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I don't have CPU-X but I have the same issue with hardinfo, not that I pull that up often. I use htop, shows clocks and temps correctly enough once enabled in the setup menu. On 13900K there is a minor issue where it doesn't map P-Core temps to the sibling HT logical cores, but obviously not a biggie. 12900KS was fine.

Looked legit, in fact the packaging was excellent, although who knows. Bought this on Amazon from an outfit called ZBXC-UK on which the following details are provided: Customer Services Address: shenzhenshilonghuaqulonghuajiedao yucuishequjianhuilu21haoxinweidasha11ceng116fang shenzhenshi guangdongsheng 518000 CN Business Address: Shenzhenshi longhuaqu longhuajiedao yucuishequ jianhuilu121hao xinweidasha11ceng1116fang Shenzhenshi Longhuaqu Guangdongsheng 518000 CN

Yes, forgot to mention the obvious that in graphics-intensive applications there is also some additional overhead due to rendered data being also copied to the iGPU frame buffer.

Unfortunately the matter is highly p....cised, so there is some defensive rhetoric in the media supportive of the affected p... side. Instead of the wholly due unequivocal condemnation, the reaction has been muted. This may backfire. Because the outfit operated in a loosely or unregulated environment (this too could be explained as an honest mistake I guess, after all the weather is lovely in the Bahamas), they would likely attempt to claim gross negligence, incompetence, bad luck, rookie mistake, hacker attack etc. if ever seriously questioned there. If this was operated in the US/UK/Europe though, explanations (if any), would likely have to be provided while the team is in custody. Worth noting that incompetence or negligence are generally invalid lines of defence in cases involving those tightly regulated financial markets. Seems like Wikipedia has a decent summary. One thing is pretty clear: CZ, the Binance owner, pulled the plug on FTX as a result of the feud with SBF. While had every right to do so, he probably did not fully realise the extent of vulnerability he is trying to exploit, not to mention all the potential consequences for the crypto ecosystem (hence the subsequent brief takeover attempt). What a mess.

Err, let's not talk about that whole Mars thing, let's focus on Twitter. That's what's important!

Yeah, the Honeywell pad looks promising, or at least well advertised. Was even worthy of a Linus review lol.

I wonder if both of those scores aren't just derived from some same common metric, like the default VID tps posted. All you really need to know is some ballpark. I doubt a 1 point difference in Force rating makes any material difference. With more data points we could likely figure that out, but then it would be CPU specific. What's really needed is an external board-agnostic rating tool. XTU would seem like a good place for this, but then it's not something Intel would want to provide, for the reason you mentioned.

If kernel 6 had the same problem then yeah - sounds like an Asus thing. Kind of strange, since they have been around forever. Guess that doesn't mean much, companies change, and not necessarily for the better.. AW is a nice example of that. Anyway, good call on my part to go with MSI (so far at least, we'll see about the reliability).

I don't think that either, nor was that implied in my statement. There are many technical people who specialise in the Microsoft ecosystem. A lot depends on the use cases, for some of them Linux is actually the preferred system to use, despite the option to use Windows, in some other scenarios using Linux would be impossible. As for Windows dependencies, these of course exist and can cause worry and hassle. Luckily I have found I don't need any of them after all because either native Linux or Web alternatives do the job. There is actually one hard dependency, but luckily I am fine running it on another Windows machine, and failing that I would just run it in a VM (if Wine failed). In my case, the relatively minor investment of time has been fully justified, don't see myself looking back anytime soon, and in fact I wish I had gone through with it years earlier. BTW I have seen Linux workstations being in used in major corporations, so it's not like business necessarily has to be done on Windows. Overall, the world would probably become a slightly better place if people stopped using Windows, but like all progressive change, it requires effort. Failing that, we will continue paying M$ for their bloated and spyware-laden OS and at the same time moaning about the ever increasing number of shortcomings of Windows 11, 12, 13 etc. - to no avail :)

There are pros and cons to both. Windows is the better option for most non-technical people, primarily because it's the officially supported option by most consumer HW vendors, and more foolproof (although far from ideal as we know). I would have probably stuck with Windows for convenience's sake without a clear incentive. 33% more CPU performance is freaking awesome - it's hard to overstate how great that is, however, most distros won't realise such gains, in fact I found Manjaro to be slower than Windows 11 lol, which was surprising given it's supposed to be the cutting edge Arch variant. It looked the coolest though l, perhaps that was a part of it. Now, of course, the way Windows has been going, incentives to abdandon Windows start going beyond performance, but I guess with all those 3rd party Windows privacy/anti-bloatware mods, people are still fine. Let's see what Satya&co. come up with next, driven by their clear vision of Windows' new role in the world :)

The reality is that standard/full-blown Linux is not an OS for most people yet. It does require a lot more technical knowledge than Windows or MacOS. Actually, there is a very user-friendly Linux: it's called Chrome OS. Of course that OS is criminally dumbed down. There could also be something from Valve, I'm not sure. As the old saying goes: "Linux is friendly, just very particular about its choice of friends", although condescending statements like that are of negative value in terms of encouraging adoption. Anyway, what kernel version are you running? Most people would give up right upon seeing this question. The discussion bifurcated a bit:

No worries. On my system Clear Linux is about 33% faster than Windows 11 in these CPU benchmarks. That's basically a major generational leap for "free". I was wondering how much of that gap can be bridged with extreme OC, including much faster RAM, and whether that would justify investment of effort in a custom WC loop.

Prior to making assumptions about Linux developer base (remember, Linux basically runs the world in the datacentres, where systems often sport $10k+ CPUs), I would check what kernel the imperfect Linux was running. If it's even 12 months old, the 12900KS hadn't even been out at the time. Well, if you poll the customers, they will certainly point to a discounted price as being ideal. I'm not trying to excuse Nvidia's pricing here, just pointing out the reality of the situation where gaming will soon represent like 25% of NVIDIA's business. Hopefully they will respond to pressure from AMD...

I'm sure everyone has heard about the gigantic fraud operated by one astute MIT alum Samuel Bankman-Fried. This is causing severe damage to cryptocurrency space, and will likely set it back by several years. The scam is likely to eclipse Madoff's scheme. Hopefully no fellow members have been too exposed. Who knew this was coming? A boy wonder making obscene "profits" out of thin air and out of sight in the Bahamas. I guess human greed and stupidity wlll never change. People were essentially handing over their crypto to the scheme. In essence, this has nothing to do with the core crypto ideas and ecosystem per se. Not your keys, not your crypto. He might have just as well taken people's dollars, but then he wouldn't be able to just as easily capitalise on the crypto hype. Of course, the story goes even deeper if we look at the background of "SBF"'s activities , although we must be very aware of the implied forum guidelines when pursuing those fascinating angles. Of course, the people who have been closely involved in crypto are likely to be most affected. Here is a victim impact statement from a major crypto mining YouTube (the guy's dream was to build a solar-powered mining farm): @ryan @Mr. Fox @Papusan

Don't recall seeing this issue with the KS on any distro I tried with the MSI board, and it was def not there on Clear Linux in htop (running kernel 6). What tends to happen is there is a bit of a lag in driver/library support etc. of new hardware vs Windows, although Clear Linux seems to be cutting edge with respect to that (ex Nvidia support of course). For instance, temp sensor data is still misaligned on the 13900K in htop - a super minor issue. Your problem should get addressed with a kernel update. I guess what they say is true, there is no such thing as free lunch. If you want to reap the benefits of Linux, some effort and compromises will be involved. On the upside @tps3443 still hasn't managed to beat my blender and indigobench CPU scores with his super-OCed and uber binned CPUs running on Microsoft's fantastic OS ;)

I had no probs with this on the KS as far as I recall on a number of distros I tried on my MSI board, however, with the 13900K there is a minor niggle - temp sensors are not showing up correctly in htop. There are 24 readings, presumably mapping to the 24 physical cores, but they are not mapped correctly to the 2 logical cpus per each p-core. Not a biggie.

But they are in business. Market share would only matter if they had enough silicon. Yes, looks like there are quite a few 4080s sitting on shelves, but this would only get discounted if it it doesn't sell at all, or if they have a supply of 4080 chips they can't control (due to the manufacturing process, for example - if the chip in the 4080 is a flawed version of the one in 4090, sorry forgot the chip designations - is that how it works?).

Does he have unlimited amount of silicon to meet demand from all those market segments? Which one do you think is more profitable? (hint: check out the pricing of the data center cards) His gaming revenue is collapsing and will fall down further before it reaches the bottom, but the profit margins will remain strong, which is what matters for him. As you said, he does have the more premium product. Not everyone will be able to afford it for the time being. I'm sorry, but if the plan is to sit and wait for better pricing... well, looks like it's going to be a longer than expected sitting.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news here, but Jensen will manage to laugh this gamer rage off. The crypto boom got replaced by AI. Nvidia Q3 Revenue was $5.9B, of which $3.8B was Data Center, up 31% YoY. Gaming is still significant at $1.5B, but down 51% vs previous year, and -25% vs previous quarter. This year Nvidia are no longer primarily a gaming hardware company. He can charge this much for whatever chips he can spare for the gamers - and he can clearly spare very little indeed. The workstation cards are a niche for them too BTW: $200M, and this is also down a whopping 65% YoY. All aboard the AI train, except Conductor Jensen will check the tickets momentarily and get those gamers and other enthusiast and creator plebs off those premium Nvidia carriages.

Haha. I would think he has the resources to try and make an ElonPhone, would love to see that attempt! If he doesn't like something, he can just make his own version of it. Things are great in his universe.

Maybe ask for some time off or something to deal with the move? Any sane employer would approve.

If everything else fails, there are things like stevia, but it could be double-edged sword, as it could actually intensify the cravings. You need to be able to stay off sugar for about the month for your taste/cravings to start adjusting noticeably.

OK, so with 11th gen the failed idea was to trade off some cores for much better single-core performance, keeping multicore equal, with the intent to please gamers. I hope they won't make the same mistake again lol

I hope that'll prove to be FUD spread by avid AMD supporters ;) OK, but let's entertain that possibility for a second. I repeat the question: why on Earth would they do that, especially if they manage to transition to a 7nm process. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Can't really see Intel reducing the overall core count. Why would they do that? They might swap P-Cores for quite a few more E-Cores though, especially if they make them much faster. At that point it might be a good idea to rebrand them to something like N-Cores (probably not Hard-Cores though) to stop putting some people off the platform lol. I guess it's all pure speculation at this point? I've seen some rumours claiming this will be a 7nm process, which of course would be a huge leap forward for them.