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Jay disappointed in the Lightning.....and also experiencing the disappointment of a 1000w BIOS meets a 1.030v bin...... 1.030v stock 1.045v maxed Crashes at 3200 Locks at +300 slider Remember last year when I kept saying voltage and stock voltage was important early on here and over on the OCN forums? As we've seen, they go hand in hand especially now that all these 800w/1000w/1200w/2000w BIOS are in the wild. The fact MSI didn't even bin the chips for voltage to at least complement the 800w/1000w BIOS files for normies is crazy. If you're needing EVC2 for a $5500 card after tax to try to even attempt to get your 800/1000w where it needs to be, something is wrong. I'm fine with most FE cards being the baseline for its price and they can afford to be trash voltage bins for the most part, but $5500? Fail MSI. Fail. Timestamped:

Sigh.....🤑

I do memtest, OCCT, TM5 and that locks it in for me so I get it. That is standard across the board. DDR5 Ultra testing has really locked in temps being so finicky way more than any other memory I used before though >=8400. I can definitely see water cooling letting memory rip properly. I've never been one to say, "hey it booted and gave me an Aida score.....I'M STABLE BRUH!" 😅 But yeah, for some it has gotten to that point where they will just keep moving the goal posts instead of just saying, "Nice OC bro!" No I don't need to run my CPU, GPU or memory into the ground to make you feel better or less salty about my OC thank you very much....😉

I flashed numerous P870s from DM up to TM with Dsanke some time back and it was hit or miss. Never hurts to give it a try, but make sure you have a programmer in case it is a miss. You were lucky @Scruffy to have one that worked with the software based flashing, nice.

He runs a pretty beefy MO-RA setup and bins the snot out of his gear each and every cycle and tunes it up pretty good but I don't remember Sugi being into all the Y-cruncher / OCCT/ Karhu e-peen swinging contests so I'm not sure.... Clearly stable enough to game tho! 🤣 Nice! Got to play around with it for almost a year and a bit of pocket change for more toys. Can't ask for more than that. Did you try G4 just to rule out the CPU and focus on the memory and to a degree MB? I did that just to make sure I could lock down the memory as far as the Strix would let me go and it topped out at 9066 G4 but that is what the Strix is rated, so there's that. That was with Memtest, TM5 and OCCT. I know at first glance those Corsair sticks wouldn't even boot and when I finally got them to boot they were problematic at 8200-8400 till I did what always ends up happening and just meticulously hand tuning them. How were the temps over 8400? That might be entering the land of needing a dedicated RAM cooler or janky 120mm/140mm fan over it to keep temps at bay. Did you order the epic edition of WoW? I usually pick it up so I can get 2-3 days of play before the unwashed masses come rushing in and gunk things up. 1984 was a reflection on humans and control. For some reason, we end up with those in power that want to control everything, take everything and overstay their welcome.... What I notice about the 5080 being the most popular on that chart for Nvidia cards is the absolute DOMINATION of AMD 9070xt (#1) and 9060xt (#2) which is nice to see. If they got a bit more realistic with their prices (which they are, as prices are trending back down), they could dominate even more in that segment.

Sugi pushing AM5 rig to the max: 5800 on all cores 9950X3D 8800 C34 5090 running 2500w Lightning BIOS clocking 3427 pretty much rock solid the entire play session

Yeah he just got that 5070ti the other day. I watched the quick unboxing. He's actually one of my favorite YT'ers to watch as he owns multiple platforms, tunes his hardware decently enough and always buys AMD and Nvidia top end cards with a sprinkle of midrange when he wants to bench. He also keeps Intel and AMD platforms too. He's not wrong and I agree with him. Like I said in an earlier post (and the video I posted is the same argument):

Red Devil is so much quieter and boosts higher than my Gigabyte. IMHO, this is the "premier" card to get this generation of 9070xt's especially using 3x 8pin vs 12v2x6. What makes it worse is the positioning of the connector on the Taichi 9070xt which is overly recessed or Nitro+ which is on the back of the card and will force a substantial cable bend in every scenario. Best argument for the 9070xt vs 5070 and 5070ti: Red Devil hitting 3300+ and 3400+ in FO76 at stock:

Whoa, you sold your 5090? I guess it makes sense considering you game at 1440p which keeps consistency across your desktop and laptop 1440p displays. In WoW, so much performance is left on the table at 1440p with a 5090. My wife games at 1440p and the 9070xt is near perfect for that at Ultra RT Max, but if given a choice I'd go with a 5070ti depending on price. Hope you got a good price for it. Did you ever tune and push those V-color 9600 sticks? Those should slot in nicely for Nova.... You're the second to sell off their primary/only 5090 so far. You and @tps3443. I wonder if he kept his Acer laptop or sold that too?

He's fun to watch though..... 🤣 He definitely has a very small following but 40k isn't terrible and enough to grift a decent amount of $$$ his way via discord paywalls, tuning classes, custom tuning for $500 a pop and constantly soliciting donations, hawking his classes or directing his followers to publicly thank those who donate over and over again.....

I started having weird little freezes with my main rig about a month ago. I caught the flu and was down for the count for 10 days and did not care about my computer, but getting back to D2D usage and just very random little issues. On the 17th the errors went into full tilt hardware errors overdrive: That was when I pulled my 5090 to swap into my Ultra rig and it had no problems and my main rig "calmed down" a bit without the 5090 in there. Still, something was up. Pulled out good 'ole AIDA full suite stress test, no problems. Pulled out OCCT and ran extreme tests on every sub system no problems. Ran OCCT combined extreme and started getting random errors every different run within 5-60 seconds: "VRAM failed," "GPU failed," "memory failed" and even "CPU failed". Each run was a crap shoot which error I would get so I was pretty sure it was the EVGA P2 1600w that was slowly failing and then suddenly took a turn for the worse. Installed the MSI AI1600T tonight and combined passed with flying colors. As a checksum, hooked the EVGA P2 1600w to the Ultra Rig with the 9070xt and OCCT combined crashed and burned on it too with the 9070xt. Bonus was seeing transients on the 9070xt hitting 600w+..... Getting the AI1600T couldn't have come at a better time.... EVGA P2 1600w has a 10 year warranty so it will be interesting to test the "new" EVGA for an RMA.....might as well get an RMA for a dead/dying K20 keyboard I have in the closet too from them. wasn't worth the postage to send it back but combined with the PSU probably worth the round trip.I tossed one of their wireless mice that just died a bit ago. Shoulda held onto it to toss in there too for an RMA...... Wife's EVGA K20 keyboard is still going strong and she beats the crap out of that thing playing WoW..... MSI AI1600T is gorgeous.....too bad you'll never see it in this Phanteks case. Good thing is switching to a single 12v2x6 run and the way the cables are thinner and braided meant easier runs and management. It has a USB-C to USB connector to the MB, but you need to run MSI Center Bloatware to access the features and yeah, no thank you. I'll use it as is. Almost in final boss form ( need to make a few cuts to the brackets for the DDR5 fan): ----------------------- Yeah, that was a pleasant surprise on the Ultra when running the original MSI octopus connector directly vs through the WVP2. I'll take every bit of coil whine reduction I can get. Definitely going to go back to 800w Matrix as my daily vs just testing but I also want to test the 1000w Lightning. Nothing wrong with the gigachad, but I'm leaving a lot of the 1.125v cap on my card on the table with the 600w variants. One thing I learned during the Pandemic was to scroll on by comments and positions that make zero sense. Better for your mental health. Politics? Religion? Absolutely stupid takes on tech? Scroll Scroll Scroll! I feel bad for family and friends that sit on forums and social media for hours on end just arguing. You won't walk away feeling better and you will carry that luggage with you for an indeterminate amount of time. Most forums and groups I quietly extract nuggets of useful information and absolutely refuse to engage in any type of flame wars. It's just not worth it. I didn't join OCN till 4-5 years ago, so I have no idea what it was like during its heyday. I am not. I'll have to give it a whirl. I'll have to check, but outside of outliers that heavily favor X3D (IE Fallout 76), Arrowlake is solid at 4k IMHO. I was a little bummed they cancelled the 290k. I was tempted to pick up that nice 285k over on the OCN forums that is delidded and 9200 C40 certified to play with.... Arrowlake felt a touch like Rocket Lake and almost a prototype calm before the big storm coming. I'm expecting big things at the end of the year from Intel. At least almost all of the XOC bios files are out in the wild now to play with so that's a plus....unless you're an FE owner or an Asus/Suprim AIO owner. As for the 9070xt? Marketshare tells us if given a choice, gamers will pick Nvidia all day everyday still but with 5070ti prices through the roof, 9070xt is viable....if priced properly. All the market conditions in the world won't force gamers to exceed a certain price point. I knew the writing was on the wall when Newegg started lowering their 9000 series prices a few weeks ago. Either lower the prices or get stuck with a glut considering 9000 series has been on the market for almost a year and 5000 series for over a year. Many who wanted them have bought them. Same theory applies to ram prices. You can jack up the prices all you want, but all I'm seeing is plenty of stock, eBay kits priced lower than the MSRP ones not moving and Newegg and MC now offering bundle deals. Nevermind the price of many things overall has gone up in this economy. Comparing my grocery price history today vs a few years ago and it's a bloodbath. Comparing many items on subscription on Amazon and prices are up easily 10-15% overall if not more. Prices in restaurants is so outrageous now and/or shrinkflation we eat at home now or do pick up orders to avoid a savage 20%-23% "recommended" tip (remember when 15% was considered generous?) Good times!

Installed the WV2Pro while testing on the Ultra for setup, taking the Corsair SFX SL1000 for a real run and some basic looking around. SFX 1000w has held up nicely.... Testing with the MSI Yellow tip of death adapter during Steel Nomad runs before I get around to the big transplant. Still collecting some Ultra WoW data for my archives. Verdict with MSI's yellow tipped 4 headed octopus? Not doing backflips.... Saw pin 2 dip as low as 6.8 and Pin 6 as high as 9.4... Interesting coil whine test. Connected directly to the Corsair SFX SL1000 and the Vanguard was definitely noisier than in my main case (inversely, the 9070xt is quieter in my main rig case with the P2 than with the Corsair), but when I hooked up the WV2Pro, that extra coil whine went away. That bodes very well.

Finally got around to the ole switcheroo for some FO76 and WoW testing.... Welp, my 265k adventures have come to an end for potential on my main rig methinks. 9800X3D is just too beastly in Fallout 76 9070xt is just too weak on top of that but that was to be expected against a card that costs 3-6x more and is really a 5070ti/5080 contender depending on games played. Good news is for WoW at 4k? 265k tuned is a legit contender. It also was holding its own in Hogwarts too. For raids, I found it had almost that same smoothness and control of the lows like the SP109 14900KS in the wife's system. If all I played was WoW, I'd recommend a nice, tuned, cheap 265k on the cheapest board you could find. Problem of course is securing 8000+ DDR5 in the current market. Unfortunately I play equal parts Fallout76 and WoW both at 4k these days as my two main games and have for the last 3+ years and the X3D just massacres All of Intel's offerings in that game as it always has since I started testing with the 7800X3D several years ago vs the 12900k, 13900KS and eventually the 14900KS. I did manage to eeek out a little bit more performance on the Strix and 8600 tuned vs 8000 tuned with the better 265k being able to tune up quite nicely but it still couldn't hang but that's about right considering it couldn't hang even with the 14900k still churning along at 59/45/50 atm. Red Devil 9070xt was clocking over 3300 at stock in Fallout76. Much better than my Gigabyte 9070xt in the wife's system. 265k vs 9800X3D with MSI Vanguard 5090: 9070xt vs 5090 on 9800X3D: 9070xt vs 5090 on 265k: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Up next is a break down and cleaning of my main rig and install the MSI AI1600T PSU along with the WV2Pro and DDR5 cooling mod. I plan on holding onto my Vengeance 9200 sticks in anticipation for Nova.....

Now we're talkin! @Papusan Do any of the Lightning vBIOS files work on the Asus 5090 Astral AIO?

I still wouldn't run the 2001w XOC as a D2D vs the Matrix vBIOS. I guess if you don't really have a choice unless you want to whip out a soldering iron to get it working with the Matrix, you use what you can use but for normal cooling, it is the Matrix 800w for me or potentially the 1000w Lightning.