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[Ashtrix]

@Mr. Fox Can I please let me know how do you run multiple OSes., like do you use EasyBCD v2.4 to manage the Windows 11, 10 LTSC, 7, Linux & EasyBCD installed onto Windows 10 LTSC as a base and customize from there. Any recommendations on MBR or GPT for Windows 7, Windows 10 LTSC 1809 / 21H2 ofc with BIOS CSM option on.

 

I plan to boot Windows 7 from a 2TB 980 Pro (NVMe Hotfix KB2990941 and Samsung driver integrated into boot.wim and install.wim for the Windows 7 iso) But does Windows 7 boot up from an NVMe SSD ? If it doesn't then need to use a SATA SSD as MBR I guess.

 

Then my second 2TB 980 Pro will go for Windows 10 LTSC 1809.

 

Thank you in advance.

 

 

Merry Christmas to Everyone !!

 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

@Mr. Fox Can I please let me know how do you run multiple OSes., like do you use EasyBCD v2.4 to manage the Windows 11, 10 LTSC, 7, Linux & EasyBCD installed onto Windows 10 LTSC as a base and customize from there. Any recommendations on MBR or GPT for Windows 7, Windows 10 LTSC 1809 / 21H2 ofc with BIOS CSM option on.

 

I plan to boot Windows 7 from a 2TB 980 Pro (NVMe Hotfix KB2990941 and Samsung driver integrated into boot.wim and install.wim for the Windows 7 iso) But does Windows 7 boot up from an NVMe SSD ? If it doesn't then need to use a SATA SSD as MBR I guess.

 

Then my second 2TB 980 Pro will go for Windows 10 LTSC 1809.

 

Thank you in advance.

 

 

Merry Christmas to Everyone !!

 

Merry Christmas, Brother. Blessings to you and your family.

 

Install Windows 7 first on one M.2 SSD. Disable all other drives in the BIOS or remove them from your motherboard. GPT is the better option for an OS drive, while I recommend MBR for data. GPT will give you some flexibility MBR does not afford. (I personally like MBR better, but use GPT for the OS.)

 

Use Flashboot (free will be enough) to create the Windows 7 USB drive. https://www.prime-expert.com/flashboot/ but note that the Pro version allows you to slipstream drivers and some other things the free version does not. I own the Pro version and like it. You get lifetime updates and the developer is an anti-DRM and anti-SaaS evangelist, so I like supporting a good cause.

 

Note: creating the USB drive with Flashboot will allow Windows 7 to run in Pure UEFI without CSM as long as your GPU supports it. My 3090 does not for some reason. You can try it with CSM disabled. If the GPU gets a code 10 or 43 when you try to install the driver, enable CSM and everything will work fine. You won't have to do anything other than enable CSM. Again, use GPT for the OS for this to work correctly. You can use Flashboot for the Windows 10 USB installer as well. It will also disable the Windows 11 TPM and Secure Boot requirements like Rufus.

 

After Windows 7 is installed, either disable its drive in the BIOS or remove it before installing Windows 10. Again, you want the only drive to be the one you are installing Windows to.

 

If you are going to install Linux, follow the same process so that GRUB or systemd get installed by default on the same drive as the OS. You can guarantee that by making it the only drive available to the OS.

 

After both OSes are installed, enable all drives on your system. Stop and take a few short minutes to create a Macrium Reflect images of your fresh OS installations. It works for making an image of your Linux installation as well.

 

Now you can choose which OS to boot using the BIOS Boot priority hotkey (usually F8). The Dark BIOS has an option to always show that menu during system boot.  By following the process I outlined you can remove any drive without that affecting the function of the other OSes because each has its own Boot Manager and has no reliance on the other OSes.

 

Yes, I use EasyBCD on each OS to add the other OS bootloader to the menu so that regardless of which drive you boot from you can choose to load a different OS. I have not had any success adding GRUB or LiLo to the Windows Boot Manager with EasyBCD, so I choose the Linux drive to load it. But, you don't need to use EasyBCD at all. You can let Linux manage it. It will automatically add your Windows Boot Managers to the GRUB boot menu.

 

 

Something I played with yesterday. I made a Windows to Go installation with Flashboot Pro. I put Windows 8.1 on a 1TB M.2 SATA drive in a USB 3.0 enclosure and it runs like it is installed internally. You can't tell it is running on a USB port. Crystal Diskmark speeds are the same as if the drive was installed internally. I was seriously impressed with everything except Windows 8.1. (I had forgotten what a horrible POS Windows 8.X was, and there is no 3090 driver functionality, even with an INF mod.) I think I am going to tinker with that more, but not using Windows 8.1 garbage. The unpleasant reminder of how horrible it is made me hate Windows 10 just a little bit less.

[Raiderman]

Merry Christmas to me 😆

 

[Ashtrix]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Merry Christmas, Brother. Blessings to you and your family.

 

Install Windows 7 first on one M.2 SSD. Disable all other drives in the BIOS or remove them from your motherboard. GPT is the better option for an OS drive, while I recommend MBR for data. GPT will give you some flexibility MBR does not afford. (I personally like MBR better, but use GPT for the OS.)

 

Use Flashboot (free will be enough) to create the Windows 7 USB drive. https://www.prime-expert.com/flashboot/ but note that the Pro version allows you to slipstream drivers and some other things the free version does not. I own the Pro version and like it. You get lifetime updates and the developer is an anti-DRM and anti-SaaS evangelist, so I like supporting a good cause.

 

Note: creating the USB drive with Flashboot will allow Windows 7 to run in Pure UEFI without CSM as long as your GPU supports it. My 3090 does not for some reason. You can try it with CSM disabled. If the GPU gets a code 10 or 43 when you try to install the driver, enable CSM and everything will work fine. You won't have to do anything other than enable CSM. Again, use GPT for the OS for this to work correctly. You can use Flashboot for the Windows 10 USB installer as well. It will also disable the Windows 11 TPM and Secure Boot requirements like Rufus.

 

After Windows 7 is installed, either disable its drive in the BIOS or remove it before installing Windows 10. Again, you want the only drive to be the one you are installing Windows to.

 

If you are going to install Linux, follow the same process so that GRUB or systemd get installed by default on the same drive as the OS. You can guarantee that by making it the only drive available to the OS.

 

After both OSes are installed, enable all drives on your system. Stop and take a few short minutes to create a Macrium Reflect images of your fresh OS installations. It works for making an image of your Linux installation as well.

 

Now you can choose which OS to boot using the BIOS Boot priority hotkey (usually F8). The Dark BIOS has an option to always show that menu during system boot.  By following the process I outlined you can remove any drive without that affecting the function of the other OSes because each has its own Boot Manager and has no reliance on the other OSes.

 

Yes, I use EasyBCD on each OS to add the other OS bootloader to the menu so that regardless of which drive you boot from you can choose to load a different OS. I have not had any success adding GRUB or LiLo to the Windows Boot Manager with EasyBCD, so I choose the Linux drive to load it. But, you don't need to use EasyBCD at all. You can let Linux manage it. It will automatically add your Windows Boot Managers to the GRUB boot menu.

 

 

Something I played with yesterday. I made a Windows to Go installation with Flashboot Pro. I put Windows 8.1 on a 1TB M.2 SATA drive in a USB 3.0 enclosure and it runs like it is installed internally. You can't tell it is running on a USB port. Crystal Diskmark speeds are the same as if the drive was installed internally. I was seriously impressed with everything except Windows 8.1. (I forgot was a POS it Windows 8.X was, and there is no 3090 driver functionality, even with an INF mod.) I think I am going to tinker with that more.

 

 

Cannot say thank you enough Brother Fox, Thank you very much for such a great post and Best wishes to your family as well !!

 

Will follow your guidance. I always remembered that part to install the OS with only one drive active since NBR says. Will make sure it is GPT & yeah backing up once OS installation being done is also a very important step, agreed. Totally understood now, EasyBCD is not required if we use Linux yep as GRUB will take care but since right now I do not plan to experiment with Linux, the former way to go !! Hoping that I can report some good news soon.

[cylix]

14 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Merry Christmas to me 😆

 

 Merry Xmas 😀. Very nice choices, what gpu will you get for that beast of CPU?

[Raiderman]

2 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

@Mr. Fox Can I please let me know how do you run multiple OSes., like do you use EasyBCD v2.4 to manage the Windows 11, 10 LTSC, 7, Linux & EasyBCD installed onto Windows 10 LTSC as a base and customize from there. Any recommendations on MBR or GPT for Windows 7, Windows 10 LTSC 1809 / 21H2 ofc with BIOS CSM option on.

 

I plan to boot Windows 7 from a 2TB 980 Pro (NVMe Hotfix KB2990941 and Samsung driver integrated into boot.wim and install.wim for the Windows 7 iso) But does Windows 7 boot up from an NVMe SSD ? If it doesn't then need to use a SATA SSD as MBR I guess.

 

Then my second 2TB 980 Pro will go for Windows 10 LTSC 1809.

 

Thank you in advance.

 

 

Merry Christmas to Everyone !!

 

You don't need to use a KB, you just need a Windows 7 iso with all the goodies integrated. I have many links to some ISO's that have nvme, usb 3, etc driver's already integrated. I will be using Windows 7 as the primary on my new build.

[Raiderman]

1 minute ago, cylix said:

 Merry Xmas 😀. Very nice choices, what gpu will you get for that beast of CPU?

I will use my RX 6600xt until sometime next year, and see if the stupid prices come back to earth. Not in any hurry to buy a gpu yet. not at $1000. Stupid cryptodicks!

[Mr. Fox]

22 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Merry Christmas to me 😆

 

Awesome stuff, bro. You're going to have a BLAST. 😄 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

You don't need to use a KB, you just need a Windows 7 iso with all the goodies integrated. I have many links to some ISO's that have nvme, usb 3, etc driver's already integrated. I will be using Windows 7 as the primary on my new build.

That Flashboot tool integrates all of them for you in an ordinary Windows 7 ISO. I believe it uses NTLite in the background, but it is a great solution because you don't have to find anything or do any kind of research. Without it, the only way I can do it (even with drivers integrated) is to install from SATA DVD using a PS2 mouse and keyboard, then install the drivers manually after finishing setup. It was like that on Z590 and Z690 for me. The ISOs that were supposed to work did not.

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

I will use my RX 6600xt until sometime next year, and see if the stupid prices come back to earth. Not in any hurry to buy a gpu yet. not at $1000. Stupid cryptodicks!

 

The current GPU prices still being elevated has nothing to do with crypto. If anything, miners selling their GPUs have been driving prices down. It has to do with silicon shortages (tsmcdicks, autodicks, aidicks), as well as scalperdicks and of course nvidiadicks :)

[Raiderman]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That Flashboot tool integrates all of them for you in an ordinary Windows 7 ISO. I believe it uses NTLite in the background, but it is a great solution because you don't have to find anything or do any kind of research. Without it, the only way I can do it (even with drivers integrated) is to install from SATA DVD using a PS2 mouse and keyboard, then install the drivers manually after finishing setup. It was like that on Z590 and Z690 for me. The ISOs that were supposed to work did not.

I purchased the pro version of Flashboot, and made many ISO's with it. I have not had much luck getting 7 installed using the ISO's it creates. Of course I was trying to install it on my class 3 HP probook. I had mouse and keyboard during install, but could not get past the call for the legacy vga driver at first boot. There is supposed to be some sort of emulation of the vga driver until you get your actual gpu driver installed, but it never worked for me.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

The current GPU prices still being elevated has nothing to do with crypto. If anything, miners selling their GPUs have been driving prices down. It has to do with silicon shortages (tsmcdicks, autodicks, aidicks), as well as scalperdicks and of course nvidiadicks 🙂

As long stupid people buy products to stupid prices... We will continue have to pay stupid prices. Isn't that stupid?

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti is already on sale in Serbia, costs 1400 US Dollars videocardz.com

 

Nvidia throw out the 3rd variant of 3050. Isn't that stupid? Or is it greed? Or is it as expected due NVIDIA know the world is filled up with stupid people?
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 now available with full GA107 GPU and 15W lower power consumption tomshardware.com

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Raiderman said:

I will use my RX 6600xt until sometime next year, and see if the stupid prices come back to earth.

Use Google translator. From Norwegian to English. Also translate the undertext... "Hvordan forstå dem det ikke går an å forstå" .

 

Edit @electrosoft Can you see the crocs?😀

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

I purchased the pro version of Flashboot, and made many ISO's with it. I have not had much luck getting 7 installed using the ISO's it creates. Of course I was trying to install it on my class 3 HP probook. I had mouse and keyboard during install, but could not get past the call for the legacy vga driver at first boot. There is supposed to be some sort of emulation of the vga driver until you get your actual gpu driver installed, but it never worked for me.

That was probably an issue of some sort with the HP laptop. Some of them implement some terribly janky display output messes. Depending on how new it is, if it uses Intel integrated graphics it may not even be physically possible for it to function with Windows 7. The patching done with Flashboot can't deal with the cancer once it has metastasized to that degree.  The defective design is botched to the point that it is irredeemable. I am really fed up with the evil bastards that make decisions about technology deliberately doing things to screw everyone that is not content to be part of the zombie sheeple herd.

28 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Some are even more stupid than that. Not only do they have no clue about the degree of their own stupidity, they actually view themselves as being smart and cannot be convinced that they are mistaken.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Use Google translator. From Norwegian to English. Also translate the undertext... "Hvordan forstå dem det ikke går an å forstå" .

LoLoLoL... too funny. 🤣 Sadly, they are no longer a minority. They have multiplied and are now very common... near a 1:1 ratio now.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

LoLoLoL... too funny. 🤣 Sadly, they are no longer a minority. They have multiplied and are now very common... near a 1:1 ratio now.

Want to see some more funny? RTX 4080 seems to not have ECC support in their drivers. I expect the same for the rest of the new 4000 series graphics cards as well. And the new rules at the bot will become even more difficult to handle/understand. How shall they be able to take the "cheaters" if you can't show that ECC is enabled with 4000 series cards? All the top end cards from Nvidia will use same type GDDRX VRAM but only the 4090 have the "cheaters" settings in NCCP/drivers. This just show that Nvidia have created a real bastard graphics card in 4090. 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5152007_dejo_3dmark___port_royal_geforce_rtx_4080_19168_marks

 

[Mr. Fox]

Got bored so I released another YouTube video. My last video was October 2nd, so it has been quite a while.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Interesting... if we were asking Azor he would say this is "normal" LOL.

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Interesting... if we were asking Azor he would say this is "normal" LOL.

 

You mean the above 100C ? Long time since I have seen graphics cards reaching the boiling point for eggs😀

 

Tested a bit with the new build. GPU could run a bit colder but the 12900K is around 50C in games so thats fine results. Far away from Azor's "this is fine" HW temp target, LOOL

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5153481_papusan_unigine_superposition___1080p_xtreme_geforce_rtx_3070_10239_points?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5153482_papusan_unigine_superposition___8k_optimized_geforce_rtx_3070_5747_points?recalculate=true

 

Tested Port Royal stress test. About same results also for the other stress tests in 3Dmark suite. Close to 100% Passed

 

 

Edit. The Asus forum is up again.... https://rog.asus.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?314

 

And MoKiChU have run away from Asus forum for now... New place here

 

New is better... Always

[ryan]

Im not very smart, due to genetics and or medication, but im nice and content. i think being a good person is seperate from intelligence although it is foolish to be mean.

[cylix]

"new" 4070Ti at the price of the old one  - 1000 USD, FU Nvidia 😆. This is the future now..a  middle class GPU for 1k USD 😑. This hobby is getting to expensive..CPUS for 1k and the future 5090 for a 2500 USD..

The GPU Mafia with Nvidia and AMD will keep hiking the prices over and over

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-now-up-for-preorder-in-china-for-same-price-as-canceled-rtx-4080-12gb

[Mr. Fox]

2 minutes ago, cylix said:

"new" 4070Ti at the price of the old one  - 1000 USD, FU Nvidia 😆

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-now-up-for-preorder-in-china-for-same-price-as-canceled-rtx-4080-12gb

It will be interesting, maybe even a little bit scary, to see how many people actually dumb enough to pay $1000 for such a modest mid-range GPU. This is more than ludicrous.

[cylix]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It will be interesting, maybe even a little bit scary, to see how many people actually dumb enough to pay $1000 for such a modest mid-range GPU. This is more than ludicrous.

Sadly  i think a lot of people  will buy it, AMD doesnt have anything superior and they dont want to compete, they just want a piece of the pie. The XT maybe will be 50 100 cheaper but weaker so Nvidia will keep printing money.😌

[Mr. Fox]

14 minutes ago, cylix said:

Sadly  i think a lot of people  will buy it, AMD doesnt have anything superior and they dont want to compete, they just want a piece of the pie. The XT maybe will be 50 100 cheaper but weaker so Nvidia will keep printing money.😌

It certainly feels like being taken advantage of simply because they know the sheeple will voluntarily submit themselves for violation.

[electrosoft]

56 minutes ago, cylix said:

"new" 4070Ti at the price of the old one  - 1000 USD, FU Nvidia 😆. This is the future now..a  middle class GPU for 1k USD 😑. This hobby is getting to expensive..CPUS for 1k and the future 5090 for a 2500 USD..

The GPU Mafia with Nvidia and AMD will keep hiking the prices over and over

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-now-up-for-preorder-in-china-for-same-price-as-canceled-rtx-4080-12gb

 

49 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It will be interesting, maybe even a little bit scary, to see how many people actually dumb enough to pay $1000 for such a modest mid-range GPU. This is more than ludicrous.

 

41 minutes ago, cylix said:

Sadly  i think a lot of people  will buy it, AMD doesnt have anything superior and they dont want to compete, they just want a piece of the pie. The XT maybe will be 50 100 cheaper but weaker so Nvidia will keep printing money.😌

 

24 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It certainly feels like being taken advantage of simply because they know the sheeple will voluntarily submit themselves for violation.

 

This is three generations in the making even before the Ampere Pricing Massacre (AMP).

 

The outrage of the 2080ti price hike....

The indignation of the 3090 price hike...

The somber realities of the 4090 price hike...

 

Now that the top halo product has reached a breaking point for pricing, the lower product stack will now be shifted upward since AMP showed Nvidia when pushed consumers can and will pay outlandish prices even for lower tier cards. With those market conditions now gone they want to see how much demand is left for elevated pricing and so far they seem to be doing ok which does not bode well.

 

As for AMD?

 

Even if...IF AMD delivered (which they did not overall) let's not act like $1k is a "great" price.  $900 for a 7900xt is the real insult there and actually gives Nvidia room to keep the 4070ti at or near $899.99. I am sure if AMD had delivered a true 4090 competitor it would have been priced >$1k easily.

 

I think the days of lower tier Turing pricing is a thing of the past and this is the new reality or close to it as the lower product stack shifts accordingly in reflection of the top halo product. I hope I'm wrong though as availability will normalize in a few months for the 7900xtx and 4090 (4080s are everywhere along with 7900xt's being readily available). Worst thing that can happen is Nvidia and AMD settle into a comfortable state of detente and choose not to compete on pricing and match price cuts for price cuts.

 

As for "sheeple" 😅 let us not forget many of us dropped $2k on 3090s and I initially dropped 2.5k on a 3090ti (lucky to have gotten back everything back paid in though with EVGA refund and keeping my 1600w P2 PSU). I suspect many of us would have lined up for a KPE 4090 too.....

 

Speaking of which I love good feedback! I wish buyers left it more often (you can tell buyers who never sell most times as they don't even think about feedback).

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

As for "sheeple" 😅 let us not forget many of us dropped $2k on 3090s and I initially dropped 2.5k on a 3090ti (lucky to have gotten back everything back paid in though with EVGA refund and keeping my 1600w P2 PSU). I suspect many of us would have lined up for a KPE 4090 too.....

I still haven't forgiven myself for that and I am not enthusiastic about repeating that mistake. 4090 performance is compelling, but the pricing is as repulsive as it was with 3090. While I believe the 3090 KPE is a fantastic overbuilt GPU, I still regret paying what I did for it and still kind of feel like I got screwed over. I am somewhat disappointed with it and have been since the day it arrived. I do not find it remarkably better than an 3090 FTW3 in terms of performance. The only thing about it that I consider "great" is that it is an EVGA product and backed by their industry-leading service and support.

 

What makes it worse now is that a plain vanilla cracker jack 4090 (sold by a company that I know will be a huge pain in the butt to deal with if I need warranty support) is priced like it is a Kingpin-level halo product. 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Speaking of which I love good feedback! I wish buyers left it more often (you can tell buyers who never sell most times as they don't even think about feedback).

It is sad how seldom anyone leaves feedback for me on eBay. I go out of my way to communicate with them, ship immediately, provide additional information to them about the product after the sale, and give the buyer good feedback. I hear nothing more. I have pinged them numerous times with a message to ask if they received the product and everything was as expected, and they will often reply that they are very happy and thank me, but still leave no feedback.

 

I generally only use eBay as a last resort when my efforts to sell something have failed in another venue. I was going to look at selling on jawa.gg for PC parts, but when I went to sign up it seemed like a real hassle, so I never finished the sign-up process.

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Pretty chintzy MSI GPU...