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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Yeah that's the perfect resolution for that panel. I remember when I had the 4k option for a P870DM laptop with the desktop 980 and it was huffin and puffin to render games properly. That was my first and last 4k laptop panel. Now it is always 1080p or 1600p. I''ve tested numerous Acer laptops. Outside of their thin and light models, they are built like a tank and usually have good cooling and loud af fans. ---- Watching Best Buy this morning and 5070ti's sold out (all 4 of them they offered), but it wasn't immediate and the last model, the $970 Gigabyte OverPriced Edition, took almost 40 minutes to sell out. Lack of common sense kicking in again..... NE has the 5070ti MSRP models ($749.99) on the Shuffle today. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Right now is that cross over time we always encounter when old models are EOL'd and new models are scarce. As a result, even older models momentarily rise in price before falling back down. For example, a month ago, the 7900xtx could be found for $929 and lower. Now? $1300+ everywhere. Same with Nvidia. Three months ago, 4070 Supers, TIs and more all available at MSRP and sometimes on sale. Same with 4080 Supers 4 months ago. 4090's for $1500 or less easily 4+ months ago. 6 months from now, prices will plummet because the 5000 series (and 9000 series from AMD to a degree) will begin to saturate the market and older models will drop down to their proper place. Patience is the key. This is literally the third cycle in a row now I've watched this happen exactly as predicted. If you have a spare 4090, sell it now if you want maximum return on your card and then some. If you're scalping or selling your 5080/5090, now is the time to do it as all they're going to do is continue to lose value. I'm watching 5090's (especially FEs) start to languish a bit on eBay when priced closer to 6k when they were flying out the door at launch for 6k+ and more. I now see some hanging around at right around $5k and several "on sale" from their 6k range down into the upper 4k range. Or if you're happy with your Ampere and Ada cards hold onto them and just continue to enjoy them. Welcome back bro! Don't let the grumpy old men on the porch get you down. Enjoy your new portable power. What's the resolution for the mLED display? This extended road trip I'm on atm is just the beginning of a lot of travel I have this year for work and pleasure so I wanted a big screen laptop with decent power to game, work and stay connected. Since when I get back I'm breaking down my main desktop rig to rebuild with the x870e Hero with the 5080 FE, my laptop is modeled after my desktop atm and my current desktop install is officially EOL'd so when I get back I'll be living off my laptop for a few days while I make the transition before heading out again later next month. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Given time, prices will normalize back to MSRP across all the cards. It always does. Same with CPUs. Patience = save $$$ -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Outside of outlandish MSRPs now even if you can find them atm, I expect prices to normalize for xx80 cards by summer if not even sooner. xx90 cards I expect to slowly tamp down in price but it will be a slower process. I'm noticing 5090 cards are slowly dropping on eBay and some are languishing now at the 5k+ price point or taking longer to move. You always have to clear out that first wave of buyers who have more money than sense and will snap up those cards at almost any cost. Patience by GnR is in order right now.... Ditto. I just don't want it anymore..... Combination of traveling atm along with seeing the 5080 FE hit the same CPU bottlenecks as my 4090 with WoW and FO76 before leaving has me very meh atm to drop $2k+.... -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
We all know with waiting we will get the tech we want at MSRP. It has always been this way and I will always wait for MSRP no matter how much I want something and when the market saturates on most products I routinely switch to picking up used versions of the same items as long as I can lock in their warranties as needed. This is usually on laptops and GPUs primarily followed by motherboards second. You did good Padawan..... .....you did good. 🤣 -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Looking mean and clean. The problem will always be the connectors look good till they don't but I also think the issue gets overblown and those who take good care of their cards will on average be ok. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
We saw a tale of two cities with AMD. During Ampere/Crypto, we saw a card that had raster almost on the level of the 3090 AND demand that was so insane AMD couldn't keep them in stock either and their market share rose and shook Nvidia. Ada era they lost out on performance, RT and the market wasn't as hungry and when given a choice, buyers flocked to Nvidia and their marketshare dropped noticeably. Now? They are losing even more and potentially pricing even worse and they just don't have the mind space of gamers like Nvidia. They have had the opportunity twice now to really price their cards competitively to make in roads but it looks like they are again content to not really attack the low and mid like Intel is doing atm. I was hoping AMD focused on the mid market and really came out with a banger of a card priced insanely competitively. ----- Then of course we now have Nvidia ramping up production of the 5090 so hopefully scalpers get zinged and buyers can get cards but the initial MSRP pricing is gone now and I'm afraid cards will remain priced as they are even purchased at MSRP: https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-gb202-gpu-supply-for-rtx-5090-set-to-increase-retailer-has-147-rtx-5080-cards-but-not-selling-them-separately Anybody who paid the prices asked for 5080s and 5090s....whew.....that's gonna hurt just to be first. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
If the newest pricing drops are true, then the 9070xt is coming in at $749.99 and matching the 5070ti. Now what remains to be seen is how it performs against it once we get some real reviews. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
They have made some inroads with WoW multithreading though. Remember back during the first half of WoW's life everything was single threaded. Now it is dual threaded-ish+.... But yeah WoW loves frequency, IPC and tight timings. I liked the Scar 18, but the 13th gen had ridiculous amounts of screen bleed and that was its biggest complaint. They fixed it a bit in 14th gen. BIOS options are a little limited in that you could UV the CPU by -0.080 but that was it. Every bit helped though. Zero CPU or memory tuning beyond that unlike MSI. I thought out of all the gaming laptops I've used recently it was one of the quietest and/or had better fan harmonics. Loved the keyboard. Hated Armory Crate and unfortunately that is a requirement. 14th i9 just runs hot and taming it to not bounce off throttling temps was a constant battle. Compared to this MSI Raider 18 I've had with me the last 3 days on the road, I like the spacing of its keyboard better. CPU runs much cooler. Much more BIOS control over memory and CPU than Asus. No need to run Mystic Light just Steel GG to control the lighting and everything else in BIOS. I actually use a Steel Series desktop keyboard and while the keyboard is good, it isn't even close to their desktop counterpart. Fans are louder and more aggressive than the Scar which isn't making much sense since the 7945HX3D runs really cool. 4090 runs stupidly cool especially compared to the 4080 in the Scar but that could be an issue of the 14900HX and 13980HX sucking up all the cooling it can get from the shared heatsink vs the 7950HX3D. 4090 Mobile + QHD really brings good fps for Fallout 76 and WoW. 18" display really is a major factor for laptops for me. I can get by with a smaller screen, but on the go? Definitely bigger is better. I'd like a 19" MALX or 21" Predator sequel anyday. It will have to flat out seriously outpace a 5070ti to be viable at that price and the RT uplift has to be as meaningful or it is DOA at $849. The 9070XT will be as impressive as its price allows, period. If it comes in below a 5070ti, it will be impressive. If it comes in above it, it will not be impressive unless it can perform like a 4080 SUPER at that price. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
After my first foray into using the Cablemod 1.0 adapter that failed with black screens on my 4090 Liquid, I am more than content to use the proper supplied tentacles that puts the entire chain of ownership on the AIB if anything goes wrong. I have zero desire to take a chance purely for the sake of aesthetics. I rocked the tentacle on my 4090 for almost two years and I'm rocking the tentacle now on my 5080 FE. I saw the bot watch results of BB drop earlier, and apparently it was the 5090 FE, 5080 FE and the rest were five variations of the Gigabyte 5080 (Windforce OC, Aorus Master Ice, Gaming OC, Aorus Master, Aero SFF OC) Even with a bot, there are better, faster and quicker bots out there all ready to pounce on those 5090's along with individuals just refreshing and queuing and hoping. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
I'll be curious to see how the bot works out. Imagine all the other bots out there competing along with Best Buy releasing in waves and regional only which is a blessing and a curse. Hopefully you're using a remote service or set up a proper proxy so your IP doesn't get flagged from BB. That is how BB always does drops. They release in waves over the course of a few hours. Then come the dreaded regional ghost drops which stand zero chance of going through. My 5080 FE was a weird fluke. I hit the buy button then it timed out. I thought it didn't go through but then ~90 min later I got an update that my card had been charged and an order confirmation. I'm in that frame of mind if a 5090 happens across my way and it is the model I want, I'll snag it because why not? But on the other hand, I'm not just going to grab whatever presents itself especially since my tech budget took a couple of big hits in the last month (9800X3D combo, MSI 18 raider). You have to understand too the FE models have always been the most desired of all the cards the last 3 generations (5090, 4090, 3090). Why? I dunno, but I was able to snag the 4090 and 3090 FEs in due time. My order is officially based on price first now: #1. 5090 FE because of price ($1999.99) #2.MSI Ventus because of price ($1999.99) #3. Suprim because if I'm paying a premium, it will be the card of my choice. I don't care for any other MSI model in the premium space It still boggles my mind that the Suprim 5090 is $1k+ more than the Suprim 4090..... I still have major reservations about the 5090 FE due to repeated insane reports of coil whine and auxiliary electronics noise. It is crazy how many people with them are complaining versus other brands. Other concerns are the temps and constant fan noise even at idle most times. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Which models did you queue up? I slept right through the drop knowing it was coming lol. I have some serious road travel ahead of me while a couple of buddies house sit for me, so I mapped out every MC on the way (about 7 of them. 10 if I really want to go off course) I'm going to stop at every one just to ask if they have any 5090s and maybe take a pic of myself in front of each one. Add a bit of fun to break up the monotony of driving. Plus the randomness of their trucks pulling in at all times of the morning to afternoon. Total dynamic chaos at its best. Just my luck the only one available will be a stray 5090 Astral LC..... The writing was on the wall with Asus early release prices for their 5090 scar laptops coming in at $4200. Everything is going to be crazy priced with inflation, tariffs and demand all in play. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Definitely in my thoughts and prayers @Mr. Fox. Here's to a speedy and most proper road to recovery! -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
My ideal scenario was to snag a 5080 FE and a 5090 Suprim or FE (hence my screen shot on launch day with both queued up). Play with the 5080 FE especially that form factor and engineering beauty (assuming I got a Suprim instead of an FE.....SUPRISE! Neither for me! (NO SOUP FOR YOU!) 🤣) and then either sell it or pass it down to replace the wife's 3080. Market factors = me using the 5080 FE, but I gotta admit, it's a compact, beautiful banger of a card that is fun to OC and has a lot less chance of blowing out your power connector. I'm running into CPU bottlenecking almost on the same level as my 4090 in WoW and FO76 at just stock. In what world do you buy a $1600+ (w/ tax) 5080 when you already have a 4090? That was the right call. If you even contemplated that, you go get a block for your 4090 and call it a day. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
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