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50C in CB23? Edit: Nm, it's the 7800X3D, 8 cores, so plausible. BTW AIDA read throughput looks a bit low for 6000. What gives? AFAIR my slow 5600@5200 modules push more (in AIDA, about 65GBps in other benchmarks), despite higher latency. Is that an AMD+AIDA thing?

Hang in there friends, some good news for us consumers, finally. Don't pay any scalpers off! TSMC Expects Q2 Sales Drop as Clients Struggle to Clear Inventory

Nice catch. Would just open a bug report.

Elon went on Fox News where he told Tucker Carlson how Twitter was overstaffed, so he fired 80%. They had a good laugh about it. Meanwhile, a positive development for a change: Elon threatened to sue M$ for "illegal use" of Twitter data for AI training purposes: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/elon-musk-says-he-ll-sue-microsoft-for-training-illegally-using-twitter-data-in-row-over-ads/ar-AA1a4Gwn

Should be enough in theory, 6.0 is more for Raptor Lake. Sounds like something is not working right though.

Oh yeah, with the first, better, pad, the temps kept improving for the first two days or so.

Over time weeks to months. First warnings signs are deteriorating temps. Absolutely resist the temptation to tighten the contact frame to improve temps (thinking that maybe the IHS is misaligned).

Bent CPU and failed IHS solder, then bent pins ultimately. Well you are replacing a factory-calibrated ILM, with a mechanism where you no longer have that calibrated pressure applied on the IHS. Uneven pressure can cause the pins to bend, and potentially the solder to weaken.

And once again, what time frame? Have a link? Sachs who? Crooked Goldman? Could Google results be biased BTW? Anyway, +18% unemployment would be tantamount to economic cataclysm, made worse by the fact that initially a lot of the jobs lost will be high paying (huge ripple effect on the local economy). There is no comparable situation in the past, all the estimates are biased best case scenarios. Unemployment doesn't tell you how poor/wealthy the employed are, and there will be huge downward change there as well, pretty much across the board. It must be easy to think "oh, I'm a tradesman etc so I don't care", that's just a lack of fundamental economic awareness. Economy is interconnected. Once you start losing clients and getting undercut by all the new tradesmen entering the field out of neceessity you will care, and at that point it will be too late. Unlike the Great Depression, the changes will be permanent and getting ever worse. Probably the most interesting, the least weak so to speak, bit of the whole Musk-Carlson interview: Selling himself as a "speciest", while still watering things down there quite a bit, for example "AI cannot be distributed/will be in the data cetnre" - at the moment it is, but sure it can and likely will be distributed in the future, also steering well clear of the topic of economic consequences. Focusing on the Twitter-related aspects, and not at all mentioning his own humanoid robot and the AI efforts at Tesla... Carlson very happy to be just a chummy cheerleader a opposed to being a proper critically-thinking journalist. Elsewhere in the interview Musk basically admitted he is a "specieist", therefore planning to create AI slaves... What could go wrong...

Sorry, what time frame? This year only? Agreed, 2%. That's basically unemployment in the US going up by 50% from where it is today, in some of the highest paying jobs so there will be a snowball effect soon after. Even if those people start flipping burgers for a minimum wage, that's effectively unemployment. Farming is one of the most heavily targetted industries, in 5 years time you are in for a surprise there. Construction? Hold on to your toolbox buddy...

Start weeping for programmers who are next in line. Here too the models have been trained on their own work. Then lawyers. Sure, nobody really likes them, but there are undoubtedly some good jobs in the legal profession that will be gone. Yes, you will still need one to take things to courts, but dealing with a lot of smaller issues and advice will be automated. Then folks like accountants, analysts and scientists. Basically any job which is not significantly physical (those will be a bit safer for a while at least, with the exception of farming and driving). Let's not forget about actors, and film industry professionals, if AI gets to a point where it can generate movies, which are just a collection of individual frames AI can generate extremely well. There is a deeply biased report by OpenAI where they claim "only" about 50% of the jobs will be affected, sad lol. The kind of jobs I can see being unaffected for now are personal services, such as hairdressing etc. The US university system will no doubt collapse. A year at Cornell already costs $90,000... There won't be enough jobs for people to be able to justify spending the time, and paying the exorbitant fees. Capitalism will follow shortly, OpenAI say as much themselves. We can't all be hairdressers, the oldest profession in the world will be overcrowded as well and dime a dozen (being a connaiseur billionaire like the former President will get even better). We can't all be builders, and anyway construction tends to die first during economic downturns. Wages in the "safe" low-skill professions will contract further (already an automation-related trend), due to the pressure from all the newly unemployed trying to make a living. Joy to the world!

On the Intel side the contact frame gimmick helped ruin my mobo, and probably the CPU (delidding repaired it, fortunately). I would have recommended testing with the ILM first.

I imagine part of this must be the fact that it's 790 and 2023, rather that Asus Apex specifically. Lightly regretting not taking a risk with 790 as well lol

What kernel version suffers from those scheduling issues for you?

The problem is that it can be perceived as art, it's basically indistinguishable from it. If this guy didn't say anything, he would have just won the award. Luckily, he was human enough to take a stand. If someone needs a bunch of graphics for their website, they will just use midjourney, dall-e etc and be done with it in a matter of minutes. This will kill most artists, graphics designers etc off. Edit: There is an Elon interview with Tucker Carlson. Generally a harsh critique of Google trying to build a super-AI. Then kind of struggles to justify the creation of his own AI company. Also pretty poor responses regarding the risks of AI (although definitely deserves credit for pointing some out). Talks about the need for regulation, but then his idea of regulation is weak sauce. Tucker Carlson downlplaying the economic risks of AI big time "This thing is cool, can write college papers haha". Idiot. Not worth linking to overall.

Indeed, looks like there is a shortage of 13900KS and even 13900K prices jumped up lol.

Didn't you order an embargo unit (presumably an unverifiable property of the CPU)? How are they going to get more in stock? I don't think Intel is going to re-embargo the CPUs for Provantage to be able to fulfill their orders?

Kernel activity, module or not, shows up as "system" cpu utilisation (e.g. red bar in htop).

Single use, it's like pre-dried paste sandwiched between two layers of foil.

Exactly, benching is one thing, but if 35-36K at 90C in CB23 is achievable, that would be very good for every day, where you do tend to prefer nicely controlled temps just for comfort and noise's sake. As for my 40K @ 258W, just slightly apples to oranges comparison since my result is a super-stable setup, I could lower the voltage quite a bit for CB23 so that 40K gets hit at a lower power (maybe 10-20W less if I were to guess), or would push 41K in CB23 at that voltage. Also, a desktop bencher would do strictly better here with the same CPU settings but 7000-8000 RAM whereas I'm stuck with 5200. Yeah, really curious about PTM7950 vs LM performance, but couldn't find any concrete reviews apart from that Linus video.

Great to see you're getting on. I don't know how you are feeling about it, but to me the existence of an open system like Linux in today's world is a borderline miracle to be cherished.

Not an existential threat to the whole of humanity, but possibly to artists: Sony World Photography Award 2023: Winner refuses award after revealing AI creation Death by a thousand cuts.

Notebookcheck puts 13980HX at 31K median and 33K max in CB23 Multi https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i9-13980HX-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.675757.0.html so your exploits are very impressive, but I imagine as achievable for the average user as 45K on the 13900K lol, such as some results posted by our own @Papusan Myself, I'm in the humble 40200@<90C club :) Requires about 258W, but this is ultra-stable. I could go quite a bit higher with just "CB23-stable" (which is not very stable at all) settings. Right, that's probably fairly close the max, unless you start artificially chilling the laptop, but then again you aren't even using a cooler which is impressive. Totally depends on the loads, I wouldn't want to run my CB23-grade workloads at 100C all the time (confirmed not to be a great idea on the desktop side, a laptop would melt after a while), so it would be interesting to see how much of a hit there is from capping temps at 90C. Might not be that big of a hit actually, but then again, the CPU is already very efficient at 175W. One thing that would be interesting to know is if any further improvement is achievable with LM. Obviously, the cooler would definitely help as well.

Yeah, the pad is fiddly to apply. Sticking it in the freezer didn't really help, that's why I bought the paste for future applications. The last question in my mind is whether Conductonaut would be able to significantly improve on this.

Not sure whar "the truest sense" means. The surface of the pin doesn't wear out, but either the pin can structurally weaken or the mechanism involved in moving the pins within the socket could experience a problem. Both cases would result in a "bent pin", which nobody really bent specifically. LGA1700 is a different beast too in terms of pin density. As mentioned before, my new mobo variant came with a visually different socket, so it's possible there was a teething issue with this.