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Honestly cant see myself spending more than 700ish for a GPU, that being said I will happily buy used in order to still maximize performance per dollar spent as I have done for years at this point. 

Though in reality I'll upgrade to suit the need, if there is a title that I must play and I know that its beyond what my 7900 XTX can support then I'll likely sell this card (if today, it would likely be at cost or even a profit strangely enough) to look at the next step up. It would be hard to see anything short of a 4090 as an upgrade. Would have to be bewitched to spend 3k on a GPU though...

That being said its all relative, I come from lets just say extremely meager means on more than one occasion so my barometer for such things is skewed in that direction.

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Why? Because....

 

1. MSRP.

2. I like the look/form factor of the FE series.

3. Price:performance it is actually one of the best (if not the best with 9070/xt temporary launch pricing now a thing of the past)  just like the 4070 was retail pricing which I pointed out back during ada.

 

 

Of course the above is no longer true because the temporary introductory prices of the 9070 and 9070xt no longer exist and the MSRP is now higher while the 5070 FE has remained the same.

 

People seem to get stuck on the whole VRAM issue. I am one of the few who thinks the whole 8gb fiasco is blown out of proportion and an 8GB card is ok depending on your use case. I also think 10GB and 12GB is just fine too.  I watched the reviews of the 5060 and 5060ti and went, "Ya know, it's not that bad at all..." Same for the 9060xt w/ 8GB of VRAM.

 

 

Moving that 3Dvcache underneath the CCD has made a major difference. Once they slap it on both and improve their interconnects even more, it will be near perfect.

 

Oh, and go ahead and offer a dual binned variant and call it "Extreme Edition" if you want ala Intel style and charge a touch more and I'm there for it.

 

 

I share similar sentiments regarding the 8GB VRAM from an abstract stance, that being said the people who most likely need to be the ones checking in advance as to if that should be a concern are also the most likely to never consider it in the first place. 

I can think of a litany of uses for 8GB VRAM, but at 24GB Im not thinking of use cases anymore.

On 6/5/2025 at 12:00 PM, win32asmguy said:

 

Not sure about SAC Bomber, but maybe if he no longer has an account then the associated threads he started get removed as well.

This is an accurate assessment. User demanded account deletion and all content thereof.

8 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

LOL The 5090 is all too cheap. 

 

I could see 8GB making sense for internet cafe's where most people would only be playing esporty titles, but only if the price was right.

I used one of my 5700 XT's to float me between the 3090 and 7900 XTX. Played Sons of the Forest and was immediately sitting right at the buffer. That isnt to say I would never use 8GB again but what I did with it would definitely be curated vs the current throw on anything and not worry about it type of scenario that 24GB affords me.

I think the latest DOOM also had RT built in as well iirc

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I was watching a Moore's Law is Dead video and apparently it is based on some leaked benchmarks.

 

As long as the temps are not 100°C I would gladly buy a 4090-level AMD card for the price of a 5080 or less. So, I hope it is true, but we shall see. AMD really doesn't cater to performance enthusiasts. Their niche is more geared toward mainstream on everything.

Would definitely be of interest to me as well under those circumstances. Not sure if there would be a real need for 32GB VRAM though.

Playing Warhammer 40k Space Marine 2 with some 4k texture mods, appears to be sitting around 13GB VRAM @ 3440x1440 resolution. I wouldnt say I always play the latest titles so perhaps my opinion is skewed on that front. Of course everything tends to boil down to price.

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

If I had to wager I would bet that it's true because NVIDIA is who they are... control freaks. If they can find a way to screw the people that buy their products that is exactly what they will do. That's how they roll and who they are, and that is how they have been for a long time. Also one of the numerous reasons I dislike FE video cards.

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And, on a happier note, I ordered my second Lian Li O11D XL EVO to house the second AORUS Master. Also ordered a D5 distro block from Radikult Customs and about 12 feet of Alphacool EDPM tubing.

 

Now I hear rumors of a 9080 XT with 32GB of GDDR7. I am so glad I didn't blow $3000+ on a 5090 already. Now it is no longer even tempting. Not caring actually feels really good.

The source on that is very unreliable from what little I understand on the matter. Would be pretty cool if true, but AMD many times now already said they arent targeting high-end, more so marketshare which is the logical course of action given how little they have.

It better have 2 12VHPWR cables if it exists, 600w is not a lot of headroom for a card that operates @ 450w. I was pulling probably close to 775w-815w on my 7900 XTX. I need to get one of those Kill-a-Watt's to be more sure.

Looks like I won't be able to bench anything for almost a month, June 17th is the soonest they can send someone to even start looking at it :(

Suppose the best I can do is look at my other cards and see if there are any worthwhile mods I can perform to them. 

After taking #3 Steel Nomad was pretty motivated to start tuning for the next placement. 7900 XTX is a lot of fun to bench once temperature and power limits are removed. 

Before I killed my electricity (lol) I was actually considering getting a block and a mora 360. It would be comical at best next to my itx system but looks to be fairly necessary for pushing to #1. I always wanted a mo-ra but was always moving about so just wasn't in the cards. 

Also what thermal pads are you guys partial to? I'm still using cheap generic stuff from my crypto days but that was for maintenance not for performance. 

Welcome to the Forums! 

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

Wow. What happened? Melted insulation or overheated socket? Do you have aluminum wiring from before it got banned by most building codes?

 

I have never experienced that before, only tripped circuit breakers. I have replaced two circuit breakers that were tripped too many times and apparently weakened from lots of benching and pulling over 1000W from the wall.

Its been happening off and on irregularly over the past couple years in this rented house. Typically more in the Summer, the house has also been getting a bit malformed as the foundation adjusts to movement in the ground. 

This only happened maybe a few hours or so ago, havent personally done any diagnostic but heres my 10 second hot take.

Circuit hasnt tripped, resetting did nothing. When it would die out before it was come back on its own within 10-20 minutes and was sometimes repeatable. I expect there is likely a kink somewhere in the wiring, causing additional resistance which I bull rushed with likely 1000w+, likely pushed it over the edge. 

The plugs for the house are not confidence inspiring either, lot of them are sunken due to the house deforming over time.

Looks like benchmarking killed the electrical wiring in my room.

To be fair it wasnt that great to begin with but I guess 800w for the better part of the day pushed it over the edge.

27 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nice job!

Thanks, spent the better part of the day working with my 7900 XTX trying to figure out its behavior. 

Finally came to terms with despite using an A/C unit freezing in my own room, the stock fans on the Red Devil were not enough to cool 800w (surprised they took me this far to be honest). Replaced with 3x92mmx45mm fans powered externally. That allowed me to get this score, along with the application of PTM7950.

The hotspot temperature is really the only thing that I am taming on this card, GPU temp might hit 62c with the fans maxed.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/134254982

Got #3

Dont think I'll be able to get much higher for Steel Nomad but #3 is pretty good for air cooling

Hey Lemon welcome to the forums! 

What are some stores you have access to both locally and online for Poland? 

100 Points to close in on @Hiew's score of 7911.

Im probably only getting a taste of what @Mr. Fox might be feeling when it concerns this hobby of overclocking. It dawned on me that even with an AQUAS vBIOS which allows for 550w TDP I am still "tuning" for the highest clock for a given voltage. The lower the voltage the higher the score. 

This is with a fresh install of Windows 11 IOT, visual set to performance, monitors unplugged save for a 1080p144hz panel and waiting for it to settle at 22-23c before launching the benchmark.

Still 1000+ points between me and the top spot.

Getting closer...

@Aaron44126

Have you had any exposure to higher end docks? 

17 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Looking forward to your step-by-step photo or video tutorial and benchmark results.

I was actually thinking about that earlier today whilst at work, couldnt help but notice that people overall were looking for simple guides on how to do this at least for the vbios part. As for the EVC2SE once I have that sorted I can drum something up. From what I understand it shouldnt be too overly involved. 

Nothing like the E-Power or Zombie power mods of yore.

12 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

omg, i dont even know where to start with this, just so many things that went wrong here:

 

1) why even bother changing the Suprim? The design is simple, industrial, non-gamery looking.

2) how in heck did they make the jump from gold-plated to "Titanium" name rebranding? WTH, titanium is silver-ish looking,

3) this doesnt even look like regular gold plating. this has some kinda weird funky caleidoscope effect...

 

what did they DO?! 😄 

 

 

niiiiiice.... no worries, if anything blows up here we will aplaud your efforts, much respect! 🙂 

If anything blows I finally have a nice backup GPU, 3090Ti :)

I went ahead and bought an ElmorLabs EVC2SE module. I am sure I am a far and away from a competent soldering technician, however I am comfortable with the iron I have.

550w on chilled air is probably the max I would use for a daily vbios but now I want to see how far I can take card.  Still using cheap-o generic pads and the Kryonaught is on its dozenth or so re-application.

I can probably add a couple of 900w server PSU's just to split up the load but more importantly reduce the banshee shrieks those PSU's can produce.

No idea when the module will show up at this point but I'll keep you guys in the loop as I get more updates...

Buy with confidence everyone. 

The 3090Ti, 10850K, z490-h and 16GB 4400Mhz DDR4 RAM all purchased from @Mr. Fox all were in great condition and still working in tip-top form.

If I had even the slightest justification, I'd be PM'ing instead of posting lol

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

How are you cooling the card?

Stock heatsink, my room is small so if im running my equipment the window AC unit is running, especially with heat ramping up here in Texas. I tend to essentially disable all electronics while im working and keep things minimal until 8PM when electricity is "Free".  Then its more or less off to the races.

The Red Devil heatsink is definitely a chonky heatsink, but I dont know that it would cool 550w adequately.

15 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

No, that's not how it is.

 

Every card has different levels of coil whine and electronic noise. Some are loud and some are quiet bordering on non existent. Some are medium.

 

WoW / Fallout 76  / Timespy testing

 

I run my case completely open and as you know it sits up and right next to me about three feet away from my ear.

 

My Astral is quiet even when hitting 238fps cap (display cap is 240hz) in WoW, Fallout 76 at 175fps (engine cap) and TS testing.

Second Astral I tested and sent off to my bud had audible coil whine at 100fps and worse at 200fps

His 5090FE was very audible and loud at anything 100fps+. 200fps+ was a very audible. Not 3090 FE level but leaning more towards that than anything

Both of my Gigabyte 9070xt were  quiet which was an about face compared to 7900xtx.

My 4090 MSI Liquid X was very quiet under load sub 200fps. 200fps+ it would come to life.

My 5080FE was nearly dead silent and remains the quietest GPU I've tested at 200fps+

Every 7900xtx I tested besides the MSI was loud.

3070 Founders was very audible closer to the 3090 FE.

3070ti Master was quiet

3080 Strix was actually medium noise but acceptable.

My 3090 FE was the worst offender. It still gives me coil whine PTSD.

 

 

That is awesome! You managed to squeeze the Asrock Aqua 7900xtx vBIOS on your red devil? Nice.

 

What do you get on a normal TS run to compare to my card results database?

 

 

 

 

From Left to Right is probably this order.

General Tune > Specific Tune > Aquas Extreme Tune

6 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Awesome stuff bro.

I'll do some more testing tomorrow to see where my memory tops off

Took some doing to get the vBIOS to cooperate with the 7900 XTX. 

Flashed via CH341A programmer with NeoProgrammer software. Originally tried the Nitro+ vBIOS, while it worked immediately it only lifted the TDP to 460w versus the 430w I was already working with.

Then on to the AQUAS vbios which was said to have a 550w TDP limit. flashed it, but lost video on all DP/HDMI ports. Switched to the backup bios, rebooted and installed some remoting tools as my keyboard was behaving as if its in OS. 

Confirmed my suspicion but resolution was 640x480 at best. Reinstalled drivers but didnt seem to change the video out problem. Went for the AQUAS vBIOS from Asrock (extreme version) which did detect "Correctly" that I had the right "card" however, refused to install while an AMD driver was installed. Once I resolved that stipulation, Windows flashed the extreme vbios and my DP/HDMI ports came back to life.

Red Devil scores on chilled air cooling. 

To get higher I would definitely need the EVC2SE module, water cooling and chilled water. Was not able to beat @Hiew's 9070XT score of 7911 yet, maybe a fresh install of Windows, this instance has been in service for a year or so now.

I also replaced the screws on the retention bracket, and the other GPU screws as well as the previous owner was quite rough with this card before I got it. I still have yet to apply PTM7950, now that I have more or less unlocked what I can do on air its time to get that applied.

I mostly wanted to also maintain above 3Ghz, for no other reason than 3Ghz is better than 2.8Ghz :)

Just posting in case anyone else on the net needs to know.

PowerColor Red Devil 7900 XTX GPU retention bracket uses M2x6 screws 

Hopefully tomorrow i'll get the vbios flashed, been trying to do a little reading on ch341a. 

So @Hiew got his hands on a 9070 XT close to MSRP a little while back. Finally got around to tuning it and sends me this. 



Also pulled 7985 a bit later. 

On 5/6/2025 at 7:47 AM, Mr. Fox said:

The allure of new PC component toys lives on and will likely never die, but the absurdly high non-scalper retail price I paid for the 4090 Suprim was already on the ragged edge of sanity. AI. Even the 4090 Gaming OC was a poor value at $500+ less. AI. So high, in fact, AI, that the pride and pleasure of ownership was greatly diminished by their ludicrous price tags. AI. The notion of spending an extra $1,000 or more for a 5090 makes me both sad and angry. AI. This is unrelated to any tariffs and absent any effect they may or may not be having; just (AI) a poor value overall and just not worth it. AI. The 50-series engineering flaws, scandalous performance limiting tactics, driver and functionality glitches we have witnessed would have pushed me over the edge. AI. I feel like I need to excuse myself from the table at this point. 

 

Sorry for the mindless use of "AI" but I guess that's how things are done now. AI. Mindlessness is the cornerstone of artificial intelligence.

I was confused at the first mention of it, befuddled at the second, and doing a second take at the third.

I'd like a refund now, thanks lol