If the 5090FE cost $2000 then should this be the normal MSRP for the 5090 Astral (10% extra).

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

You would be surprised how many people do not know..............

That is spot on... Dell can continue with their business as long consumers throw away their hard earned money... From the OP post..... 

I’ve done loads of research to the point where I think I’m just running round in circles now with the little understanding I have of gaming pc’s. I understand that I would be paying a premium for this particular PC but that doesn’t bother me.

Not from Dell but still an disgusting deal... 

Gold-plated RTX 5090 for up to 19,200 euros net on eBay

On 6/9/2025 at 6:40 PM, Bullit said:

Folia,  Vivaldi version. Lets burn the violins!

 

 

Nothing beat the sound of the bagpipe😄

41 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

So the 6000 can only have a ~2% failure rate before it then goes into the pile of defects  for the "mid range"  5090's or knowing Nvidia maybe a 5090ti down the road with somewhere between 21,760 and 24,064. 5090 has a much more generous 13% margin of error defect rate and I suspect within its parameters much much better yields than the 6000. You're definitely paying for that much more golden/better yield chip that's for sure.

 

I am sure slowly, but surely, Nvidia is stockpiling those full fat perfect GB202's for some mega expensive card down the road.

Those defective 6000 chips will go into China as their newer AI server chips paired with +48GB GDDR7. No point make 5090Ti if they don't cost north of $4500. And that's too much for 5090Ti/Super class cards. 

The Fury say sing so😁

And very equal  as....

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

If everyone would be smart and say eff ewe to companies selling $3400 5090s and $1200 9070 XTs there would be no companies selling $3400 5090s and $1200 9070 XTs. They'd be selling them for what they are actually worth and making a reasonable profit in the process. They have priced them based on how much an idiot is willing to pay for them. Too many people have issues exercising self-control, restraint and prudence. They are driven by their desires more than intelligence. They know this and they are exploting this flaw in their humanity.

This is waste of money @Mr. Fox 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, AIB pricing is all jacked up. Real bad. I think in the end they are hurting themselves. There will always people that are idiots with money that have no limits on what they are willing to spend to have what they want. But, even the most idiotic person can reach a point of recognizing when they are being screwed. I don't mind paying 25% more if I get at least 25% more. 

And I'm sure they won't reduce prices if the GPU tariff won't be as high as some think.... And not so sure the US governments is so keen make PC's, laptops and important computer parts being so expensive a few weeks before the school year start in the United States. And we all know +95% of needed tech is made in Asia. Even 10% tariff will be felt very well when the school year opens.

Or maybe the US Government want that you all should buy cheap Chromebooks/tablets for the school opening? Maybe go back to pen and paper evn in the higher leven schools? If that happens, you can be sure that education in the US will fall further behind countries like etc. China. Bad enough as it is. I doub't we will se an massive price  hike due stupid high tariffs right before the school start up this summer.

But Nvidia and AIBs... They will do whatever they can to max out profits. And you don't need flagship graphics cards for School work... So.

GPU Manufacturers Are Rushing NVIDIA GPU Production To Bring Them To The US Prior To The July 9

Well, companies are fond of leveraging desperate times in order to increase profit margins, and in the case of AIBs, well, they would likely wait for the July 9th deadline to pass before releasing market inventory. This would allow them to bump up prices in case a trade agreement isn't reached, and then ultimately, drive up the prices. 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

In other words, tariffs are definitely real and valid, but why is it every other sector has been barely affected by them in the computer parts? SSDs are still cheap and memory prices are falling. Motherboards remained about the same (IE, still overpriced but static) and CPU prices are either the same from last year or have fallen. Case prices have gone up though but nothing as insulting as the 5090 mark ups.

See bolded text. 

12 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Hallelujah!!

I wonder how bad the real 5050 will be when the 5060 is in reality an mediocre 5050 class graphics card. So an new released 5050 aka xx30 tier card for your pc monitor setup and not much more. Then why not instead go with an processor with iGPU? The real 5050 will be a waste of sand and should never be made. Or waste of money for the consumers. Put in what's fits.

The Real Nvidia GPU Lineup: GeForce RTX 5060 is Actually a Mediocre 5050

Btw. The newest tech in Papusan's plaza😀

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I’m beginning to seriously question if anything is ever good enough for me or most people.

 

All we can do is waste our money, convince ourselves into buying the GPU, then we sing our praises about the things that are true. 

Se bolded text....

This affects other models as well. What used to cost $350 to $400 (inflation-adjusted) now costs $550, and you're not even getting as much as you used to. GPUs that once sold for $500 to $600 prior to 2020 are now $1,000. Everything has gone up by 40% to 50% on top of overall inflation.

So why is the GeForce lineup suffering from such significant shrinkflation? Why are consumers getting less value now than ever? An obvious answer is simple: new unlimited demand for AI GPUs and profit.

18 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Adjust settings, play the game....isn't that how we've always done it?

Maybe better have a nap😁 

18 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

No one is being scammed unless they do not list the VRAM somewhere in the specs. If they aren't listing it at all, then sure. But if it is listed, isn't that consumer choice? Pick the card that fits your needs. Watching Daniel show the prebuilts, you can clearly see it shows the GPU has 8GB of VRAM.

Not all average Joe see it this way. If the PC cost above $1000 then it has  to be good. And don't expect everyone know the difference between 8 and 16GB vram. You shouldn't give so much credit to humanity. Even stupids can be great people. Sad seeing they become screwed. 

See bolded text.

Nvidia is ready to help China with "cheaper" graphics cards for AI workloads. If you aren't alloved to sell higher tier graphics cards... What is better than offer them needed parts for DIY ? If they can offer the GB202 silicon and vram IC's much is done. And probably more difficult to track where it lands. Just use shell companies or/and their AIB partners around the China region. 48GB 5090's is incoming. But not for everyone. Jensen Huang will do everything for China. Even go outside the US ban for higher profits

Samsung GDDR7 3GB modules now available for DIY purchase in China, RTX 5090 48GB mods incoming?

In China, Samsung’s new K4VCF325ZC-SC28 24Gb memory is now on sale. Potential customers apparently need to buy at least ve modules to get free shipping, and each module costs around 10 USD.

13 hours ago, electrosoft said:

People seem to get stuck on the whole VRAM issue. I am one of the few who thinks the whole 8gb fiasco is blown out of proportion and an 8GB card is ok depending on your use case. I also think 10GB and 12GB is just fine too.  I watched the reviews of the 5060 and 5060ti and went, "Ya know, it's not that bad at all..." Same for the 9060xt w/ 8GB of VRAM.

Most people buy prebuilt systems and keep them 4-5 years. And up to $2000 for the whole systems and with 8GB vram cards in 2025 ain't nice. Rather ugly. Even $1200-1400 systems with this type of scam ain't pretty. But that's me. I don't like being scammed. I rather pay a bit more or buy used than support this form of tech degradation...

And this ain't pretty. Form over function.... 

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I haven't had a chance to install it yet. I've been testing out the items I picked up from GTZ over on the OC forums. Fast and as advertised as always. Just a good guy all around. I wish the tech forums had a 1000 of him.

 

I'm going to move that 13400 from him into this B760 Gigabyte Gaming AX board I have w DDR5 6400 and install that before I give the 5070 a whirl in a few days. I've finished testing my 9070xt just about. 2fps+ Max OC'd vs stock on min and avg in Deux Ex, WoW, Fallout 76....yay? 🙂

 

Why the 5070 ? Maybe the worst SKU in nvidias's lineup. I know you won't keep it but support Nvidia this way ain't very productive. 

@Mr. Fox Here's the thing.... We had something similar with older Win 8/8.1 and Windows 10. If you run benchmarks and the processor maxed out at 100%. This smart ass operating system from Redmond figured out that you weren't using the machine if you weren't touching the mouse and hence started up collecting telemetry, maintaining the OS and then sending the data back to Microsoft's servers. Only because the OS think the machine wasn't in use when you run benchmarks. 

Maybe it will be the same with the new Win 11 build, but with baby cores running to collect your data (the P cores is disabled while Microsoft gets its share of your data/privacy). No in Hell Microsoft is able to do this correct.

Windows 11 25H2 Introduces User Interaction-Aware CPU Power Management

These adjustments may include lowering clock speeds and voltage, extending time spent in deeper C-State sleep modes, and disabling high-performance cores while leaving low-power cores active. This approach aims to optimize energy consumption without compromising system responsiveness.

Dedicated to @Mr. Fox😀

For the Red Team jockey's. What you see isn't what you think it is.  Samsung isn't what they were in the older days...

RX 9070 XTs with Samsung memory are almost 2% slower than those with SK Hynix despite having higher GPU frequencies

AMD has not clarified anything, manufacturers do not want to talk

We've been working on a cross-platform comparison of the RX 9070 XT recently, and during testing we noticed that many high-end graphics cards, no matter how high their base clock, how good their quality, or how capable their overclocking is, simply couldn't outperform some models with more basic materials and reference designs in 3DMark.

The increased sale of Nvidia gaming cards is a lie. Just more 5090's feeded into China. Yup, that's spot on. I have said the same a long time now. China will always get what they want. And Nvidia's CEO Jensen is fine with that.

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

100%. That's what they do. They do it at the hardware/firmware level and they can do even more with cancer drivers.

 

They've always been that way. I still remember and resent their clock-blocked crap on notebooks about 10 years ago using drivers. If you wanted to play games that required the new driver then you were SOL on overclocking. Very scummy.

This. Nvidia can just stop the card from function properly afterwards with just the geforce driveres.... I look at you Maxwell (Nvidia killed voltage tuning with newer drivers and the voltage slider is greyed out/not working anymore even with kingpin cards and their own XOC software). And people want/need newer drivers as months goes, so.... Isn't that nicly done by Nvidia? And I'm 100% sure Nvidia could easly open up the max vram cap for 5000 series cards with their drivers if they wanted (this will overide any firmware lock). Both for desktop cards and those castrated soldered chips (better word for BGA) for Jokebooks.

12 hours ago, electrosoft said:

AMD CAN run hot but Nvidia pushing the TDP 575w AND removing the hot spot sensor can't just be a coincidence nor limited to the FE edition.

 

It comes down to cooler design and fan profiles too for the 9070xt:

Previous gen aka 4090 had access to 600W vbios. Even Nvidias own FE card. Would be nice to see if the RTX 6000 Pro have the hot spot monitoring. But I doub't it. At least Nvidia gave the 6000 Pro access to lowering the Power limits well below what you can do with 5090. So there is some differences. But why not for the 5090 ?

Here is what @Mr. Fox looks for when he want to buy new gen processors. And Intel will offer in loads.... Better iGPU and more baby cores than ever. Can you really ask for more?🤐

Nova Lake-S could benefit from a hybrid GPU architecture

And AMD learn everything from Nvidia. Or do they?

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

I'm starting to think @tps3443 is doing a little side work for Nvidia as hard as he is pushing this FE card. The card is the  bottom of the barrel. It always has been, that is why it is the cheapest to buy.

 

 Nvidia does not like to RMA GPU's, they want them to be sold once and not returned for 4 more under sketchy warranties of.... it died while idling, but forgot to mention that a drip of water landed on the PCB while the card was "idling"😂

Hmmm. The 12v-2*6 adapter that follow with the FE package is the best in the tech industri🙂 

15 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Well, we have no idea what Nvidia's hotspot is because they took the reading from us....I wonder why that is? 😞

From what I have seen, AMD cards just run hot on hotspoot temp and same with vram (this gen and previous). Not sure why Nvidia removed it but I doub't we would see same high temps on nvidia cards.

My best guess... The FE cards run hot so Nvidia removed it from being monitored (even for the best cooled AIB cards out there). In short.... None of the customers should be allowed to know how hot it will reach. So this stupid move is only due the roasting hot running FE cards.

4x 8pin any day. And weird AMD cards run so damn hot compared to nvidia. A 600W Radeon card would be a disaster. It would cook itself to death within a month. 

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Been like this since last night. +25 Cards

https://www.microcenter.com/product/690032/asus-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-rog-astral-overclocked-triple-fan-32gb-gddr7-pcie-50-graphics-card

Is this with out any tax? Aka MSRP ? What cost will it be added when you pay? Right below $3000 here home without tax (MSRP).

19 hours ago, Clamibot said:

Yep, AMD's performance these days screams. This is the reason I've switched over to only using AMD GPUs. Nvidia's drivers have a CPU side bottleneck that holds your framerate back

Hmmm. Also trash/buggy drivers from Nvidia help people migrate over to the Red side. Nvidia has reached Microsoft's low level now.  Using more and more AI for geforce driver development show it's ugly face. Microsoft does exactly the same for their monthly weekly hotfix patches to patch previous buggy patches. Then create new problems. Use of less engineers come at a price.

So this is to expect from today/tomorrow's tech world. Lower the bars, the happier you'll be. Or will you?

NVIDIA releases GeForce Hotfix 576.66 drivers fixing crashes and bugs in several games

18 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

What do you think about the black tubing @Papusan versus clear? (I already know your answer) I think this turned out quite nice. Very industrial and pseudo steampunk looking with the black and chrome with white LED.

 

 

I am testing this kit on the AORUS Master since they claim DDR5-8600 support. I suspect these will easily support that if the motherboard and CPU are capable. Bonus: No rainbow puke and no bloatware needed to kill it.

 

I'm sure you know the answer (and you say so). Black tubing is the only option for me. I used clear tubes many years ago. But only for a short time. Black is pretty. Black is classic. And black tubes offer less maintenance. So best of both worlds🙂

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Hide the problem. Out of sight........ So hopefully you have a good sense of smell.

What a fantastic stupid connector design choice for the cards. They (the engineers) know the fragile tiny trash can melt/overheat and burn up, yet they prefer to hide the problem behind the 4th fan. Aka you'll never know what about to happens before it's too late. You may get lucky and get blackscreen and can find the problem. But not everyone understand what't about to happen.

Here's @Mr. Fox looking on the stupidity from his smartphone... Aka nowadays computer for the young ones.

Make stupid design choices...

Then hide the tiny connector/cable to make it more pretty🙄

Gigabyte Launches the Aorus GeForce RTX 5090 Stealth Ice Graphics Card

Here's one more. Hide the power connector behind plastic covers.... Out of sight. Out of mind. Until you can smell some burnt plactic. 

AX Gaming GeForce RTX 50xx X3W MAX Series Debuts With Hidden Power Connection System

LOL The 5090 is all too cheap. 

10 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Looks like NVIDIA moderators removed the post. What did it say?

He did some changes to his pc. + maintenance. Aka he did a few disconnects of the trash cable. Once he should start use it the Astral monitoring showed imbalanced amps. Total out of specs. He bough new cable and everything was well again. Just show how unreliable this tiny trash is. Aka saved by the Astral monitoring. nvidia should have done what Asus did with the ROG tax and implemented monitoring of the power pins/rails. Maybe they don't like critics of Nvidia?

On 6/1/2025 at 2:55 AM, Mr. Fox said:

12VHPWR or whatever popular thing they are calling today, or whatever they decide to rename it tomorrow, is truly a POS connector that never should have seen the light of day. It is a sketchty, ill-conceived, fragile, unreliable and dangerous piece of crap. Nothing they can do to it--ever--will make it a good and reliable power cable. The group at NVIDIA responsible for bringing this abortion to market need to be stripped naked and caned in public until dead, then resuscitated, their employment terminated, citizenship revoked and then deported to a far away horrible place where life is miserable. 

We have now come so long that buying etc a new PSU ain't enough. You need buy spare power cables to be able to use your PC. Good luck try do that from some PSU vendors/manufacturers (Msi we look at you). Some will refuse offer you spare parts. Either due nothing in stock, don't sell spare parts or being difficult. Newer is newer. Not always better. The trend is crystal clear... You don't get what to expect. Not even if you buy the more premium products.

47 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Overall, I still think Intel has a better platform than AMD and I am sad they've screwed it up by making stupid choices. (Why does it seem like I am saying this frequently about all brands now? Because they are all idiots. None of them deserve our support at this point, only our wrath.)

Hmmn. I wonder why I'm still on older Raptor lake refresh. Maybe the newer products from AMD and Intel doesn't offer much more than what I already have or want? Paying premium for the modern tile mess isn't exactly what I want. Nope, I'm fine with what I already have. New is just newer, isn't it?🙃

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

"The 5090 is the waste. The garbage from the production of these (6000)" - brutal.

 

His end rant is spot on. You are getting the die rejects for the 5090 and yields for the full fat are much smaller. I'm sure Nvidia is stock piling the dies that can't even make it to mid range 5090 status and we'll get a 5080ti to dump those off.

 

The fact the 6000 Pro can look and run like a 5090 is all you need to know in regards to Nvidia just pushing and upselling everything to absurd levels.

I have still not heard what nvidia will do with the Chinese market  due possible (5090D /5090) US ban. If they are forced to make castrated 5090DD (dual dumbed down 5090s) I expect 5080Ti will have a hard launch for gamers (complete deficiency). China will grab +20-30% of all sub castrated 5090 cards with +24GB vram. Aka a horrible 5080Ti launch for the global market.