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Glad you held onto a 5090....with the market as is, selling your 5090 right now is basically saying the cash is worth more and I'm fine running lower tier cards for the next 12-18 months.... So glad I snagged that open box 5080 back in July for $983 all for an SFF build that is still sitting on the table in boxes/pieces lol...... 5080s officially going for 5090 launch MSRP pricing was not on my bucket list of "Tech F#@*ery" almost 2 years removed from Blackwell consumer launch..... Microcenter 5080s.... Fun fact. A few months ago, the Gigabyte Windforce SFF had 25+ in stock and then they shot up to $2k and they are also out of stock.... 5080 Cards drying up at MC rapidly.... Newegg sold and shipped 5080s completely out of stock except for the GB 5080 Infinity for $2149.99 which I expect will be gone soon.... Best Buy has *1* PNY 5080 model in stock for $1999.99 MSI has the Suprim 5080 Liquid in stock on their website for $1999.99 So 5080 16GB looks to be ramping down if not flat out discontinued....sorry, but that means the 5080 24GGB is right around the corner, right? Well, apparently Nvidia hasn't even provided designer kits to AIBs to get their designs in place for launch making even a January launch looking to be in doubt.... This does not bode well for the 5080 24GB model............ 5080 already basically removed from Nvidia's website for purchase/redirect like the 5090.... --------------------------------------------------- This happened to the 5090 in the EU and your neck of the woods @Papusan when prices shot up and stock started to disappear here. You had a small cross over window of availability still, but eventually your supply of 5090s dried up. I suspect this is what's going to happen with your 5080s too. While Jensen continues to ravage dies from the consumer market to wring out every bit of inflated $$$ he can extract from the AI sector, gamers really need to weather the storm with their current hardware or seriously start to consider AMD especially if Jensen goes after the 5070ti dies next......

Happy anniversary @Mr. Fox! 40 years is an amazing achievement! Hopefully we'll be tossing out congrats for your 50th! Maybe via a neural link...... 😁 Decent besides that AI voice over (Irony!)... So much pressure on Nvidia in line with OpenAI. They now have competitors coming for them from all sides with China and Google in housing their own chip designs now and companies, like Apple, opting to train on Google chips instead of Nvidia hardware for their AI along with others. OpenAI has lost almost 50% of its market share in 4 years as competition heats up. As for Nvidia.... Their strong handed tactics really reek of Intel back in the day with smaller companies. The forced outlay (channel stuffing) has to hit a logical wall and I feel like Nvidia is burning the candle at both ends. AMD is furiously coming on strong too along with Intel and Apple integrating neural processing in their CPUs. Now we have the DOJ investigating Nvidia's "no acquisition" acquisitions Either Nvidia is humbled by a thousand cuts and/or we will end up with some ASIC approaches to LLM and inference that will render the need for Nvidia GPUs null and void aka the cryptoboom. For us lowly end users, the key is finding the optimal moment to dump our 5080s and 5090s for max valuation if that is in play. The scariest part is Nvidia guaranteeing inventory valuation for lending and selling GPUs. That could mean they need to extend the life, and value, of the GB20X chips. It adds another reason to not rush the 6000 series to market anytime soon to combat any potential devaluation. Imagine being a company neck deep in Blackwell hardware sitting in the warehouse from channel stuffing waiting to be deployed when the grid allows it and now here comes the 6000 series.... Just don't confuse the bubble popping with AI going away. AI is here to stay and so many viable uses in real world scenarios; it is the future.

x870e Hero shipped off for RMA finally to get a model with a non defective LCD ROG display... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A bit disingenuous in comparison, but Nova looks to potentially be a monster gaming chip with up to 33% gains over Arrow Lake and works at 8000 right out of the box but comparing it to a 285k capped at 250w and 6400 memory vs a 270k running 8000+ knocks a little of the glow off this comparison.... https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-nova-lake-s-28c-with-ddr5-8000-projected-to-deliver-16-to-33-higher-gaming-performance-than-core-ultra-9-285k-with-ddr5-6400 Can't wait to see @Talon's Day 1 impressions! 🤣 Did you hold onto any of your 5090s? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5080 pricing is getting slap happy as supply dries up as Nvidia is rumored to be gearing up the 5080 24GB (in theory)..... GB SFF 5080, which was a $999 MSRP model (and myself and @Mr. Fox snagged at great pricing) is now $1979.99 "on sale" at Microcenter rapidly going out of stock and not available elsewhere. Normal price is $2379.99. Cheapest 5080 overall actually available is the PNY 5080 is $2199.99 (IE PCPP, click through on available model and it is actually available) from BH.... Nvidia delists the 5080 from their own marketplace (following the previous 5090 delisting) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The bubble is real.....the seams are bursting.... When this adjusts down, it is going to be brutal.... Jensen's current model is unsustainable and instead of balancing and feeding both spectrums properly, he has pushed for maximum output, FOMO and channel stuffing to where companies are sitting on billions of dollars of unrealized hardware deployment, circular financing and this WILL pop..... Is AI here to stay? Absolutely and I am a proponent of it but this sell through model does not have long term viability.

Gigabyte and Asus raising prices of the 5080..... Prices on the rise again....Microcenter Edition Cheapest 5060ti 16GB is now $739.99 Cheapest 5070 is now $769.99 Cheapest 5070ti is now $1159.99 Cheapest 5080 is now $1779.99 5090 is vapourware atm but my Microcenter does still have a singular Asus 20th anniversary kit in stock for $11k+ after tax (More below) Microcenter does have the best overall prices on Nvidia cards across the stack compared to PCPP of cards actually in stock.... Asus has the 5090 Astral (all three editions white, black and LC) in stock on their site for $5500, $5600 and $5700 respectively but it's a sham. It is part of a bundle deal you have to order with a slew of their other items coming out to $9107+....at that point, I'd just pony up for the 20th anniversary edition....which means never. After that, cheapest third party 5090 available is $8599.99 on Amazon for the GB Aorus Infinity Edition... ---------- Cheapest 9060xt is $799.99 ($589.99 on PCPP) Cheapest 9070 is $719.99 ($699.99 on PCPP) Cheapest 9070xt is "on sale" Steel Legend for $799.99 (normally $899.99) ($829.99 on PCPP) One of the few rare times MC has the worse pricing across the board for AMD cards for normal pricing.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @Papusan look at this 5090 "conversion factory" just sucking up any and all 5090s and converting them for rack AI deployment....can't blame Nvidia for capping that cheaper source of 5090s and funneling that $$$ into their own pocket instead....right? https://videocardz.com/newz/heres-where-the-last-rtx-5090-cards-are-going-massive-ai-conversion-factory-exposed-in-china-founders-edition-included By the new year, if not sooner, I expect them to be offering $6k+ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Galax HOF 5080 with dual 12vhpwr connectors but only one or the other alternative mode? But swarovski crystals and a $3k price makes it perfect?! Ewwww, I'm good.... https://videocardz.com/newz/galax-launches-worlds-first-rtx-5080-with-dual-12v-2x6-connectors-costs-3000 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Like I said, locally buyers will come to your place or meet up locally, have rigs to test your 5090 and hand you a fat stack of $5500 to buy your 5090. They used to do Zelle, but methinks that is a bit too traceable..... One of my Fallout 76 buddies who lives up on the other side of Philly caved and sold his Founders Edition for $5700 locally to someone who actually wanted it for their own use (in theory). I think I mentioned him last year when I got to experience his coil whine first hand. He got in on the VPA program with Nvidia summer of 2025 and snagged it but he needed the $$$ and replaced it with an open box Reaper 9070xt for $679.99 (~$634.99 after MC discount) so when all was said and done he netted a ~$3k profit even after the 9070xt pickup and more importantly the $5k he applied to some bills overall. We were playing and I asked him how was the downgrade on his 9800X3D system and after struggling for a few days at 4k max settings (over chat all I kept hearing was 'sheesh this SUCKS....CHUNKEEEEE!') he admitted defeat and dropped down to 1440p and swapped his 32" 4k display for his secondary 27" 1440p display. In his words, "this sucks, but it is what it is..." 🤣 He has a 2x32GB of G.Skill kit (I think it is F5-6000J2636H48GX2-TZ5NR) I know he picked up before the ramapocalyse that he is going to sell as soon as he can land a "6000 anything 2x16GB kit for sub $300."

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We've seen the "barely off the line and onto the pallets for direct sale," song and dance before with both Cryptodemics we went through....no middle man just pure profit for the AIBs. I never thought the 5090 was discontinued. They've just redirected them to the AI market prioritizing that profit sector especially considering 5090s were being ripped apart and sent to China for AI deployment and I am sure elsewhere too. We just tend to narrow focus on China considering its economic and technological importance in the world. I posted earlier about not being a discontinuation and poking fun at Jensen: ---------------------------------------------------------------- New 7500X3D back from RMA working exactly like it should on the $237.50 after MC CC use 7500X3D + Asrock B850m bundle deal from Microcenter tested with the TG 2x8200 24GB sticks..... Refund already issued for the returned Noctua 420mm. I have the H9 Flow 2025 Edition here but right now all the components are installed still in the Phanteks but it will have to move seeing as I have no room to install the RAM cooling in the Phanteks due to its design with the Lian Li Lite 360 installed up top.... This is with the aRGB of the Lian Li not even connected...lots of default I'll need to address with OpenRGB or something similar to rein in the "Carebear Stare!" status once moved but hardware wise this is final boss form for the H9 Flow 2025 case change incoming....

I've often said, and ended posts here, with being thankful to even be in the position to have the ability to purchase and play with some of these toys and high tech items. I have a nice pile of hardware amassed. Only thing I'm on the lookout for atm is a decently priced set of the G.Skill 6000 CL26 1.40 sticks. I could use a few more NVME drives too but overall I'm good. After the shutdown and demise of NBR, @Reciever and @Hiew picking up the reins and running with it with NBT really let us carve out our corner again and just let it flow. I always like it when a long time member from yore discovers NBT and pokes their head in to say hi! And yeah, the WVPII is definitely a blessing on my 5090 which some say could rise to $10k in the new year as supply dries up. I have yet to have my cable deviate or yell at me yet (I'm running the MSI yellow cable included with the MEG 1600T), but I've got it locked down. 🙂

Microcenter officially no longer carries the 5090 as every card with no remaining stock still lingering is now marked as, "No Longer carried." Only card left in stock anywhere for 5090 in Microcenters is the Asus $11k+ after tax bundle and only two of my five localish (~45-100mi away) have 1 in stock each. Why are they still there? Most likely because third party sellers have other models for sale for $4k cheaper.....I'm sure they will eventually move..... Just about every model of 5080 in stock but cheapest price is the $1699 (on sale for $1669) GB WF SFF 5080. Same for the 5070ti but the cheapest model is the Ventus for $1199 on sale for $1149... Newegg is completely wiped out of 5090s as is Amazon and Best Buy. All we have are third party sellers with the lowest price being ~$7k for a Windforce 5090. Only 7 models of 5080s in stock on Newegg with the cheapest being the PNY for $1699.99. Cheapest 5070ti is the $1179 Eagle.... Ugh -------------- I received an email from BHPhoto today informing me the Gigabyte 9070xt Gaming is discontinued. I forgot I had it on my "inform me when in stock," from eons ago. We'll see where that goes.... Cheapest 9070xt is the $800 Reaper and prices are rumored to be going up again.... Certain cards can't be found stateside (GB Aorus Elite and PowerColor 9070xt Red Devil are two examples) as most likely AIBs are going to start consolidating which cards to carry based on profitability. Smart move is to offer lower tier cards at inflated prices to weather the price storm rather than have more expensive models get too close to 5070ti pricing and potentially rot in this PC gaming market downturn, but again, we will see.... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I said it before and I'll say it again... 270k is an absolute banger and price:performance it is a monster. Toss in Microcenter bundle deals and it gets crazy.... ----------------------------------------------------------- No thanks. Picked up my on hold at Best Buy H9 Flow 2025 Edition yesterday for $109.99 that checks all my boxes especially with my army of P14 Arctic 140mm fans. I think I have at least 12 of them strewn about for my build out..... I had $90 in rewards sitting in my account from when our TV decided to fail earlier this year and we needed a new one so final price was $21.38 He was mostly disappointed in the assembly frustration and MSI trying to be "fancy" and causing access issues and usability. Beautiful to look at but pricey, frustrating to build in and hard to access features once built. I can't imagine dropping $800 on a case. Then again I never imagined dropping $2k on a GPU so who knows in the future?! 🤑

I've been running the 9070xt and then the 5080 for over a week now as I slowly test and certified the Dark Hero "ready for deployment," and moved it into the Phanteks so I've kind of got used to playing WoW and Fallout on the Dark Hero with the 9850X3D running at 5600+ with the Corsair Vengeance 9200 sticks tuned to 8000. The overall setup is basically a tighter, slightly faster refinement over my Hero + 9800X3D + TG 8200 sticks on all levels. I do like how the Dark Hero drops the primary GPU slot down another notch. It really centers the GPU in a nice way depending on case or gets it even closer to bottom fans for stronger air flow which will be the case when all this moves into the H9 Flow Then I slapped the 5090 back in there yesterday and was quickly brought back to reality just how much better it is overall in every way.... I'm also running the Lian Li 360 Lite now after having run the Noctua 420 for several days. The Lian Li actually fits up top on the Phanteks and after adjusting the pump curve (same as I had to do with Noctua) it is running just as quiet. Fans aren't as quiet but quiet enough. Continued testing back and forth and the Lian Li runs just as cool as the Noctua and both trounce all my other AIOs so I'm going to send back the Noctua as it isn't worth the $300 vs the $85 Lian Li with AM5 at least. I do need to set up an RMA with Asus to replace my x870e Hero due to the flickering/dying RGB logo panel. Doesn't affect the board at all, but for resell it will put a dent in its value for those who care. 19 months of solid service handling 8000+ like a boss.... ----------------------------- Yeah, the sudden lack of 5090s on the shelf and price spike followed by the leak from a factory. Classic Jensen. Trust me, Jensen will continue to pillage the consumer sector to feed the AI segment as the GB203 full fat die is already used in the RTX 4500 with 32GB of memory. If that card was in greater demand on the level of GB202 cards, Jensen would have no problems gobbling up those dies. If Nvidia suddenly introduced let's say a RTX 4600 with the GB203 and 64GB of memory for $7500 and it became a smash hit being sucked up like the 090 / 6000 cards, 5080s would suddenly shoot to 2000+ to start if not more and stock would start to dwindle fast. ------------------------------------ 5080 24gb rumored for January as 5080 is discontinued and the 5090 goes through an "allocation change" vs a flat out discontinuation which makes sense in case the AI bubble collapses they can just go, "Hey AIBs! Look! GB202's are back!! Kiss the ring!" https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rtx-5080-24gb-reportedly-launching-in-q1-2027-board-partners-still-waiting-for-details

Personally, I think prices are going to go higher. 5090s will now dry up everywhere and be hoarded for personal use or those who reach a, "I can't say no," offer will sell theirs off for what will most likely be AI deployment either domestic or abroad. Locally, there are a few buyers openly offering $5500 cash for any and all 5090s. They will come to you, test your card, hand you a fat stack and carry on. When they say, "Any brand, as long as it is working we pay $5500," you have a pretty good idea of where those cards are going.... Pricing will be fractionally in sync with the RTX 5500 and as eventually GB202 5090 dies are limited, even the RTX 5500 will go up in price along with the 5090s still out there. Basically, as long as purchasing and converting a 5090 into an AI card makes financial sense / profitable, pricing will continue to trend upward. Luckily, I have this sub $1k 5080 and 2x 9070xt (one being in the wife's system) cards so if the right offer suddenly appeared, I can't see myself turning down $7k but not till next year at the earliest and probably summertime at that. You also have to think that this EOL is fresh and brand new and whatever stock is out there is going to evaporate quickly and then the second hand market turns into a resource strapped buy/sell with prices trending up. Like I said above, I'm still holding onto mine for a few reasons and one of them being I expect prices to trend up a bit more before leveling off in relation to the RTX 5500 pricing. I'm still playing on the 9850X3D + 5080 config atm as I've been too busy/lazy to break down the current test setups and start the transition to final boss form. The performance hit is real in WoW. I'm not used to seeing full utilization and sitting under 100fps quite often but for the right $$$ I could live with it but it has to be a price point that is high enough to override going years with a significant and noticeable performance drop. $6k which would be a $4k profit won't make or break me in any which way, shape or form and I don't need the money, so is it worth the loss of superior performance for the next year+? I still get aggravated when buyers get salty over pricing. I've come to realize they fully understand current market conditions. They are just hoping to sob story / brow beat you into giving them yesteryear level pricing....

I was out of town for NYCC, so I just got a chance to watch this. I liked what I saw. He's coming into it with rested, fresh eyes and open to BTF and other changes. That's a good thing. He isn't jaded. You KNOW those parts are binned AF especially with his buddy Shamino working there. I am sure that 9950x, 270k and Astral 5090 BTF are gonna RIP. Cardboard boxed MBs including 2x AMD and 1x Intel. Asus basically sent him $10k worth of hardware and you know what? I'm ok with it. Dude is a legend and I'm glad he's come back home. Oh they most certainly will except as much pricier AI cards. 5090 resell values will be directly tied to the pricing of GB202 formerly 5090 die cards so they will plateau around $6k-$7k unless prices continue to rise for the AI 5090 aka RTX 5500 which is estimated to cost ~$9200 with 84GB of memory but I suspect it will go for more and rise quickly and 5090s could eventually hit ~$8k. Eventually 5090s even on the second hand market will evaporate as they are snatched up for AI. If they start to resell for $7k+ by next year, there is a very strong chance I will let mine go but we will see in the moment. Either way, the 5080 GB203 is fully tapped out so the only way to see a true xx80TI card would have to be an even more cut down GB202 but with the way AI is snatching up everything, that ~15k core count card would probably be paired with 64GB of memory and sold as yet another AI product at this rate. Ironically, it is the limitations of the grid that could be one of the factors that slows down the onslaught of AI. It will hit a wall either through lack of buildout resources, debt fatigue, failure on ROI or all of thee above. Bad enough when they would message you telling you "a friend" had what you were looking for and to email them at *****@*****.tld, but now they're trying to use the old phishing approach of making names appear as close as possible in messaging. Definitely going to snag that. The amount of adjustability and features being unlocked recently is awesome. Everyone checking their ASIC scores? 🤣 I suspect they did it because the GB203 in the 5080 is full fat and to offer a 5080 Super in the future could only be a power bump so they went ultra conservative with its power profile. Of course if current rumors are true and they discontinue consumer level 5080 and 5090 models and only offer a 5090 24GB model, it will suddenly be a 600w capable unit too.....thank you Jensen....

And it starts....as predicted 5090 discontinued 5080 16gb discontinued Incoming 5080 24GB as the new flagship gaming card... I would not be surprised to see it for $1499.99 moving forward... Get ready for the 6080 24GB as our new "flagship", no 6090 and needing to spend blackwell pro levels of $$$ for what would have been 6090 performance bump but Nvidia putting all gaming "gains" behind DLSS and FG.... "According to a notification from the factory, Nvidia will no longer manufacture any RTX 5090 models, including the D variants," a message cited by @hongxing2020 reads. "Going forward, the highest-end GeForce graphics card will be the RTX 5080 24GB, while the RTX 5080 16GB version will be discontinued. Please spread the word." With the rumors showing AMD bringing the heat next gen, I have no problems moving back to AMD for, oh what would it be now, the 5th time over the last 10+ generational leaps since 2000? Pretty disgusting if this pans out.... New eventual product stack at this rate till 2028: 5080 24gb 5070ti 16gb 5070 12gb 5060ti 8gb 5060 8gb 5050 8gb

I get this way too with wallpapers. The motherboard is the conduit to all and if it is system themed wallpaper, it has to be to that AIB. I am also open to mash ups...like I'm running an Asus MB but with an MSI GPU...that's worthy of a mash up.

So I'm in need of a Windows 11 Pro key. Has anyone used gvgmall or ggkeys to purchase a super cheap one? I won't script auto activate, but I'm sure as heck not paying retail off the shelf prices either.... ------------------------------------------------------ Current rig is in "ghetto" mode with the 5080 and X870E Dark Hero running on the Noctua 420mm in the soon to be departed Phanteks. I ordered an NZXT H9 Flow to replace it from best buy on sale for $109.99. The Phanteks has no room up top to seriously mount anything 420 and 360 blocks access to the top part of the MB along with the case being so wide/long that any AIO that needs to front mount has to have longer tubes. Noctua and Lian Li both have too short of tubes to reach. It could use more room in the back too. I've used it for 5yrs and 8 months. It has earned a worthy retirement. I've been testing the Noctua 420mm against several AIOs I have on hand (Yes, I have a problem): Lian Li Lite 360 Lian Li Galahad Performance Arctic LF II 420 ID Cooling Frostflow 280 (hottest of the AIO lot) Arctic LF III 360 Performance (mid 70s...this was disappointing) eK Nucleus 240 Asus Prime LC 360 Trofeo Vision 360 Paladin EX400 Air Cooler Stock AM5 OEM cooler (Insta throttle for shiggles) All with a center dot of KPX Tested on AM5 9850X3D delidded Pure stock (~150w-160w max load) Final verdict? Noctua beats every other AIO from 4c to 10c EXCEPT the $85 Lian Li Lite 360 ARGB which tied with it at ~66.5c. I think I mentioned before the Lian Li Lite 360 was getting best in class temps in testing last year and rave reviews. Downsize is the pump noise but tuning the curve in BIOS to 50% took care of that when not under high load. Don't let the Noctua fool you. That pump is loud. It has three manual selections on the pump high balanced and quiet and only quiet truly made it near inaudible. The other two it is very easy to hear. Fans it is no contest. Noctua is crazy quiet under load vs the Lian Li, but at low loads both are quiet. Difference is the Noctua is near dead quiet. The secret sauce to Noctua are those fans. Under load, the Lian Li fans are definitely front and center. Not a deal breaker but under load the Noctua fan noise level is that of many AIOs at idle. I'm going to switch to the Lian Li Lite 360 for a few days and see how it fares for normal D2D usage vs the Noctua. If I like what I see, I'll probably return the Noctua but we'll see....

I love my PC hobby, but I've been Mac and iphone as my core setup for years now for work along with an iPad. With all the cross platform tools, there's a reason many of the big houses now deploy Macbooks for dev work. I agree with @Mr. Fox on this one @Papusan. You have to attack the problem on all levels and the reason Microcenter implements a one per household / ID checked policy on many products IS to prevent scalpers and also in this case straw buyers and agents from buying up 5090 products and just either finding a way to sell/ship them as is or ripping the cores and memory off the board and shipping them that way. This isn't much tighter than their valid ID on file / One GPU per month quota they had during the Pandemicryptoboom. It is also why Microcenter routinely has items in stock while you can't find them any place else online because bots don't work when you can only reserve items online for pickup and then have to eventually enter the store front to purchase and pick up in person. In short, on any level, any potential scalper/straw buyer/agent that is turned away by this new requirement opening up even one unit for a legit customer is a win. I agree the main culprits are the corporations and big AIBs/resellers, but would you rather scalpers and straw buyers be able to walk in and just buy out everything they want? Toss out the baby with the bathwater? Trust me, if Microcenter decided to go all Newegg/Amazon and just volume sell online, their stores would be even barer than they are now for many products. $7k desktops anyone? It is the one thing still hanging on atm for 5090s..... As for the 5070, at MSRP to me it was one of the sweet spot cards I called around launch. Yeah for a bit there it was running like dogwater.... I just load it up and go get something to drink... 🤣 I usually don't complain. I know you guys are all over it when you get time. Ruh Roh! You tend to keep things in threes.... This means either one of the Apex's is on its way out or you're heading towards being done with AM5 before Nova drops 🤣 Looks nice! Again, I was tempted to snap it up but I've yet shockingly found myself with a pile of hardware again that I will have to wait till January to downsize. I'm on the cusp of kicking myself up into another tax bracket because of this year and I definitely don't need that.... Or I am going to have to go the local/FB/CL route which I haven't done in a bit to offload some gear.