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Agreed, AI has totally shifted priorities this gen along with Nvidia exerting more and more control each generation along with pricing is getting painful. Jensen little man syndrome is in full effect unfortunately. I would hate to pick up that Asus 5090 (as beautiful and well crafted as it is) and be locked into certain motherboards going forward. I can't imagine not being able to test it in other systems easily which is also one reason I moved away from AIO based GPUs to air cooled this generation having previously used the 3090 Kingpin, 3090ti Kingpin and then Suprim 4090 Liquid. Swapping into open frame MBs was a nightmare with that AIO. I saw where they are now saying Super cards aren't coming till Q3 2026 which does not bode well for the 6000 series launch. If that is true, then yeah 6000 series won't launch until well into 2027. If rumors of greatly reducing or ceasing production and shifting the top end to the 5080 comes true that is even a darker portend of things to come for us mere consumers....

On paper, the WV2P basically makes the other model DOA unless it comes in much much cheaper but if you've already ponied up for a 5090.....With the ship dates so far out, we don't know what the status of Tariffs or FedEx shenanigans will be so this should be a "fun" ride. 😞 Oh yeah, MC openings are a major event/spectacle in the NerdWorld. As a general rule of thumb I tend to avoid all grand opening types of events (eateries, stores, etc...) or when events/movies premiere in theatres. I usually wait a full month or so before checking them out. I've even cut back on my normal convention hopping a bit because the crowds are ridiculous. I kind of get where TG is coming from since the recipient many times can formally open a claim and they are correct in the delivery status. You have to follow up on your own end. I've had this happen with several shipments over the years delivered to the wrong recipients and having to follow up with the local PO or UPS/FedEx. With most delivery services now taking pictures of the deliveries for verification, it makes it pretty straight forward to submit proof that clearly isn't your domicile. On the other hand, that six week wait is unacceptable. Don't forget you also need to get one of their aux powered MBs to go along with it..... Crazy pricing but one of the few out of the box aux powered 5090s on the market and sad to say with only 1000 being made, these will sell out pretty quickly. Exactly. With the WV2P, I will move away from the MSI tentacle. For my own edification, I do plan on running it for at least a week so I can monitor what's going on. How are 5090 stock levels there? They are drying up so quickly over here and back up to high pricing in rapid fashion.

With Microcenter offering 9070xt reapers on the regular for $599.99 aka MSRP, that's the way to go for bang:buck. All other 9070xts have dropped in price including the mighty Asrock Taichi down to $679.99 and Sapphire Nitro+ regularly down to $719.99. Plus Newegg has added black friday protection to Asrock cards even at $679.99 for the Taichi and $619.99 for the Steel so I am expecting even further price drops probably to $649.99 for black friday on the Taichi and $599.99 for the Steel. The gains in RT and FSR are very very good for AMD. They are here to play and with early reports of next gen GPUs showing a major architecture overhaul again with UDNA on the level of their move to RDNA. AMD is competing very well right now with the 5070ti on down with their stack. Of course AMD continues to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and those series of micro failures keep them from capturing the mindshare from Nvidia fans. Nvidia has its issues, but it continues to deliver on most fronts including the most important, performance and AMD is not afforded the luxury of Nvidia missteps like Intel to finally conquer. Steve went on a little too long about it but the points are sound. Ray tracing is definitely the future along with DLSS making massive inroads but I'm afraid so is FG but if Nvidia can make the same performance increases like they did with RT then FG may reach a day where it has zero latency penalty. If we reach that point, I welcome it too. As for the connector, unfortunately it is here to stay. All we can hope for is line protection/balancing mechanisms enacted to keep them balanced properly on both ends. I look forward to my WV2 Pro. I'm thinking of picking up the Asrock 1600w on sale that is populated with not only 2x 12v-2x6 connectors but also 8x 8 pin PCIe connectors. $199.99 is a good price. It also has Newegg's black friday protection I said it before and I'll say it again. 🙂 5090FE is a SFF engineering marvel but that's where it ends. In every other category I'm going any other card and depending on SFF size you can even fit an Astral in there but the perfect compromise is the Ventus 5090. Coming off an Astral, I literally opened the box to check if it was in there when we left MC because it was so much smaller and lighter and a true 3 slot card vs the Astral and the Vanguard which is similar in size to the Astral. But the Jonsbo Z20 can fit all of them in a mATX SFF form factor. Well, depending on games especially with RT the 5080 can definitely provide a tangible uplift. Even if you wait for the Supers the 5080 and 5070ti aren't really getting a legit performance uplift just an increase in tdp which you can do on just about any 5080 flashing the astral vbios (sans 5080FE). Checking Newegg, the only 5080 they have with Black Friday price protection is the PNY 5080 which is already down to $999.99. This will probably drop to $899.99 or $849.99 for Black Friday so you would be refunded the difference from NE if you're looking to minimize your "cost to play" with something new and better. But I can completely see holding onto your 7900xtx which is nice and blocked up already running the Aqua vBIOS. As much as I loved that Astral, it had to go back for almost $3600 after tax. Waiting paid dividends and I snagged this Vanguard for $1971 open box and even that is a stupid amount of money for a GPU so I get the cost factor too but the uplift from your 7900xtx, especially in RT, would be massively substantial.

Yeah, the best bet might be to hang onto the 7900xtx unless you have a specific need you're targeting for upgrading outside a new fun toy. 9070xt, depending on use case, is a side grade at best as is a 5070ti. Anything worth the squeeze is going to be a 5080, 4090, 5090. 4090 and 5090 are very expensive. So as you've found it is all about the 5080. I'd still wait and watch sales heading into black friday. I've been tempted to pull the trigger on a few pieces including another 9070xt for my SFF build but I know there will be some decent sales coming up.

LOL, that would be the sane move. I think we should count our blessings we got in on the 5090s when prices were low. Your Zotac Solid OC is out of stock everywhere and the cheapest price atm is $3279.99+ on Amazon. Even open box used is going for $2612.... New base price on Newegg when in stock is back up to $2899.99 It is better but won't give you that massive upgrade uplift you like to experience true. With black friday specials starting to activate earlier and earlier now, keep an eye out for a good 5080 sale which is bound to happen or do as @Papusan suggests and hunt down a used 5080 on the $750-850 range depending on model. Which model(s) did you have in mind for the 5080?

5090 Stock is severely drying up and base prices are up These are all sold and shipped by vs BB and Egg having their "marketplace" BS. BB is new to the game but they need to have an option to tick "Sold and shipped by BB" as you have to now wade through everything to find which models are sold by them. MC has 4 models in stock. Cheapest = $2999.99 Egg has 4 models in stock. Cheapest = $2849.99 BB has 3 models in stock. Cheapest = $2999.99 Amazon is all over the map as always. Cheapest = $2649.99 (Master) I'm sure those Masters will sell out just like they did on BB. If anyone is in the market for a 5090 atm, sooner than later is at hand.... --- Memory prices are absolutely bonkers stupid right now. So glad I bought that backup set of Kingspec 8400 M die 2x24GB sticks in June on the recommendation of @Mr. Fox for $140. They're actually a hair better than my TG 2x24GB 8200 sticks I picked up in July 2024 for $278.99 which are now $329.99..... The Patriot 8200 sticks I bought and returned because they couldn't even do 8000 without erroring out on TM5 were $189.99 and now are $274.99. --------------------------------------- Just placed my order for the WireView Pro II. Only FedEx is available for S&H no DHL so this should be fun when it eventually ships..... I'll switch my wiring up then to bottom run cable versus the top/over style I use now since the Vanguard uses the normal clip (non reverse) WV2

There is definitely some user error in the equation along with inherent balancing issues. Luckily with something like the WireView Pro II we now have a proper tool just in case to monitor balancing AND it can handle higher loads along with a serious warranty. Once shipped, it definitely dims the light on the Astral a bit. AMD made a major mistake and damage control is in overdrive. The sad part is if the tech media and users hadn't responded so negatively they would have continued with this business as usual. They may change course but the destination is still set and that doesn't bode well. Like Steve said in the video, "I said earlier this year don't %*%*% up AMD!" That's all they had to do. They had the momentum and actually sold way more 9070xt/9070 cards than expected and had their best sales ever in quite awhile then proceed to make dumb mistakes like this.

This really makes you think with everything done right, and oodles of power slammed through the connection, it is just fine. I would say it is human error coupled with potential QC, but I also believe after the 4090, OEMs/AIBs definitely test their connectors under high stress conditions including MSI. I also still stand by the fact lighter colored connectors will show scorch marks much easier than black connectors and to see if a black connector is degrading you will need to either get it to a point of melting and/or have the actual pins scorched too. I would posit that there are probably equal parts black connectors scorched out there as there is lighter color connectors. You just can't detect it as easily with the naked eye. I do not subscribe to the "yellow tip disaster" theory quite yet. We are talking anecdotal meets the potentially lowest level of confidence. It just doesn't fly. I do subscribe to the "a very small segment of connectors in general burn but we just quite don't know why yet" theory which applies to both Nvidia and AMD cards that have adopted this connector and includes MSIs cables along with other ones. In that line of questioning and wondering about cable/tentacle QC, how many founders edition 5090s / RTX 6000 pros have burnt up using the supplied Nvidia adapter cable? You would think their adapters would be the gold standard in all of this....

At least AMD suffering the problem lets us know it is a spec issue and not an Nvidia GPU side issue but still.... Score another for a lighter colored connector showing clear and visible scorch marks..... The blessing and the curse is my closest MC is ~60min away in St Davids. Close enough to where if I really want to go it isn't that far away yet far enough away to keep me honest and not habitually dropping by "just to look" (translation: Coming home with new goodies more often than not). An hour is a medium sized commute. Very doable. Your poor wallet AND you get access to a newer store vs ours which opened in 1991.....

With the newfound relationship between Jensen and trump sky is the limit now for selling AI hardware so might as well re-direct those 5090s to the AI segment. AMD has zero answer for Nvidia this time around and next time is looking to potentially "match" the 5090 which is nice but what about the 6090? 5080 beats everything AMD has to offer, period. This makes sense too as 5090s are not only going back up in price but drying up at all the sellers atm from newegg to BB to amazon and even MC. St David's MC is down to only 4 models of 5090 in stock atm. I've never seen stock so low except during the initial launch drought. Cheapest model in stock atm is $3k Newegg only has 4 models in stock and cheapest is $2850 Best Buy actually has the most in stock, 9 models, and the cheapest available is the Aorus Master on sale actually for $2599.99. That's actually a decent price for a Master and actually in stock if you wanted to go big time @Raiderman Were they both 550w EVGA models or two different variants? I'd jettison the 7900xtx especially with the head games AMD is playing atm. I'm pretty disappointed in them and they're only back tracking because of consumer outrage but the damage is done. They can't stop kicking their own ass..... Like @Mr. Fox said, go for the cheapest model that has a block available you like if you're focused on the 5080. It does offer the best bang/buck if you can get one fairly cheap (IE MSRP) or a touch below. You could also wait for the Supers next year as @Papusan said, but in the here and now either: Go for the cheapest 5080 that has your block du jour or Go ham and grab a Master from best buy for $2600 There are several 16GB 5080 models available from several sellers for $999.99. I can't imagine paying 30-50% more for a Suprim

The crazy part to me is how they have disabled the powered USB-C port on 7900xt/x reference designs too. This was one of the primary reasons I was thinking of one to power an external 18-24" USB-C LCD display a few years ago. Imagine suddenly losing that to stay somewhat current with drivers on a card that is still being sold by many vendors including Best Buy? I know if I was a 6000 series card owner I would be pretty salty over de-prioritizing a card that was launched less than 5 years ago and being sold new as recent as three years ago and sooner....

I watched this earlier. I think I'm going to order one too. I really like the design, approach and refinements since the 1.0 variants. Much better than Ampinel and with a warranty that will extend to your card.

**Exactly** what I said was going to happen during the summer and by mid September low prices were going to bottom out and prices slowly start to rise so if you wanted a 5090, mid September was the time to snag one. Luckily everyone in this thread who wanted one has one by now. Anyone planning on two of them? @Mr. Fox maybe to replace his other 4090 eventually? 9070xt has definitely come down in price here in the US. $599.99 Reapers are routinely in stock. Taichi is back to MSRP and Sapphire Nitro+ is back to and routinely under MSRP.

The best thing to take from this is him lending to the idea of using the best CPU for the game at hand and that he is CPU agnostic and owns and uses them all from CPU to GPU. For some games, Intel is better. For others, X3D is god mode. This has always been the truth. Fallout 76 runs substantially faster on X3D than Intel. In certain places, gobsmackingly so.... I still think Intel handles the critical lows of WoW better than AMD but since the 9000 series, the dip/chunk is gone with X3D. I like owning a 9070xt and 5090 I like owning that SP109 14900KS and 9800X3D I *want* to own a 285k platform but the 275HX Alienware 18 will have to do for now I know if a nicely priced, well binned 285k popped up I'd probably do something stupid and buy it like an idiot. 🤣 Timestamped: -------------------- Overall, though, Jufus needs to understand there is "hardware enthusiast crowds" and "normal crowds" and most people (like 99% if I had to guess) are just going to go buy their laptops and desktops, plugged them in, install steam, epic, blizzard, MS, etc.... and play their games. They are never, ever going to get under the hood in any way, shape or form. They literally freeze up at the idea of updating their BIOS and will come to someone like us or take it to a Best Buy/MC of sorts for any type of problems or upgrades. This is why his attacks on HUB and other mainstream sources routinely do not make sense to me. This is also why his channel has been stuck at sub 40k subs forever growing at a snails pace. Not that it is a bad channel. I enjoy it. It is because his target audience is a tiny fraction of the audience that watches channels like HUB, JZ2C, LTT and more....

Another board repairer basically saying stay away from the 5090FE.....yikes I will say it again, 5090FE is the best "set and forget" compact design on the market that is perfect for ultra compact SFF builds. Outside of that? No thanks. If I was going to block a 5090 or building out a desktop, I would pick just about any other card priced close enough. But again as a SFF option? It is beautiful and perfect (outside of the extra bit of coil whine and electronics noise they tend to bring vs other models). I mean, it's like they read my mind!!!! 🤣 I mean, we are at the tail end of diminishing returns with a block and EVC2 so every bin up matters. But this is another case in point that voltage matters as you're able to goose the voltage up and just like that higher clocks and more power draw. I said it many months ago how much voltage matters for 5090s and in many scenarios even at the 600-650w point depending on card but some would argue against it but as has been shown over and over (and over) again, higher binned voltage cards are consistently rising to the top. You can push this to the extreme with an EVC2 and goosing the juice to let you pull even more power. Now you see many realizing this to the point depending on how the 6090 faires, looking forward to binning cards based on clocks AND vmax. Luckily, EVC2 exists so you can compensate for this if you're willing to tear down your card and solder one on along with might as well throw some shunts on it too. 🙂 (gets off pulpit) 🤣