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TFX degraded spectacularly fast. Testing PTM7950 now, hope I won't need another paste (short of going with direct die). Initial results were phenomenal, although have fallen off after a couple of days (still good though). Wonder how long it will last.

I don't think it's realistic to expect Linux to be as easy as Windows for someone migrating from Windows (sort of by definition of migration, and again, mind you: many people find Windows confusing, or certainly aren't super-comfortable with all the features). Using Linux is not necessarily that much more complicated, were you to start from scratch, just unfamiliar if you are coming from Windows. A newcomer needs to learn to do things differently, same as they would if they were getting started with MacOS. Here are some examples: Windows -> Linux Windows window manager - > one of several window managers available on Linux: KDE, Gnome, Mate, Xfce etc. (pretty straightforward except for maybe KDE) Windows filesystem layout -> UNIX/GNU/Linux filesystem layout (and filesystem features such as links and symlinks which are very rarely used on Windows) Drive letters -> C: is the root "/" + flexible mounting of drives/volumes anywhere you want Registry -> Config files Devices in device manager -> Devices in /dev Windows app store -> Linux Software Manager apps (generally distro specific) + package managers, flatpaks etc. if you want to understand what's happening under the hood There are also things which will be largely alien to an average Windows user, but are not uncommon on LInux (although a new user can certainly do without): * Building software from source (after all most things are open source) - doesn't really require any programming knowledge, usually just one command copied from README file * Using shell/terminal on a regular basis (so one needs to learn the GNU system commands and basics of say bash) If I were to start now, I would probably read a book, or at least google and go through some tutorials. People with more of a tech background, might be tempted to do a short course, e.g.: https://www.coursera.org/learn/linux-fundamentals#syllabus Trying to wing it might prove frustrating. So the question is why, and here are several benefits to be realised, depending on one's priorities: * Much improved privacy (although Windows can be hacked to somewhat mitigate privacy issues) * Improved security * Lower software cost * Supporting the idea of an open system * Improved system/application performance (more of an advanced topic - it's not a given that things will just run faster on any Linux distro, however, in certain domains pretty much a guarantee) * Not supporting MS and its direction of travel under the current leadership, if that's an attractive proposition * Access to native GNU environment * Developing new tech skills around Linux * Reduced RAM utilization / making some older hardware (think a <= 4GB RAM laptop) great again - something like Ubuntu MATE requires about 1GB of RAM after boot while looking like a Mac pro (and there are even lighter options)

Fail. I looked at the perf comparison chart, but the 2060 there was the desktop variant....

Yeah, the Turing RTX 3000 (confusingly, Nvidia will have soon released like 4 different chips under the same name) is actually about 20% behind 2060, but still if you got the whole laptop for about a grand, that sounds like a decent deal. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/quadro-rtx-3000-mobile.c3428

Precisions are reliably said to be solid machines, but obviously RTX 3000 is an entry level GPU that would probably disappoint in gaming.

Sounds like some really custom tough touchpad there. You could get Panasonic to release the docs, and write your own driver :)

For 13900K AFII 360 AIO with 6 Noctua iPPC is barely enough at stock ratios. The CPU really needs to be delidded and ideally cooled using a custom WC loop. Other than that, it's absolutely awesome.

BTW Apps on Linux app stores are also pretty good already.

To be fair, NGreedia got used to these kind of releases on the desktop side as well. For example, the crypto boom era 3060 12GB performs about the same as 2060S, probably due to much lower memory bandwidth :(

Well, apparently NVidia does sometimes listen to community feedback. On the desktop side they were laughed off with the "4080" 12GB and forced to cancel a launch in progress. In contrast, on the laptop side, the community response we seem to observe a lot is along the lines of "OMG mobile 4090 is awesome, because it can sometimes beat 3090Ti desktop card in games!!". Music to the ears of the crafty marketing folks at NVidia :)

@Papusan Message received loud and clear. It used be the case that for a premium, you'd get a basic high spec desktop performance out of a laptop. The premium is still there, seemingly ever larger, but the performance gap is now glaring. Fair to assume that at least some people who are not married to, deeply in love or simply dependent on laptops will be taking this situation into account and at least reviewing their computing spend strategy, especially if they desire top performance or most bang for their buck.

OK, 35818 without any attempt to tune things for this power level, so assuming that 13980HX is roughly equivalent to 13900K at 200W and can hold it, 36k should indeed be within reach. (Max core temp 77C with fans barely audible at 1500RPM lol)

No one in their right mind would put an air cooler on an 13900K. I have a 360 AIO and 6 Noctua IPPC 3000 RPM fans in push pull, and this is barely enough to cool it at stock frequencies with - 55mV undervolt. I might put a 200W power limit on and see what score I get, just for giggles.

It doesn't really matter in terms of estimating performance in normal use of the CPU. Even if genuine, the result is an outlier based on some silly unstable settings. For the purpose of comparison with desktops, the reference score would be somewhere in 43-44k range for the 13900K and even higher for the KS.

Where do you see the temps on the screenshot again? It just shows CB23, right? Sure, if you impose a power limit on 12900K and 13900K you will get scores which are closer together as well. The max score is 33k which seems more reasonable. No way that guy just scored a whopping 10% more than that on an unmodded laptop platform.

I don't believe it. Looks like an LN2 hack if not bare faced photoshop. Median CB23 score is around 30k for this CPU. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i9-13980HX-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.675757.0.html

You can click "..." in the upper right corner of the post, then "Hide post". Poof!

If they are benching, chances are they can afford aircon too :)

That's reassuring I guess, hopefully I'm barking up the wrong tree with this Micron thing. Of course, we don't know if the card didn't die shortly after the record score was achieved. Have yet to attempt running GPU-Z in Wine etc. Kind of procrastinating on this presumably frustrating endavour lol

Micron developed it, but according to the below, it's also manufactured by Samsung. https://www.techoverwrite.com/gddr6-or-gddr6x-for-gaming/ Curious what my 3090Ti has, not sure how to check in Linux though.

True, but there could be some identifiable biases amongst manufacturers. @Papusanwhich VRAM does your HoF sport?

The link I posted earlier had people hint at durability issues. Again the conservative approach here would be to assume that the skunk hasn't really changed its stripes :) In practice the stripes may have improved, but the 4090 is a relatively new card, will need more time and bold overclockers to guinea pig this and verify the reliability profile over time.

It could be anything, although obviously it doesn't look like a typical VRAM issue. One last thing you could try is blow some air/vacuum clean it robustly in case some piece of debris caused a short or something. Super far fetched of course. I feel like these Amazon deals are often repackaged (sometimes barely) open boxes. Someone may have noticed some worrying symptoms before you and returned it, then you delivered the coup de grace during initial benching. There may have been a short period when it was still there but bleeding out so to speak. All that said I would still be rather careful with Micron memory. Wow, what a card, enjoy! Side note: An LCD display? LOL You've now given up any rights to complain about 'bling bling" bro ;)

Yes, Ubuntu, PopOS or Zorin, might have helpful features like that. USB drives just pop in in File Manager GUIs for most distros I think, I don't know what happens if they are not formatted. I am not sure when The Year of Pure Linux Desktop might arrive. The average person would somewhat struggle using Windows. Clever folks like Jobs recognised that, and developed products like iOS which hide away all the complexity for the average user. That's obviously extremely profitable, as opposed to asking people to read and understand a 50 page booklet before they can effectively use their computer. They would rather pay money AND hand over their personal data in order to avoid the effort.

I know, Micron VRAM was doa on my Turing laptop, Micron makes the slowest DDR5 etc. As for the links, first hit on Google bro, looks like there are more. https://www.overclock.net/threads/rtx-4090-and-memory-chip-degradation.1804008/ The word is that SK Hynix and Samsung memory is better.