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Epyx looking good! Which sticks are those and how are they cooled?

My update was in two parts (ASUS 4242 and PD-GX) and each firmware update was run independently and worked automatically unattended. The first,4242, gave a clear and present progression status in dos text showing each step. The PD-GX showed me absolutely nothing on the screen so I checked events / task manager to confirm it had run its course. Then I rebooted After a reboot, all ports were front and center and my second (of 4) USB-A front port now works normally where before it basically did not work at all after the bios update. This was after a BIOS flash from 1512 -> 1805 as previously mentioned.

The bulk of my work is with external media both personally and professionally. Main reason I jettisoned AM4. To suddenly see USB port issues pop back up caused immediate concern. Installed the firmware update a bit ago..... And just like that my second front USB-A port now connects every time......like before the last BIOS update. I was ~3 BIOS updates behind though. I updated mainly for more 8000 stability on the Hero.

I'm still on 1805 from last month (newest) on my hero , but I went and checked and a new firmware update was available for connected devices for stability. Makes sense. Since the last bios update, my front USB-A ports are suddenly sporadic in whether devices connect or not. Check to see if there is a firmware update available for your board. Yeah, if you look back through some of his other videos, DIMMs are dying with a quickness recently. I actually enjoy his Fix or Flop series. If anything, it shows you the power of having spare parts laying around.... Arrowlake is new to me and my favorite part is the beginning stages of a brand new platform and slowly exploring all the nuances over months. Just realized fabric potentially comes into play with OC and optimal freqency. Looks like ~8600 might be the sweet spot for dialing in timings in correlation to AL OC especially for gaming. The deep dive will continue over the next several months. I may keep this Strix board if that's the case since it can do 8667 and just focus on binning chips around ~8800. I did put up a feeler on OCN and of course got hit with the mailbox full of "message my friend at IWILLSCAMYOUHARD AT SCAMUGUD DOTZ LULZ" to report and ignore as always.... Did get 9200 back up and running in G4. I'm also realizing these "heat blankets" as @Mr. Fox calls them are coming into play on some of these stress test runs... Good video showing speed tiers (but without super deep timings optimizations) on 14th and Arrowlake: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Whenever @Papusan shows new Crocs on the forums (timestamped) 🤣:

So with the new BIOS and further tuning and goosing, I've encountered a few new things. Vengeance 9200 sticks wouldn't boot with XMP timings because Corsair was Pushing Dram Write Recovery Time to 138 for some reason. That one, single XMP setting was shutting down the Strix every time. Took a little to track that one down. This 265k gives up the ghost at 8400. The Z890-A Strix gives up the ghost at 8800. I can't do G2 8400 fail I can do G4 8400 pass I can do G4 8667 pass I can't do G4 8800 fail So the Strix-A is doing better than expected and it did fail HUB's 8800 check during its review so no shocker. May come down to binning boards at this lower tier. This is the entry level Strix board. That Unify-X I ordered won't ship till next week so that gives me a few more days to at least see if I can get the board to 8800 which is my return/keep threshold. If I can stabilize 8800 I'll keep it. If not, back it goes. I'm thinking this 265k was an open box return to MC because someone tested the IMC and went "garbage!" and returned it. I'll probably go ahead and put some feelers on the OCN and/or grab at least 1-2 more 265k's to bin. But the testing continues....

In classic Asus fashion, new BIOS drops for the Z890-A Strix and now it won't boot G4 9200 at all.... 🤣 Going to retest 8000->8400+ but I'm not expecting any miracles. I did place an order for a Unify-X on the 'zon for $399.99 because I'm a FAFO kinda guy, they only had 8 left and Amazon is known for shifting prices back to everyone else still selling it at $699.99+ real fast. I really had no complaints about my Carbon X670E or Unify Z690. I went for the after Xmas ship option to snag 8% back in rewards because I'm in no rush and that gives me an extra 10 days to continue to work with this Z890-A strix. --------------------------------------------------------------- Jay switching to Ultra 285k from AMD 9950X3D..... Went with 4 dimmer Hero over 2 dimmer Unify (his first pick) because of scratches on MB......aka aesthetics. 😕 ------------------------------------------- After much searching by the Mrs, this is the case she ultimately decided upon..... I gave her a list of high airflow cases to check out and once she saw the Antec, she promptly jettisoned the 4000D Airflow and Asus GT302 that were her previous two front runners. Flux is also one of the top rated airflow cases on the market. I have to switch her away from the EVGA DG-77. When she was first running a 12100f + 3060, it was ok but running a 14900KS + 9070xt and the case is a sauna affecting the OC on her memory and 9070xt. Even stock, temps are getting juicy unless I run it with the side panel off. I like that the Antec comes with 3x 140mm in the front, 2x 120mm for GPU intake on the bottom and 140mm rear exhaust. Makes it easy to move over her components. I will probably replace her EVGA CLC 280mm AIO with my test rig Lian Li Gallahad 360mm which is definitely a tier above the EVGA in cooling. ------------------------------------------------------- I'm going to FAFO and give the Z890 Unify-X a whirl especially at $399.99 on Amazon. Worst case scenario, back it goes! I liked the MSI BIOS, but can readily admit I still find Asus BIOS to be my favorite especially now that EVGA no longer makes motherboards. 😞 I could see why they exited the GPU market, but I still don't understand why they also did away with their excellent motherboard division. 😠 -- I think the wonderful thing about games is they are pretty much a leisurely pursuit and you can opt to play or not play without a meaningful impact to your core existence. It sucks it has come to this point, but blame the cheaters. As someone who has played competitive games for decades, nothing can suck the wind out of a game/franchise like rampant cheating. I said it before, but cheaters and cheat creators have reached such a point in sophistication that it has now come down to hardware level monitoring to assure all assets and code are not compromised even at the cost of giving up control and security and placing your trust in the game makers. Best bet is, again, to create a games only install on Windows and keep your other install for everything else if you opt to give up that level of control to play certain games. I'm ok with this. What is the alternative? I do see merit in the argument about a "single player only" version devoid of this level of security and monitoring, but that is an entirely other argument to address. As per Tom's: "DMA devices are some of the most advanced cheating techniques, and most of them are expensive and difficult to implement. These types of mods aren’t used by casual players; instead, they’re often applied by hardcore players looking to gain an advantage in esports matches, especially when there is a monetary prize. When Riot Games’ security team discovered this vulnerability, it immediately worked with hardware manufacturers, which validated their findings. They then released BIOS updates to address the issue, ensuring that no one could exploit this weakness and gain an unfair advantage. If your computer is affected by this bug, you’ll be given a restriction, and you won’t be able to launch Valorant. You can resolve this by updating your motherboard’s BIOS to the latest version and by ensuring that all security features like Secure Boot, VBS, and IOMMU are activated and working properly. If you don’t want to be inconvenienced by a security warning before launching your game, Riot Games recommends that you update your BIOS to the latest version as soon as possible. “BIOS updates aren’t exactly as exciting as looking at ban numbers, but this is a necessary step in our arms race against hardware cheats,” Riot's blog post on the matter reads. “By closing this pre-boot loophole, we are neutralizing an entire class of previously untouchable cheats and significantly raising the cost of unfair play.”"

Like @Rage Set and @Mr. Fox said, this is a blessing and a curse. Actually forcing optimizations in software to compensate is a blessing. Luckily (unluckily?) the memory shortage hits VRAM, RAM and potentially storage. If it only hit VRAM, nothing would really change. You just lower the resolution and asset requirements. RAM? Well, now you're talking not only assets but asset management and actual game code Storage? Well, not you have to be cognizant of your total install size which encompasses assets, asset management and game code. I think when all is said and done, high end GPUs won't be hit as much because texture sizes are variable and selectable. Even now, most 6GB video cards can run just about every game out there if you lower the detail level unless they take a shared memory model approach and dump off into normal system ram to compensate for texture sizes. As a precaution, I picked up a few Samsung 9100 Pro 1TB NVME's a bit ago and prices have already spiked from what I paid (~$130) to now $170 each. I already had a few 2TB SSDs (990 Pro, 9100 Pro) and a boatload of laptop SSDs (512GB to 2TB) sitting in the ~7 laptops on my shelf. Some of these have to go, though. I feel like a mic drop was done right after saying that.... 🤣 It is most likely going to be a UNIFY or APEX. Do you plan on using an Apex for some 270k/290k binning? Maybe I'll put out a WTB on the OCN forums for a tested and certified 9000 G2 Unify or Apex.

Ugh, full day of Xmas shopping with the wife..... me at the end of the day..... ----------------------------------------------------------- Time to pick another motherboard as the TG 8200 sticks, which I had running at 8400 no problem on Z790i Lightning and 14900KS also borked out in G2 and G4. So that's three sets of sticks (8200, 8400, 9200) giving up the ghost on the Z890 Strix-A in G2 and G4 at 8400. Even boots at 9200 G4 and AIDA64 run with the Vengeance sticks, but passing TM5 is a whole different story... This is when having other CPUs / MBs is a plus to start bouncing off each other. At least I have 3x sets of DDR5 in the kitty though so that's a blessing.

Correction. I wasn't paying attention (in a rush today since it is the wife and my official holiday shopping all day "fun"), I forgot when you switch gears it auto resets the memory frequency to auto so that G4 pass run was at 5600 (DERP!). This means most likely last time in G4 it was back to auto frequency too when testing the KB sticks and it passed. So I set it to G4 to remove the CPU from the equation, set to 8400 and it failed again on both the KB and Corsair sticks. So that is a double failure at G4 on the KB 8200 sticks and Vengeance 9200 sticks when testing 8400 but 8200 passes. So now it is pointing to the MB not the CPU. I'll dive back in either very late tonight or tomorrow as now onward to Xmas shopping and dinner and more shopping....

I asked a few times about a replacement because they auto refunded it immediately when it was still in the "claims" portion of the program. I'll be asking again. I've lost confidence in most shipping carriers these days. From basically unreliable delivery windows to poor deliveries (another reason I installed cameras) to flat out thieves within I'm skeptical most times now and actually trust Amazon's own delivery network as much if not more than UPS or FedEx. Wow, I think the last time I had a bad stick was early DDR4 SODIMM from G.Skill and they replace the kit in less than a week. G.skill replacement should be straight forward (as long as things don't go missing in transit), but any recourse on the bare Chinese brand? Wow, that's even better! I approach it the same. As long as I can consistently get 100fps or more at all times, I'm good. I cap my frames at 175fps everywhere to keep balance between the lows and highs unless I'm running delves, then I cap it to the actual display cap which is 240hz on this Alienware OLED 32" 4k display. Yeah, then you have a lot of optimization / greater fps ahead of you. Things really are only going to get better. Did the power go out because of the high winds or do they purposely shut down power due to the high winds / fire risk? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And lastly, 265k is a potential issue....but we will see. Testing so far with the Corsair 9200 sticks G2 8000 pass G2 8200 pass G2 8400 fail (and I mean within the first minute) G4 8400 pass 8400 G4 pass is the same as with the Kingbank sticks except the KB sticks required a fan and 1.5v. These 9200 sticks only require 1.45v and no fan. I'll goose the voltages on the IMC to see how much further I can push it in G2 but falling off the rails at G2 8400 isn't a great portend of things to come. But first I'm going to see how far the MB can go in G4 just to see how far it can go with the newest BIOS. If it can do at least 8800 I'll keep it. If not, back to Amazon it goes and most likely a Unify is in my future unless I can find a well priced and properly working Apex.

Nice! The wonderful thing is you have a lot left in the tank with that memory for further performance gains / optimizations. 25% more fps is a pretty massive upswing over a 12900ks. How are the 1%/.1%? Did you enable 200S boost only? Have you tried @Talon's manual OC settings on the 285k yet? 9200 Memory arrived yesterday and I'm currently crunching it at 8200 (it passed 8000). I'll keep climbing by +200mhz each test cycle to see where it lands before I switch over to G4 for the final verdict "is it the CPU or motherboard?" If you're reading this and quietly thinking "I thought you got 9600 sticks?" The seller only had one set on hand but had listed two. Luckily, he had even one set so at least @win32asmguy was able to get a set! He apologized profusely (I'm a firm believer in snafus happen), so it was all good but he offered me a set of 9200 Corsair sticks at a steep discount (less than half the price MSRP) so these will more than do the trick for my needs since you need unicorn gear to hit G2 9200 anyhow. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Testing these Kingbank vs TG sticks earlier, and the King sticks are definitely better. Could be the TG 8200 sticks are from 2024 and the KB 8400 sticks from 2025 but they can run at tighter timings at 8000 so far vs the TG sticks. Taking a timeout on them atm while I run the 9200 sticks through the ringer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The bad: Amazon refunded me for that PSU but I couldn't order/get a replacement at the same black friday pricing because of the whole UPS stolen / claim situation. I'll just stick with my $80 Coolmaster SFX 850w PSU for now......

Isn't it infuriating when the bias is clear in these videos for CPU comparisons? Either run default vs default EXPO vs XMP based on actual AMD/Intel speeds or take the time to properly test and OC each platform with similar levels of overclocking. I'm fine either way, but be consistent. The problem is 99% of viewers won't go over the fine print or even care. They run right to the results and move along. One reason I still watch FrameChasers and especially BlackBirdTech is they push max tuning on each so you can actually see the end product if both are OC'd within reason to gather some data for your own analysis.

Unfortunately my "local" MC (local = 70min drive) never had them in stock even at the $399.99 price quoted before. 😞 They do have the Z890 Maximus for $399.99 but....eh..... I'm hoping this $176 Stix-A with all the subsequent BIOS updates will get 'er done. I'll make sure to drop down to G4 just in case it fails in G2 to remove the 265k from the equation if the first stab at G2 fails. Dream scenario is these 9200 sticks and the strix can do 8600-9000 so I can focus on the CPU and a few potential 265k binning or 270k/290k binning. If the Strix-A is the problem it will be sent back and I'll have to pick up something a bit stronger.... Sheesh, that took forever but glad it arrived safe and sound. Let us know how it goes.

With the most recent updates, I did finally switch over to 8000 on AM5 for my main rig. I plan on dialing in both the TG 8200 and KB 8400 sticks and seeing which pair reigns supreme at 8000. I am thinking so far with the TG on AM5 and KB on the 265k atm the KB sticks are going to be the best at 8000 but I won't know till I flip flop them. BBT did a nice comparison a bit ago about which was better (8000 vs 6000 vs 6400) and while it isn't mind boggling in its victory, 8000 now comes out ahead on AM5: ------------------------------------------------------------- Speaking of pushing speeds, Amazon has the MSI Z890 Unify brand new for $399.99. While BIOS updates have probably helped many of the upper tier boards since being tested (IE Taichi, Elite, Maximus), HUB did find the Unify had no problems running and passing 8800 while the Z890 Strix-A failed. E and F did pass though. Unify is a 2 dimmer too. I have till Jan 31st to return the Strix. When my new 9200 sticks arrive, I'll be putting the Strix to task asap. Sheer amount of boards that couldn't pass 8800 is pretty massive..... --------------------------------------------------------- This. Test hardware yourself. I call it "the itch" and 99.99% of the time, I end up scratching it then comparing my results against various 'tubers and other results to quantify and qualify my findings (and to dismiss many influencers)

What was the first video? It has been removed by the uploader..... Who whudda thunk it? @Mr. Fox has run into a board that is TOO OC focused for his tastes 🤣