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Doing some quick and dirty DDR5 testing in my preferred spots in game for WoW and FO76 JEDEC 5600 vs 6400 vs 8000 on the 9800X3D with the newest BIOS and drivers... Take away? On X3D, WoW doesn't give a crap what speed you run your memory or settings at 4k Ultra.... Fallout on the other hand prefers 8000...... Tazevesh will even work over a 5090 no problem. FO is CPU bound horrifically just about everywhere on my Vanguard 5090 Small blip in the .01 on WoW 6400 tuned because of a player who ran through my capture but it is in line with FO76 placing. I will be sticking with 8000 from now on with AM5.... BBT took a swing at scaling DDR5 on Socket 1700 and 1851 (previously posted) for games and there are definite gains but nothing that's going to light the world on fire methinks. You will net the bulk of the gains by 8000 and then top it off 8000->9000. Looking at the results from my Q&D tests, that is about what I'm expecting even on the 265k....

HU talks to Asus and other makers who are actually on the front lines and reports production slowdowns or shutdowns Nvidia steps in for damage control Rinse repeat. 🤣 Nvidia isn't "letting" them have it. They would be prioritizing their most lucrative markets. Nvidia's potential product stack covers low, low mid and low high 5050 (barf), 5060 8GB, 5060ti 8GB, 5070, 5080. Seriously though, Nvidia will not lower prices on the 5080. That isn't logical. Nvidia goes where the money takes them. If VRAM is plentiful, more for everybody but with the real world constraints in place for VRAM, Nvidia will adjust accordingly and make sure their most profitable products get the VRAM and that is NOT the 5060ti 16GB or 5070ti but the 5080 and like I said, depending on future supply issues, even the 5080 will suffer from, ahem, a slow down in production or prices will go up (or both). "Discontinue" is maybe a bit harsh from HU, but drastically cut production to the point of discontinuation or sporadic allocations is feasible. 1% production is still technically still in production but...... 🤣 In other words, Nvidia is going to prioritize their most lucrative AI market and whatever happens to be left over will make its way to us consumers.... We knew GPU shortages were rumored in December contiuing on into the new year months ago and we're seeing it slowly happen Same with RAM prices. It was rumored back in early September and we saw it happen and continue to happen Even SSDs, SD cards and more are subject to the AI reality and market forces You literally have a memory company can their entire consumer division (which was profitable) to focus on the AI market As for the 5090, all reports from overseas is supply is dwindling and prices are going up. US just beat them to the final punch first being one of the largest consumer markets on the planet. Like I (and you) have noted, plenty of 9070xt's available but if supply dries up of Nvidia cards in those ranges, AMD may face a shortage too eventually just like with the CryptoPandemic years and Ampere where you couldn't keep either brand in stock..... 2026 is going to be a heck of a ride!!!

Welp, 9066 is it for the Asus Z890 Strix-A but that was what it was rated, so I can't complain on the Strix-A. 9200 it has all the classic signs of board fault just like the Apex at 8667+ being the culprit but this $176 Strix-A open box is a keeper. I am also impressed with the Vengeance 9200 sticks as they performed as advertised. Only thing is Asus boards (all three of them) do not like high tWR as spec'd in the Vengeance XMP profile. None of them would boot with the default 138. I am sure these didn't make the QVL..... Testing and passed 8800 G2 and 8933 G2 for now so I'm good. I'll end up falling back for the heck of it to push for G2 9066 but for now time to dial in and tune 8600 G2 and OC this SP83 265k to get it exactly where I want it before swapping it in to the main rig to run it as my daily in a real world scenario. Plan is to do that when my WV2 arrives and I upend up complete build with it along with install a dedicated case mounted 140mm fan over the DDR5. Still waiting on my first batch of MX-7 thermal paste to start rebuilding my thermal/LM collection.... still riding on a 150w air cooler with a single fan and ID-cooling thermal paste included with it atm.... --------------------------------------------------- 5090's sold out everywhere in the US now. I can't find a single MSRP model anywhere only overpriced scalpers hawking them on Amazon. One year removed from launch and here we go again.... Cheapest 5080 in stock is the $1280 Ventus on Amazon Cheapest 5070ti is $829 but $749 models do occasionally come into stock. If you want one, now is the time to grab one as it is the best bang:buck this generation if at or close to MSRP but it is on its way out. 5070's readily available and on sale in a few locations. MC has them for $499. Amazon has the Prime 5070 on sale for $539.99....expect these to dry up and prices to creep up or at least MSRP models go bye bye. Prices crept up a little, but 9070xt's are readily available. 5070ti , 5060ti 16GB EOL: 5070 12gb reduced supply but not EOL (for now)... Nvidia is basically abandoning the gamer market. Discontinuing all 16GB models except the 5080 and even it is in the crosshairs has they have scaled back production. 5090s are also on the chopping block to redirect all resources to AI. What 16GB they will offer will be in the 5080 to try to maximize profits and if it doesn't offer enough profitability, they will just either raise the price more or EOL it to redirect that memory to AI. Gamers are left with: 3060 12GB (rumored) 5060 8GB 5060ti 8GB 5070 12GB (which is in trouble) Scaled back 5080 and 5090 with both priced at $1300+ and 3500+ and climbing as Nvidia continues to re-direct supply to AI both dies and memory. ----------------------------------------------------------- This is AMD's moment quite honestly to gain market share. Hopefully they don't muck it up. Keep the 9070xt plentiful at a minimum as they will basically OWN the mid class of cards even if prices go up as the 9070xt competes with the 5070ti and approaches the 5080 in some benchmarks. They will most likely kill off the 9060xt 16GB but if they kept that model, they would dominate the low end too. You also have Steam coming in hot already with handhelds and now the Steammachine all based around AMD hardware. If there was ever a year for AMD to flip the script if even a little, this is the time!

I think the problem is you know one of the main stumbling blocks for pushing hardware is temps and having been to the mountaintop with a chiller, it is kind of hard to come back down to the inconsistencies of cooling that is much inferior but more important subject to ambient temps.... -------------------------------------------------------- @Talon No AL refresh till March/April.... https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-ultra-200k-plus-and-200hx-plus-arrow-lake-refresh-expected-in-march-april --------------------------------------------------------- Second 265k + Strix-A + Vengeance 9200 DDR5 9066 G4 @ 1.51v pass One reason more voltage than the rated 1.45v is XMP won't work with the profile tWR set to 138 which was outlandish and every single Asus board (AYW, Strix-A, Apex) refused to boot with that setting so I went ham with it down to 48. I will eventually work that back up and expect (in theory) for voltages to be a little more forgiving. Once I see where G4 tops out, I'll go back and start working up from 8800 (8667 already passed) in G2 on this second 265k

That first 265k was an SP77 (which isn't bad) but the IMC was atrocious. I just popped the second open box in with the much better IMC into the Strix-A and it is an SP83 It is also running cooler and pulling less than the SP77 even during TM5 runs.... Crazy how a 140mm fan with direct airflow down can make such a difference. Look at those temps. Without the fan, they pushed to 70+ where they eventually error out... Confirmed this Strix-A has no problems with 8800 while the Apex was bombing out with fans keeping the temps sane at even 8667..... Strix passed 8933 G4 w/ 1.49v on memory with the Vengeance sticks getting that full throttle 140mm fan love: Like I said, Apex was crashing out on even 8667. Welp, I gave the open box a try and worse case scenario is I have to return it for being defective so back it goes within the next week.... tl;dr first 265k and apex open boxes are dog water for my criteria... ----------------------------------------------------- MSI 5090 Lightning on LN2....

Initial test with Asus Z890 AYW and "new" open box 265k: Installed newest BIOS (one on board was from May 2025) Booted to G4 9200 no problem Has no problems doing 8667 G4 Testing the new open box 265k and unlike the old one, it booted right up at stock settings at 8667 G2 unlike the first open box 265k that wouldn't boot past 8200 auto and even pushing voltages up to ~1.45v couldn't do more than 8400. For 8400 to pass, the old 265k required 1.41/1.40. It flat out wouldn't post at 8600 no matter what you threw at it. New Open Box 265k passed G2 8667 on auto settings no problem: So far just testing on the Z890 AYW, new 265k will boot up to 8800 G2 on auto but no post at 8933 so I will give it some juice later but I'm moving the new 265k over to the Strix next as the Z890 AYW for $95 has more than met my expectations so far. For 99% of users, that first 265k will be absolutely fine and run their 6000-8200 memory just fine. But for my criteria it is a dud.

Funny but sad story.... I haven't done any CPU swaps all week so last night with the open box Asus Z890 AYW and new open box 265k, I first tore down the Apex and put it away (I am OCD and completely tear down and clean up and box up a current MB before using another) and after moving over the SSD, RAM and CPU cooler mounting I looked around for my big jar of thermal pastes. We're talking giant sized KPx, Gelid Extreme, new tube of Cryofuse still sealed, Duronaut, Conductonaut and more. Can't find it anywhere. Tear the place apart from front to back looking EVERYWHERE and all I keep thinking is, "I know I left it around the work table." I even went outside and dug around in the trash that went out thinking maybe I or the wife threw it out accidentally. Resigned myself to using a brand new syringe of Frozen 2 from EVGA from 5-6 years ago I found on the shelf except it is hard as a rock and unusable so out it goes. Ended up having to use the ID-Cooling syringe from the included air cooler. Asked my wife about it a bit ago. She had no idea. Finally, I reach up in the cabinet and pull down an identical jar (it was a walnut jar) and text it to her saying this is what it looked like and after about 30 min she texted to let me know I had left it on the front bench/nook where I sometimes work and she thought it was trash and tossed it out last week....🤣 Doing research, it seems the new MX-7 is a real contender so I ordered a couple of syringes of that to start rebuilding my collection. I never even got a chance to test the cryofuze as it was still brand new and sealed for future use in the jar. --------------------------- True. I remember us hoping blocking your Elite would tame the HS temps, but if you look at numerous reviews, the HS temps and variance within so many models is all over the place but always trends high. Still wish Nvidia did not remove HS monitoring with the 5000 series.... The market for hand helds and iGPU only laptops for size, weight and battery life is becoming the dominant factor in mobile computing. Which is fine.... But on desktop? I don't give a crap about any of that.

Another trip to Microcenter and another haul..... Returned the Nitro+ 9070xt still sealed to Amazon and opted to pick up a Red Devil 9070xt from MC. The three most powerful 9070xt's are the Taichi, Nitro+ and Red Devil and only one of them uses 3x 8-pin PCIe. Red devil has the beefiest phase design. Taichi has the most powerful amps. Rolled back the wife's drivers to 25.9.1 on her Gaming 9070xt and all her AMD Timeout errors have disappeared....fix (or at least stop breaking) your drivers AMD. While I was there, I scooped up yet another open box 265k for $205 after MC discount and couldn't turn down trying an Asus Z890 AYW motherboard for $95 open box after MC discount. 265k still is eligible for the free Intel game give away so now I have two codes. @Talon this Apex Z890 is a first gen release model and it is very unstable at 8667 let alone 8800 even with a fan running on the memory whereas the Strix is rock solid at 8667. I do plan on retesting the Strix with a fan on the memory and I suspect the Strix is going to be equal or greater than this particular Apex even at 8800. Could be an early release dud with poor traces for higher memory stability. I will most likely be returning it next week unless something changes. Irony would be if the $95 Asus Z890 AYW was better than both..... 🤣

In for a penny, in for a pound eh @Reciever? 🤜 Very nice! You really embraced water cooling nicely....I wouldn't be surprised to see a chiller on premises in the near future at this rate.... 😁

Lol, nothing worse than multiple teardowns trying to fix cooling issues, but it all ended up great and it makes you wonder what thermal pads Asus is using..... What thermal compound are you using on the GPU Core? Nova Lake looks so good. Hopefully they stick to their "late 2026" launch and don't drag it into 2027.

Suddenly getting random shutdowns on the Z890 Apex during memory or CPU stress tests. Even at JEDEC / Stock. Culprit? MSI Ai1300P PSU. I had swapped it in when I switched to the APEX from the Coolmaster V850 SFX I had on the table from ITX testing and subsequently had used with the Z890 Strix. Swapped back to the CoolMaster and all the shutdowns went away. Swapped back to the MSI, shutdowns returned. Incoming RMA..... This is the same PSU I picked up open box for $142.99 back in May 2024 along with @Talon --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is the industry seriously shocked no one wants AI? A solution looking for a generalized problem. In pockets, it has its value, but overall? Once the bean counters realize it isn't anywhere near as profitable as they hoped, the bubble will burst and Nvidia and AMD will come crashing back down to reality. First thing I do after every install and update is review add/remove and jettison anything M$ decided to add I originally did not want. One of those is OneDrive. It is literally the first thing I uninstall on first boot to the desktop.

Holy moly.... Those Corsair Vengeance 9200 2x24GB I was able to get for $390 while they were $790 are now $970 direct from Corsair.... wth? -------------------------------------------------- Yeah, trying to push higher and heat is my main enemy now. They hit 70c+ and things get very precarious with these heatsinks especially on the Vengeance 9200. Anything 8800+ even with lower tREFI is pushing the temps 60 70c+. I will be pulling out a case fan to put on top for some more testing sooner than later at this point. Apex does come with a ram heat fan thingy though so that's something.... You could always pick up a dirt cheap 265k and a board to play around with. I'm going to assume you have DDR5 on the shelf and didn't sell it off with your 1700 rig. --------------------------------------------------------- Well, while you're there on Asus's website, you might as well click the notify me on the Matrix 5090 'cause I know you want one @Papusan 🤣 CES was just AI fest. My favorite was Jufus's take of AMD's booth:

@tps3443 on a whim I asked AI "sample ddr5 8800 timings" as I compare these three sets and their XMP profiles vs my spelunking 8800->9200 for shiggles and guess who popped up in the search? Yep, YOU brother! 😁 ----------------------------------------------------------------- I guess PSU makers now realize this connector is here to stay and it makes sense to add protection mechanisms AND provide another reason for consumers to purchase yet another PSU.....$$$ As for the Matrix, I said it on launch day it was available on the US Asus website for pre-order for well over 6hrs as I kept checking and it finally went out of stock so it wasn't like they sold out in a flash here because consumers realized the $4k cost was insane for that. I had it in my basket and at the "click to order" state each time to verify. Still wondering what the MSI Lightning Z is going to clock in at...... ---------------------------------------------------------- Rubin slated for second half of 2027 which is inline with adjusting back to a fall release cycle IMHO so almost three years between cycles..... ------------------------------------- 5090 prices are trending up hardcore. All sellers are mainly out of stock. Expect future restocks to be priced accordingly..... Amazon SHIPPED and SOLD BY Astrals are now $4199.99! Price hikes are incoming....

Asus Z890 Apex arrived a day early. Brand new Box damage Had the original launch (August 2024) 503 BIOS on it .....here's hoping to a decent board or back it goes.... Flashing it to the newest BIOS as I type then off to the races. I already boxed up the Z890 Strix but for a board that tops out at 8667, it isn't bad especially for the price but still Asus advertised it as supporting 9066 memory... If my pictures look different, I recently switched from using my iphone to a shiny new Canon Powershot V1, so I'm still getting the hang of it while I make the transition from my iphone to it and a GoPro Max 2 for all my shooting adventures going forward. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tiny, finicky, connector + users treating it like a dodge ball = recipe for failure. More failures of course for the dodge ball players. Definitely can't wait to get mine if not for the D2D warranty than real external hardware pin monitoring. It really does remove the last useful thing from the Astral. The auto shut off is a nice peace of mind functionality and the beta software is only going to get better. I am very curious to see how the MSI yellow dragon flame edition is actually balanced....

Sheesh, normal OC mode = 800w, Extreme OC mode = 1000w and that is normal. 40 phase design dual 12v2x6 connectors and I LOVE the AIO design...but if it is anything like the MSI 5090 liquid, that means it may have issues flashing other vbios 1300 units limited run. I am sure the price is going to be insane... I would take this over the Matrix anyday of the week though. https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-launches-geforce-rtx-5090-lightning-z-worlds-first-gpu-beyond-1000w --------------------- Let the fun times begin!!