RTX 4000 mobile series officially released.

[1610ftw]

25 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 Violated even. The new normal feeling when dealing with a lot of today's tech. 

 

I knew it was something with v 😄

[electrosoft]

I have absolutely nothing against thin and light laptops. I think having laptops that prioritize battery life and size over performance has their place and the bean counters (and sales overall) agree.

 

What I don't like and continue to lament is the 8-10yr decline in true DTR options till this last time around (12th gen) we were left with one single quasi upgradable model (everything was upgradable except the GPU) and lower power limits and mobile vs desktop chipset.

 

13th gen is the first time there was 0 DTR or DTR'esque options brought to market and it was a somber reality.

 

The last "true" full blown DTR was the X170 series from Clevo which ended with the 11th gen. 😞

 

I'm hoping Clevo takes another stab at it even with AMD as an option if that is what it takes.

[ryan]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I'm hoping Clevo takes another stab at it even with AMD as an option if that is what it takes.

we need them to behave like edward scissorhands

[Reciever]

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I have absolutely nothing against thin and light laptops. I think having laptops that prioritize battery life and size over performance has their place and the bean counters (and sales overall) agree.

 

What I don't like and continue to lament is the 8-10yr decline in true DTR options till this last time around (12th gen) we were left with one single quasi upgradable model (everything was upgradable except the GPU) and lower power limits and mobile vs desktop chipset.

 

13th gen is the first time there was 0 DTR or DTR'esque options brought to market and it was a somber reality.

 

The last "true" full blown DTR was the X170 series from Clevo which ended with the 11th gen. 😞

 

I'm hoping Clevo takes another stab at it even with AMD as an option if that is what it takes.

Here here, on all points. 

[KING19]

On 5/16/2023 at 1:02 PM, electrosoft said:

I have absolutely nothing against thin and light laptops. I think having laptops that prioritize battery life and size over performance has their place and the bean counters (and sales overall) agree.

 

What I don't like and continue to lament is the 8-10yr decline in true DTR options till this last time around (12th gen) we were left with one single quasi upgradable model (everything was upgradable except the GPU) and lower power limits and mobile vs desktop chipset.

 

13th gen is the first time there was 0 DTR or DTR'esque options brought to market and it was a somber reality.

 

The last "true" full blown DTR was the X170 series from Clevo which ended with the 11th gen. 😞

 

I'm hoping Clevo takes another stab at it even with AMD as an option if that is what it takes.

 

Yea agreed and its one of the reasons why people buy overpriced Macbooks every year. The weakness of thin and light laptops that almost everything is soldiered to the motherboard... (RAM, WIFI card, and even the SSD)

 

This year would of been a good opportunity to revive DTR laptops because this year's Intel and AMD CPUs are close to desktop level performance.

[ryan]

don't you guys think that DTR are on the fringe of popular. like if they were sold so much then they would not cease to exist. If DTR were popular they would still be made.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, ryan said:

don't you guys think that DTR are on the fringe of popular. like if they were sold so much then they would not cease to exist. If DTR were popular they would still be made.

 

When DTRs were the only option, it was what it was and if you needed a laptop your pool was limited but as laptops and notebooks got smaller the average consumer spoke up with the spending power, the bean counters responded and production shifted accordingly.

 

The market for the type of DTRs we like here *is* a fringe segment and always has been.

 

Even modern DTRs (Titan, m18,g18) are but a small segment of the overall market even modernized to a degree.

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Even DTRs modern laptops as (Titan, m18,g18) are but a small segment of the overall market even modernized to a degree.

I fix it for you😎 DTRs is dead. Long live thin and modern

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

I fix it for you😎 DTRs is dead. Long live thin and modern

 

 

So true brother. 😞

 

 

[ryan]

I bought something in between. I used to have a clevo gaming laptop it was upgradeable (mxm/LGA) I loved it. It ran everything I threw at it and never had thermal throttling it ran at full bore. then I bought an ultrabook as I came to realize I was no longer a big gamer. after awhile of being out of gaming I had an itch and bought something in between (thin and light/thick and heavy) and settled with the omen 16 which size wise was also in between 15.6 and 17in. Well it throttles lol. I hit 100c at 4ghz which is 200 mhz below full speed, and overclocking cpu is out of the question. what might save it is phase change pads as talon had some luck with his omen 16 getting it to run at full speed, but its kind of stupid having to modify a new laptop just so it can run at stock.

 

as for DTR I get the deal with them, they are upgradeable beasts but like you guys mentaioned they are basically dead, so the only options left are something in between.

[Papusan]

15 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

So true brother. 😞

 

 

Sad seeing Clevo's new modern gaming flagship laptops (X370) in reviews. Clevo is now near the bottom in cooling and peformance.

 

A fresh start, LOOOL

 

Case — A Fresh Restart
The Raptor X17 is probably the sleekest laptop we've seen from Eurocom Clevo. What a Joke. 

Eurocom Raptor X17 laptop review: The MSI and Asus ROG alternative
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Eurocom-Raptor-X17-laptop-review-The-MSI-and-Asus-ROG-alternative.715961.0.html

 

Processor

The Core i9-13900HX in our unit is performing slightly slower relative to other laptops with the same processor by about 5 percent. 

 

1.5GHz for the Cpu ain't bad in witcher 3. Neither the 97C average Cpu temp at sub 50W Package power, LOOL

 

[win32asmguy]

2 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Sad seeing Clevo new modern gaming flagship laptops (X370) in reviews. Clevo is now near the bottom in cooling and peformance.

 

A fresh start, LOOOL

 

Dissapointing about the performance, but not surprising. The only advantages I see from this new model compared to competitors is three 2280 M.2 drive slots, easy to replace keyboard, non gamer accented chassis, and if system76 gets their open firmware and ec working it could be more tunable with some work.

[1610ftw]

On 5/19/2023 at 8:41 PM, win32asmguy said:

 

Dissapointing about the performance, but not surprising. The only advantages I see from this new model compared to competitors is three 2280 M.2 drive slots, easy to replace keyboard, non gamer accented chassis, and if system76 gets their open firmware and ec working it could be more tunable with some work.

 

It tells us a lot about the questionable designs employed by other manufacturers that an easy to replace keyboard is not the norm but an advantage.

 

I think this is one of only three models this generation with at least three full size 2280 M2 slots so that definitely could count as a bonus and also the non-flashy design.

Apart from not being flashy I find the design to be pretty unimpressive but with other ugly ducklings like the GE78 or the rather silly looking Asus models having a "special" look seems to be the norm and not the exception for this generation.