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Good observation on the status of Ray Tracing: Not a sham, but the actual hardware chops required in raw power just haven't been delivered by Nvidia and many games don't even bother with it or give it token lip service. Feels like the long con from Nvidia to switch reliance to DLSS and FG.... Nevermind the VRAM regression or at the very least lack of progression considering its need for RT and PT.... -------------------------------------- Dude...... Good thing you know what you're looking for in these situations. Next time, tell them you will be testing it on the spot before purchase to weed out a lot of chuff even if that means lugging your son's desktop with you to a Starbucks, library, police safe trading zone, BNN or more to test it out. PCpartpicker shows the cheapest 5090 available right now in stock is $4200. With the market the way it is, any sub $3k deal has to be sus. Anyone who has a 5090 KNOWS it is valuable so selling it for cheap doesn't make sense. Not that it can't happen, but you have to protect yourself first. (HUGS $1971 MSI Vanguard 5090 1.125 Open Box MC special even harder while checking WV2 connections 🤣)

I'll check for the Crosshair edition. I know this last BIOS update (2202) introduced instabilities into my previously rock solid 2133/6400 profile but made 8200 (previously 8000) a reality so trade offs...... Damn bro! When it rains it pours. 😞 That sense of relief though means it was a mutual parting of the ways on a certain level. On the other hand, a 5080 block is a nice way to lick your wounds / consolation prize I guess 🤣 I've returned to the mindset too of, "just game on the damn thing," I mean it is with a nice AB OC and tuned up NVCPL and system tweaked but still.....yeah. I stopped running the Matrix last week and went back to the stock vbios. In the end, for gaming, you're not going to see that much of a difference worth the insane extra pull and the fact summer is approaching and with the Matrix running my room was routinely a sauna. There is almost zero chance of a 5090ti unless the AI market suddenly craters and companies cancel their orders in droves. The way it's going I expect the 6090 to be a distant afterthought as initial Rubin production is going to be all about AI and I wouldn't be surprised to see the 6080 and below introduced first and for quite a bit before we even get a sniff of a 6090 if at all. A lot of it comes down to what AMD is bringing to market too as their next gen is rumored to be a major leap in performance. Think 5700xt = 9070xt then we jumped to the 6000 series which was a massive uplift in performance matching the 3090 in raster. 9070xt really pushed a lot of auxilary capabilities outside of raster for AMD and is a portend of things to come....WoW is still broke in DX12 though again with AMD....🤣 I do know Nvidia needs a new architecture and a serious node shrink because 5090 power draw is insane for a consumer level product. Ironically, it reminds me of the GTX 590 which in its day pulled insane amounts of power for its dual GPU setup..... What CPU do you use as your daily driver for gaming now? Bartlett? AM5? 14900? Odd to see the market regress because AI is consuming everything. 3060's and 5800X3Ds are back in play.....crazy times....

You don't see many shunted and blocked 5080s. Let's see where that puppy can go! -------------------------------- Clearly we're into the next intra-phase of the 5000 series with specialized variants of cards dropping along all tiers including the 5090... MSI: New Suprim variant with more protections, monitoring and fuse..... Gaming updated cooler quieter.... in case you don't know, MSI 5090s don't have the most quietest of fans..... GIGABYTE: Gigabyte is all in on that "Infinity" aka TRON Lightcycle look which I do not like at all..... PNY: Even PNY is getting in the game offering their first AIO based 5090.... ASUS: Aesthetically, this might be my favorite 5090..... Would make for a killer all Asus BTF system and looks MUCH better than the Matrix while giving you the full 800w treatment.... https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-launches-800w-rog-astral-rtx-5090-edition-20-with-curved-oled-panel -------------------------------- Nvidia all in with CPUs with full Windows support..... https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-announced-rtx-spark-chip-for-windows-on-arm-with-rtx-gaming-support I just feel like Intel/AMD are under a true assault from many CPU makers now with ARM and it wouldn't take much for a downhill shift to ARM as the dominant consumer platform sooner than later. Once we get a true Apple like Rosetta translation situation going and making the transition fairly easy, I can see x86 becoming a thing of the past in the future. M$lop is fully in on ARM anyhow on their devices and operating systems. We've seen Apple's M chips equaling or flat out beating AMD and Intel desktop chips over and over again..... Nvidia with their resources and technology entering the arena could be the inflection point that has slowly been brewing....

Yeah when they keep changing the prices and going back and forth because in the end he wants to extract another $100 out of you, it's time to walk. I would never pay $1400 for a 5080 anything..... Holy crap! This close -><- to being charged with possession of stolen property but it wasn't knowingly but still that is bonkers crazy! Glad it (kinda) worked out but it would suck to be out ~$200 for it but wow..... How does it work buying cars with no titles?? Any ways of immediately checking vins? Just insane....

Well it's been 48hrs since this post. Either @tps3443 scored that Astral or he spent the day filing a police report.... 🤑 Oh yeah I'll definitely wait for a deal to manifest on a marked down or used one.... AMD Radeon issues have returned to WoW.....again. Absolute crashing and graphic artifacting entering Azeroth. Spent the last hour diagnosing the wife's system and final diagnosis: DX12 driver timeouts...ended up having to switch back to DX11 for now. Not sure what changed since server reset, but here we are...... again. DDU and tried the last 6 releases including the newest (she was running Feb 2026 drivers). Simpler and smarter could be achieved without it needing to be smaller or perhaps smaller but larger and robust connectors as an offset.

I like the QHD option. I saw a FullHD option too on the 18" model but it was only for the 285hx as far as I could see. 9955HX3D would absolutely rip at 1080p but that resolution might be a bit too low. I'll have to put the Raider back on my list as it seems to check all the boxes. The one big hangup I had with it was potentially only having the 4k display option as I prefer QHD or FHD. Nice that MSI is selling directly through BB marketplace so you can get that 5% in rewards too. I figured you weren't going to go cold turkey across the board @Papusan! 🤣 I think that might be my first 5090FE burning up with the original tentacle. He seems to have been doing his due diligence too from leaving it plugged in even during GPU swaps to always giving it a check to make sure it was seated. Hmmm..... No one is safe from this catastrophe of a connector. If only he had invested in a Wireview Pro 2..... 🤣 Nice insight, thanks! (Looks over at shelf with extra Red Devil 9070xt sitting there bored).... I just need to find games I would play that really benefit from FG

I ended up adding fishing, mining and enchanting to the wife's toon to, ah, "enhance" her WoW experience. 🤣 She actually likes it and it is a steady stream of mats. I do mining and blacksmithing for the weapons and armor. Alt does jewelcrafting and engineering. I ended up returning the Asus because I just can't do 16" displays. 18"+ and I'd prefer a 20"+ behemoth if possible. It was also very buggy in Asus fashion but that 9955HX3D was beast just like the 7950HX3D in that MSI for WoW and especially Fallout 76. Are you going to keep the MSI Raider? It sounds like it is holding it down and then some. How is the noise overall vs the older X3D/4090? I know those fans were hard to tame vs Intel. I swear that stupid Aorus Extreme WB 5090 was the most unicorn of cards in the US. While not always, the higher voltage cards usually rise to the top all things considered equal. Just like the 5090s, that trickles down to the 5080s especially since you can run the 450w BIOS and give it a nice bit of headroom. Was the original used Zotac opened up / repadded from the original user? I used the NVCPL for years, switched to their new app last year then switched back. Didn't hate it, but it served no purpose for my needs at the time but I'll move to it as ordered by the Galactic Empire.... Crapping on the Vanguard is crapping on the Suprim too lol.... +1 PCIE fuse ~0 no 12vfail fuse (this one is a personal preference of his) -1 MSI locking down schematic leaks (this would be a bad move) -1 buck converter choice (I'm going to assume) I am unsure why the original owner didn't send it in for Warranty repair to MSI directly. It has a 3yr warranty and the warranty transfers...... "There is no best brand. All these brands are screwing up one way or the other...." - Tony. Extreme to suggest lifting your core/memory and transplanting it to another PCB. I wouldn't worry about anything (if even valid) till the warranty is expired and there is a good chance we will all have moved on to 6090's by then.....in theory 🤣 Yeah, very bad lifestyle choices there @Papusan. I'm a lifelong non smoker, so I can't begin to understand the addiction portion, but I've seen every single one of my siblings (all 7 of them), both parents, both granddads, father in law and even my own daughter struggle with kicking the habit or not kicking it at all so I understand. The quickest way to start healing your body and greatly reduce your stroke risk is to go vegan, eliminate added sugar, stop smoking and limit yourself to 1-2 drinks a day. That of course is the macro outlook of the problem and it is easier said than done. Every time you smoke, even vape, that nicotine causes micro aggressions on your vascular system with violent restrictions of your vessels along with a host of other issues. 36 a day? No way to quick cold turkey, but mixing in nicotine gum/patch and timing out your smoking sessions to twice their interval is the best start. Sugar and heavy meat diet raises your triglycerides and overall cholesterol. I'll assume you don't have any diabetic or pre-diabetic conditions. If you do, it is even worse from both sources. To a much lesser extent but in the here and now, coffee/caffeine also has to be monitored and lessened. As someone who struggled with high blood pressure, the quickest way I brought it down was switching primarily to a plant based way of eating and limiting meat to 1-2 a week. I LOVE my meat, but if I keep eating it, no matter what I do or the quality of the source, my blood pressure will slowly creep back up. The worse quality, especially beef and pork, the quicker it will return. I get a bit more leeway if I stick to fish. Your body has been redlining for quite some time. Every step you take to treat it better will be a breath of fresh air to it in so many ways. 💙

Unfortunately supply and demand still rule the day and AI has really given AIBs and OEMs a level of control and power setting prices that is unprecedented in the tech circle because they know almost 50% (or more) of production capacity is already earmarked for SSDs, memory and GPU orders are booked for months if not years ahead so whatever is left over they can price aggressively but with some pricing I think we're seeing consumers simply aren't buying and "deals" and prices have started to fluctuate. For perspective, in their last quarterly call, Nvdia has now moved gaming into the "edge computing" category which is essentially their "other" column it is that insignificant to them atm. The one saving grace for AMD is their GPUs aren't nearly desired for AI as Nvidia or they would be doing the same too. AMD's best AI products simply can't compete. If they were on Nvidia's level, 9070xt's would be $1200+ easily simply because they would be selling out of their AI Pro R9700 cards. Intel reverse uno'd us with the B70 and we never received a proper B770. Instead they slapped on 32GB, made it an AI card and now sell it for $1k. Just as dirty. It's just gross out there right now and I hope consumers wake and realize corporations will jettison them without hesitation for profits..... Clicking though to Igor's, it is interesting to see the staggered costs based on costs and how the prices are predicted to rise. It makes sense even going back to last August when I was saying over and over time to by a 5090 because costs will be shooting up soon. If you missed the insanely good prices earlier this year or last holidays, it wouldn't hurt to get a GPU if you need one but I wouldn't rush. I'm fully saturated with hardware at the moment...even a bit more than I need actually across every category. I'm waiting on Nova at the moment and I plan on selling off some more hardware soon as we make some home improvement and upgrades (along with a strong decluttering) to top off the tax "victory" and purchasing myself a shiny Nissan Armada. This was insane to watch and Tony basically trying to help customers not waste his time or theirs and the sheer amount of scammers out there and core/memory devoid GPUs there are floating around. My favorite was the guy who said he could see the GPU core and worked for NBCNews in their AI/Web/Whatever department and the core and memory were gone on that Zotac. I mean, what's the end game here lying? Tony is just going to rip it open and clearly see the core and memory are gone and back it goes. At least he let him keep it most likely as payment / wasting his time but still..... If you're buying, test it before buying and never let it leave your possession. If you have to, drag your whole damn PC to wherever and a small display. If you're selling let the buyer fully see it working on site in person or give them the option to test then it is Zelle or cash and carry only. Be like my bud Matt who set up everything to score a TUF 5090 on FB for $2600 to replace his 3080, made plans to meet and everything. He had several nice voice convos and talked of even more future hardware buy/sells since they were both local. They agreed on the local Starbucks and cash and carry was no problem. At the last minute kinda off the cuff told the guy he would even treat him to a latte while he tested the 5090 since they had outlets and he was bringing a small PC to test the GPU before purchasing since their outlets could handle a basic GPU-Z render test easily and the guy insta ghosted him.....we had a good laugh over that one. I told him I wish he had just shown up with the small PC and a display in the carry bag then as you're removing the PC tell the seller you're going to test it first there and then before buying and watch his reaction.... Scumbags everywhere.... ----------------------------------------------------------------- 270k vs 9850X3D both tuned 270k wins at 4k 1440p is kind a wash X3D wins at 1080p The problem is all the high fps goodness of the 9800X3D can't help with the 1% lows and cache saturation and it then slides into system memory and when you have such a wide variance, the fall is a stuttering mess. I cap my frames for several reasons but this is one of them to keep variance narrowed between 1% and current/avg fps. .1% rarely happen, but on X3D you know when it does..... X3D cache saturation which I've been saying for years now at higher resolutions (and even lower depending on settings) since testing the 7800X3D vs the 13900KS at 4k 2+ years ago is the blessing and the curse.... Unoptimized slop and X3D looks like a wrecking ball. Both optimized? as always, things get real close, real fast. One reason X3D absolutely shines on laptops as @win32asmguy is currently enjoying. Can't wait to see Intel's bllc cache implementation.....

$1k all in is below MSRP on the Zotac and 5080's rip! I am pretty sure if that 5080 FE was flashable, I would have held onto it. Remember on launch how we balked at $1999.99 entry and Asus charging $2799.99 for the Astral was bonkers stupid? Good times..... I plan on riding this $1971 Open box Vanguard 5090 till the wheels fall off..... I wonder if anyone has done a deep dive to see what is the best bang:buck combo for this render / FG combo? ---------------------------------------------------------- Overall, if you remove the 5090 from the equation, the 9070xt is in there holding its own especially at its price point even against the 5080 in pockets.

Excessive coil whine is an instant return/sell off no matter the card. Remember when 3090s were so hard to get on launch and I scored that 3090FE from BB? It was good for about a month then suddenly developed the most insane coil whine I've ever heard. I sold it off near cost just to get it out of my face and limped along with a 3060 for months till I got my 3090KPE. That is how much I can't do excessive coil whine..... I would probably take that EVGA P+ 1300 outside and go Office Space on it like it was a copier...... 🤣

That's a good idea using that invoice for warranty work unless the original buyer registered it already..... Newegg has bundle deals for the "limited edition" Asus Matrix 5090 if you want to continue spending that stupid money ranging from ~4900 to ~6100 before tax.... https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=601469153 100007709 8000 50001315&d=5090+matrix&Order=2 Scary thing is this is MSRP..... Rev three needs a locking fold over clamp that can't move over time or a complete redesign would be even better.... X3D is the magic sauce especially at lower resolutions and on laptops where memory is so gimped. It is even worse in Fallout 76. I tested an open box Asus 16" with a 9955X3D and 5070ti against my Alienware at QHD and even with a 5070ti it just stomped that 275hx into the ground on laptops vs the 275hx. It isn't even fair. You are absolutely right. On Desktop with tuned clocks and especially memory, WoW on Arrowlake, especially at 4k, is a smooth ride. I'm expecting Nova Lake to couple Intel's overall superiority with finally admitting a big cache makes a huge difference. I haven't been this excited for a new architecture since Alderlake. If Intel REALLY wants to make us happy, offer a special edition 8, 10 or 12 P core only monolithic variant of Nova with that monster cache and watch gamers flock back to Intel in droves. I've been using 4.11. Definitely re creating with 4.14.... It shouldn't be this hard and seems a tad morally sus to keep pounding useless features (aka data collection and more) down our throats when we simply want the option to NOT want it and categorize it properly as "optional" and not have to use it. Forced account creation Tying One Drive more and more to the ecosystem Store features rammed down our throats data collection everywhere "Cloud everywhere!" AI propagation everywhere.... I want Windows to be Windows 7 levels of tied to M$ and that's it. I'd prefer XP levels, but I'll compromise at 7. You are an OS first and foremost, be one. My M$ account was recently reset due to suspicious behavior. 2FA was the wall they slammed up against in the end. Easy enough to recover, but this is why I have nothing and I do mean NOTHING tied to my M$ account and nothing of importance ever gets done through Edge, ever. If someone was actually able to login and gain access to it even briefly, I know their initial elation was immediately followed by groans of disappointment in the barren ghost town that are my online repositories. Most of my family and friends are fully doubled down in the M$ cloud and One Drive, but I jettisoned that eons ago when Windows Phone died a painful death and I went back to iPhone. You'll be back soon enough..... 🙂

Best possible outcome. Feels like when my EVGA 1600w P2 started to falter a few months ago and I couldn't lock down where the failures or sporadic errors were coming from and had to start from the ground up to isolate the PSU. The cables really are the weakest link this time around. I know with my 4090 and 5090 I kept the pigtail plugged in at all times even when swapping out. Many times for motherboard upgrades I would remove the GPU from the slot and lay it still connected on the lower part of the case. Could have been just the absolute pounding you gave that cable and the limited times you have to plug and unplug it before it starts to degrade.....which is insane to think on a cable meant to handle 600w+..... Gigabyte Gaming OC cards in general are not built that great. Master and Elite cards get the love. Glad you're back up and running! Let us know which one is the superior GPU. I'm curious to see vmax, best OC, best UV and overall temps head to head. The only real way to do it now is to use the dreaded tentacle for a few reasons to bench multiple cards: #1. You can keep the 12vfail connector connected at all times #2. It makes it easy to bench and test traditional 8-pin PCIE GPUs since you have 4x 8-pin leads at your disposal.

The fact you suffered several small strokes and escaped relatively unscathed is such a blessing. Your body is telling you to get that stress and blood pressure under control ASAP. Even if your BP runs high the medicines will greatly slow stiffening of the arteries and sudden spikes. That is the real magic of them for potential strokes and heart attacks. My mom had a small stroke at 59 because her sugars were high (A1c = 13+), cholesterol through the roof (300+) and blood pressure through the roof (190/100+) daily due to no exercise and a horrific diet along with bad medicine management and genetics. She figured she could eat whatever she wanted and just had to slam a needle full of insulin into her leg and that would do the trick. She actually went into a coma for two weeks. Testing showed she had suffered many small strokes undetected at the time. Came out scared, followed the program religiously dropped weight, got much healthier then 4 months later fell off and went back to her old habits even though was on her like cold on ice but to no avail. Gained back all the weight plus some extra. A year later she suffered a major stroke, lost all function of her left side, impaired speech and passed away a few months later. She was 60. This is the time you take control brother. Genetics are what they are, but you control how you move and what you eat. If you're a smoker, time to quit. Heavy drinker? Time to cut back. Time to get that diet under control, get your medicines sorted out and come back as @Papusan 2.0 meaner and grumpier! 🤣❤️

"Like New" Asus Z890 Maximus Hero with thermal paste everywhere and a fully bent back pin in the top right corner....smudges all over the place and the secondary heatsink has stripped screws somehow that won't allow it to be lifted off...... Well played Amazon Resale....well played..... Less than 20min after receipt drop off return set for our local Staples.... --------------------------------------------------------- Might as well take it apart and take a look then. Might be a thermal compound placement issue, stress issue or something else you can see. The fact it even lets you game for ~10 minutes is encouraging. Make sure to run individual stress tests on the VRAM and Core separately. If it is defective, hopefully it is a memory module at worse or a minor board issue. Did you at least reach back out to the seller since he's local? -------------------------------------------------------------- Looking good? I just saw 1.0.6 of the WVP2 software is available while I was giving my system the ultra clean install / updates. I do have a question, do other 5090 owners get a default driver from M$ for their 5090s? I never have for my Vanguard and can't remember if I got one for my Astral or Ventus in the past on clean install and letting Windows run its updates. It's always M$ Basic Video Adapter which works for me.

Back to the seller it goes! How did you pay for it? Zotac warranties are non-transferable last I checked so hopefully you can return it.