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Hello, all. I have a question about Windows 11: it recently started pushing for me to install version 24H2, but I've read that it may still have some issues. Has anyone tried it on X170KM-G? As some may recall, I have the EON17-X (2021) version of the system, which came with Windows 11 Pro pre-installed. The computer's been running fine, and the update does not seem to be mandatory yet, but it has been appearing constantly over the last couple of days as a "reminder". I've dismissed it, but Microsoft will eventually make it a requirement, I suspect, so if anyone has installed it, some information would be appreciated. Thanks in advance for any pointers. EDIT on December 12, 2024: I wanted to know if there was anything specific about the 24H2 update to Windows 11 for this particular computer, thinking there were minor issues with this version of Win11, but I've now read what has been posted elsewhere, and in other subforums here on Notebooktalk, and boy is this update a freak show... so I'm avoiding it like the plague, at least for now.
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Though I have fiddled with the BIOSes of other machines (I have yet to flash a new one on my X170KM-G, I've only unlocked what it has), I think you will have to be more specific about exactly which BIOS you are talking about --- I suggest you include the link to the exact post by Sergey Muratov from which you got the BIOS --- I don't recall exactly, but he may have posted more than one download file, but still, even if it's only one BIOS he posted, you need to provide more info so others have a better understanding of what's going on. You have to be VERY CAREFUL when changing BIOS settings. As I've said, I've done things with the BIOS on OTHER computers (not the X170KM), and even then I was never so adventurous as to change many things before completely understanding what I was doing. It is important to document yourself about anything you want to change, the more the better, and not change anything even when believe you've understood something, not until you are absolutely sure you know what you are doing. It's TOO EASY to mess things up. Your description of what your friend did lacks any detail, so I would suspect something was changed before fully knowing what your friend was doing. Again, if you want help, you will have to provide more details about what was done, I suspect. It sounds to me like you have bricked your computer. Chances are you will have to reflash a good BIOS with a EEPROM programmer --- which means doing it with hardware, as you are no longer able to access the computer's systems. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be curt, but I'm afraid I can't sugar coat what seems to me to be bad news. I believe you may recover your notebook, but it will likely not be easy. I think it's doable, but it will probably be a bit of a headache. Who knows, maybe someone else here may have better news and better advice. Good luck.
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Thanks! This should come in handy. But will this work with any of the several OEM motherboards? Somewhere in the thread somebody posted that Origin PC's motherboards (for the EON17-X which is their version of the X170KM-G, and it's the one I have) may be slightly modified by them. (It was just one sentence in a paragraph in a post but I don't remember who wrote it.) I believe @kela-slk also has one of these Origin notebooks, and I think a couple of more people have also said they have one. I will give the write-up a good read in any case. I want to flash a different BIOS to be able to use 128GB of ram, but besides not having time to do recently as I've been using the computer, I am a tad reluctant to try it because if a new BIOS doesn't work, I may need to use an eeprom programmer to reflash the same BIOS I have now.
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I recommend you either search the thread for answers, or read through it --- I asked some questions before, only to later realize some of them had been answered in previous replies. I know it's a long read, and it took me two, or three, or maybe even four days to go through it, but I think you will find it worthwhile. Your questions about monitors are addressed in several places. As for backing up the OEM BIOS, I have not seen anyone give a software version of doing so in this whole thread. You will likely need an eeprom reader and do it that way. Otherwise, the link with the Clevo BIOS I provided to you has the closest to the latest OEM BIOS --- but I don't know whether it will have options (like logos, or other artwork, for example) for every different manufacturer's X170KM-G motherboard, but it's essentially the same for all of them. So other than using an eeprom reader to read the BIOS chips directly, I don't think you have an option to backup your particular machine's. You DON'T need to remove the chips, you just need some clips for the particular chips the motherboard has --- I haven't checked, but they're usually SOIC8 or SOP8, and the clips clamp on the terminals of the chips, though that may require a few tries.
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May I now ask you a favor? If you flash the Sager bios, would you tell me how it goes? I haven't had a chance to do so myself, being busy with other stuff, and I don't want to rush it and make a mistake because of it. (Among other things, I have a lot of stuff that I've had to migrate to the EON17-X from my old GT72, and I've been copying things from the SSDs directly, since my GT72 is on the fritz for now, so I can't use my home network to transfer them, so this has taken a lot of my time, among other things.)
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Look, you seem to be complaining, that's why @1610ftw mentioned something about your tone --- in a lighthearted fashion, I think. Relax. Also, I did mention I could share what I was given; you could have messaged me, as I am a tad busy and just kept on forgetting --- I wasn't ignoring you, just that there are other preoccupations on my mind. Here you have the link for the Sager BIOS that @crz shared with me. And here is the link for the Clevo BIOS (and a bunch of other stuff) that also @crz shared. Tell me if they work, just in case the permissions weren't set properly for the links.
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I have that same PC, but I don't have the OEM bios. @crz put a link to the Clevo 1.07.08 file above, which should work fine, but I don't know if the link is still working. I have the file, but I would need to upload it somewhere to provide a link, so I would need to check how to share something on Google Drive. But I don't think this is quite the OEM bios. But on that related note: sometime in the next few days, I will probably try to flash the Sager X170KM-G08 bios he (@crz) also provided, but I have a question: I want to keep the original start up logo that comes with the OEM bios. Is there a way to do so? I like the Origin PC logo, and if it's possible to keep it, that would be great. It's not a deal breaker if I can't, but it would be very nice, I think it's rather snazzy.
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Oh, my bad, I got confused a bit there. It's the Clevo firmware in the link you posted above, right? My mind has been wandering all over the place, since I've been a little busy, but next week things should calm down, when the semester is finally over (I work at a university, and things are winding down for the summer), so at least that will be one less thing to worry about. Thank you very much for your help, and I will keep you all posted 🙂
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Thank you so much. I was looking for info in the winraid.level1techs.com forums, but I found very little, except a mention of the Insyde Win Flash tool, but no link to it, and the Insyde webpage is pretty much advertisements of their products, and no download links that I could find. I was checking those out mostly because I wanted to dump the BIOS to have a backup. (I mentioned earlier that I have a USB EEPROM reader/writer that I can use with some clips to read/write onto the BIOS chips without the need to desolder them, but for that I need another computer and my GT72 is still on the fritz [I'm waiting for a replacement motherboard, and since it's from China it's taking it's sweet time to get here].) The Clevo UEFI will be a good backup at the very least, but the flashing utilities and the instructions are a necessity in any case.
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Hello, once again. I downloaded the file, but I have to ask, even if I sound like a complete noob, how do I go about flashing the Sager X170KM-G08 bios from the file? That is, if I decide to go for it, of course. Is it flashable from within the Insyde bios, or do I need a Windows or Linux utility? I have, or can make a live USB stick if the latter is the case, no problem there, but I'm a little confused by the contents of the downloaded ZIP file.
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Thank you very much. This time I was still around as you posted this, so I grabbed the file as fast as I could 😁
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Sorry, I got busy with other stuff, and did not see your further reply. Unfortunately the link is no longer available, as you can see in the picture below, but thank you. I will still read the article once I have a chance --- other stuff has come up, and I need to take care of that first. Thank you for the suggestion, but unfortunately I'm tapped out for the time being. I will certainly consider it very seriously once I have money again. Actually I was considering precisely getting a chip with 10 cores sometime later on, so your post is kind of serendipitous 🙂
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OK, thanks for the info, and for the link. I'll consider your suggestion --- and the warning. I can do a BIOS backup, and though I do have a USB EEPROM programmer if push comes to shove, at this moment I'll have to check and see if the BIOS chips the computer has are supported, just in case a need to physically reflash the BIOS becomes necessary. In any case, I will do a lot of reading before I try anything potentially dangerous --- and by "dangerous" I mean doing something I don't understand well enough.
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I've decided to make another post instead of amending the previous one. I put the two extra RAM sticks that I received yesterday on the two remaining slots to have 128GB total. But I don't know what the system is doing: it'll turn on, but it'll just light-up the keyboard, but nothing will show up on the screen. It stayed like that for a minute or so, and then it would shut down. I later then decided to unlock the BIOS (as described in the corresponding post by ViktorV) --- of course, I had to remove the extra RAM to be able to have access to the notebook. It all went down fine. But after tinkering with some memory settings in it (and not really knowing what I was doing), and then reinserting the extra two SODIMMs under the keyboard, the system would turn on the same way as before, but it just stayed there for many minutes with the screen all black, and doing nothing more --- but it didn't automatically turn off after a while, I had to push the power switch after waiting for quite a while. I've removed the extra RAM sticks, which are working fine by themselves in the slots underneath the notebook (the other set of two I originally bought which were there are safely stored for now), so I know the two sets of pairs work fine by themselves --- I am typing this post on the X170KM-G right now. This is what CPU-z reports about the memory (slot #3 is identical to slot #1), so if I understood correctly, it should be capable of running at 2933 MTs, and in the store page it is implied that it should automatically run at 2666, 2933, or 3200 depending on the system, and I assumed the system would try to run the memory at one of those speeds, so I am bit confused --- I admit I only have superficial knowledge about how RAM interacts with the system, so I don't know if I'm supposed to actually do something, or even if I'm able to do so. Any help would be much appreciated. I mean, it's not a deal breaker if I'm "stuck" with 64GB of RAM, but it's kind of a shame to have the other two sticks just stored away, and if there is a way to have the 128GB up and running at 2933 MTs it would be rather nice.
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A couple of days ago I ordered another two sticks of the same memory as in this link that I posted previously. They should arrive today. I will report how the notebook behaves after I add them a little later today --- I'm hoping there's no delay in the delivery. I'm really curious to see how the computer handles 128GB of RAM. EDIT: As I finished typing this, the memory sticks arrived. I will put them in the system a bit later today for sure.
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Yes, that is the BIOS that the system has, but when I first turned it on, there were a lot of updates the system wanted to apply, which I noticed it included the BIOS/Firmware, so System Update took care of that. I didn't check what the BIOS version was just as I launched the OS for the first time --- I honestly forgot to do so, because I wanted to know, but I was busy with several things at the same time, not just the computer. But in any case, 1.07.08 is what the system has now. As to shutdowns, some user(s) seem to not have problems, or so I thought I read in the thread. It may be the particular configuration, BIOS, and software environment that one has that can lead to the system shutting down or not. As of now, I have installed only a few apps: MS Office software I need for work (for which I'm using an institutional license), Adobe Acrobat, Steam, GOG Galaxy 2.0, and two games (Elden Ring, and Dark Souls Remastered), and 3D Mark, plus a few other smaller things. I have a ton of other stuff to install, but that will be in the next few weeks. Oh, and I am NOT overclocking anything at the moment.
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As of now, the computer has been very stable. I haven't experienced shutdowns, but I haven't done any heavy benchmarks nor really put the computer to task. For information, the BIOS version is 1.07.08, in case it's pertinent to know. I did try a couple 3D Mark tests (Time Spy and and Fire Strike) just for kicks, and I got average scores. Good, but average, and certainly much higher than what my old MSI GT72 got --- I don't recall if 3D Mark compares the scores with other PCs with similar hardware, but I am assuming it does. I haven't done any Cinebench, nor tested the memory. But I'll say a little bit more below. For an idea as to how it has been behaving, I have played a bit of Elden Ring over the last few days, and so far I'm impressed with how it maintains a rock-steady 60 fps (the game is capped, so it won't run at a higher rate than that), but all the settings are on high, and the game has experienced zero hiccups. Now, the weather here has been brutal (we reached about 42ºC. or about 108ºF today), and I don't have any good air conditioning at home, and I haven't tested the computer at work (where the air conditioning is good), so I haven't really tried to push the machine too much, but even in the rather hot ambient temperature these past few days, the PC is not running too hot. I did adjust the fan curves a little bit so the fans start to ramp up at a slightly lower temperature than the default, though. As to the memory, again, I tested playing Elden Ring with the 16GB of 2666MTs RAM that the notebook came with, and everything was as I described, but I ordered two sticks of 32GB of 3200MTs RAM (for a total of 64GB), and it's still nice, even with the much hotter weather this week, and the notebook hasn't throttled, not that I have noticed. I had no problem with the PC adjusting the speed of the RAM automatically. For reference, this is the memory I ordered, and you can see it states that it can also run at 2666MTs, or 2933MTs: https://www.amazon.com/-/en/Timetec-Pinnacle-PC4-25600-portátil-actualización/dp/B0CNL3CPRK?th=1 I'm so happy with it, that I ordered another set to populate the other two SODIMM slots. I know it's overkill for gaming, but I thought "might as well go for it", and be ready for when I start to do some memory intensive number crunching, which I plan on doing in the near future. I also ordered a 4TB NVME drive, an Acer Predator GM7000 Gen 4x4 SSD. There are many games and other aplications and files I have on my GT72 (which coincidentally started having some problems these last few days; I plan on fixing it, but it would be convenient to transfer many of what I have in it to the EON17-X/X170GM-G). I can't simply use some of the SSDs from the GT72 on the newer machine, since they are all SATA, and I would rather have newer NVME drives. So far, the drive is also working fine, but I've only started putting things in it. I will order another 4TB drive, likely another GM7000 since I liked the specs it has, and it's not expensive. Well, I'll keep everyone apprised as to what happens. But so far, I am really liking the X170GM-G, though I am still adjusting things to my liking. I fully recommend this machine.
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D'oh! Thank you very much 🙂 EDIT: As I expected, they had the other SODIMM under the keyboard. Removed it and put underneath to pair it with the other one, and RAM is now running in dual channel mode. I guess some poor schmo thought while assembling the parts "First stick goes in slot 1, second stick in slot 2... oh, no, it says it's slot 3, so it must go on the other side", or something to that effect. But it's now corrected, and to top it off I have verification that the slots under the keyboard work, which is a bit of a silver lining 😉
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That's a relief to know: the GT72 required that I remove the motherboard to get to the other side. And at this moment I don't have the screws on the bottom cover -- much easiear to do maintenance that way: it's firmly in place without the screws. And yes, I've made the most of it. The original motherboard had some problems: it appears that some chips (but not the CPU) had heat damage, so I replaced the motherboard. I've extracted every bit of performance I could from it, but it hasn't always been easy. I'll be careful with X170's cover. Right now I'm letting the battery charge, and later I'm doing some Windows update, and then I'll open the laptop. Two SODIMMs in single channel is not acceptable. UPDATE: I removed the bottom cover, and sure enough only one SODIMM slot is populated. The other 8GB of the RAM it has are under the keyboard side. Go figure what the guys that assembled the model were thinking. But I don't know where the screws to remove the keyboard are located...
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There's a funny thing... I am updating and starting to configure things to my liking on the EON17-X, and as I ran CPU-z, it said the memory it came with, 16 GB (2x8GB), is running in single channel, using slots 1 and 2 --- it should be 1 and 3 for dual channel... maybe these guys installed one RAM stick on either side of the motherboard? I would assume that the slots on one side would correspond each to one separate channel, as it is with my GT72, the easily accessible slots are channels 1 and 3, and the more difficult ones on the other side of the motherboard are 2 and 4. And by the way, I have 5 SSDs on my old MSI (one of them is a 2.5 inch sata drive, the others are M2). The optical drive caddy can be changed to another sata drive, but I wanted a Blu Ray player instead of the original DVD it came with, so that's why I only have 5 drives, heh-heh 😁
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@1610ftw well, the computer by itself, without the power bricks, weighs a lot more than my old MSI GT72, which I know for a fact weighs about 3.8kg. I was expecting them to be about equal in that aspect, but the EON17-X I got (the model from 2021, in case someone in the future references this thread) feels a substantial amount heavier than the GT72. It definitely feels it's more than 4.5 kilos; the laptop feels dense, lots of mass in a low volume. As for the CPU, it came with the i9-11900K, so I'm "stuck" with Rocket Lake for now --- I'm not really complaining, I'm more or less fine if I can get "only" 64 GB on two slots, but if I decide to use the four slots for 128 GB, I'm satisfied with them running at 2933 MHz. Other than gaming, for what I intend to use it (some number crunching with parallelized code using several cores), the difference between 2933 and 3200 MHz should not be that much (at least not with the specific codes I intend to run). Like you, stability is more important than overclocking: I need to trust the numerical results I get, and I need to make sure the code runs to completion and not have the system flake out midway through a calculation. I am curious, however, since I am seeing 64 GB (2x32) of Kingston Fury 3200 MHz RAM on Amazon, to know if that memory may work with the notebook, even if it downclocks to 2933 MHz. Of course, some Comet Lakes with 10 cores sound appealing, but if I'm not mistaken I cannot use the four M.2 slots with Comet Lake, and I do need a lot of storage: I have a LOT of games and other software. Granted, I don't play all the games I have, but I just don't want to be installing and uninstalling them if I feel I want to play a specific one I've backed up and erased, and I do have other stuff, which does take a bit of space. Well, who am I kidding? Most of my storage is games. The thing is that I have about 6 TB of drive space in my GT72, and I'm using a large portion of that, so I want something of the same size plus the operating system on my new notebook, so I am pretty certain I want to use the four SSD slots. Thank you very much for your reply, and the useful info you've shared. I do appreciate it.
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Well, my sister delivered the EON17-X --- she brought it with her when she came in for some family celebration which I couldn't attend, so she didn't give it to me directly, rather gave it to our mother, who later brought it to me, that's why I'm posting rather late. I still haven't turned it on, I've just checked the exterior of the machine, and the accessories. I will get back to describe how it goes after I fire it up a bit later today. But one thing is important to note: this thing DOES NOT WEIGH 8.38 pounds. I have an old GT72, that one weighs 8.49 pounds, and it is MUCH LIGHTER. I think the specs they report are wrong: the computer feels more like 8.38 kilos. It's very heavy. Also, each of the two power bricks also feels like more than a kilo -- closer to two kilograms each, really. Other than that, it looks absolutely beautiful. My back's going to hurt to carry this in my backpack, but I am loving the thing, and as I said, I haven't even seen it working. I think I will have to buy a carrying case with wheels if I want to use it both at home and at work, which is fine by me.
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Thank you for your reply! I take it that the manual for the X170KM-G should be a useful guide for the EON17-X from 2021? As you can see, I haven't received the computer and I'm already thinking of upgrading the RAM, but it really has to do with using as many cores for numerical calculations, and since what I do requires a decent amount of RAM for every core used, a large amount of memory is really a necessity --- 16 GB is probably enough for most games I have, so that's not really a problem, but I don't think having more RAM will hurt either. I did read in the thread that there may be a problem when using 3200 MHz memory on all four slots, but that really shouldn't be a problem, as 2933 MHz is plenty fast. We'll see how it goes. EDIT: Well, I found the Sager NP9672M manual, but it is of rather limited use. Helpful, yes, but I think the thread here has a lot more information than the manual.
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I had not seen your post, until now that I am going through this thread. And funny enough, I just bought one of those the day before yesterday, and I am currently waiting for it to arrive --- well, it'll arrive at my sister's home in El Paso, TX, as I live just across the border into Mexico, in Juarez, Chihuahua (and by the way, yes, it's the name of a dog breed, but for some reason it's also the name of the Mexican state where the city is located --- I have no idea why the name is the same, as they're supposed to come from two completely different Native languages). The sellers of the computer don't deliver into Mexico, and also the import duties are sky high. We'll figure out how my sister is going to bring it over to me sometime later, and yes I am admitting to trying to evade the large import tax, but we'll see how that goes -- the medium sized sales tax in Texas was unavoidable, though. As a side note, I have a MSI GT72 from 2015, which has thoroughly gone through major "surgery" to keep it going, even to the point of "lobotomizing" it with a substitute motherboard when the original one started having issues, and an aftermarket GPU upgrade to a GTX 1070, and though it still holds it own, it will not support transitioning to Windows 11 (of which I am NOT a fan, but I need it to be able to keep gaming without issues). I'm also using it to do some condensed matter physics simulations, but a beefier computer I can carry to and from work would be aces. I will later turn the GT72 into a Linux machine, as I am certain I can still extract a few more years of use from it. I will then let everyone know how it goes with the new machine. By the way, does anyone know if the Origin EON17-X from 2021 (the model in the listing) has the two SODIMM slots below the keyboard disabled or removed? If it can support the four RAM slots that would be the icing on the cake, as I will likely need a decent amount of memory for the number crunching I need to do for my physics research (I'm a prof at a university here in Juarez).
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Oops. I hadn't been here in a few weeks... Cool that you got your computer working. I ended up undervolting the CPU, and that has kept the computer cooler -- the GPU doesn't seem to get that warm, so for now, I'm fine as is. The i7-4980hq CPU is better than I expected and it has been stable with the undervolt, so I am still happy. I am, however, dreading the end of life support for Windows 10. I know there are workarounds for installing Windows 11, but I'm hating the OS. And since in any case, the workarounds will still require a completely fresh install, I may just opt for a Linux distro, and game using Proton. For most of my work, Linux is actually better, with the exception of having to use Microsoft Office for many of the required paperwork I have to constantly submit, and Libre Office, or Open Office may not be sufficiently compatible. But we'll see, There's still a couple of years before the end of support for Win10.