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After the death of EVGA, MSI moved into my top slot and surprisingly Asrock is climbing quickly too. The MSI 1300w 12vhpwr PSU is crazy quiet. Then again, my EVGA 1600w P2 is crazy quiet and holding it down too. Congrats! Life is about to get crazy hectic in the best way.

(While visions of 5090's and Taichi x870e equipped 9950X3Ds float through my head)

If you're looking for 285k's, Central Computers has combos with discounts they will ship right to you If you want just the CPU, Antonline has them for $699 (marked up by $80) Also on Amazon from Ant and Spicy Bomb for $699. Definitely not worth ANY type of mark up (if at all), but you can see levels starting to catch up in pockets.

Agreed, if it is a simple bios selection that is fine. If it goes the way of a "special" Bios only available to some and I have to track it down that is irritating but I'll manage. If it turns out to be a temperature detect feature enabled only, I will be pissed off.

Very true! For my desktop, power draw is of zero concern, but for gaming laptops it does come into play. All I want is a DTR with a proper desktop AM5 platform. But you have to respect the PPW of AMD and especially Apple M4 with insane PPW. Just bonkers good stuff. Seeing as how the M4 Max is equal or better than M2 Ultra in so many benchmarks and tests, the M4 Ultra is going to be an absolute monster. Most likely to prevent any type of degradation but still a slap in the face of those who know how to use it responsibly.

Another tuned vs tuned matchup 9800X3D vs 14900KS:

Glad you got it sorted Bro! Expo is definitely not as robust/mature as XMP and we all know even XMP has its issues. Best bet has always been manual tuning for AMD. It just works better. I slowly dial things in over the course of a week or so and lock it down. My 7600X could do 2133/2200 so I could go 6400/6600 properly but no such luck on the 7950X3D. I am so hoping AMD drops a dual X3D 9950X3D. To me, that's end game and then some. lol, that wallet pain. Time for a time out for cool down while you get it ready for those first day/week 5090 runs for us! 🤣

14900KS vs 9800X3D deep dive: Still has cache saturation issues (not much you can do about that). Dip has decreased in pockets. Depending on game, 14900KS wins or 9800X3D wins. No universal winner as expected. Final analysis: Still has some 7800X3D problems and max tune vs max tune, monolithic 14900KS is the better GAMING CPU overall as once you're outside of that cache for whatever reasons, Intel is still king. So what do you want? Basically, figure out what are your go to games and/or games that use a dynamic/JIT/Realtime texture loading mechanism favor Intel. Doesn't bode well for WoW and those dips/chunk on 7950X3D/7800X3D vs 14900KS. That has always been an issue for WoW and AMD. I prefer to have smoother gameplay at all times. As I noted before, dragonflight moves so quick with so many assets streaming that it along with raids just make AMD chunk/dip very badly. It basically doesn't exist for tuned Intel. I'm sure Fallout 76 would go from a greased pig to a greased pig on steroids with the 9800X3D. 🙂

Intel is really in a precarious position right now and once mindshare and perception shifts fully to AMD, they could find themselves no longer the standard bearer for x86. Nevermind ARM gaining market share at an alarming rate and we have Nvidia coming on next with CPUs..... The fact @Mr. Fox and @Talon have finally taken the plunge to run systems in tandem and like what they see so far is very telling in and unto itself. Personally, I love dipping in and out of AMD, Intel and Nvidia hardware since 2005 with X2 and FX from AMD and going back and forth with ATI and Nvidia then AMD and Nvidia. I just love hardware!

But of course bro! 👊

They are the G.Skill F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5RK 2x32GB A-die sticks I picked up over a year ago. I held onto them for my future build (most likely x870e Taichi and 9800X3D or 9950X3D). I never used any of the built in timings. I just did them manually like I usually do. I don't have my timings on hand as the x670e Carbon and 7950X3D were sold (Ihave a lowly 7600x + Prime B650e on the secondary rig right now with 2x16GB 6000 M-die), but I think I posted them in this thread somewhere when I was helping out @Raiderman with his x670e Carbon. They had no problems running 6000, 6200 or 6400 even but 6000 tightened up much better overall. 7800X3D and 7950X3D both capped out at 2133 for 1:1. My 7600x can do 2200 so I should retest them in there. Everything was tested at 1:1. Edit: I went back and checked my attachments here and found a posting from July 2023 with some of my timings attached from these sticks on my 7800X3D before switching to the 7950X3D in December 2023: Now we're talking! 👊

I'd like to officially welcome @Mr. Fox and @Talon to not only Team Red, but also more important the even rarer Team Purple for those of us who own, test, compare and enjoy both AMD and Intel at the same time. We meet every Wednesday at the local Dennys. 🤣 (You also have a bit more insight as to why my RGB color scheme is routinely purple FYI)

Yeah, when it hits, it hits. Like I said before, something like Fallout 76 where it all fits in the cache is scary faster than Intel. Tuned across both, and especially with APO and 8200+ tuned, you see Intel inch ahead in WoW. I really want to test 285k, but that platform cost shut me down for now. I found Hogwarts was a ripper on X3D too. Can't wait to see the 4090 results with it. I'm curious about BF2042 because it uses so many threads. If the 9950X3D comes with dual X3D, I suspect it may take the lead but that's a big if. If it is still the single X3D design, I'm gonna be a little disappointed. 🙂 I would LOVE to see Intel embrace extra cache. Let's call it Intel Burst Cache (IBC).... 🤣 Absolutely true. For those of us who are going to manually tune, degradation isn't as much of a problem but as we found in the OC forums, people were still pushing too hard within their own control limits and still degraded their chips. Problematic for Intel out of the box and went on for so long and required multiple fixes which means even they couldn't figure it out during the first two mc updates.

It's scary when you opt to run both platforms and realize the FUD on 13th/14th gen along with AMD. That's why I love that initial OOB experience of furnaces and/or piss poor performance then slowly tune and dial it in, set multiple profiles and everything is running smooth as silk with much better performance and good pull/temps. I saw where AMD is guaranteeing Zen 6 while Intel has been quiet on 1851. So compared to your tuned 14900ks, how do you feel about the 9800X3D vs it head to head for gaming so far? I'm (trying) to resist the pull till 9950X3D and snag one of those and a Taichi X870e. I do know tuned, the 14900KS 5.9 all core w/ APO + 8400 2x24GB definitely was the winner overall vs my tuned 7950X3D + 6000 2x32GB tuned for WoW. With how the 7950X3D/7800X3D was a monster with Fallout 76 even vs the 14900KS rig, I am sure the 9000X3D would be a ripper.

AMD has higher latency overall than Intel on average but do you have a Zen Timings and Aida screen shot? I ran 2x32GB but at 6000 CL28 and tightened up and was in the low 60's IIRC.