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PX1 results on my 5080 FE Stock boost lock = 2827 / 1.015v MaxV slider = 2887 / 1.035v Sub 3ghz across the board = decidedly average (maybe a touch below at sub 2900) but still a beautiful card. 🙂 5090 is ~62% faster than my 5080 FE stock for stock (186fps vs 115fps) 5090 is ~~67% faster than my 5080 FE OC vs OC (+300/+3000 on both 210fps vs 126fps) This is the first test with both capped out to 99% on the same drivers (576.02) / install. This Astral 5090 just wrecks it and applying the same OC, the gap just gets wider with the much better silicon in the Astral and cooling. I'm going to install this 9070xt next and give it a proper clean install to give it every chance it has to get where it needs to get to shine as bright as it can. WoW results with the 5080 FE: Stock: OC +300 / +3000 (same as Astral 5090):

Where does it land with zero voltage adjustments? If I were you, I'd sell/trade it for better silicon and more normal PCB AIB model to block and then have fun vBIOS hopping then crank up the chiller for some weekend outings. You can wrap the 5090FE price around yourself like a warm blanket, but it's going to eat away at you. but then again..... .....buying a more expensive model doesn't guarantee you anything and it really is all over the place with these cards. I swear it feels like CPU binning a bit. People will start asking for tested/binned variants sooner than later. It happened with the 3090 and 4090. My 3090 bins were....ok. 4090 was a very good GPU bin but just a kinda good memory overclocker topping out at +1600 max for benching. The other identical 4090 liquid was absolute trash and couldn't do over 2900mhz'ish full OC'd and memory conked out at +700 if I remember. The variance is bonkers. Still, in the end, a 5090 is a 5090 and the worst bin is absolutely a monster of a card. No coil whine is a 100% win in my book. Prices also went up on their low end cards. The $599.99 9070xt's are now ~$659.99. The Gigabyte 5070 SFF I actually had queued up for on launch with B&H for $549.99 is now $604.99 and they emailed me that it was available for buy. Gigabyte gaming OC 9070 not-XT is now $669.99.... Asrock Taichi 9070xt went from $729.99 to $849.99 on NE These are all sold and shipped by BB and NE.

Good find! So silicon lottery is in play again as always.... 😞 If someone is dedicated enough I can see binning cores and memory (if we're ever allowed to exceed +3000) to compete. I mean, I'm clearly not sad for my Astral but still. I think we always have to remember all that is promised out of the box is the advertised performance... ....we also have to remember most products also come with a 15-30 day return policy or you can sell them off (like CPUs) to friends/family/clients who will never, ever overclock and a 5090 is a 5090 is a 5090 to them. What does your FE say boost locked with PX1 w/ and w/o 100% slider? For me, it comes down to coil whine. I'd have to hear it at >200fps+ and TS GT2 run to see what it's working with coil whine wise. 50% fans on these FEs is definitely audible but then again I'm running an open case. True, even the most average FE should beat a good sample 5090 if it is blocked and shunted. 🙂 Looking forward to before and after results.

I know over on the OC forums and 3Dmark, XOC/Shunt modded cards are dominating. For @tps3443, that block is crucial for shunting considering the, ah, tight margins on the FE cooler. Here is my Astral vBIOS. Give it a whirl everybody....hopefully you all get awesome performance out of it. Oh you dropped it. Here you go... 🤣 Astral5090.rom

Banger of a card @johnksss especially if you block it. My Astral is in the neighborhood but your clocks are the chef's kiss! Mine is clocking very nicely, so I know yours is going to go to that next level especially if you block it and shunt/XOC it. (FYI, this is my first time punching either boost lock or voltage slider) Stock boost lock: voltage slider in "fun times" mode: Do you plan on getting a block though? Are you going to shunt first and run it on the stock HSF? It's gonna kill me seeing you tear it apart especially as I'm sitting here showing my buddy over FT how quiet a FE CAN be with the 5080 FE.

Hoping it's a banger @johnksss, but then again with your past work on so-so/average hardware..... I knew your Founders stood no chance of staying in its pristine condition! 🤣 Like I said many days ago when you were just talking about adding pads or something along those lines.... "and it starts." 😁 Definitely can't wait to see it shunt modded and blocked bro!

So the PNY Epic-X Overclocked ARGB 5090 at $3399 now costs more than the Astral at $3359?? Hmmmm, I will have to watch a review on it. I have no idea what the game or premise is about. Well yeah, if you're pushing clocks a crash is obvious but the idea is to be able to recover without a hard reset which I've found to be the case with 576.02. Maybe things will change when I actually start pushing voltages and power limits vs everything now being at stock power config? Dunno....

5090 + 9800X3D WoW 99% utilization Stock vs OC (+300 / +3000) = ~13% uplift. Yeah, I'll take that. I didn't realize my OC was only +300 when I took that first OC shot in Oribos so some room to play with later. 5090 OC 210fps (+300 / +3000) vs 4090 OC (+210/225 / +1500) 135fps = ~56% uplift. I'll confirm this by testing the 5080 FE here and extrapolating vs 5080 FE stock vs 4090 OC. Also test 5080 FE stock and OC in the same location too vs Astral 5090. I expect the gap to close down to ~45% Stock: OC: Whoa..... Just give it a clean install! 😁 noice! congrats! I keep telling myself the same thing with this expensive piece of gear aka Astral 5090: "You know the last 4 cycles since the 1080ti, you've sold all your GPUs after a few years for as much if not more than you paid....6090 will probably be a train wreck....AMD sucks again for WoW compared to Nvidia with problems galore on the 9070xt....240fps in delves at 4k Ultra with the 5090"

lol, I'm just glad to have a new testing spot that can cap out this 5090. My old spot, especially overclocked, just had the 5090 giggling.... "MSI Suprim 6090 with 48gb of memory now on sale for $3999.99!!" I'll be curious to see your results, but since 576.02 zero hard reboots. I just give it a few seconds after freezing and it recovers. I will readily admit, I didn't expect the 5090 to have the extra room in the tank.... Oh, TSE is my overnight 6hr run since it simulates a max length (in theory) gaming session for moi. My final boss. It is probably a holdover from when I used to use P95 for my CPUs and an hour or so would pass, but 5-6hrs would root out instabilities. Same as my CPU and memory final stress tests. If I can pass a 6hr run, I are super golden to my standards. I can't get onboard for 24hr runs for some reason like others for CPU/GPU/MEM. 1/4 of that is MORE than enough for myself. Still, an hour is probably good enough..... 😁

We found it! 5090 99% Utilization in WoW even overclocked! Oribos, my old friend (Shadowlands) to the rescue! The former stomping ground of GPU slaying rises up once more. 🙂 This will be my new test spot for GPUs in WoW from this point on. If it can bring a 5090 OC'd to its knees (well, I mean 210fps but still), can't wait to see how the 5080 FE does....

It really comes down to having the ability to extract as much performance as possible out of your 5090 by being able to flash vBIOS from other makes and models without being restricted by Nvidia. I mean, it is their in house model being offered so I get it, but they've done this before. No way I'd run 1k as a daily, but fun benchies? Yes please. Beefy enough heatsink to handle it? Double yes please. As @jaybee83 pointed out, lack of dual bios on the FE is a negative too just in case..... The blessings of the FE HSF design is also its curse. Absolutely great for SFF, compact to fit most cases and quite beautiful and stunning in person (I also thought the 4090 FE was an absolutely stunning slab of industrial metal). It's curse is limited thermals resulting in much higher temps overall at similar settings for both memory and GPU temps. In spec? Sure, but it limits you. You can't out Physics, er, Physics... For me, a monster heatsink just lets me run a full tilt D2D OC and not have to worry about extreme temps. If I could keep my room cooler, that would mean even better temps.... that screen shot of a few hours of WoW where my room was heading closer to 90 than 80 still were great temps in the sauna box. If I could keep my room at 70f? Mmmmmmm. Maybe I should get a window AC unit.... For me, it will always be 3Dmark TSE GT2 that for some reason looped will eventually get my GPU. I use Heaven when tuning on the fly to see when I start to artifact but I've found recently on 4090 and especially 5090 I don't really artifact. I just freeze/blank and sometimes recover (recover almost all the time with 576.02). I used to use Kombustor (aka Furmark'ish) but not recently. Then I throw games at it but only the games I play. My general rule is, "I'm stable till the next new game." For WoW, I use that high GPU location, and in previous Xpacs back to Shadowlands, I used Ardenweald which just brutalized my GPUs and hit so hard. I need to revisit that. I did also use Wukong this last time. Fallout 76 can't tax anything lol and it ran fine up to +400 / +3000 at max settings to give you an idea. --- 5090 is just a beast. It really is. I'm pretty much locked into a +325/+3000 D2D now and playing WoW earlier with the wife and that extra bit of ooomph does help shore up the lows a bit more. Since coil wine on this card is so good, I've abandoned 140fps frame lock and now keep it at a proper +238fps for my 240hz OLED display. There's pockets when playing, especially delves, where it is so silky smooth.... --- Again, locked down BIOS controls and no dual bios switch? Hmmmm.... For $2k though, like @tps3443, I'd rock it six ways to sundown all day everyday.... 🤣

That's exactly what it means @tps3443..... Only an FE vBIOS variant will work on an FE not an AIB. 😞 I thought I remember reading that before with FE cards that's why I was asking because I was thinking of flashing either the Astral or Zotac vBIOS if possible on the 5080 FE. Go ahead and flash the Astral and see how it turns out. 5090 FE really is just not designed for a proper D2D OC and/or vBIOS optimizing from other AIBs. Irks me a bit with the 5080 FE to be honest. Best bet is to grab the cheapest non-FE if you want to vBIOS hop, slap a block on it and get to work.

Well, this answers the question 😞 Strike 2....

Is the 5090 FE capable of flashing other vBIOSes?

Hmmm, that is a possibility too. I am just going to give it its own cozy, comfy fresh install drivers only to start and go from there. Office is looking clean and organized! Yeah I'm at +3000 / +325 for pure stability without adding any PL/V fans on auto which is how I would run it D2D gaming/rendering. Stress testing, I started at +400 and that quickly dropped to +350 and extended testing dialed it to +325. Next will be retesting with PL/V limits pushed to max. (You know, the "hard stuff" 🤣) Might need to dial in a "Winter Mode" and "Summer Mode" at this rate of hades. 🤣 Ugh, as much as I want to see the FE on water It is going to pain me to see it dismantled from its stock, factory fresh beauty feat of engineering lol..... Can the FE's cross flash vBIOS? If so, that and a block will really let it fly.... 2nm Intel does get me jonsin' for it so we shall see.