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I have absolutely nothing against thin and light laptops. I think having laptops that prioritize battery life and size over performance has their place and the bean counters (and sales overall) agree.

 

What I don't like and continue to lament is the 8-10yr decline in true DTR options till this last time around (12th gen) we were left with one single quasi upgradable model (everything was upgradable except the GPU) and lower power limits and mobile vs desktop chipset.

 

13th gen is the first time there was 0 DTR or DTR'esque options brought to market and it was a somber reality.

 

The last "true" full blown DTR was the X170 series from Clevo which ended with the 11th gen. 😞

 

I'm hoping Clevo takes another stab at it even with AMD as an option if that is what it takes.

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2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I'm hoping Clevo takes another stab at it even with AMD as an option if that is what it takes.

we need them to behave like edward scissorhands

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5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I have absolutely nothing against thin and light laptops. I think having laptops that prioritize battery life and size over performance has their place and the bean counters (and sales overall) agree.

 

What I don't like and continue to lament is the 8-10yr decline in true DTR options till this last time around (12th gen) we were left with one single quasi upgradable model (everything was upgradable except the GPU) and lower power limits and mobile vs desktop chipset.

 

13th gen is the first time there was 0 DTR or DTR'esque options brought to market and it was a somber reality.

 

The last "true" full blown DTR was the X170 series from Clevo which ended with the 11th gen. 😞

 

I'm hoping Clevo takes another stab at it even with AMD as an option if that is what it takes.

Here here, on all points. 

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On 5/16/2023 at 1:02 PM, electrosoft said:

I have absolutely nothing against thin and light laptops. I think having laptops that prioritize battery life and size over performance has their place and the bean counters (and sales overall) agree.

 

What I don't like and continue to lament is the 8-10yr decline in true DTR options till this last time around (12th gen) we were left with one single quasi upgradable model (everything was upgradable except the GPU) and lower power limits and mobile vs desktop chipset.

 

13th gen is the first time there was 0 DTR or DTR'esque options brought to market and it was a somber reality.

 

The last "true" full blown DTR was the X170 series from Clevo which ended with the 11th gen. 😞

 

I'm hoping Clevo takes another stab at it even with AMD as an option if that is what it takes.

 

Yea agreed and its one of the reasons why people buy overpriced Macbooks every year. The weakness of thin and light laptops that almost everything is soldiered to the motherboard... (RAM, WIFI card, and even the SSD)

 

This year would of been a good opportunity to revive DTR laptops because this year's Intel and AMD CPUs are close to desktop level performance.

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don't you guys think that DTR are on the fringe of popular. like if they were sold so much then they would not cease to exist. If DTR were popular they would still be made.

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2 hours ago, ryan said:

don't you guys think that DTR are on the fringe of popular. like if they were sold so much then they would not cease to exist. If DTR were popular they would still be made.

 

When DTRs were the only option, it was what it was and if you needed a laptop your pool was limited but as laptops and notebooks got smaller the average consumer spoke up with the spending power, the bean counters responded and production shifted accordingly.

 

The market for the type of DTRs we like here *is* a fringe segment and always has been.

 

Even modern DTRs (Titan, m18,g18) are but a small segment of the overall market even modernized to a degree.

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Even DTRs modern laptops as (Titan, m18,g18) are but a small segment of the overall market even modernized to a degree.

I fix it for you😎 DTRs is dead. Long live 66976452_PUKEGREEN.gif.7a801cc34971edcc4e4509f548e0ff78.gifthin and modern66976452_PUKEGREEN.gif.7a801cc34971edcc4e4509f548e0ff78.gif

 

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1 hour ago, Papusan said:

I fix it for you😎 DTRs is dead. Long live 66976452_PUKEGREEN.gif.7a801cc34971edcc4e4509f548e0ff78.gifthin and modern66976452_PUKEGREEN.gif.7a801cc34971edcc4e4509f548e0ff78.gif

 

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So true brother. 😞

 

 

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I bought something in between. I used to have a clevo gaming laptop it was upgradeable (mxm/LGA) I loved it. It ran everything I threw at it and never had thermal throttling it ran at full bore. then I bought an ultrabook as I came to realize I was no longer a big gamer. after awhile of being out of gaming I had an itch and bought something in between (thin and light/thick and heavy) and settled with the omen 16 which size wise was also in between 15.6 and 17in. Well it throttles lol. I hit 100c at 4ghz which is 200 mhz below full speed, and overclocking cpu is out of the question. what might save it is phase change pads as talon had some luck with his omen 16 getting it to run at full speed, but its kind of stupid having to modify a new laptop just so it can run at stock.

 

as for DTR I get the deal with them, they are upgradeable beasts but like you guys mentaioned they are basically dead, so the only options left are something in between.

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15 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

So true brother. 😞

 

 

Sad seeing Clevo's new modern gaming flagship laptops (X370) in reviews. Clevo is now near the bottom in cooling and peformance.

 

A fresh start, LOOOL

 

Case — A Fresh Restart
The Raptor X17 is probably the sleekest laptop we've seen from Eurocom Clevo. What a Joke. 


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The Core i9-13900HX in our unit is performing slightly slower relative to other laptops with the same processor by about 5 percent. 

 

1.5GHz for the Cpu ain't bad in witcher 3. Neither the 97C average Cpu temp at sub 50W Package power, LOOL

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2 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Sad seeing Clevo new modern gaming flagship laptops (X370) in reviews. Clevo is now near the bottom in cooling and peformance.

 

A fresh start, LOOOL

 

Dissapointing about the performance, but not surprising. The only advantages I see from this new model compared to competitors is three 2280 M.2 drive slots, easy to replace keyboard, non gamer accented chassis, and if system76 gets their open firmware and ec working it could be more tunable with some work.

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Clevo X370SNW - 13900HX, 64GB DDR5-5600 CL40, 4TB Samsung 990 Pro, RTX 4090 mobile, 17.3 inch UHD 144hz, System76 open source firmware, Windows 10 Pro 22H2

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On 5/19/2023 at 8:41 PM, win32asmguy said:

 

Dissapointing about the performance, but not surprising. The only advantages I see from this new model compared to competitors is three 2280 M.2 drive slots, easy to replace keyboard, non gamer accented chassis, and if system76 gets their open firmware and ec working it could be more tunable with some work.

 

It tells us a lot about the questionable designs employed by other manufacturers that an easy to replace keyboard is not the norm but an advantage.

 

I think this is one of only three models this generation with at least three full size 2280 M2 slots so that definitely could count as a bonus and also the non-flashy design.

Apart from not being flashy I find the design to be pretty unimpressive but with other ugly ducklings like the GE78 or the rather silly looking Asus models having a "special" look seems to be the norm and not the exception for this generation.

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On 5/8/2023 at 6:06 PM, KING19 said:

 

When Jarrod does his reviews he also tests non-gaming 3D workloads especially content creation apps. I agree with you that a GPU is also a worktool but if people are going to use it for work too they'll avoid buying a laptop that screams gaming laptop in looks and design. Some gaming laptops like the Lenovo Legion series looks more like a thinkpad/business laptop more than a gaming laptop

Agreed. I cannot stand lights flashing everywhere all the time. Plus, 99 percent of the case designs look like a transformer helmet. My lowly old inspiron looks clean, and does it's job. I do wish I had a dedicated graphics card in it for a little bit faster 4k rendering in resolve and other programs like that, but when I am mobile it does it's job, without looking like an anime cartoon.

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10 hours ago, kojack said:

transformer helmet

Do you know where I can purchase one or a link, would be greatly appreciated as apparently AI is taking over the world via pictures and techno brainwashing lol.. I need one tah read some things, better safe than sorry.

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On 6/5/2023 at 5:25 AM, kojack said:

Agreed. I cannot stand lights flashing everywhere all the time. Plus, 99 percent of the case designs look like a transformer helmet. My lowly old inspiron looks clean, and does it's job. I do wish I had a dedicated graphics card in it for a little bit faster 4k rendering in resolve and other programs like that, but when I am mobile it does it's job, without looking like an anime cartoon.

There are plenty of non-gaming laptops that uses a dedicated GPU like the HP Envy, Dell XPS, Dell Inspiron, Lenovo Thinkpad and etc in the market now, Normally they'll use the lower wattage versions which are great for content creation and light gaming.

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5 minutes ago, KING19 said:

There are plenty of non-gaming laptops that uses a dedicated GPU like the HP Envy, Dell XPS, Dell Inspiron, Lenovo Thinkpad and etc in the market now, Normally they'll use the lower wattage versions which are great for content creation and light gaming.

Oh, I know.  But my system is on irisXe graphics.  It's fine, but would having a 3070 or something in it would be awesome. I am just wondering if a egpu would be a good choice to take with me on the road. 

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45 minutes ago, kojack said:

Oh, I know.  But my system is on irisXe graphics.  It's fine, but would having a 3070 or something in it would be awesome. I am just wondering if a egpu would be a good choice to take with me on the road. 

 

You can get one for less than $1500 now, OEMs badly want to get rid of them 😆

 

Btw does your current laptop has a thunderbolt port like most Intel laptops?

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15 hours ago, KING19 said:

 

You can get one for less than $1500 now, OEMs badly want to get rid of them 😆

 

Btw does your current laptop has a thunderbolt port like most Intel laptops?

Yes it does.  I have some other things I need to spend 1500 bucks on right now, but my next notebook will have dedicated graphics for creation 100 percent!

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On 6/8/2023 at 9:29 PM, KING19 said:

There are plenty of non-gaming laptops that uses a dedicated GPU like the HP Envy, Dell XPS, Dell Inspiron, Lenovo Thinkpad and etc in the market now, Normally they'll use the lower wattage versions which are great for content creation and light gaming.

 

And there are gaming laptops like the MSI GP series or most Lenovo Legion models that look pretty much normal with their RGB effects disabled.

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My own results in comparisons of P870TM / RTX3080 / 9900KS vs latest laptop with RTX 4080 show that an MXM RTX 3080 laptop is as fast, mostly faster, than an RTX4080 soldered laptop, and regardless of resolution. I tested from FHD to UHD. Here 2 Examples with Horizon and Metro Exodus!!!

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On 6/9/2023 at 7:31 AM, kojack said:

Yes it does.  I have some other things I need to spend 1500 bucks on right now, but my next notebook will have dedicated graphics for creation 100 percent!

 

The thunderbolt port will help out if you decide to go with the e-GPU route

 

On 6/9/2023 at 3:32 PM, 1610ftw said:

 

And there are gaming laptops like the MSI GP series or most Lenovo Legion models that look pretty much normal with their RGB effects disabled.

 

Yea true, there are others like the ASUS Zephyrus, HP OMEN (Still uses the same design from 2020..), and others i cant think of atm.

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They only gaming system I would consider is the razer. It's just a normal sleek notebook. No wedge shapes, no angles etc. Just sleek smooth design. 

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7 hours ago, KING19 said:

 

The thunderbolt port will help out if you decide to go with the e-GPU route

 

 

Yea true, there are others like the ASUS Zephyrus, HP OMEN (Still uses the same design from 2020..), and others i cant think of atm.

I am trying to get a larger power supply installed in my desktop to add a faster video card to it and I was going to take the 2070 super in it now and move to an egpu box for on the road video editing.  Now, this depends on if we get a new motorhome this year or not. If we do, I think I am going to hard mount the egpu and a NAS system somewhere inside. I can connect my notebook to both and work that way.  We will see what happens soon! 

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