RTX 4000 mobile series officially released.

[VEGGIM]

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NVIDIA today announced GeForce RTX 40 Series laptops, powered by its ultra-efficient Ada Lovelace GPU architecture, which delivers the company's largest-ever generational leap in performance and power efficiency.

The new GeForce RTX 40 Series laptops are up to 3x more power efficient than the previous generation and bring the Ada architecture, NVIDIA DLSS 3 and fifth-generation Max-Q technologies to laptops for the first time. For gamers, RTX 40 Series laptops deliver up to 4x the performance in AAA games like full ray-traced Cyberpunk 2077 with new RT Overdrive Mode, and, for creators, they offer blazing-fast acceleration in top creative apps such as Blender.

Some of the new Max-Q tech is Ultra low voltage GDDR6 memory and tri-speed memory controllers.

 

It was also revealed that the 14" form factor is the largest market laptop size. (The advancements of the zephyrus g14 must be responsible for that) . But most were made for basic tasks. The 40 series claims to solve that for greater 14" peformance.

 

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GeForce RTX 40 Series laptops will be available starting Feb. 8 from the world's top manufacturers, including Acer, Alienware, ASUS, Dell, GIGABYTE, HP, Lenovo, MSI, Razer and Samsung. They will also be available from local makers and system builders, including CyberPower PC, Eluktronics, Hasee, PC Specialist 3XS by Scan and Schenker, with more coming in Q1.

sources: NVIDIA announces GeForce RTX 40 Laptop GPU series, RTX 4090 with 9728 CUDAs and 16GB GDDR6 memory - VideoCardz.com
NVIDIA Ada Lovelace Breaks Energy-Efficiency Barrier, Supercharges 170+ Laptop Designs | TechPowerUp
 

[the jg89]

Hopefully someone makes a thick version of an rtx 4090 laptop (from 3xs and Pc specialist) , then I might buy one

[Shark00n]

It would still be 150W max TGP

 

Nvidia only launches eunuchs in mobile

[ssj92]

175w will be max and match 3090Ti levels on high end systems

[IamTechknow]

I am pretty sure the TDP figures in the second screenshot don't include the 25W that comes from dynamic boost, which means the TDPs match leaked figures back in October

[ssj92]

Yes 175w with the 25w dynamic boost bs. 

[runix18]

12 hours ago, the jg89 said:

Hopefully someone makes a thick version of an rtx 4090 laptop (from 3xs and Pc specialist) , then I might buy one

3xs and Pc specialist does not produce laptops, they are resellers. Only Clevo produces laptops at the Kapok factory.

[runix18]

On 1/3/2023 at 7:34 PM, VEGGIM said:

Some of the new Max-Q tech is Ultra low voltage GDDR6 memory and tri-speed memory controllers.

 

It was also revealed that the 14" form factor is the largest market laptop size. (The advancements of the zephyrus g14 must be responsible for that) . But most were made for basic tasks. The 40 series claims to solve that for greater 14" peformance.

 

sources: NVIDIA announces GeForce RTX 40 Laptop GPU series, RTX 4090 with 9728 CUDAs and 16GB GDDR6 memory - VideoCardz.com
NVIDIA Ada Lovelace Breaks Energy-Efficiency Barrier, Supercharges 170+ Laptop Designs | TechPowerUp
 

Look at those chips, what TDP, what memory bus...what performance... not. It is like Nvidia took all the failing chips from desktop cards and renamed them for laptops.🤣

Except from the 4090 we have no decent chips this generation for mobile... I miss the good old Pascal days...😔

[1610ftw]

The 4090 looks good but at not much more than half the TGP it will suffer heavily even compared to the desktop 4080 it is based on.

4080 still looks decent but the 4070 is kind of the new 3060 as it really is suffering with regard to memory. It should have been at least 10 and not 8GB as otherwise one might as well just go with the 4060 that has enough power for some QHD gaming.

 

Will be interesting to see how the pricing turns out to be but the best bang for the buck (or the least disappointing purchase if one has to get one of these) might be found with the 4080 and 4060.

 

[Bullit]

Nvidia continues to discriminate laptop buyers. Look at VRAM compared to desktop.

[Etern4l]

40 minutes ago, Bullit said:

Nvidia continues to discriminate laptop buyers. Look at VRAM compared to desktop.

 

Well, I would argue that laptop buyers on the whole have discriminated against themselves by insisting on thin and light designs. Realise that a Chungus-class graphics card such as the 4090 alone weighs more than most laptops these days.

 

Another side of this, of course, is that Nvidia is cutting corners in the consumer space. Less VRAM, less bandwidth, crippled mid and low end graphics cards models are being pushed to the market without any apparent sense of shame at all. 

[Bullit]

VRAM is not related to those choices.

[Etern4l]

Is it not though? Doesn't higher capacity VRAM require more board space and/or generate more heat?

[Bullit]

Minimal.

[Etern4l]

17 minutes ago, Bullit said:

Minimal.

 

Are you talking about GDDR6 or some other memory type you are familiar with? The former runs very hot, and obviously the higher the density or quantity the more heat gets generated. I'm sure it's a factor.

[Bullit]

My 3060 at 130w ~73ºC gets much less heat then a 5800H at maximum power f 80w ~95ºC ..  So i don't think that is a big issue.

[Etern4l]

Your "73C" is just the GPU rather than VRAM temp though, and anyway you only have 6GB of VRAM. Still, there have been mobile SKUs with 16GB so it's doable in a gaming laptop, but probably only the top tier ones with best cooling.

[Papusan]

18 hours ago, Bullit said:

Nvidia continues to discriminate laptop buyers. Look at VRAM compared to desktop.

17 hours ago, Etern4l said:

Well, I would argue that laptop buyers on the whole have discriminated against themselves by insisting on thin and light designs. Realise that a Chungus-class graphics card such as the 4090 alone weighs more than most laptops these days.

Exactly. You get what you ask for. +rep

17 hours ago, Bullit said:

VRAM is not related to those choices.

nvidia don't want to use GDDR6X in laptops due they run hotter. Remember 3090 and overheating vRam on the bottom side of the cards? Some Dell 4090 had vram temps at 110C. The wimpy unified (Tripod) heatsink in laptops have more than enough cooling the cores for Cpu and Gpu and vanilla GDDR6. + they save on the cost for the cheaper variant vram. Pay more get less, LOOL

[the jg89]

On 1/4/2023 at 8:18 AM, runix18 said:

3xs and Pc specialist does not produce laptops, they are resellers. Only Clevo produces laptops at the Kapok factory.

Yeah I meant to say clevo but these are usually my go to when it gets to looking for a clevo brand laptop and hopefully

decide to keep the thick versions avilable (if there are any) for longer this time around cause I have a feeling that the thin ones might not cut it in the long run.

[Papusan]

Only $1,812 US Dollar for the GPU upgrade from Nvidia 4060 and up to 4090. Ready with the money bro @Mr. Fox? What is the tragic with all this? The whole laptop package or Nvidia? Or can it be both?

 

 

XMG laptop with GeForce RTX 4090 GPU to cost €1,687 more than RTX 4060 system

 

Mobile RTX 40 GPU pricing just as bad as desktop...

XMG to charge €1,687 more for GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU spec.

[1610ftw]

46 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Only $1,812 US Dollar for the GPU upgrade from Nvidia 4060 and up to 4090. Ready with the money bro @Mr. Fox? What is the tragic with all this? The whole laptop package or Nvidia? Or can it be both?

 

 

XMG laptop with GeForce RTX 4090 GPU to cost €1,687 more than RTX 4060 system

 

Mobile RTX 40 GPU pricing just as bad as desktop...

XMG to charge €1,687 more for GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU spec.

 

The tragic thing is that we have a lot of capability these days but no ambition - not from Nvidia, not from the manufacturers and not from the customers most of all.

If you look at a few tech channel guys around youtube you will now find them mentioning 6 to 7 lbs laptops as super heavy and huge when in weight they are below former 15" DTRs and in volume they are probably smaller, too.

 

Before it was important to have a powerful laptop now it is about holding it with one hand apparently, no idea what this is all about:

 

 

So not much is coming out of the capability to build a really good 8 to 9 lbs DTR with a vapor chamber and possibly water cooling when people mainly buy 14" and therefore companies innovate in those market segments?

 

I will give it to MSI that they are the only company that still has good performance and most if not all DTR features in a less gamey chassis with the GT77 but I would much have preferred a GT88 with a socketed CPU now that socketed GPUs are obviously off the table and most of all with a bigger than 250W combined power limit - looks like this is a new invisible barrier nobody dares to cross.

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Only $1,812 US Dollar for the GPU upgrade from Nvidia 4060 and up to 4090.Ready with the money bro @Mr. Fox?

The prophesies are coming to pass. We can all have whatever the lowest common denominators are willing to put up with.

Now it is only a question of who is the king of the bottom-feeders.

34 minutes ago, 1610ftw said:

If you look at a few tech channel guys around youtube you will now find them mentioning 6 to 7 lbs laptops as super heavy and huge when in weight they are below former 15" DTRs and in volume they are probably smaller, too.

[1610ftw]

About the hideous surcharges for the top cards: For gaming on the road a 4070 should easily handle a QHD screen as it should offer slightly above 3080 Ti performance. QHD is about the amount of detail one can resolve without the nose glued to the screen, even at 18".

 

That leaves 1300 Euro in the above case that can be used towards upgrading the desktop PC - not too bad 😄

 

Of course we can expect or already know that many of the higher end laptops will not even offer a 4070 option but only the 4080 or 4090 - so much for laptops not needing to be modular. For my X170KM-G I could choose the fastest CPU with only the smallest CPU and there were three of them to choose from - not any more I guess...

[Papusan]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The prophesies are coming to pass. We can all have whatever the lowest common denominators are willing to put up with.

Now it is only a question of who is the king of the bottom-feeders.

You're sure you aren't tempted bro Fox😀 You don't have to go with massiveluy overpriced 4000 series mobile graphics cards. 

 

We need more ALL-AMD gaming notebooks! - Alienware M17 Review Teaser...

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

You're sure you aren't tempted bro Fox😀 You don't have to go with massiveluy overpriced 4000 series mobile graphics cards. 

Well, let me think about it for a minute.

*one minute later*

nope