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Obvi Zen 6..... 🤣 One thing we can always give AMD is socket longevity. Intel could learn a thing or two. Remember Skylake? Trying to lock out processors on the same socket with bumps to chipsets.....how the mighty have fallen (but clawing their way back with a vengeance) Hey, as long as you don't murder this chip this time around, it's a win win! 🤣

I managed to lay in a nice array of 500gb, 1tb and a few 2tb nvme drives, but I'm kicking myself for not jumping on a few 4tb drives last year. That was a good snag! You also managed to snag your 9070xt and 5070ti for damn good prices before the market went to poo too...... This is how I view it. I've locked down all the hardware I'm going to need to ride out this hardware Armageddon. If the 5090 wants to remain the top dog to 2028? I'm you're huckleberry. 🙂 Snagging a 1.125v Vanguard 5090 for $1971USD that turned out to be superior to both my Astral and Ventus and no coil whine is still the pinnacle of my hardware wins in a plethora of wins hunting down open box / refurb deals over the years. Getting to ride it into 2028? Priceless..... As for other hardware..... 9850X3D is a snoozefest. I'm not seeing the 9950X3D2 being anything magical unless they have somehow fixed that CCD0 to CCD1 latency issues for gaming. AM6 isn't launching till later this year or even early 2027 Novalake isn't launching till late 2026 or even early 2027 too Nvidia 6000 till 2028... AMD RDNA5 not till mid 2027 but I suspect late 2027 Intel basically cancelled their B770 so we don't know what they have planned for future desktop GPUs Basically team, settle in with your hardware and enjoy! There is nothing on my want list till Nova and potentially AM6 (I'm more excited for Nova than AM6 atm) and that's it..... 7600 is the threshold for >=6000 tier performance so you're good in that aspect especially being able to get those tight timings. Maybe dial in 6000 and 7600 and see which one gives you the better performance. While it isn't mind blowing on my end, 8000 dialed in > 6000 and 6400 dialed in across the board even if miniscule so I'm sticking with that. Just like there are Asus and Apple fan boys, there are Razer fan boys and you know some are going to buy this...... I'm a firm believer that someone's disposable income is theirs to buy whatever tickles their fancy, but I'm also silently judging hardcore based on my own biases and purchasing criteria 🤣 As with all things like this, I will seek out a Youtube video on it and live vicariously though that and I'm good....

Considering a corporation's primary mission is responsibility to stock holders and maximum profitability, I'm not shocked. China is a massive market with a gargantuan trade surplus with a voracious need for CPUs and GPUs as they continue to advance technologically. Match made in heaven. ------------------ As for Intel cancelling the 290k... Makes sense considering the 270k is basically a 285k and the 290k would just be a slightly binned 285k. 250k gets 4 more e-cores over the 245k New memory support for the 270k and 250k from 6400 to 7200..... I expect the 270k to come in priced right in between the 285k and 265k. Performance per value gets a nice bump. There is also the possibility Intel had yield issues with the 290k but that's pure speculation...

I don't blame Intel for cancelling B770 at this point of the current GPU cycle with skyrocketing memory prices for consumers and inflated costs for VRAM. I just don't think it is viable right now. I would also redirect short term efforts to suck up all the AI $$ they can while they continue to refine and make substantial gains in the mobile market both CPU and GPU wise and introduce a serious architecture advancement with Nova in the fall. I'm in total agreement with every decision Intel has recently made recently (which is rare) and I think they could be the dominant hand held and mobile laptop force this and next year. Tack on Nova and their own X3D along with serious gains in MT performance? Yeah, things are looking good for Intel IMHO. They're hungry again and clawing their way back with a vengeance. Ironically, it is AMD who is stagnating at the moment as @Mr. Fox video from Jay lets us know..... No surprise here..... Nvidia, AMD and Intel are going where the massive profits are and that is all things AI and all things data centers atm....they are behaving *exactly* as I would expect them to. Like I've said since the old forums, corporations are NOT your friend. It is a transactional scenario each and every time. They offer a product you want at a price you will pay. You buy it. End of story. Now it looks like the 6000 series could slip into 2028 Memory prices are rumored to have a significant bump sooner than later SSDs continue to rise.... https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-50-super-pushed-back-rtx-60-mass-production-could-move-to-2028 Right now, if you're in the market for GPUs, RAM or SSDs, (in that order), it is not a good time to buy. Better to stalk the used market or as noted before, get a Microcenter bundle if you need new hardware.

Cracks in Nvidia's armor starting to emerge.... "Exclusive: OpenAI is unsatisfied with some Nvidia chips and looking for alternatives, sources say" OpenAI wants to move to SRAM based inference (Like Apple uses FYI for their M architecture) and exploring alternatives... Google is already turning inward using their own custom designed chips.... AMD is starting to chip away at Nvidia's AI marketshare.... Microsoft questioning the profitability of AI..... I can smell that change in the air ever so slowly....

So I must have forgotten just HOW BAD AMD GPUs and to a slightly lesser extent Intel CPUs are for Fallout 76..... Also Intel is always behind that X3D cache...for now I was doing some of my standard static bench runs on the 265k + 9070xt and just going, "why is it so bad?" Problem is I've been playing Fallout76 the last 5 months on a 9800X3D + 5090..... I dug out all my old data from benching in the exact same spot reaching back to the 7900XTX and 13900KS/7800X3D and yeah, now I remember.... 7900xtx vs 4090: 9070xt vs 5090 (9800X3D unable to let 5090 hit anywhere near 100% Utilization or it would have been even more of a blood bath of ~155-160fps+): 7800X3D vs 13900KS w/ 4090: Ultra 7 is even worse as expected than that 13900KS. I wish I had a 5090 when I had my 14900KS as my main driver before switching to a 9800X3D. At least the blood bath wouldn't have been so bad. I might have to re-appropriate the wife's rig for some testing. Unlike her old EVGA DG-77 case, the Vanguard 5090 will fit quite nicely in her Antec Flux Pro. Just swap GPUs and swap in a test NVMe for a night of testing.....She has a 1000w Seasonic in there. Ultra 7 265k + 9070xt is literally the worst of both worlds. Weakest CPU and weakest GPU for FO76. Plays WoW rather nicely and smooth, but this initial Fallout 76 data is about in line as expected with this combo for FO76: Again, for the umpteenth time, if you are a serious Fallout 76 player, GPU has to be Nvidia and CPU has to me AMD X3D. I can't wait to test a Nova Lake chip with bllc (aka Intel X3D) onboard with Fallout 76....

Replacement PSU as finally arrived. This box is a chonker.....thank you MSI for the upgrade especially considering the original AI1300P was an open box Amazon Warehouse pickup for $144.55 to my door. Every (and I do mean EVERY) RMA I've ever had to deal with MSI has gone perfect. Only knock would be the turn around time which I could see being a problem if it is a critical component. If they had a cross shipping service for RMA parts (not sure if they do?), they would be near flawless. Time RMA generated to replacement/repair received is on par with others before. RMA Generated 1/8 Original PSU shipped 1/9 Marked Received by MSI 1/22 Out of stock and replacement agreement outreach 1/23 (Friday) Replacement shipped 1/26 (Monday) New unit received 2/2 I will continue to recommend MSI for many reasons one being their service and support. ------------------------------------------------------------ Testing out the lower 265k + Z890 AYW tuned up at 8000 rock solid with the Red Devil 9070xt and putting an open box Corsair SL1000 SFX PSU through its paces. I can see why the Corsair SL line of SFX PSUs are the goats. Very cool, quiet and the very thin, soft, properly measured modular cables makes this thing a class above the Lian Li and Coolmaster SFX models I've tested so far. I'll be using the Corsair in my own, personal SFX build outs moving forward.... What makes the Red Devil stand out is how quiet the fans are even under load. That along with very low coil whine makes this thing crazy quiet even running Timespy or testing WoW/FO76. Clocks were boosting max out of the box up to 3275mhz ~100-150mhz higher than the gaming 9070xt out of the box. It is also much quieter both coil whine and fans under load than the Gaming 9070xt but this is to be expected since the Red Devil has a much better heatsink. ~30k stock is about right for the three 9070xt's I've tested so far that were all 3x 8pin designs. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm no fan of AIBs overall, but they can only sell what Nvidia gives them and without the OPP program in place from Nvidia, you have the perfect storm of quantity + higher prices overall right from Nvidia. It is disingenuous to keep comparing AIB pricing to Nvidia MSRP pricing. The correct comparison will always been initial MSRP pricing of individual AIB model pricing versus their pricing now. With the lack of supply, I wouldn't be surprised if many of these limited edition cards are nearly impossible to get especially with small runs. 1000 Matrix cards? 1300 Lightning cards? That's nothing and they get snapped up pretty quick especially the Lightning cards. I had zero desire for a Matrix, but that Lightning is much more tempting but I still wouldn't drop $3k+ on a 5090. If you're in the market for a GPU right now? Whew, I don't know what to tell buyers. AMD is still the best value atm even with inflated prices. I'm not a huge fan of the Challenger 9070xt having owned one briefly. Compared to the Gaming 9070xt and Red Devil 9070xt, it felt light, cheap and only had 2x 8 pin leads and clocked much lower out of the box than the other two but bang:buck it is at this moment the best buy for $699.99 at MC and everywhere else it is now $719.99. When it was $569.99 at MC, that was just a killer deal......

5090's back in stock shipped and sold by Newegg reflecting the beginning of new pricing insanity incoming when they are stocked..... In their defense, Walmart is selling shipped and sold by Walmart the PNY EPIC 5090 for 4299.99 so this is the way things are going for 5090s..... MSI Liquid 5090 is also listed on MSI's site at $3699.99 too....

The most logical path considering they want that memory for AI which is much more lucrative but they can't just flat out put a full on "pause" on their consumer section but they sure can clamp it to a trickle... If there was ever a time for the 5070ti on down crowd to switch to AMD, it is now..... It is brutally cold (relatively speaking) for us right now coming off of that snow storm which just left everything frozen over. Right now it is a balmy 4f (~ -16c) here.... When I was younger, I loved the cold and looked forward to it. Now? I can see why people move to warmer, more even tempered states. Stock has either dried up and/or baseline prices are getting a bit slap happy. Lowest prices on part picker: PNY 5070ti = 969.35 Asus Prime 5080 = $1364.99 Gigabyte Aorus Stealth Ice 5090 = $3579.98 Gigabyte Gaming 9070xt = $719.99 So glad I snagged that Red Devil earlier this month for $683 ($879.98 on PPC) and Vanguard 5090 $1971 (Basically Unobtanium status) back in August from Microcenter. That Vengeance 2x24GB 9200 kit I managed to snag in December for $389 is now $969.99 I picked up a couple of Samsung 9100 Pro 1TB drives w/ heatsinks when I saw the writing on the wall for ~$149.99. They are now $229.99 Luckily, CPUs, Motherboards, cases, PSUs are suffering the most in the pricing downturn and their prices have stayed the same or fallen a tad. Anyone looking to build out in the US, Microcenter bundle deals are just crazy good value atm. CPU, Motherboard and DDR5 memory in many configs and priced fairly even before the Ramapocalypse.... I'm set for hardware now till Nova and even then I will just need a MB and CPU..... Good call not waffling..... Unfortunately the big players will take the hit on the books and pass it along to us in the long run. The Googles and Microsofts will just keep it moving. AMD will take a minor chip on the chin. Hardest hit will be AI focused entities and Nvidia. I look to the day Nvidia has to come to us on bent knee, hat in hand, tail firmly tucked between their legs asking for our forgiveness.... I will never use any Micron consumer products again even if they fire back up the Crucial brand post AIB (AI Bust).

There is no "one answer" here and what also applies is substandard wages and gross profiteering. The erosion of the middle class is alive and well. This is a byproduct thereof. I've had countless conversations with financial planners and debt lawyers and those in the trenches lean towards other factors than "personal planning or accountability." The world we live in today @Mr. Fox is financially a far cry than even 20 years ago let alone 40. "Picking one's self up by the bootstraps" and "self made" no longer generally apply like it did when we were young. With that being said, are there those who lack common and financial sense? Absolutely. I know quite a few including a few family and friends even but it is not the core of the problem. Remember, we do have plenty of these walking around:

Good on you brother! Nothing is as frustrating as "comfortably getting by." Just enough where life is comfortable, but not enough if something were to go sideways or you suddenly wanted to take a break or do something else but can't really afford to do that....cruise control has its pros and cons. Almost 2 out of every 3 people live paycheck to paycheck in America now. It's a somber reality. Here's wishing you all the luck and success in the world man....now go get it. 🙂 My dad used to tell us all the time, "You know the people who both lose and win the most at life still equally die right? Immortality is not in the prize pool."

@tps3443 up and sold off his 5090 for some real life adventures.... 😁 https://www.overclock.net/posts/29553159/ Fantastic price at that too!

Yeah, I just saw his for sale (now sold!) 5090 listing over on the OC forums. Congrats @tps3443 and good luck on your new adventure brother! Keep us in the loop with how it goes! This thread clearly transcends just computer hardware for us. 💙 You can always repurchase later or just wait till the 6000 series as priorities are elsewhere atm. That's just how life is sometimes. I remember selling off a large chunk of hardware several years ago for a new roof.

I feel like if cable makers really didn't cut corners it would at least put a nice dent into many of these problems. Watching that brand new Corsair cable be absolute trash was alarming from its loose fit to its readings. It seems like Cablemod learned their lesson that first time around and all the issues with 4090 cards and really came back with a high quality cable with a snug fit and good amperage distribution. Trash connector that needs perfect conditions to properly thrive Trash AIBs shaving pennies on quality adapters even to their own detriment Trash end users treating it like it is as robust as 8-pin and twisting and pulling it with reckless regard.... I DO think this connector is here to stay, but I do feel like with a few more refinements it will be declared "safe" lol, I tried to avoid that club! 🤣 lol, well I'm going to let you know it doesn't get any better in your 50's! 🤣 I turned the corner today and my fever finally broke after 4 days but I know this wet cough and general malaise is going to be with me for at least another week. Speedy recovery brother! -------------------------------- @Mr. Fox It's like we talked it up..... 3090ti vs 5090. 5090 is two generations newer and fully 66 to 133%+ faster than a 3090ti with a lot of that on the low end being an inability to fully utilize the 5090 even at 4k....it would be even worse with a 3090. 5090 is just a beast. I am glad we were able to get ours at a somewhat sane (in the realm of 5090s) price... --------------------------------- Zotac first out letting us know massive price hikes coming specifically to the 5060 and 5090 and kind of throwing Nvidia under the bus but they are the reason so.....yeah.....

More Sapphire Nitro+ burning issues yet the Taichi with the same 12v2x6 connector seems to be ok? One problem with the Sapphire is the rear back mounting which has no choice but to twist and bend the cable in all scenarios. It is unavoidable. Another is it is directly in the line of fire of exhausting heat..... https://videocardz.com/newz/sapphire-rx-9070-xt-nitro-adds-two-more-burned-blue-tipped-12v-2x6-adapter-reports-and-issues-with-rma