*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Maybe compare apples vs apples and not apples vs orange🤪

 

People say that "4090" mobile is equivalent to 3090 Ti, and that's roughly true from the casual gamer's perspective, although I would take 3090 Ti desktop every time since it 8 GB more VRAM, NVLink and I imagine still runs cooler. Not to mention that a laptop GPU is really inappropriate for any extended work, since all you are thinking about, once you actually manage to gather your thoughts over the shrieking laptop fan noise, is "when exactly will the whole thing fail".

 

The 3090 Ti also edges "4090" out in many benchmarks and games at 4K:

 https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-3090-Ti-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.635434.0.html

 

Basically, "4090 mobile" is another recent example of deceptive and misleading marketing by NGreedia.

 

Not only is the thing seriously power-limited, but the memory bandwidth is half that of a 3090 Ti. That level of mutilation is not even funny.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4090-mobile.c3949

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3090-ti.c3829

 

Same, with theoretical performance - gimped vs the 3090Ti, and by a large margin.

 

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

People say that "4090" mobile is equivalent to 3090 Ti, and that's roughly true from the casual gamer's perspective, although I would take 3090 Ti desktop every time since it 8 GB more VRAM, NVLink and I imagine still runs cooler. Not to mention that a laptop GPU is really inappropriate for any extended work, since all you are thinking about, once you actually manage to gather your thoughts over the shrieking laptop fan noise, is "when exactly will the whole thing fail".

 

The 3090 Ti also edges "4090" out in many benchmarks and games at 4K:

 https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-3090-Ti-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.635434.0.html

 

Basically, "4090 mobile" is another recent example of deceptive and misleading marketing by NGreedia.

 

Not only is the thing seriously power-limited, but the memory bandwidth is half that of a 3090 Ti. That level of mutilation is not even funny.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4090-mobile.c3949

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3090-ti.c3829

 

Same, with theoretical performance - gimped vs the 3090Ti, and by a large margin.

 

 

Yeah but, how is nvidia gonna put a 450-600+ watt 4090 inside of a laptop? This is not possible.  Fortunately the 4090 is pretty efficient so they managed to get about 50-60% of its performance. 
 

The 4090 mobile is getting 14,450 ish in port royal with some tweaking. That is FAST! Yes, I can get faster with my 3090 KP. I can get 16K in port royal. But, my GPU with waterblock alone cost nearly as much as that $2,800 dollar laptop. So, it’s really not all bad.

 

I do know the 4090 laptop also scored sub 23K in Timespy graphics. That nearly matches my 3090KP, which is substantially faster than a 3090Ti. 
 

I know people are complaining. But, I am really wondering how would it be possible to have a “True” 4090 in a laptop at all? If this is a limitation all together, then it is what it is right?

 

 

 

 

[Etern4l]

15 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Yeah but, how is nvidia gonna put a 450-600+ watt 4090 inside of a laptop? This is not possible.  Fortunately the 4090 is pretty efficient so they managed to get about 50-60% of its performance. 
 

The 4090 mobile is getting 14,450 ish in port royal with some tweaking. That is FAST! Yes, I can get faster with my 3090 KP. I can get 16K in port royal. But, my GPU with waterblock alone cost nearly as much as that $2,800 dollar laptop. So, it’s really not all bad.

 

I do know the 4090 laptop also scored sub 23K in Timespy graphics. That nearly matches my 3090KP, which is substantially faster than a 3090Ti. 
 

I know people are complaining. But, I am really wondering how would it be possible to have a “True” 4090 in a laptop at all? If this is a limitation all together, then it is what it is right?

 

 

 

 

 

The complaint is more around their general  marketing practices. Gimped product re-releases, ever more gimped VRAM bandwidth, "4090" half the speed of the real thing. At the very least they should have slapped an M or Max-Q on. 

 

BTW Last time I checked my 3090 Ti FE scored around 23k in TS Graphics with some very mild OC (that Micron VRAM makes me nervous lol). Clearly, it would go further on air alone if I made any serious effort (case fans were idle-ish I think), not to mention inside a water block with a chiller attached. Not even going into shunt modding. 

[tps3443]

53 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

The complaint is more around their general  marketing practices. Gimped product re-releases, ever more gimped VRAM bandwidth, "4090" half the speed of the real thing. At the very least they should have slapped an M or Max-Q on. 

 

BTW Last time I checked my 3090 Ti FE scored around 23k in TS Graphics with some very mild OC (that Micron VRAM makes me nervous lol). Clearly, it would go further on air alone if I made any serious effort (case fans were idle-ish I think), not to mention inside a water block with a chiller attached. Not even going into shunt modding. 

Ok. I had no idea 3090Ti got that on air.
 

When I benched my 11900K/3090 in Timespy I was #1 with this setup.

[Etern4l]

11 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Ok. I had no idea 3090Ti got that on air.
 

When I benched my 11900K/3090 in Timespy I was #1 with this setup.

 

Hardly surprising. Shunt-modded?

 

25400 TS graphics on the 3090Ti: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/29439566

[tps3443]

3 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Hardly surprising. Shunt-modded?

No, just using the xoc bios. Just checked I’m still #1 with 11900K/3090. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Yeah but, how is nvidia gonna put a 450-600+ watt 4090 inside of a laptop?

It is possible, and I used as many as three 330W AC adapters with dual 200W 980 Mobile GPUs in SLI running inside of a Clevo with a desktop CPU. But, definitely not possible in the modern babygirl turdbooks they are churning out now like digital diarrhea . 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

Hardly surprising. Shunt-modded?

 

25400 TS graphics on the 3090Ti: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/29439566

You don’t need to shunt mod a 3090 or 3090Ti, you just flash the bios. We only shunt mod as a last resort when there is no bios available to flash with.

 

But yeah that’s amazing. I have not ran 3DMark one single time on my 13900K. I may revisit this 

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[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

It is possible, and I used as many as three 330W AC adapters with dual 200W 980 Mobile GPUs in SLI running inside of a Clevo with a desktop CPU. But, definitely not possible in the modern babygirl turdbooks they are churning out now like digital diarrhea . 

They could manage put in an real 4090 die (AD102) and GDDR6X into 18 inch sized laptops. All other smaller 4090 laptops should be branded down to the more correct 4080 Mobile. Just make the frame around the 18 inch screen wider and the whole shassis would be bigger to fit bigger MB. But nope. The gamer kids want Apple design nowadays. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Shunt modding helped my 2080 Ti FTW3 even with the 2000W vBIOS because it reported half of the actual power utlization (basically lied) and that allowed me to eek more voltage out of it and a higher overclock. I was able to increase the maximum voltage and the boost voltage automatically went higher than it would before shunt modding.

[Papusan]

You need a specifid USB to flash bios. New modern USB sticks has to be better, LOOL 

 

The new and modern just follow the trend, HaHa

 

EVGA BIOS Update USB Stick Issues - Flashing Corrupted BIOS on Z790 DARK KINGPIN

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

You need a specifid USB to flash bios. New modern USB sticks has to be better, LOOL 

 

The new and modern just follow the trend, HaHa

 

EVGA BIOS Update USB Stick Issues - Flashing Corrupted BIOS on Z790 DARK KINGPIN

Yes, this was true on my Unify-X, Z490 Dark, also on my Z690 Dark and both Strix Z690 motherboards. The USB flashback function has only worked for me with my two oldest USB 2.0 flash drives. All others fail. The newer USB 2.0 and all USB 3.X drives I have tried either cannot be read from the beginning, or the flash fails partway through the process. I also find it to work consistently with those two old USB 2.0 flash drives formatted at FAT16 (FAT). Sometimes detecting  and reading files from FAT32 does not work on the first try.

 

As usual, newer is always better newer.

[Mr. Fox]

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The Dell Precision turdbook I have handles what I need it to, and it's built like a tank. All metal and carbon fiber... super heavy, nice 17-inch IPS screen, and a total breeze to work on. It reminds me of when Alienware made good laptops. The Quadro P5000 16GB GPU is MXM, but the CPU is a chintzy BGA abortion. It has 4 DDR4 slots, 2 NVMe and a 2.5 inch drive bay (all filled) and I bought it as an off-lease grade A refurb for a little under $500. It is worth more to me for the reason that I have it and a much more sensible option financially than a crappy thin and light, thermal throttled, scortched earth, disposable gamerboy piece of garbage.

Speaking of this critter I call Halfbreed, I replaced the lid and palmrest last weekend with new ones from PartsPeople. Aside from the BGA CPU engineering defect, the rest of it is a really good product. Much better than the newest trashbooks.

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

As usual, newer is always better newer.

Yep, and I enjoy the old🙂 Have a brand new graphics card lying on the table, but no hurry put it in the desktop. 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5211072_papusan_3dmark05_geforce_gtx_480_81857_marks?recalculate=true

 

Alienware have got competition. Who offer the best build quality...

 

Btw. This is what Nvidia offer the Laptop jockey's. New hardware features. Almost as Microsoft toying with Windows Moment", LOOL

 

RTX 4000 mobile series officially released.

Papusan replied to VEGGIM's topic in Tech News

 

nvidia joking with their customers. I expect people accept being scammed...  14:27

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Alienware have got competition. Who offer the best build quality...

That is truly horrible. Straight out of the Alienware playbook:

• Beyond absurdly insane overpricing
• Extremely ugly aesthetically
• Tacky gimmicks (the stupid touch panel)
• Compromised components
• Includes proprietary garbage
• Castrated firmware

Yes, it is sad to think it could be true, there actually are people dumb enough to pay $5000 for this piece of junk. I can't decide which one is the ugliest to look at.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Btw. This is what Nvidia offer the Laptop jockey's. New hardware features. Almost as Microsoft toying with Windows Moment", LOOL

 

RTX 4000 mobile series officially released.

Papusan replied to VEGGIM's topic in Tech News

 

nvidia joking with their customers. I expect people accept being scammed...  14:27

That truly is a scam. It will go unpuniished because there are peoplle that spend money on it. Same problem as above... ignorant consumer, dishonest tech company.

[ryan]

oh you 2

 

@tps3443 was just saying its a good deal performance wise....can you build me a 3090ti desktop screen and all for 2800? probably not and if it has a 1440p screen id be suprised...but hey you guys are the experts and im following suite

[Papusan]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is truly horrible. Straight out of the Alienware playbook:

• Beyond absurdly insane overpricing
• Extremely ugly aesthetically
• Tacky gimmicks (the stupid touch panel)
• Compromised components
• Includes proprietary garbage
• Castrated firmware

Yes, it is sad to think it could be true, there actually are people dumb enough to pay $5000 for this piece of junk. I can't decide which one is the ugliest to look at.

That truly is a scam. It will go unpuniished because there are peoplle that spend money on it. Same problem as above... ignorant consumer, dishonest tech company.

Yep. Bro Fox. Not much of a difference betweeen Jokeboks and desktops if you go with the wrong desktop.

 

@ryanif he go with a prebuilt desktop.... Be damn careful. 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5211136_papusan_3dmark06_geforce_gtx_480_47993_marks?recalculate=true

 

[ryan]

any vendors you would recommend or should I just learn to build

[Papusan]

36 minutes ago, ryan said:

any vendors you would recommend or should I just learn to build

Learn how to build. Loads of videos on Youtube. And I live here and we have a couple of webshops that build PC's. Damn expensive, but you pick what you want and I think the build quality is ok. This as long you stay away from parts you don't want. They will often offer what they themself have the best deals on. Not what you want. 

 

Improved to 12th - 3DM 06 with GTX 480. Yep, not the newer awful priced 4080🙂

https://hwbot.org/submission/5211158_papusan_3dmark06_geforce_gtx_480_50616_marks?recalculate=true

[tps3443]

7 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Hardly surprising. Shunt-modded?

 

25400 TS graphics on the 3090Ti: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/29439566

 

Just a follow up on this. 
 

That is actually a 3090Ti Kingpin you shared a benchmark of with a 25,200 graphics score. So I started benching my 3090 Kingpin in comparison to see where it’s at. 
 

I could not get 25,200.. But I did get 24,536 😎. I have not ran 3DMark in ages. I’m actually quite surprised by this run.  
 

Normal 15C daily water temp. 2,235Mhz locked boost and my memory is at 22,950gbps

 

 

https://www.3DMark.com/3dm/89765069

[ryan]

damn. I noticed your core clock stays steady...might seem rook but how did you do that? do you need a special vbios

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

nvidia joking with their customers. I expect people accept being scammed...  14:27

 

1 hour ago, ryan said:

oh you 2

 

@tps3443 was just saying its a good deal performance wise....can you build me a 3090ti desktop screen and all for 2800? probably not and if it has a 1440p screen id be suprised...but hey you guys are the experts and im following suite

I think you misunderstood what we were talking about. We were not talking about that Clevo from Cyberpower that @tps3443mentioned.

 

Besides that garbage MSI desktop joke, I was commenting about the scam in the video. See the link 14:27

[ryan]

I guess so yeah I thought you guys were saying the 4090 laptop was a joke because its bga and therefore a waste of money. but hey happens.

 

I think its a great deal if you keep it for 5 years, otherwise its a easy pass. as for the small desktop not good you need space

[tps3443]

2 minutes ago, ryan said:

damn. I noticed your core clock stays steady...might seem rook but how did you do that? do you need a special vbios

They did not before. After adding a 3rd D5 pump to my water loop my load GPU temps actually dropped by 10-13C. It turned the Kingpin Hydro Copper water block that was hated and picked on for poor performance by many, in to a real maniac of a performer. 
 

With a 15C water temp it actually runs like 22C-23C in games usually under load. 🤣 before it would run about 35C maybe a little more. 
 

I am running a chiller, but with the 3rd pump, it also improved the chillers cooling power. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

I guess so yeah I thought you guys were saying the 4090 laptop was a joke because its bga and therefore a waste of money. but hey happens.

 

I think its a great deal if you keep it for 5 years, otherwise its a easy pass. as for the small desktop not good you need space

It is a joke, but we moved on past that.
Yeah, click that link and you'll see what scam we are talking about. Total ripoff. 14:27

1 hour ago, ryan said:

damn. I noticed your core clock stays steady...might seem rook but how did you do that? do you need a special vbios

No, you need a desktop that doesn't get hotter by the second while you are using it.