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PTM7950, i.e. the "Honeywell" industrial-grade phase-change TIM. It's been incredible for me so far (almost 2 weeks, which is a period during which most other top pastes significantly degraded or failed on my system).

LOL, what a mess.. Psst... P...T...M...7....

BF4 on a console with a controller. Really hard to spend more than 30 min on that lol

Haha, if I was building a fun gaming system (or if if it was cooled using a custom loop with a chiller or a gigantic external radiator so fan performance doesn't matter), I would probably do the same thing. I initially enjoyed a bit of RGB bling, but then it kind of got boring. I'm now partial to the subdued starry night system look. This is part of the appeal of owning a desktop - you can mix things up and "redecorate", without dropping another $$$ on a whole system. If starry night gets old, there are always ARGB LED strips lol

I wasn't questioning your rationale, laptops have their uses. I was just curious how MSI GT77's ("their 4090") is different. I thought you meant it has some unique features setting it apart from other 4090 laptops. That said, if people spend money on these mobile GPUs, they are voting with their wallets for more marketing shenanigans and castration, but if you need one then what can you do. My guess is NVidia will at some point release less castrated versions of those Ada mobile GPUs as "Ti". They won't be as fast the desktop counterparts of course, but they could conceivably bump the power limits and VRAM bandwidth to where they should have been from the start.

Actually, who knows if that extra power would help, given the severe memory bandwidth limitation. I mean it's a 50% cut vs 3090Ti, so even a bit more vs 4090 desktop. Electronics Mag 17 scored 21.5K in "beast mode"...

Thanks, Prema BIOS seems to add CPU/memory tuning, which makes sense. 21.5k in TS graphics in "Beast mode"... Even if you could increase the GPU power, the slow VRAM would probably bottleneck it anyway. I mean, it's a > 50% cut in bandwidth vs the desktop part. At least the laptop is priced OK, well built, comes with proper BIOS and is configurable. If I was forced to update my laptop now, this would be on my shortlist if available here.

Nice review, thanks for taking the time. 4090 performance along the expectations I guess. Any thermal throttling the WC option might help with, or is it unnecessary?

Does the Prema BIOS allow the laptop to push beyond the 175W GPU power limit?

How is their 4090 different? The issue is the power limit. Maybe that's faster than stock 3090s but not your OCed and chilled one.

Not sure. People have scored 25k with a 3090 alone. The OC doesn't look too extreme, and - if the description is factual - no chilled WC or LN2 was used. Anyway, this is mostly relevant for gamers. The 3090 Ti beats the 4090 mobile soundly on specs, and actually in many games and gaming benchmarks at 4K. https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-4090-Laptop-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.675091.0.html There is no comparison between the two devices really, apart from energy efficiency: 8GB more VRAM, +50% memory bandwidth, some 20% more theoretical FP performance. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4090-mobile.c3949 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3090-ti.c3829 Nvidia should have allowed at least 20% more power for high-end 4090 laptops.

Thanks, sounds like a great idea, I wish I came up with that. The pad itself was generic and came with no instructions at all. Still going strong after some 10 days, in fact seems like it's holding up really well.

If you are going to put on a water block anyway, then there is no reason to pay for oversized heatsinks, right? I guess BIOS would be another factor, but is there any advantage in using cards from manufacturers other than EVGA (of course now defunct in the video card department)? Will be interesting how this exotic Galax stuff plays out for bro @Papusan. Edit: Missed bro @Mr. Fox's post where he pointed out some AIB cards have better VRMs, which may or may not matter given Ada's energy efficiency. I have to say I am very impressed with the FE so far. This thing is built like a rock. Mounted horizontally, there is virtually no sag, as opposed to a much lighter MSI card I can compare with (the 3090Ti is a little slimmer than the 4090 though - 2.7 slot roughly). Performance has been above baseline too, I hope Micron have treated their Nvidia overlords to good memory chips. Up to +1250 is fairly stable, which would translate to 23GHz, although being generally distrustful of Micron I run it at 22.5GHz. Temps on air inside a somewhat crowded case are around 60C at 200W with fans on auto (~30%, inaudible). On a minor note, I got rid of all the "bling bling" at the time I installed industrial fans throughout, and now the only sources of light inside the case are the white mobo LCD and the subtle white GEFORCE logo, which gives the otherwise all black system a nice mysterious starry night look though the side panel mesh :)

BTW the top TS Graphics score for the 3090 Ti on 3DMark is ...

That's OK sir, good guys don't always win. (I kind of hate this saying, although it is occasionally funny :)

Nice and pretty good price.

Pretty insane. What VRAM did EVGA put in there BTW?

Recently watched Fauda (CSGO fans would def enjoy) and Peaky Blinders (period/crime/British politics).

367W, that's interesting. Less power than the power produced by the GPU alone. Then again, my thermodynamics is a bit rusty lol Awesome setup. Do you have a way to loop a radiator in via a valve or something, or do you just run the chiller all the time?

Feels like this calls for a neologism of a synonymous nature... to elon someone/something (up) Examples: Oh man, we are really eloned now! The company was eloned up beyond repair during the takeover.

Get out lol What's the wattage of your chiller? 2kW or something? What's the coolant temp?

Off the top of my head: gpu 1100 thank you post card for Jensen, draw something nice 5 cpu 700 Arctic LFII AIO 100 Mobo 250 psu 200 ram 200 case 100 monitor 200 (ok, had to check the 1440p thing: https://www.newegg.com/p/15Z-0038-000T1?Description=1440p monitor&cm_re=1440p_monitor-_-15Z-0038-000T1-_-Product ) keyboard and mouse 100 SSD 100 $3055. Sure some compromises would have to be made, but the system would be faster than the $2800 laptop, in addition to being cooler, more robust, upgradeable and repairable. A different class of device basically. You can potentially cut that spend significantly using second hand parts (although the strategy is not risk free, depending on the source). Nice. What were the GPU temps? Can't see a blue line on the graph with the positive scale there :)

Hardly surprising. Shunt-modded? 25400 TS graphics on the 3090Ti: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/29439566

The complaint is more around their general marketing practices. Gimped product re-releases, ever more gimped VRAM bandwidth, "4090" half the speed of the real thing. At the very least they should have slapped an M or Max-Q on. BTW Last time I checked my 3090 Ti FE scored around 23k in TS Graphics with some very mild OC (that Micron VRAM makes me nervous lol). Clearly, it would go further on air alone if I made any serious effort (case fans were idle-ish I think), not to mention inside a water block with a chiller attached. Not even going into shunt modding.

I find GB to be a bit of an insult to geeks. It's very short, therefore the results are quite noisy and thus somewhat unreliable. Otherwise, always good to see AMD breathing down Intel's neck, and pushing them to do more hardcore work for us :)