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So the PNY Epic-X Overclocked ARGB 5090 at $3399 now costs more than the Astral at $3359?? Hmmmm, I will have to watch a review on it. I have no idea what the game or premise is about. Well yeah, if you're pushing clocks a crash is obvious but the idea is to be able to recover without a hard reset which I've found to be the case with 576.02. Maybe things will change when I actually start pushing voltages and power limits vs everything now being at stock power config? Dunno....

5090 + 9800X3D WoW 99% utilization Stock vs OC (+300 / +3000) = ~13% uplift. Yeah, I'll take that. I didn't realize my OC was only +300 when I took that first OC shot in Oribos so some room to play with later. 5090 OC 210fps (+300 / +3000) vs 4090 OC (+210/225 / +1500) 135fps = ~56% uplift. I'll confirm this by testing the 5080 FE here and extrapolating vs 5080 FE stock vs 4090 OC. Also test 5080 FE stock and OC in the same location too vs Astral 5090. I expect the gap to close down to ~45% Stock: OC: Whoa..... Just give it a clean install! 😁 noice! congrats! I keep telling myself the same thing with this expensive piece of gear aka Astral 5090: "You know the last 4 cycles since the 1080ti, you've sold all your GPUs after a few years for as much if not more than you paid....6090 will probably be a train wreck....AMD sucks again for WoW compared to Nvidia with problems galore on the 9070xt....240fps in delves at 4k Ultra with the 5090"

lol, I'm just glad to have a new testing spot that can cap out this 5090. My old spot, especially overclocked, just had the 5090 giggling.... "MSI Suprim 6090 with 48gb of memory now on sale for $3999.99!!" I'll be curious to see your results, but since 576.02 zero hard reboots. I just give it a few seconds after freezing and it recovers. I will readily admit, I didn't expect the 5090 to have the extra room in the tank.... Oh, TSE is my overnight 6hr run since it simulates a max length (in theory) gaming session for moi. My final boss. It is probably a holdover from when I used to use P95 for my CPUs and an hour or so would pass, but 5-6hrs would root out instabilities. Same as my CPU and memory final stress tests. If I can pass a 6hr run, I are super golden to my standards. I can't get onboard for 24hr runs for some reason like others for CPU/GPU/MEM. 1/4 of that is MORE than enough for myself. Still, an hour is probably good enough..... 😁

We found it! 5090 99% Utilization in WoW even overclocked! Oribos, my old friend (Shadowlands) to the rescue! The former stomping ground of GPU slaying rises up once more. 🙂 This will be my new test spot for GPUs in WoW from this point on. If it can bring a 5090 OC'd to its knees (well, I mean 210fps but still), can't wait to see how the 5080 FE does....

It really comes down to having the ability to extract as much performance as possible out of your 5090 by being able to flash vBIOS from other makes and models without being restricted by Nvidia. I mean, it is their in house model being offered so I get it, but they've done this before. No way I'd run 1k as a daily, but fun benchies? Yes please. Beefy enough heatsink to handle it? Double yes please. As @jaybee83 pointed out, lack of dual bios on the FE is a negative too just in case..... The blessings of the FE HSF design is also its curse. Absolutely great for SFF, compact to fit most cases and quite beautiful and stunning in person (I also thought the 4090 FE was an absolutely stunning slab of industrial metal). It's curse is limited thermals resulting in much higher temps overall at similar settings for both memory and GPU temps. In spec? Sure, but it limits you. You can't out Physics, er, Physics... For me, a monster heatsink just lets me run a full tilt D2D OC and not have to worry about extreme temps. If I could keep my room cooler, that would mean even better temps.... that screen shot of a few hours of WoW where my room was heading closer to 90 than 80 still were great temps in the sauna box. If I could keep my room at 70f? Mmmmmmm. Maybe I should get a window AC unit.... For me, it will always be 3Dmark TSE GT2 that for some reason looped will eventually get my GPU. I use Heaven when tuning on the fly to see when I start to artifact but I've found recently on 4090 and especially 5090 I don't really artifact. I just freeze/blank and sometimes recover (recover almost all the time with 576.02). I used to use Kombustor (aka Furmark'ish) but not recently. Then I throw games at it but only the games I play. My general rule is, "I'm stable till the next new game." For WoW, I use that high GPU location, and in previous Xpacs back to Shadowlands, I used Ardenweald which just brutalized my GPUs and hit so hard. I need to revisit that. I did also use Wukong this last time. Fallout 76 can't tax anything lol and it ran fine up to +400 / +3000 at max settings to give you an idea. --- 5090 is just a beast. It really is. I'm pretty much locked into a +325/+3000 D2D now and playing WoW earlier with the wife and that extra bit of ooomph does help shore up the lows a bit more. Since coil wine on this card is so good, I've abandoned 140fps frame lock and now keep it at a proper +238fps for my 240hz OLED display. There's pockets when playing, especially delves, where it is so silky smooth.... --- Again, locked down BIOS controls and no dual bios switch? Hmmmm.... For $2k though, like @tps3443, I'd rock it six ways to sundown all day everyday.... 🤣

That's exactly what it means @tps3443..... Only an FE vBIOS variant will work on an FE not an AIB. 😞 I thought I remember reading that before with FE cards that's why I was asking because I was thinking of flashing either the Astral or Zotac vBIOS if possible on the 5080 FE. Go ahead and flash the Astral and see how it turns out. 5090 FE really is just not designed for a proper D2D OC and/or vBIOS optimizing from other AIBs. Irks me a bit with the 5080 FE to be honest. Best bet is to grab the cheapest non-FE if you want to vBIOS hop, slap a block on it and get to work.

Well, this answers the question 😞 Strike 2....

Is the 5090 FE capable of flashing other vBIOSes?

Hmmm, that is a possibility too. I am just going to give it its own cozy, comfy fresh install drivers only to start and go from there. Office is looking clean and organized! Yeah I'm at +3000 / +325 for pure stability without adding any PL/V fans on auto which is how I would run it D2D gaming/rendering. Stress testing, I started at +400 and that quickly dropped to +350 and extended testing dialed it to +325. Next will be retesting with PL/V limits pushed to max. (You know, the "hard stuff" 🤣) Might need to dial in a "Winter Mode" and "Summer Mode" at this rate of hades. 🤣 Ugh, as much as I want to see the FE on water It is going to pain me to see it dismantled from its stock, factory fresh beauty feat of engineering lol..... Can the FE's cross flash vBIOS? If so, that and a block will really let it fly.... 2nm Intel does get me jonsin' for it so we shall see.

Thanks @Mr. Fox! Yeah, something is off. My 9070xt: Maximum is in range, but Avg and Min is off. Compared to my 5080 FE same rig: Your numbers seem to be more inline with what I would expect to see fro a 9070xt. 5090 doesn't count. It is over here taking the wind out of everything...... The 9070xt was slapped in on a pre-existing install that has seen 3-4 graphics cards swapped in and out. I'm going to give it its own clean install and see how that does for re-testing.

It is a small office and I always keep the door open. It is even by the blower/intake but I found the 3090 was ok. 3090ti was not as it tipped over that point where the open door could keep it cool. I think somewhere in this thread I even noted the potential issue of the 5090 turning my computer room into a sauna seeing as the 3090ti already did it and it was pulling ~500w max. Crazy as I was playing watching the temp on my wall clock just keep climbing lol. 4090 was perfect as it always came in under 500w unless benching even pushed in WoW. 5080 FE obviously is even better never going above ~325w in WoW. It was only ~80f outside today. This will be unsustainable in the summer where it will routinely be 90f+ daily and in the 80's at night. The one good thing with a good overclock is better lows even with fps capped to 144 to keep temps down but sheesh. Even the CPU temps went up. When the room stays around 70f, CPU temps are in the high 50s but with the room hitting 83f+ it was hitting ~65c. First World Problems.... 🤣

NOTE: This was playing completely uncapped as I was searching for a GPU Util >=99% spot while playing. If I cap it back to 140fps, all these # will drop accordingly while also boosting lows OC'd. --- And as we start to head into the warmer months (and it is going to get MUCH warmer), my biggest fear (and previous downfall) is ambient temps in a small computer room with a portable furnace pumping out 550w+ of heat..... I had this problem with the KP3090ti when it was pulling ~500w playing WoW OC'd and now here we are with 600w. It was one of the factors of why I sold it off as it was basically unusable as is in the summer and I had to UV it to make the room usable. 4090 ran cool enough with a UV that the room would usually only heat up maybe ~5c tops overall as the heat output equalized with the cool air exchange via the door to keep it relatively even. Room started at 68f and less than a few hours room was 84f and climbing playing WoW which causes the GPU and other components to heat up lol....Every once in awhile the central AC would kick on and push it back a degree or two but then it turned off because the rest of the house wasn't roasting on Satan's arse..... When I stopped playing within ~30min it had dropped down to 73c and falling.... Stepping out of the room into the rest of the house is like stepping from outdoors on a warm to hot day into AC.... This was not a problem with the 5080 FE obviously as it ran cooler than even the 4090. This is less than two hours of WoW +3000/+350 no PL/V adjustments and the room is flat out toasty and yes the door is WIDE open. If I have to apply a major UV just so my computer room doesn't go KABOOM! What's the point? Wonder if I can find a device that will fan my door back and forth? 🤣

Maybe "fun stuff" would have been more appropriate.... 🤣

I honestly did not think a 5090 could NOT do +3000 hmmmm.... I haven't really collected a lot of data yet, but I also assumed everybody could do at least +300 (I assumed every 5090 out of the box could at least do +3000/+300 as a starting point) and most could do +350. I can do +3000 / +350 with zero PL/V adjustments and that is just how I've been running it the last few days rock solid with PX1. I was going to start testing for max PL sliders / voltage next week to find the "hard stuff" That was my bad for not collecting results like I normally do with CPUs......

This in spades. Get *exactly* what you want within the criteria you want. There was a reason I had the FE, Suprim and Astral (small, medium, large) on my list with their own criteria each. I said it months ago, whichever one drops first at MSRP I'll grab it. Only exception really is if you plan on blocking the card then grab the cheapest one possible that supports cross vBIOS flashing and the block you want and go. This test is noise normalized so not exactly representative of top end cooling, but it still gives you a very strong idea of controlled cooler strength. Like I said @tps3443 you can't out argue physics. 🤣