electrosoft

About time! Looking forward to the results. Intel CEO is accepting real world realities. The fact is their fabs and semiconductor standing has fallen so far behind and financially they are in such dire straits that they can not commit the time or resources attacking that AND trying to compete IP wise. AMD realized this years ago and sold off their fabs and focused on IP advancements and using superior fabs to deliver their products and it paid off big time. There is a reason the US is trying to get TSMC fully integrated in the states. It not only puts the premiere fabs state side but also ties us directly to Taiwan while China continues to threaten a take over. Intel brought much of this on themselves not innovating but instead extending and milking product lines like they did for decades until AMD caught up and surpassed them in many ways. Throw in 13th/14th gen woes and it just worsened. Intel has to figure out a way to continue to innovate CPU wise, regain trust and push hard in their GPU department because that is one area they are doing very well. ------------ As for Jensen, like many corporations, he's all about the $$$ and appeasing shareholders. If the US government hadn't started to force corporations to look elsewhere, these corporations would keep on with business as usual to maximize profits using China's cheap labor to the detriment of the US and the world. I'm not saying the last 3 presidential cycles were the best in the US (people keep ignoring the fact Biden was also extending and enhancing the trump 45 policies on China), but one thing across both political parties was consistent and that was checking China. I still do wish that trump was a bit more reserved and pragmatic in his second term approach to tariffs and world economics and focused primarily on China first then rolled out the next phase a bit more structured. ------------------ As for AI, anybody with a few firing synapses could see the writing on the wall with AI workplace replacement. It is the ultimate production tool both white collar and blue collar workers. Automation on a sweeping scale but we will reach a tipping point where that automation will cause humans the inability to properly participate in the economy....then what? Intel is where Nvidia was at the start. All open arms and welcoming anything and everything to break through and gather market share. Given time and if they somehow make a dent against AMD and Nvidia, you will see those same control freak mechanisms slowly return. Remember, this is Intel. The same company that used to either bribe or coerce resellers and OEMs to not offer AMD and forced parts down their throats. The same Intel that priced their CPUs continually upward and left us with stagnant nodes and core counts till AMD was a viable threat. The same Intel that persists on tossing out chipsets every few cycles forcing consumers to upgrade their motherboards. There are plenty of other examples.... ------------------------ Nice roundup of 9070xt models. XFX Mercury is the best all around cooler by far. Gigabyte Gaming cooler is taking some hits but it is the smallest, shortest model in the mix and clocks aggressively. No way I'm paying $200 more for a Mercury over my Gaming though ($859.99 vs $656.99).... Albeit the Gigabyte Gaming makes his least recommended list heh....

Also knowing some EVGA engineers went to Sparkle is good to know. I'll put them on my to watch list. Nvidia is just a greedy tyrant now and the only reason they are allowed to run rampant is because they do have the superior product from the 5080 on up and mind share and good products from the 5070ti on down. They also dominate AI but AMD is steadily making gains and all it takes is a series of mistakes and Nvidia can be Intel'd very quickly. Also nice to know that Intel is literally selling out consistently of every GPU they can get out the door. They are consistently sold out everywhere at MSRP. I remember when some were saying Intel was shutting down their GPU division after arc..... tsk tsk tsk.

*** SOLD *** (again) 🙂

That's a slick idea. Kudos to both playing. My wife is going on 5 years strong soon playing WoW since Fall of 2020 during the pandemic. Find something that can at least play it but draws low power to WoW it up while on the road! My daughter uses an Acer Swift Edge 16 OLED 7840U w/ a 65w charger that can handle WoW and even Hogwarts on lower settings. I'll have to float that idea by her when we settle in for fall travel. It never even crossed my mind!

We know exactly why this happened.....some just don't want to open their eyes unfortunately. 😞

You understand why this is a fallacy right? Like, you get it..... Cooling procurement is irrelevant. On a hardware level, the 6000 is superior to the 5090FE and every other 5090 out there. Just because you can douse it in water to handle shunted power draw doesn't change that reality... If the dude who binned 16 of them and plans to either modify or fab a WB finishes up his project, you will see the reality of your fallacy.... 🙂 Price:Performance? Absolutely. Overclocked/WB/cooled vs out of the box? Absolutely. But you still understand why that way of thinking is flawed. It's the 2080ti all over again like I said before. 🤣

But the 96GB of VRAM! I will give Nvidia a little leeway depending on yields of near perfect dies versus the much larger margin of error for 5090s along with 96GB of VRAM, but not 4x the price worth vs the 5090FE. I think the market agrees as 6000 Blackwells can be ordered for $8k at multiple locations and are continually in stock.

Some YT testing 5090FE vs 6000 stock for stock out of the box experience on a poorly setup 9950X3D system. ~15% faster in Steel Nomad ~8.2% faster in CP2077 Obviously an absolute monster for LLMs....

I'm sure I would enjoy a 5090 FE shunt modded.... 🤣 As I slowly amass parts and do research for a SFF 3.0 buildout for fall travel, I'm thinking the Gigabyte 9070xt might be all I need along with an external 23.8" portable display and wireless KB/M but we'll see. If a 5090FE drops before then I'll probably give it a whirl but I haven't even been following the stock bots or anything for weeks now if that tells you anything. This tuned 9800X3D+9070xt combo is really punching above its weight in WoW. But I'm liking everything you've done with the 5090FE so far bro! Really good results even if it is close to causing a black hole with that power draw. 🤣 I saw over on the OC forums that dude who binned 16 6000's and is looking to take it to the extreme from platform selection to either a modified or custom fab blocked. That will be fun to see unfold.

Shout out to Lian-Li! 😂

Don't even know if it matters much with AMD based on Steam's new survey showing the dominant selling card is easily the 5070 with the 5080 and 5090 far distant but still making the chart and the 9070/xt didn't even make enough of a dent to get its own entry on the chart classified as "other" atm.... /facepalm Nvidia continues to rule the roost top to bottom but they still continue to make a fantastic product so it is hard to get people to jump to AMD. I completely understand. AMD's biggest folly was not making a reference "control" card and not sticking to MSRP pricing. I said this before, but if pricing is close between a 9070xt and a 5070ti, I'm picking the 5070ti as would most unless you're sick of Nvidia and/or already a AMD supporter. But clearly AMD did enough damage to get Nvidia on track faster to release the Super variants so there's that.

We're still only 6 months in to the 5090 cycle so hopefully some tools and flashing love will make its way to the 5090s including the FE for some XOC love in. I'm not doubting your calculations. It just seems to be a staple item in just about ever OC'ers box of tools for manual/physical readout vs software sensor readings. Another tool in the arsenal and dirt cheap.

TL;DR: Test each program you use to see if it is beneficial or not for your setup (which most of us have been doing for some time now)... Nvidia reached out to Blackbird basically saying the same thing that it is a case by case situation. With that being said, JayZ2Cent lives in the moment and with his heart on his sleeve. It has its pros and cons. I enjoy his videos but he rates right there with Linus. Entertainment only..... Say what you want about GN, but he is OCD/anal to a fault and puts the 'P' in Pedantic. I take Steve's videos more serious but I skim through them a lot because he can just go on and on and on and he's got the charisma of a brick wall....

Do you have a Wireview at least then? You want to have something to verify on screen readings. I just find a wall meter really lets you know what is being reported vs what is actually happening. I've used it numerous times to sort out bad readings in software especially for outlier laptops over the years that could sometimes misreport how much they were actually pulling. @Mr. Fox I ordered one of the meters you use as I'm still rocking the original from 16yrs+ ago and I definitely like that backlit screen.

Go drop a trip to Starbucks on a proper wall meter....... 😁