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Yeah, I don't see a reason why significantly more power would be used by the desktop SKU. Looking at the specs, it's the same CPU, the same process, it's just necessarily clocked much lower on the laptop. Unfortunately I can't check right now, but from memory the 13900K power draw goes down to a few W on idle (with UV).

Westworld any good?

What do you mean? Idle power utilisation? Or do you mean that if we power-cap a desktop CPU it will run similarly to the HX? Obviously, under full load the desktop CPU can pull 325W+ and undervolted consistently run at 270W while scoring 41-43k in CB23, so I don't imagine this is anywhere close to what the mobile CPUs can achieve, at a cost to efficiency.

Thanks, probably the best option. It's also on eBay UK for immediate delivery at 3x the price from a 14 star seller... I could also get things like TFX (from some low rank Chinese seller on Amazon), Alphacool Apex, and Corsair XTM70, but the TFX seems to not be holding up too well according to some anecdotes (probably another short term OC product), and the other two have no track record, but probably the same "great but short life" category.

Thanks, sounds like a great idea, the problem is availability - eBay looks like the only quick option here. The pad size is 31x50mm, which will just about fit the LGA1700 IHS ( 28.30x38.30mm). Sounds like a plan! I already have the MX-6 in hand so will try that first though.

Phobya lasted much longer than SYY 157 on my system (constant 250-270W load), but after about 6 weeks it needs to be changed as well. Pretty annoyed by this, as repasting is both a downtime and a hassle. Will try MX-6 next - not much of a rationale there other than Arctic MX-4's reputation for longevity, but both are silicone-based which is a worry. The problem is that it's hard to find information regarding longevity, as reviews generally just cover the immediate results which are kind of meaningless anyway (very close to each other for top pastes). Failing that I am not sure it's worth trying anything else in the traditional department, perhaps the phase change TIM @Falkentyne suggested. Other options would include tried and true products such as AS5 or IC Diamond. Don't really care about curing time, just long term reliability with reasonable performance. In the end all roads seem to lead to LM, CPU markings be damned, or need to bite the larger bullet and upgrade to a custom loop, perhaps with a chiller. Would just need a CPU block, as GPUs are running very cool. Yeah, probably need to start shopping for that...

Phobya lasted much longer than SYY 157, but after about 6 weeks it needs to be changed as well. Pretty annoyed by this. Will try MX-6 next.

Yeah, I think that one will be hard to pull off, not least because the game set the bar so high. I am not sure what, if anything, they could add on top of that experience. Right off the bat Ellie looks a little miscast. Probably more aimed at the people who haven't had a chance to play.

That was Ballmer somewhere between Windows 95 and 7 era, i.e. the Golden Era of Windows. Today Microsoft is looking to invest $10B in OpenAI, and at the same time cut 10000 juobs, with Nutella talking about efficiency. Sign of the times and things to cone.

Laptops...

I remember discovering him via his "mouse for Quake" reviews - he clearly knew what he was talking about then. Also on the plus side were his reviews of things like eGPUs, which more mainstream reviewers don't bother with.

GWE is quite nice indeed. It doesn't have the voltage curve, but that's pretty much a gimmick. All you care about is max clock at the supported voltage. Too bad it doesn't handle multiple GPUs. I just use the CP to OC and "NVIDIA System Monitor" for monitoring, which also shows per-process GPU utilisation. Yes, overall the monitoring GUI tools are not quite at the level of what's available in Windows, but they get the job done for me.

Does the BIOS boot selection menu (F11 etc) show up on the secondary monitor? If so, choosing which OS to boot via that might be easier for you.

Haven't used anything on the CPU side, but clearly yes, as per bro Fox's screenshot. What's interesting though is that Linux NVIDIA driver has direct support for GPU and memory OC as well as (basic) fan control in the CP - something Windows has never had.

Qatari to the rescue I guess. Meanwhile, there may be some chump change to pay out to Tesla shareholders who were drastically robbed of value last year: Elon Musk begins trial over Tesla tweet that cost him $20m

Well, we'll see how it goes with the MX-6. There is also the Corsair XTM70 as fallback, or could order the Honeywell from China. I also have the grey 14W/mK CryoFuze, just really wasn't impressed how it performed on a GPU. Literally no difference over stock, so on one hand I feel like I don't want to waste time with that, on the other hand it might actually be very durable - won't know until I try. Basically, the question is: what is the most robust of top-tier pastes, such that it might stand a chance surviving a merely AIO-cooled "HEDT-lite" onslaught?

So, looks like 24/7 @ 90C+ was too much for Phobya after several weeks. P-Core 7 started spiking to 100C. I'm worried there is a problem with the contact frame adjustment, since there was no issue before with the Intel bracket over several months. Will try to readjust the frame and use MX-6 for a change. Failing that, it will be time to try LM I guess. Closer ot summertime it might need to bite the bullet and upgrade to water cooling. Any other suggestions appreciated as always.

Yeah, I have found his reviews lacking in depth before.

Yep, that's the one legitimate use case - I didn't bother mentioning it since unfortunately it's also a negligible edge case... It's a bit like saying watching a lot of TV is great because people can then go on to work in the creative industry. Indeed, it's hard to tell what else you might end up doing, if you are smart and hard working enough to make it in the competitive gaming industry you were conditioned as a child to pursue. BTW A truly ridiculous rationalisation of gaming is people saying the play to become "pros". That's really sad, and in a vast majority of cases probably an indication of delusion coupled with genuinely clinical addiction.

Well, ChromeOS is just Linux with a Google shell/Window manager and services layer. I don't think there is something terribly wrong with the Windows 7 shell, and if Microsoft could migrate to Linux core, it would be great :) It would actually make a lot of sense, but I'm almost certain they won't do it. Well, actually Apple started the simple trend, with the very simple iOS. Android was considered to be "complicated" in comparison initially. True to a large extent, with some exceptions: there has been progress in hardware performance (CPU/GPU, WiFi, Cellular), and Linux seems better than it was a few years ago. Otherwise the world is slowly going down the drain.

Microsoft has been very much copying the worst aspect of ChromeOS, namely it's spyware nature.

I believe that term, which is not universally accepted by the scientific community, is misleading - what is typically meant by this is propensity to addiction having adverse consequences, but aren't the underlying mechanisms the same, regardless of the outcome of addition? Many successful people are totally addicted to what they are involved in. Einstein was addicted to physics. It's all he could think of, and clearly that was a necessary condition for him to be able to perform at the level he did. No doubt in my mind that environmental factors play a role: had Einstein been raised in front of a computer screen playing games, would he proceed to develop breakthrough scientific theories? The problem with games is that they hijack often very capable people's reward systems such that they end up wasting their potential, and this is most likely affecting young people to the greatest extent. At 50 or 60 we are less likely to be excited by yet another game, or fall into the trap we have fallen into before.

OK, not sure why I tried lol. Lesson learned.

Paranoia is a fear of a threat that doesn't exist, whereas this is factual - there is no conjecture or ambiguity. Detailed discussion of how exactly they use this kind of data to profile people is a bit out side of scope of this thread, but I'm sure that's googlable too if you are interested and have some of the requisite background. “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” Arthur C. Clarke

Again, you are not in violation of their privacy policy, their privacy policy has been designed to violate you, so to speak. Psychometric tests are powerful tools in the hands of tech companies seeking to profile you for commercial and political purposes. Here is an intro by the guy who helped get Trump (and Obama) elected, although it does't specifically state they mostly relied on psychometric tests, you can google that with ease: