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10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Offloading frame gen to a secondary card via which method?

 

In regards to just generically picking amongst that group, it would be the 9070xt but depending on how you're offloading and executing FG, it would come down to potentially best bang for the buck too.

 

Lossless Scaling allows using a second GPU for Frame Generation. 

I tested it initially with the 3090Ti (raster) and 1080Ti as the frame gen card. I was able to get stable FPS with Monster Hunter Wilds running native at 3440x1440 and from a perception standpoint it was smooth. 

This was running 3090Ti PCIe 3 x16 and 1080Ti PCIe 3 x4 which is pretty limiting for this type of scenario. 

I would like this for smoothing out 4K120 until all the new stuff comes out. 

Ideally you run (for 4K120) at minimum PCIe 4 x8/x8. You also want to set a framerate that doesnt cause the GPU to sit at full tilt, so if 110 is your max average then set the framerate for 90, let the mule carry it to 120 via dynamic framerate target. It also has the standard 1/2/3 multipliers also.

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

My vote would be for the 9070 XT. So far it is AMD's best GPU in terms of performance.

Forgive me I typed it all out on my phone at break but this second GPU would strictly be just for Frame Gen mule under lossless scaling, my 7900 XTX would still be my raster, at 3Ghz its pretty good for me 24/7. I dont care about power savings, but I do concern myself with the 12VHPWR which is why Im dancing around upgrading to something "modern".

This is all just so I have 4K120 comfortably in recent single player titles. I prefer the idea of offloading frame gen to a second GPU over having it done on the same one.

Also looking at the IOCrest M.2 to 10Gbps adapter also and lastly the GC-Titanridge TB3 card for the last slot.

I think this would make for the best "everything I can think of" daily driver for a while.

Welp, scratch the ACE. Looks like Asus never fixed Curve Optimizer in the BIOS so it doesnt actually work lol, Back to the drawing board.

The Crosshair VIII Dark Hero looks like a good replacement choice.

So now I'm looking at one of the following 

7800 xt, 7900 xt, gre, 9070, xt, possible 7900 xtx

Also looking to pick up an x570-ace for dual GPU scenario in tandem with losses scaling. 

Only reason for entertaining a second 7900 xtx is in the faint hope I can get one with better memory overclocking. Seems to be where people are able to hit gold. 

At that point I'll pick up a waterblock for the 5800 X3D also, I'll make it easier on my fingers digging into the system time and again. 

Also tried booting some of the Gpu's I have but don't seem to be porting lol just my luck

Hey fellas, commenced on more testing for getting Dual GPU's running on my ITX system. 

Long story short; on X570, it failed all attempts. 

Short story long - I was able to get both GPU's to post once I got longer PCIE extension cables but was unable to get a game running and every crash I was essentially starting over with getting the system to POST. So PCIE x16 to x8x8 remains illusive despite the BIOS supporting it. This method has been formerly put to rest for my platform.

I did fall back to an NVME to PCIE x4 and tested with the RX 6500 XT which did prove successful. This type of solution would work fine for 1080p and maybe 1440p however 4K120hz HDR requires PCIe 4 x8 to be functional, not to mention a beefier GPU. 

Sadly this means that Dual-GPU Frame Generation for my AM4 system will once more go on ice. 


What I am thinking of doing is getting another 1080mm radiator and refocusing my efforts towards benching. The current scenario with the A/C, particularly where the A/C vents cold air relative to the where the rad sits is inefficient. A lot of cold air is currently being wasted.

The idea I had is to create a "box" right outside where the A/C vents, then the 2x 1080mm rads would "exhaust" that air into the room and any leakage would either fall down to the systems below or not be significant enough to matter.

Anything interesting I should consider adding to this loop?

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, now the trolls come out of the woodwork. Entitlement is a serious problem. That's one reason why @Prema changed his approach. Good guys are always hated, LOL.

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29569920/

 

25 bucks is honestly not much at all, especially these days. Perhaps I would be more inclined to pay that given I know some of your history and how high of standard you set for whats acceptable, let alone whats considered useful for benching. If you decide to give it away for free or charge w/e price you want that choice is ultimately yours. 

Anyone who skoffs at that can honestly kick rocks. In fact it pisses me off at how lax the moderation is over there as discussing pricing openly was always against their TOS unless they changed it. 

The whole thing reminds me of the type of person who would spend 5 grand on a pc only to re-use some long retired ratted out power strip and complain about it catching fire.

Honestly dont regret no longer surfing those forums.

18 hours ago, Developer79 said:

Hi,
I think only later Intel chipsets, starting around the 700–900 series, support more than 16 lanes!!! The older Z370 and earlier models only support 16 lanes. A manufacturer like Clevo could have included automatic detection, but they didn’t. In any case, my board supports the full 16 lanes...which is probably what most people here want 🙂

Im pretty sure the PCIE lanes to the CPU remains the same at 20 lanes but you can get more via chipset (albeit, slower and shared) 

Still, looking forward to how this ends. Might even sell all my old spare parts to consolidate into a P870 chassis

I havent seen a single device running via two MXM slots before. I understand that x8 makes sense since its a consumer level chipset, likely 20 lanes if I had to guess? 

I know everyone is getting excited, but please keep the double posting to a minimum.

Curious you are using both MXM connectors? 

8 hours ago, KING19 said:

 

That why its a mod and its not easy to pull off, a lot of time and money but its cool to see other people doing this to fight back against NVIDIA. Sadly AMD refuses to take advantage of NVIDIA's mistakes to make themselves a good option. Speaking of the RTX3000 series there are rumors that NVIDIA is bringing back RTX 3060 GPUs

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/GeForce-RTX-3060-re-launch-Nvidia-preparing-to-bring-back-5-year-old-gaming-GPU-later-this-month-claims-report.1245823.0.html

 

 

 

This is stupid, why politicians from both parties always create terrible solutions that wont change anything especially when kids are very tech savvy. Plus this bill is useless especially when Parents buy PCs for their kids they register the account (MS Account) or whatever under the parent's name and age, It would be more scary if they have to verify the age of the user through a webcam every time you wanna login. Just another excuse for the government to take more money out of regular people pockets. Also the media is nothing but propaganda and ragebait same with social media.  

Of course, its not something I would recommend to the laymen. Just something I have been fondly passively following for the past couple of years. Mods are always exciting when you are watching someone else suffer the ups and downs. When I was modding the Alienware 17 R1 my friends thought I was nuts taking a Dremel to my laptop and "making" my own heatsinks and there were definitely plenty of times I was questioning whether or not I was tempting fate! lol Like an idiot I did it anyways.

The Red Devil 7900 XTX effectively is that new scratch to that "itch".

Heck I have been semi debating picking up a DDR3 based system just to see how it performs under games of this era. I have enough hardware though so I really shouldnt.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/406231132612?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D777008%26algo%3DPERSONAL.TOPIC%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20250417133222%26meid%3D3b5d9c1dce2a42bca896f1dd563e6c62%26pid%3D102727%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26mehot%3Dnone%26itm%3D406231132612%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D4375194%26algv%3DWatchlistVariantWithPSItemDR_BP%26brand%3DASUS&_trksid=p4375194.c102727.m162921

If they accepted 300 might be a fun deal, looks like a lot of cleanup though.


As for the politics, lets steer it back away from that. Feel free to discuss the issue itself but lets leave the politicians off the thread. Feel free to continue via PM :) 

Tried Bifurcation again today and sadly no dice, system would hang half way through post.

Oh well, I'll return the adapters at some point during the week and hang up this goal for a while. Likely going to need that adapter from C_Payne in the UK.

Otherwise I want to get more hoseline and make some adjustments to my setup and the benching itch has been working me over for a while now. Maybe I'll start with the EAH4890 and potential Tri-Fire.

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nice trade. I think you made out better than your coworker did.

 

First GPU? Man, that's a hard one. There have been so many over a long period of time. I'd just have to take a wild guess and say something like an 8800GT or maybe a Radeon Pro / All-in-Wonder Pro (both were AGP, before PCIe was invented). Maybe I am dating myself by guess one of those oldies. I can still remember running Voodoo and Matrox cards before NVIDIA or AMD.

Just realized you cant see the connector, its definitely PCIe 2.0 sorry about that lol

The 5700 XT gave him a 100% boost in performance and double the VRAM. I just needed something else that was "newer" mainly for the HDMI 2.1 connector. The card may not be able to handle 4K Frame Gen but didnt want to buy anything until I could figure out what works for me. 

Gives me something else to submit into hwbot also

I gave up the 3090ti for FG, installing the drivers for both vendors is such a huge headache and Microsoft likes to muddle with settings without user input. Keeping to one vendor should eliminate that hurdle but i'll know more tomorrow when the 100mm ribbon arrives

I traded one of my Gigabyte 3 fan 5700 XT's for a 3 fan Gigabyte 6500 XT. Cant recall the last time I used a GPU that only had 2 I/O ports outside of maybe laptops.

Couple of new additions to the roster.

Traded one of my 5700 XT's to a coworker for his 6500 XT. It'll act as my frame Gen mule on the TV and main gaming monitor. 

The second was my first real GPU. Anyone care to guess what it is? 

Just now, Mr. Fox said:

I think the vBIOS has to support it. If it does not that might be why there are no examples of it having been done on numerous other video cards rather than just a select few.

The vBIOS was modified and did report 16GB but failed any test plus didnt output any direct images from the GPU (guessing iGPU was used for trial and error)

I think, sadly, this is more of a Nvidia was entertaining the idea of 8GB and 16GB variants back then, deciding only to release 8GB variants versus AMD who never entertained 16GB consumer cards. In theory it the GPU is compatible since the workstation variant exists with 16GB but there may be significant differences in the PCB.

Since RTX 30xx continued its dominance, we lost innovation since AMD couldnt hold Nvidia to the fire. I really enjoy my 7900 XTX and how much I was able to extract out of it. 

Stock OC vbios: 2565
Aquas OC vbios: 3Ghz 24/7

Highest OC: 3300c

That being said it'll never beat a 4090 with the same amount of time put in.

 

5 hours ago, KING19 said:

I bet some of you here are going to try this mod too some day😁. 

 

 

I know its not a new mod but its cool to see NVIDIA getting screwed by the consumer for once

I actually REALLY want to do this...for my RX 5700 XT's. I still have 3 of them and last time I used one it immediately hit 8GB VRAM buffer in Sons of the Forest :( 

Sadly there are no success stories of anyone doing this for that card. I continue to hold out hope, maybe I need to setup a bounty for it to generate interest? Not sure how I would even go about it. Especially considering Lossless Scaling Dual GPU FG, just need one card that has the 16GB VRAM and the other could be left as is.

I keep revisiting the old reddit thread where one university student tried it, looks like it failed and/or lost interest due to lack of time.

Would be a lot of fun going from 8GB 14Gbps to 16GB 18Gbps + OC. I hold out hope but gotta admit its disheartening not seeing any progress made towards that end.

If you think about it from the inside out there is no reason to bin anything at all for quality considering the current market forces in play. 

I'm sure the cynical outlook might be that they are binning server gpu's and we get the left overs. I doubt they are binning anything at all for any interested party since the demand is so fierce and prices making all the shareholders quite happy. 

I was thoroughly surprised to see that my 3090ti was numbered and also tested for its clock speed which was written on the frame of the GPU die (#1479 and 2055 if memory serves). I'd be lying if I didn't entertain selling the thing an extra 1200-1300 is a fair bit of spending money. Decided against it, plenty of uses for a 3090ti. Pretty happy that I was able to find an unused ek-wb for it they should pair up nicely someday. 

Maybe someday I can be bothered with Memory tuning, but its not going to be today, or tomorrow, or the day after :) 

I enjoy overclocking to yield tangible gains in gaming.

Looks like PCIe Bifurcation works on my Aorus ITX x570. That being said I had to scrunch up the ribbon cables so much for the test that I think it was rendered non-functional. The 7900 XTX wouldnt show up at all and the 3090Ti was misbehaving quite severely reporting the link at PCIE 2.0 

But it POSTed! so thats progress of a sorts. Got a shorter ribbon (60mm) so hopefully that works i'll test this weekend.

34 minutes ago, Developer79 said:

No GTX1080 from Clevo will fit in there. That said, I would recommend the RTX3070 or something similar!
Unfortunately, there is so little space that only other manufacturers are using new graphics chips! I don't have any good ideas yet... 

Quite right, the fans location prevents MXM 3.1b cards from being able to fit traditionally. I may have to go the MXM to PCIe route or something more extreme if I want to keep using the platform. Finding a decent 1:1 component transplant doesnt seem to exist though :( 

I have a T14 for work, it mostly gets the job done fairly well. 

13 hours ago, Developer79 said:

I'll let you know when I'm ready! :-)
Well, you can't do much with that...

Oh well, there are other routes I can go also. 

either way still would love to see what you come up with :) 

19 hours ago, Developer79 said:

I can only agree with some of the previous speakers. Unfortunately, genuine DTRs are completely extinct these days. This has mainly to do with Nvidia's contracts. I know from reliable sources that they want to control everything and only tolerate soldered variants, especially for laptops. The only exception Nvidia makes is for industrial devices and military technology. Clevo was really the last major milestone in terms of BIOS and MXM standards.

 

I had the ideas for my P870xx projects years ago because Clevo was still doing real high-end development with the greatest possible flexibility.

 

I would like to thank the people in the forum for their support. I hope my desktop extension will be fully operational soon.

 

 

I'd love to see it when it is complete! 

I still have my P750ZM > DM-G running a 9700F but the 1080 MXM @ 180w is failing so I was considering what to do with what I have left.

I bought another 16x to x8x8 adapter that is a bit more direct and doesnt use the SAS interconnects + daughterboards.

If this doesnt work then I'll just have to eat the L and buy the adapter from C_Payne as he had tested his adapter with my motherboard years ago as working. Trouble is the guy is not based in the US so i'll have to risk the overseas + customs. Really want to test 7900 XTX and 3090Ti together though I could go with less I am enabling the idea of getting a second 1080mm UT45 for "symmetry" purposes under the AC unit. If so then I would likely go for a waterblock on the 5800X3D just to make it easier on my fingers.

Also bought another PSU for the benching rig. Be Quiet 1000w. If I need more power I still have 3x 900w for GPU's.

Going to be changing up my DD a bit as the current scenario is not really optimal for benching. God of War: Ragnarok took the GPU to 39c the other night so I think I am too close to the wall and recirculating air.

Welcome to the forums! 

We opened this forum so that it can be a soft landing pad for those who still surfed those forums could still mingle. 

Personally I wanted to keep in contact with those of like mind in hobbies that I also enjoy. 

Forums have become fragmented over time especially for laptops as manufacturers become more and more locked down both on software and hardware. 

The identity of the forum may change over time as a result. That being said we are able to keep the forum relatively light in cost so as a result we are comfortable keeping it alive effectively forever. 

You can always PM me if you have questions or concerns I do try to be as fair as possible in moderating. 

Nice results! 

Welcome to the forums we always enjoy 3dmark around these parts :) 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I normally do not because people like that are not worth the effort. Nothing said can address their mental illness. I started/stopped more than once before replying, but when I noticed him being an ass to multiple people I decided it was worth the risk. The response I posted was much kinder and more humorous that the few I started to post and did not. I also pinged the moderators to draw their attention to the butthead.

That was one of the main reasons I stopped surfing there. 

Idiots can run their mouths but if you engage you were treated the as committing the same crime. It was even worse with their vendor reps at the time. 

I hope it has improved over the years but with that site having sold it's IP several times over now the sense of identity it had is likely fizzled even moreso.