (2x32GB variation 1) [KF432S20IBK2/64]; for a total of 4x32GB of Kingston Fury Impact memory specced at: 3200MHz CL 20 Dual Rank. For reference, see my two previous posts back for the details/listing of this memory used. 128GB Memory Validation - BIOS: 128GB Memory Validation - CPU-Z: Observations at 64GB upgrade: A) Installation observations: On initially performing the first upgrade from: 2x16GB @ 3200MHz; to: 2x32GB @ 3200 MHz CL 20 Dual Ranked; I upgraded the two rear SO-DIMM slots located on the back of the laptop. Courtesy of @MaxxD, I followed the advice with static resistant gloves and made the upgrade. When I booted the laptop after the first upgrade I got a black screen which I then just held the power button down, waited for it to turn off completely, and then let it boot in to windows. Afterwards, I shut it down properly and checked the BIOS and the memory was there and validated. B) Performance observations: I noticed a doubling in response time. Specifically, response time meaning how fast my laptop would respond to opening memory intensive programs especially browsers with large amounts of tabs including memory intensive tabs such as YouTube/Netflix videos. I also noticed a slight decrease in how hot the CPU would get as well as a slight increase in CPU performance. Observations at 128GB upgrade: A) Installation observations: On finally performing the second upgrade from: 2x32GB @ 3200 MHz CL 20 Dual Ranked; to: 4x32GB @ 3200 MHz CL 20 Dual Ranked; I upgraded the two front SO-DIMM slots located on the front of the laptop underneath the keyboard. This upgrade was much more difficult due to how difficult these two SO-DIMM slots were to access. I ended up having to look up a X170KM-G Service Manual for upgrade/disassembly in order to figure out how to do this (manual linked below). Via the X170KM-G Service Manual, I followed the steps with static resistant gloves and made the upgrade. When I booted the laptop after the second upgrade I got a black screen for over 2-4 minutes, I then just held the power button down, waited for it to turn off completely, and then tried to restart it with another black screen for 5-10 minutes. I then help the down the button, and once off, removed the battery, then replaced the battery and booted, the laptop had a black screen for 1 minute but finally booted into the Sager logo. I hit F2, got into the initial BIOS menu, went into the BIOS settings, and observed the 128 GB memory had posted and was validated via the BIOS. B) Performance observations: I noticed a near doubling in the response time at 128GB as compared to 64GB. There was very little difference in response time delay whether opening a memory intensive program as compared to a non-memory intensive program. In fact, I struggled to find any program that could really tax the memory and "slow" the laptop down. Some interesting observations, on the first couple of boots after the first stable boot I noticed flickering in my external quad 1080P monitor setup which went away by the next day. I also noticed this same flickering when I docked it into my: double 1080P plus single 1440P; monitor setup elsewhere which also went away the next day. I also noticed slight random hesitations/response delays (maybe once every 10 min.) in response time on the same day I upgraded (after I upgraded). These hesitations/response delays were in the form of: the mouse cursor being unresponsive and windows/tabs being delayed in being maximized/minimized or delay in which tab was on top; this continued on to mid-way through the next day and then disappeared. I believe this was related to what is termed 'memory training' that seems to come up when doing large memory upgrades. In my understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong, essentially the system (laptop in this case) has to get used to this capacity of memory by internally configuring itself for the best performance which may take some time (2 days in my case). For reference, I've linked some posts on memory training below. 128GB Upgrade Conclusion: Although the memory has been validated from: BIOS and CPU-Z; I still would like to do some more memory testing. Would there be any applications you guys would suggest for additional memory testing to get a better idea at how this: 128GB (4x32GB) 3200 MHz CL 20 Dual Ranked; memory is performing? For reference, I’ve heard of the ‘MemTest’ application, but I’m not familiar with it. Memory Training Posts: Link 1: https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/7z4cza/what_is_memory_training_does_it_really_work/ Link 2: https://hardforum.com/threads/memory-training-someone-explain-it-to-me-im-an-idiot.1960127/ Link 3: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/upgrading-ram-training-needed.3844192/ X170KM-G Service Manual: X170KM-G Service Manual Link: https://www.manualslib.com/manual/2518243/Clevo-X170km-G.html Laptop: Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T] BIOS(/laptop) manufacturer: Sager BIOS BIOS make: Insyde BIOS model: InsydeH2 BIOS version: 1.07.04LS1 KBC (Keyboard Controller)/EC (Embedded Controller) Version: 1.07.02 ME (Management Engine) FW (Firmware) Version: 15.0.21.1549 Thanks for the information. Since the PCSpecialist X170SM-G BIOS enabled XMP; maybe the PCSpecialist X170KM-G enables XMP as well? Would anyone happen to have the PCSpecialist BIOS for the X170KM-G? Thanks for the information. Has someone already made an archive of all the various hardware resellers' BIOSs for the Clevo X170KM-G? For reference, I have listed below all the hardware variations that I am aware of; thanks to @electrosoft for their hardware listings on the first page of this thread. Hardware Reseller - Model [Region]: Sager - NP9672M-G0/1 [USA] (0/1 denotes Intel 10th/11th Gen) XOTIC PC - G170KM-G [USA] HIDevolution - EVOC X1702* [USA] (* denotes various hardware options; including: 'F'/‘O’ for 10th/11th gen) Hyperbook - GTR [USA] Origin PC - EON17-X X170KM [USA] Eluktronics - THICC-17 [USA] zTecPC - zT-X170KM-G PCSpecialist - Recoil-V-17 [UK] Eurocom - Sky Z7 R2 [Canada] Schenker XMG - Ultra 17 [Europe] Dream Machines - X170KM-G [Europe] Metabox - Prime-X [Australia] For clarification, will the Intel FPTW utility allow me to backup my BIOS, Insyde 1.07.04LS1, without the use of an eeprom reader? Will it also allow to me backup the: KBC (Keyboard Controller)/EC (Embedded Controller) and ME (Management Engine) FW (Firmware)? For reference, I have listed my laptop model and BIOS information below. Laptop: Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T] BIOS(/laptop) manufacturer: Sager BIOS BIOS make: Insyde BIOS model: InsydeH2 BIOS version: 1.07.04LS1 KBC (Keyboard Controller)/EC (Embedded Controller) Version: 1.07.02 ME (Management Engine) FW (Firmware) Version: 15.0.21.1549 Would you be able to tell if the Origin PC's motherboards were slightly modified by comparing drivers to another manufacturer's? For reference, I have listed the Origin PC's EON17-X X170KM-G drivers and the Sager Notebook NP9672M-G0 drivers. Origin PC EON17-X X170KM-G: https://support.originpc.com/hc/en-us/articles/23433172227341-EON17-X-X170KM-Drivers Sager Notebook NP9672M-G0: https://www.sagernotebook.com/drivers.php?cat=776 Would you happen to have the model number and link to the OEM Samsung memory qualified for that X170KM-G BIOS? Specifically, is that memory qualified to run at 128GB (4x32GB)? EDIT: Images fixed for easier viewability.

Thanks for the information; does the XMG BIOS support XMP to be enabled? I am asking because my current Sager BIOS does not have a 'XMP enabled' option. For reference, I have listed below the information on my Sager BIOS for my: Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T]; along with an image of it. BIOS(/laptop) manufacturer: Sager BIOS BIOS make: Insyde BIOS model: InsydeH2 BIOS version: 1.07.04LS1 KBC (Keyboard Controller)/EC (Embedded Controller) Version: 1.07.02 ME (Management Engine) FW (Firmware) Version: 15.0.21.1549 Sager BIOS - Insyde InsydeH2 BIOS - v1.07.04LS1: That is great to hear that you're testing 4x32GB DDR4 32000MHz CL20 in your X170SM-G. It's also good to hear that 4x16GB (64 GB) DDR4 32000MHz CL20 runs without problems in your other X170SM-G; thanks for the info. For reference, I will also be testing: 32GB DDR4 3200 MHz CL20; in my Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T] laptop using: Kingston Fury Impact (2x32GB variation 1) [KF432S20IBK2/64]; first at 2x32GB (64 GB) then at 4x32GB (128 GB). The first link and second link refer to the same SO-DIMM: Mushkin Enhanced Redline (2x32GB) [MRA4S320GJJM32GX2]. Note, the CAS Latency (CL) for this SO-DIMM is 16, but the individual timings are: 16-18-18-38; hence both the 16 and 18 figures referenced. For reference, the specifications for this SO-DIMM can be seen from the SO-DIMM link listed in my previous post by clicking on the 'Specs' tab in the middle of the page linked. For reference, this link has been relisted below. Mushkin Enhanced Redline (2x32GB) [MRA4S320GJJM32GX2] Newegg Link: https://www.newegg.com/mushkin-enhanced-64gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820992006 What is 'IMC'? That's great to hear that 4x32GB DDR4 3200MHz CL20 RAM (Kingston) works in your X170SM-G. In looking over your images, it appears to confirm that the: Kingston Fury Impact (2x32GB variation 1) [KF432S20IBK2/64]; is dual rank; as your part number (KF3200C20S4/32GX) matches my part number. Also in looking over the images, it looks like your laptop specifically is the zTecPC X170SM-G with PremaMod BIOS? I am asking because I had heard that the zTecPC X170KM-G was supposed to have the PremaMod BIOS; although, I don't know if that BIOS mod was ever released. Does anyone know if the zTecPC X170KM-G Prema BIOS mod was ever released? Thanks for the picture. I don't see that option in my Sager BIOS (InsydeH20 version 1.07.04LS1), so I don't think my BIOS supports/has 'XMP enabled' as an option. Thanks for the guidance and luck; I followed the guidance and was able to complete the installation. 🙂 I'm happy to report that I successfully installed the: Kingston Fury Impact (2x32GB variation 1) [KF432S20IBK2/64]; in to my: Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T]; laptop. For context, the BIOS in my laptop is the: Sager BIOS (InsydeH20 version 1.07.04LS1). For reference, I have listed below the CPU-Z images for this laptop memory. I also came across this helpful YouTube video showing how to change the two back SO-DIMM memory modules on a X170KM-G; I've linked this video below as a reference for others. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDveihNB6Nw Thanks for the Amazon review; it is informative and appreciated. Were you ever able to get XMP to be enabled on your X170KM-G (11th gen)? If so, how? Did you have to use a specific BIOS brand/version? Thank you for the feedback on the: Crucial Ballistix 3200 MHz CL16 kit 2x16GB (32GB) [BL2K16G32C16S4B] modules; currently, I am only looking for SO-DIMM memory at: 32000MHz and 32 GB; single module with CL ratings less than CL22. Does Crucial have a SO-DIMM memory module at: 3200 MHz 32GB (1x32GB) with a CL less than 22? What laptop brand and what BIOS is your X170SM-G? For context, it is my understanding that both the: X170SM-G and X170KM-G; at stock BIOS (from Clevo) do not support XMP. If this is not the case; please let me know.

I ordered the following memory which just arrived: Kingston Fury Impact (2x32GB variation 1) [KF432S20IBK2/64] Voltage: 1.20 V Link: https://www.newegg.com/kingston-64gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/0RM-001W-005Z9 Is there any guide for installing/upgrading memory on this laptop: Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T]?

That's awesome to hear and see (thanks for the pics). Would you be able to take a pic of the "good setting for this RAM module, 3200 MHz CL17"? For context, I am asking because I'd liked to check if my: Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T]; has a similar option in the BIOS. Thanks so much for the update! 🙂

Thank you for the CL on that Samsung DDR4 3200 MHz 32GB (M471A4G43AB1-CWE) memory. I looked up the, GSkill F4-3200C18D-32GRS, on Newegg as well as Amazon, and both have this memory listed as 2x16GB modules at CL18. For clarification, I am looking for 1x32GB module at 3200 MHz with a CL lower than CL22 (in order to have a 4x32GB configuration at max CL speed). For reference, see below the Newegg and Amazon links. Newegg Link: https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820232714 Amazon Link: https://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-Ripjaws-PC4-25600-SO-DIMM-F4-3200C18D-32GRS/dp/B07CGY75VT Thank you for the caution on the memory testing. I imagine as long as I keep my current memory modules (2x16GB) as backup; I should be ok to simply swap those back in if anything goes wrong with the memory testing, right? Thank you for the G Skill SO-DIMM 3200 MHz 32GB at CL22 listing. I came across this one as well as others when searching for memory for my laptop. As an update, for SO-DIMM 3200 MHZ 32GB single module memory at less than CL22: I came across the following options, and thought I would post them here for others to see and ask if they're compatible with, in addition to my own, Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T] laptop, their own X170KM-G variations. Specifically, I noticed several of these 'less than CL22' options specified a voltage of: 1.35 V; would that memory voltage be supported on this laptop? On a related note, I've read from Amazon reviews, that some of these 'less than CL22' memory modules will only hit their advertised speed: 3200 MHz; only if: XMP is supported and enabled; otherwise they will run slower than 3200 MHz. Is this actually the case? And is this XMP support/enabling related to which memory voltage is supported between: 1.20 V vs 1.35 V? CL 16 Option(s): Mushkin Enhanced Redline (2x32GB) [MRA4S320GJJM32GX2]* Voltage: 1.35 V Rank: ? Newegg Link: https://www.newegg.com/mushkin-enhanced-64gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820992006 CL 18 Option(s): Patriot Viper Steel (1x32GB) [PVS432G320C8S] Voltage: 1.35 V Rank: ? Newegg Link: https://www.newegg.com/patriot-32gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820225319 CL 20 Option(s): Kingston Fury Impact (1x32GB) [KF432S20IB/32] Voltage: ? Rank: ? Newegg Link: https://www.newegg.com/kingston-32gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/0RM-001W-005Y8 Kingston Fury Impact (2x32GB variation 1) [KF432S20IBK2/64] Voltage: 1.20 V Rank: Dual Link: https://www.newegg.com/kingston-64gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/0RM-001W-005Z9 Kingston Fury Impact (2x32GB variation 2) [RFIB4-32C20K2/64] Voltage: 1.20 V Rank: ? Link: https://www.newegg.com/kingston-64gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820242760 *On the: Mushkin Enhanced Redline (2x32GB) [MRA4S320GJJM32GX2]; I found this very relevant review from Amazon's listing:

As a follow up, does the Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T] support XMP? I am asking because I want to see if this laptop allows XMP to be enabled for memory overclocking; specifically, with memory (SO-DIMM) at DDR4 3200 MHz 32GB? Thanks for the information. In looking over the offerings of laptop memory at: DDR4 3200 MHz 32GB; I have not seen any CAS Latency (CL) values lower than CL22. Are there any SO-DIMM memory modules at: DDR4 3200 MHz 32GB; that have CL values less than CL22? Thanks for the suggestion. I took a look at the links provided, and it seems from the first link that the CL value for that memory, Samsung DDR4 3200 MHz 32GB (M471A4G43AB1-CWE); is not specified. Would you happen to know what the CL value is for that memory?

I've finally had some time to get around to upgrade my: Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T)]; laptop. Specifically, I brought a 10900K to install into this laptop a while back, and am now ready to do that installation. I also purchased the RocketItCool: Copper IHS kit and Delid Kit; for 10th gen CPUs to get the most performance out of my 10900K. I wanted to ask: I'm currently running in my laptop the default RAM from Sager at: 32GB Dual Channel DDR4 SDRAM at 3200MHz - 2 X 16GB; as listed from my original order information. In upgrading the RAM for my laptop to get the most memory at 128 GB (4x32 GB memory modules) and at the highest supported speed; what would the max MHz speed be that is supported on this laptop? What would be the best RAM brand to buy and at what max speed? By the way, I just wanted to say a thank you to @electrosoft as his guidance has been so helpful from when I was on the NotebookReview site to here as well as all the other users here.

Recently, XMG announced the APEX 15 MAX (E22) [Clevo NH5#VR] {AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (16C/32T} variant} (where # denotes a number indicating non-essential cosmetic differences). Since this announcement I've been wondering how the XMG APEX 15 MAX (E22) [Clevo NH5#VR] {AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (16C/32T) variant} would perform as compared to their XMG Ultra 17 (M20) [Clevo X170KM-G) {Intel i9-10900K (10C/20T) variant}. While XMG's APEX 15 MAX (E22) [Clevo NH5#VR] {AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (16C/32T}'s announcement page lists a benchmark overview comparison**; they do not list the XMG Ultra 17 (M20) [Clevo X170KM-G] {Intel i9-10900K (10C/20T) variant} as one of the laptops compared in their benchmark overview. I have asked XMG via Reddit to add the XMG Ultra 17 (M20) [Clevo X170KM-G] {Intel i9-10900K (10C/20T)} variant to their comparison benchmark overview, but they have not added this laptop yet. Absent of this comparison, I have been struggling to figure out how the: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (16C/32T) [105W TDP] with base clock: 3.4 GHz and max boost clock: up to 4.9 GHz performs in the XMG APEX 15 MAX (E22) [Clevo NH5#VR] as compared to how the: Intel i9-10900K (10C/20T) [125W TDP] with base frequency: 3.7 GHz and boost frequency 5.1 GHz performs in the XMG Ultra 17 (M20) [Clevo X170KM-G]. Specifically, since the XMG APEX 15 MAX (E22) [Clevo NH5#VR] runs the AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (16C/32T) [105W TDP] at: 65W base/88W PPT (Package Power Tracking) whereas the XMG Ultra 17 (M20) [Clevo X170KM-G) runs the Intel i9-10900K (10C/20T) [125W] at: 125W. As a result, I am trying to figure out how the AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (16C/32T) [65W base/88W PPT] would perform as compared to the Intel i9-10900K (10C/20T) [125W]? While AMD and Intel list on their respective CPU spec sheets base clocks, base TDPs, and boost clocks; neither lists "boost TDP" in other words how much watts past the base TDP watts you have to hit to get those respective claimed boost clocks. This is further compounded by the fact that both AMD and Intel on their respective spec sheets also do not list "all-core" speeds for their respective CPUs, so I've had to look at tech publication reviews for the AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (16C/32T} which subjectively lists their all-core clock at: 3.85-4.0 GHz (16C/32T) [???W] and Intel i9-10900K (10C/20T)'s Wikipedia page which subjectively lists their all-core clock at: 4.8 GHz (10C/20T) [???W]***. Given the different all-core speeds, the inherent issue here is this - how do you account for the difference in cores/threads to determine which performs better when they both have different all-core speeds? Put another way: at what all-core clock speeds (for each) is equal performance reached between the AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (16C/32T} and the Intel i9-10900K (10C/20T)? For reference, on my Sager NP9672M-G0 [Clevo X170KM-G] {Intel i9-10900K (10C/20T) variant} I can hit a max all-core speed of: 4.7 GHz using around 200W sustainably on the edge of but not hitting thermal throttling; where any higher and thermal throttling kicks in. The focal point of my question is this: how does a X GHz all-core speed on 16C/32T at 65W/88W PPT (XMG APEX 15 MAX (E22) [Clevo NH5#VR]) compare to a Y GHz all-core speed on 10C/20T at 125W/~200?W boost (XMG Ultra 17 (M20) [Clevo X170KM-G])? For context, I do data analysis work, so I'm trying to gauge the all-core (aka multicore) performance comparison between these two laptops and their respective desktop CPUs; as I am trying to figure out if there is an increase in all-core performance in purchasing the XMG APEX 15 MAX (E22) [Clevo NH5#VR] {AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (16C/32T} variant} |65W/88W PPT| over my existing Sager NP9672M-G0 [Clevo X170KM-G] {Intel i9-10900K (10C/20T) variant} |125W/200W boost|. Links: 1) **XMG APEX 15 MAX (E22) [Clevo NH5#VR] {AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (16C/32T} variant} Announcement Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/XMG_gg/comments/ujn04y/launch_extended_ryzen_5000_cpu_support_in_xmg/ 2) **XMG APEX 15 MAX (E22) [Clevo NH5#VR] {AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (16C/32T} variant} Benchmark Overview Link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTJdELoyS9gEPIJCb4_y7-d4TlV5V_skKFkzUQFnGH84szj5JdpfA1yxFByUi0cxrJE8igObxrJ6RJ3/pubhtml 3) ***AMD Ryzen 9 5950X All-Core Speed Link: https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/amd-ryzen-9-5950x-zen-3-cpu-review/all/1/?PageSpeed=noscript 4) ***Intel i9-10900K All-Core Speed Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Lake_(microprocessor)