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Loving the updated HWInfo for WVP2 along with the MSI MEG 1600T data..... Still boggles my mind MSI stepping me up to the AI1600T as a replacement. I wonder if they took a gander at my "registed product" history and went "whoa!" including the Vanguard 5090 🤣 But with all things taken into consideration, and the effective death of EVGA, MSI is my favorite and has been for quite awhile. Again, new cable and Pin 2 runs a smidge lower and Pin 6 a smidge higher. This is across three cables (Corsair 600w native, MSI Tentacle, MSI single run AI1600T) and two PSUs (Corsair SL1000 SFX, MEG AI1600T) Only causes a bit of separation closer to 600w. I'm going to go ahead and wire the auto shut off interrupt cable and heat sensors because....well....why not? 90 min of FO76: vs 90 min of WoW Midnight (Harandar Region): -------------------------------------------------------------------- Man, your chip is brimming on golden status running 2200/6400 line my 9800X3D. I tried everything I could to get it stable at 2200/6600 but that was a no go. I was asking for a unicorn though..... I never thought to run tRCDWR so low.... I'll have to give it a whirl.

Nice quick guide and one thing I like (and many other hardware w/ software makers could learn) is to allow the ability to completely decouple software from the hardware or at least allow settings to be retained in the hardware and software uninstalled at a minimum. EVGA installs were minimum and never required them to remain installed with their hardware. It looks like Asus *might* be learning with their new web based approach to setting up various devices and using them. The Armory Crate backlash may have finally caught up to them. No surprise with China. They have over 4x the population size (~1.41billion vs 345million) than the US and continue to advance and grow as a first world, consumer based, high tech market of western proportions at a voracious rate with plenty of disposable income. They are a massive market that continues to grow for consumer goods and products from McDonalds to Nvidia, their citizens want it and companies want to sell it. I wouldn't be surprised if the Steam Survey continues to skew towards them. We went through the same thing with Japan ~30 years ago when exports were grossly larger than imports and they were a tech paradise buying up everything. To realign the market like the world did with Japan will take a bit more coordinated effort with China but eventually a certain level of give and take has to be established. Personally, I've been to China and loved it. I also love all my state side Chinese friends and family. I'd go back in a heartbeat to visit. -------------------------------------------------- As for the drivers, good to see it was yet another bug. My big takeaway from it all with @Mr. Fox testing is EVC2 can override the limitations placed by Nvidia even if accidentally and If they were to implement such a bogus system, all cards would operate normally, better binned / better voltage models would continue to boost better naturally and only if someone tried to implement a decently sized OC would it then cap you at the knees which is trash. Even 5070 owners were reporting being capped when OC'ing. ----------------------------------------------------- Nvidia will continue to "innovate" by offering tiers of cards and performance while restricting memory as much as possible. Based on their need to redirect memory, the 5050 9GB doesn't make sense but the return of the 3060 (GDDR6), 5060 8GB variants and even a 5070 8GB makes sense for their goals. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 5070ti 12GB suddenly appear..... consumers low man on the totem pole as always when push comes to shove.... I installed the newest beta, but the last two I installed, 2101 and 2004, were problematic for me and I actually had to bump my voltage up by .05v to get them stable-ish. Previously they would boot and perform fine at 1.40 but suddenly i needed 1.45 at 8000 (8200 rated TG sticks) to even get them to post let alone pass any tests. I ended up rolling back to 2133/6400 settings with 2101 because it just would not stabilize at 8000 and I was getting sporadic crashes in WoW which can be memory sensitive. Long time players know the dreaded "Memory could not be 'read'" error..... I did notice Asus pulled 2101 completely in favor for 2102 beta for the x870e hero so something must have been off with it. I also noticed this in the notes for 2102 beta "2.Provide additional stability margin during high-frequency DDR5 training. 3.Addresses potential boot failures and stability issues observed on certain Ryzen 9000 configurations." I'm going to run 2133/6400 for a bit on 2102 to make sure it is rock solid, then recertify at 8000 again in a few weeks.

Thanks for giving it a run with the new drivers! Hmmm, even as you scale up the offset (let's say +250) it still holds that voltage and doesn't drop and/or cap your frequency to 3ghz or lower? I am going to give Nvidia the benefit of the doubt and say it is a driver bug just like they had with the fan issue previously, but you never know with Nvidia and locking things down instead of admitting potential defeat with this connector. If this is Nvidia's plan of attack, an EVC2 could prove to be even more valuable for overclockers who want to retain their voltage control if their particular card falls prey to it.

Well look at @Talon making the TPU and YT news! TPU: Intel "Bartlett Lake-S" Flagship Appears, Won't Boot on Consumer Motherboards | TechPowerUp Hopefully more subscribe to your YT channel and get to hear Bill Hader discuss tech! 🤣 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That would definitely help! If, with the 800w and 1000w vBIOS we can just adjust them up manually like with the other Asus 2000w XOC vBIOS (down in this case from 1.15), that rocks. My main issue now are the new drivers from Nvidia purposefully capping voltages when you overclock. The problem looks like the newest drivers might override even native vBIOS relaxing. In the OCN forums, someone running the XOC found they suddenly were limited to 1.025 vs ~1.1450 If this and future drivers put a hard lock on voltages based on certain criteria when overclocking regardless of BIOS limits, that is going to suck. @Mr. Fox any chance you can try the new drivers with your EVC2 and a >+190 core offset to see if it keeps your voltages and clocks suppressed even in the face of a hardware control mod? Those running stock vBIOS and try to OC are getting capped when overclocking and even those running the XOC are suddenly neutered down to 1.025 when overclocking. The good news (?), is if you're not overclocking or doing a mild OC (sub +190), the drivers are decent. Yeah, I slurped the 2500w for my collection as soon as it appeared. 🤣 Seems to be her son murdered her and a few others in the same location before officers put him down. Mental health issues. https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/crime/article314852958.html He didn't start it. Someone else did to help out with funeral and other costs with a cap. I'm ok with GoFundMe requests but I've seen some truly wacky ones. Heck, you could throw one up for a "need" for a Lightning MSI 5090 or RTX 6000 and Threadripper and attach a need/sob story to it or a Kickstarter about how you want to, "Research AI via daily immersion in simulated battlefields" aka play BF6/COD! 🤣 I always have a soft spot for medical GoFundMe because we shouldn't be in a place in this country where people are routinely driven to bankruptcy or financial straights over medical issues. Seeing a few "big name" hollywood stars who had to start one and digging into the hundreds of thousands of dollars they had to spend if not millions for medical treatments is a pretty disgusting statement on the state of our healthcare system in this country while big pharma and insurance companies continue to rake in the profits. On a personal note, I have a very close family member that is having to rip through whatever they have for medical treatments for a variety of ailments that in any other country would be covered and that's with insurance here in the US. It's pretty disgusting. The fact we are one of the few, if only, first world countries without universal health care is pathetic.

I don't know what's more insulting.... Not sending a replacement set which they do have in stock but it now costs almost 3x as much or having the balls to deduct 15% from the refund for the original cost because of use depreciation when in actuality the items valuation depreciation actually increased over two fold..... In this situation, you either offer a product replacement equal or better than sent in for repair. You don't offer a refund because the replacement set is now worth so much more and you DEFINITELY don't then have the cojones to lop off 15% use depreciation. That is absurdly greedy on a gobsmackingly large scale. Not that Silicon Power was ever really on my list except besides a few freebies tossed my way for evaluation, but they will never be on my list to buy pretty much anything. 😠 Heh heh, what I liked most was him flat out saying he won't be soldering on another connector for him. Makes me think Dufus asked if he could also add another connector with the repair and was told, "nah bruh." 🤣 Ended on a sad note, though. His sister was murdered in Washington State. 😞 It was good to see the large outpouring of support though via his sister's gofundme and messaging. ♥️

New Xpac, new central city, same ole performance hit via CPU bottlenecking my 5090 in WoW due to player physics on what is basically still a single threaded engine..... 4k Ultra + RT everything on max. This is before the actual launch. This is early access. When the floodgates open up tomorrow, expect performance to tank even more.... I'm not sure what Blizzard did with the pre-xpac launch patch, but performance suddenly tanked in the previous Xpac in the main city Dornogal and it looks like it will most likely carry over into the new Xpac. RAM memory usage is off the charts now..... ~28GB allocated.... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- MSI Lightning officially listed at my local MC for $5090 https://www.microcenter.com/product/707151/msi-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-lightning-z-overclocked-liquid-cooled-32gb-gddr7-pcie-50-graphics-card Or grab yourself an RTX 6000 for $9500..... https://www.microcenter.com/product/694549/pny-nvidia-rtx-pro-6000-blackwell-workstation-edition-dual-fan-96gb-gddr7-pcie-50-graphics-card On a budget? Snag a Gigabyte Gaming OC 5090 for the low low price of $3500.... https://www.microcenter.com/product/690449/gigabyte-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-gaming-overclocked-triple-fan-32gb-gddr7-pcie-50-graphics-card

EVGA always made sure their top tier chips hit certain boost goals and would hand number their chips and clocks for verification. The 3090ti, like the 3090, came in different classifications with different certified boost clocks certified. Anything more than that was up to the silicon lottery. I loved how the EVGA KPE 3090ti was built along with the FTW 3090ti Ultra which I had picked up May 2022 and returned to Amazon because it was $2199 on launch and not worth it in any way, shape or form but it was a beautifully built card and solid as a tank and ran very cool. Crazy so see even 3090/3090ti prices are some crazy upswings. Bodes well for 4090 owners and 5090 owners for resell value even more but sheesh. lol, what were the pin out readings on the WVP2 when it was >1500w?

Jay disappointed in the Lightning.....and also experiencing the disappointment of a 1000w BIOS meets a 1.030v bin...... 1.030v stock 1.045v maxed Crashes at 3200 Locks at +300 slider Remember last year when I kept saying voltage and stock voltage was important early on here and over on the OCN forums? As we've seen, they go hand in hand especially now that all these 800w/1000w/1200w/2000w BIOS are in the wild. The fact MSI didn't even bin the chips for voltage to at least complement the 800w/1000w BIOS files for normies is crazy. If you're needing EVC2 for a $5500 card after tax to try to even attempt to get your 800/1000w where it needs to be, something is wrong. I'm fine with most FE cards being the baseline for its price and they can afford to be trash voltage bins for the most part, but $5500? Fail MSI. Fail. Timestamped:

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I do memtest, OCCT, TM5 and that locks it in for me so I get it. That is standard across the board. DDR5 Ultra testing has really locked in temps being so finicky way more than any other memory I used before though >=8400. I can definitely see water cooling letting memory rip properly. I've never been one to say, "hey it booted and gave me an Aida score.....I'M STABLE BRUH!" 😅 But yeah, for some it has gotten to that point where they will just keep moving the goal posts instead of just saying, "Nice OC bro!" No I don't need to run my CPU, GPU or memory into the ground to make you feel better or less salty about my OC thank you very much....😉

I flashed numerous P870s from DM up to TM with Dsanke some time back and it was hit or miss. Never hurts to give it a try, but make sure you have a programmer in case it is a miss. You were lucky @Scruffy to have one that worked with the software based flashing, nice.

He runs a pretty beefy MO-RA setup and bins the snot out of his gear each and every cycle and tunes it up pretty good but I don't remember Sugi being into all the Y-cruncher / OCCT/ Karhu e-peen swinging contests so I'm not sure.... Clearly stable enough to game tho! 🤣 Nice! Got to play around with it for almost a year and a bit of pocket change for more toys. Can't ask for more than that. Did you try G4 just to rule out the CPU and focus on the memory and to a degree MB? I did that just to make sure I could lock down the memory as far as the Strix would let me go and it topped out at 9066 G4 but that is what the Strix is rated, so there's that. That was with Memtest, TM5 and OCCT. I know at first glance those Corsair sticks wouldn't even boot and when I finally got them to boot they were problematic at 8200-8400 till I did what always ends up happening and just meticulously hand tuning them. How were the temps over 8400? That might be entering the land of needing a dedicated RAM cooler or janky 120mm/140mm fan over it to keep temps at bay. Did you order the epic edition of WoW? I usually pick it up so I can get 2-3 days of play before the unwashed masses come rushing in and gunk things up. 1984 was a reflection on humans and control. For some reason, we end up with those in power that want to control everything, take everything and overstay their welcome.... What I notice about the 5080 being the most popular on that chart for Nvidia cards is the absolute DOMINATION of AMD 9070xt (#1) and 9060xt (#2) which is nice to see. If they got a bit more realistic with their prices (which they are, as prices are trending back down), they could dominate even more in that segment.

Sugi pushing AM5 rig to the max: 5800 on all cores 9950X3D 8800 C34 5090 running 2500w Lightning BIOS clocking 3427 pretty much rock solid the entire play session

Yeah he just got that 5070ti the other day. I watched the quick unboxing. He's actually one of my favorite YT'ers to watch as he owns multiple platforms, tunes his hardware decently enough and always buys AMD and Nvidia top end cards with a sprinkle of midrange when he wants to bench. He also keeps Intel and AMD platforms too. He's not wrong and I agree with him. Like I said in an earlier post (and the video I posted is the same argument):

Red Devil is so much quieter and boosts higher than my Gigabyte. IMHO, this is the "premier" card to get this generation of 9070xt's especially using 3x 8pin vs 12v2x6. What makes it worse is the positioning of the connector on the Taichi 9070xt which is overly recessed or Nitro+ which is on the back of the card and will force a substantial cable bend in every scenario. Best argument for the 9070xt vs 5070 and 5070ti: Red Devil hitting 3300+ and 3400+ in FO76 at stock: