*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[jaybee83]

22 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Already in Windows at 6400mhz 1-1, changed nothing but frequency!

Couldn't get past windows loading screen before!

These are stock 6000mhz sticks...The Egg may be getting some more of my hard earned credit/cash soon 🙂

 

 

yeah, the new agesa not only improves Gear 1 max frequencies but also compatibility with 4 DIMMs! check out 128 GB at 6000+ Mhz: 

 

 

hows ur stability at 6400? i assume ull do some tightening of timings 😉 also be sure to check how high u can go with gear 2 and post AIDA results. havent seen any yet aside from game testing or zentimings screenshots...

 

soooo whatcha planning to get on the egg? 😉 

 

[Papusan]

9 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

yeah, the new agesa not only improves Gear 1 max frequencies but also compatibility with 4 DIMMs! check out 128 GB at 6000+ Mhz: 

 

 

hows ur stability at 6400? i assume ull do some tightening of timings 😉 also be sure to check how high u can go with gear 2 and post AIDA results. havent seen any yet aside from game testing or zentimings screenshots...

 

soooo whatcha planning to get on the egg? 😉 

 

AMD Details Tweaks Behind Recent Memory Overclocking Improvements tomshardware

Want better gaming performance for about same or less money then scrap the idea of upgrade to 13900K if you are on DDR4 motherboard. Rather spend them on a cheap DDR5 board and a kit fast DDR5 memory if you have the 12900K. 

 

 

[ryan]

I had a dum dum moment again, ha all the top 3060 scores are with ddr5 ram at 4788mhz vs my ddr4 3200mhz. for what its worth I have the number one spot for my hardware configuration, although I like benching my daily clocks for gaming are always stock and after a few tweaks and a fresh install im managing 18k in firestrke stock with strong cpu and gpu performance. I think as of right now im saving for a desktop hopefully in 2 years once this laptop won't game at 1080p/4k ill be able to afford a killer desktop.

 

heres stock, thank gawd I figured out my scores, true blonde moment clearly the ram has alot to do with scores and its funny because you guy are constantly talking about overclocking and tuning ram.

 

 

also id like to add

 

what  happened to @tps3443 I think he got a even better sample and ran for the hills with it living in seclusion for his remaining years as a overclocker kinda akin to bobby fischer. poor soul...lol...come back man I'm sure you can show us more benchmarks.

[Mr. Fox]

22 hours ago, Raiderman said:

I just thought of something that might be kind of cool. Not sure if anyone would be into it though.

What about setting up a zoom video call with the Overclock thread guys every now and then? Anything goes, type call. Just to shoot the S**t, or talk about new and interesting things?

I don't know, it just popped in my head a second ago....

The guys from extremehw.net often do that in their discord server. I've only participated a couple of times but it's still kind of nice to get to hear the voice and/or see the face of a person that you interact with frequently in a forum.

 

Thanks to the wonders of AI we also now have to think about voice cloning as a tool in identity theft. Isn't that special. I wonder how much longer until we see bots harvesting audio clips like they do email addresses and phone numbers posted on the web?

[Mr. Fox]

GPUs should not be shipped installed in a system. Has always been a bad idea, but even more so now that they are so big and heavy.

 

 

 

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

GPUs should not be shipped installed in a system. Has always been a bad idea, but even more so now that they are so big and heavy.

 

 

 

They should do as Cablemod reps say.... Unplug it😁

And another fix... Is to make cute small home-cocked cards with a massive GPU stand mounted properly in the mini chassis bottom. A real proprietary lock that can almost glue the GPU to the chassis. 

 

It won't be fixed properly as long we see stupid made7designed GPU PCBs.

 

S in short.........

[Mr. Fox]

Two in a row, same day, for Gigabutt Garbage. Same exact problem with an identical component. Nice.

 

 

[Papusan]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Two in a row, same day, for Gigabutt Garbage. Same exact problem with an identical component. Nice.

 

 

Equal tragic as this summer here home. And it will be worse.... https://www.nrk.no/innlandet/venter-ekstreme-nedborsmengder-pa-ostlandet_-trondelag-og-more-og-romsdal-1.16506419 - Tranlated

 

May be the worst within the last 25 years

[ryan]

100mm. Can be very serious. Cause for concern. Did you tap out with your 980? I've been benching my 3060 for too long.  time for an upgrade but I'm not sure if it's a good time with the markets about to crash

[Papusan]

On 3/21/2023 at 10:42 AM, Papusan said:

Thats nice👍 All systems I have seen with 6900XT and Win 7 is with ASUS boards. Sad EVGA haven't fixed this. But this is not the only problem with the best board from EVGA. They even struggle have compatibility with some 4090 graphics cards. And same for the Z790 as with the older Z690. 

 

It rubs me the wrong way when I hear something like this with boards solely meant for OC'ing.

And it seems Evga still can't fix their high end motherboards compatibility problems with newer graphics cards. This is just sad.... When was 4090 released? October last year?

 

"I figured its just the card and Board that does not gel together with Gskill ram." All this works on a low end Gigabyte Z790 board but not the EVGA.

 

 https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-4090-owners-club.1800847/post-29222392

 

On 2/8/2023 at 9:35 PM, Papusan said:

This is just lovely. None of the last two gen Dark Kingpin motherboards work with the trashboat (Zotac 4090). How is this even possible? 4090 was out in October last year and now we are into 2nd week of Feb 2023. almost 4 months. And Dark Kingpin Z690 have been here over a year.

 

 

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/223312-z790-dark-kingpin-and-13900ks/

 

 

Edit.  @Reciever The forum have been lagging the last days. Not as responsive anymore. 

 

 

[jaybee83]

finally some aida results for ddr5-8000 on AM5:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16jMBDVEvNFkjkJ-RBW5hllsVdHgxVyaGMvY-Fz_ONtE/htmlview#

 

latency is roughly the same as 6000-6400 with tightened timings, thus the identical gaming perf. we saw before. but its got a nice bandwidth boost, thats what i was hoping for! 😁

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

And it seems Evga still can't fix their high end motherboards compatibility problems with newer graphics cards. This is just sad.... When was 4090 released? October last year?

 

"I figured its just the card and Board that does not gel together with Gskill ram." All this works on a low end Gigabyte Z790 board but not the EVGA.

 

 https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-4090-owners-club.1800847/post-29222392

 

It is only a couple of brands that have something goofy in their vBIOS. My 4090 works flawlessly with the Z690 Dark. Gigabutt and Zotrash would need to help EVGA make accomodations for their UEFI weirdness, which they never did or were not willing to do. EVGA has been hated and ostracized for their elitism, superiority and commitment to being better than the Kool-Aid drinkers for a long time, so it is not surprising they are headed toward extinction. It seems like that happens to any person, organization or company that dares to do the right thing or strives for excellence. The blame rests on Gigabutt and Zotrash though. When EVGA is gone only the trashmasters will remain, and we will have to decide whose broken trash is the least broken and trashy.

[jaybee83]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

When EVGA is gone only the trashmasters will remain, and we will have to decide whose broken trash is the least broken and trashy.

 

geez cant decide whether to laugh or cry at that 🥲

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

geez cant decide whether to laugh or cry at that 🥲

It's worth crying over, but the humorous hyperbole helps me cope with the unpleasant reality of the disaster we are headed for. They were the last and only motherboard manufacturer that provided firmware that puts the final decision about certain things in the hands of end users, while their competitors ram it all up our butts whether we want it or not.

 

For example, the US Government (and probably others) won't allow any computer system connected to their internal networks to function with Intel ME enabled because it is a massive security hole. It also impairs performance by enabling other worthless trash like Intel Watchdog Timer. It's OK for consumers to have the risk exposure though, yet the only solution for consumers disabling it with a simple BIOS option has been provided by EVGA. It is so naughty of them to let their customers decide if they want the filth.

 

Another example is the option to choose to go full legacy boot (not UEFI with CSM) if you want to. That may also have something to do with the Zotac and Gigabyte 40-series compatibility issues, not to mention the excommunicado treatment from NVIDIA for not drinking the neon green Kool-Aid. When you go against the flow, it comes at a cost. Few are willing to do what's right when it costs them something to do the right thing.

 

 

The Heroes and Righteous of the world will always be punished for doing the right thing. Here's another random example of exactly that: Stockton police investigating 7-Eleven workers in viral beatdown (Caught on live video beating the stuffing out of a would-be robber that deserved far worse, now facing bogus assault charges instead of reward and recognition due to corrupt leadership that deliberately chooses to never do the right thing.)

[ryan]

just being bored 😞

 

Has anyone heard anything about the 5k series of nvidia gpus? probably too early but it would be interesting to know if it's actually going to be a leap like last time, if its just going to be 20 percent I might jump on to a 4090 desktop setup.

 

found this:

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, ryan said:

just being bored 😞

 

Has anyone heard anything about the 5k series of nvidia gpus? probably too early but it would be interesting to know if it's actually going to be a leap like last time, if its just going to be 20 percent I might jump on to a 4090 desktop setup.

 

found this:

 

 

I haven't heard anything that I would take to the bank yet on price, performance or release date. There is such a head start on AMD with 4090 that I would imagine it might not be for another year or until AMD releases something powerful enough to take the crown from NVIDIA, whichever comes first. If I were NVIDIA, I would not release a faster and more powerful GPU until I needed to in order to beat the competition. I'd milk my current flagship until there was no milk left. I'd get it ready and hit the pause button until I had a reason to put it into production.

[jaybee83]

11 hours ago, ryan said:

just being bored 😞

 

Has anyone heard anything about the 5k series of nvidia gpus? probably too early but it would be interesting to know if it's actually going to be a leap like last time, if its just going to be 20 percent I might jump on to a 4090 desktop setup.

 

found this:

 

 

 

latest rumours: rtx 50 series release date pushed to 2025 (usually 2 years would normally mean fall 2024), 4090 Ti canceled and 5090 supposedly sporting a 512 bit wide vRAM bus, but no idea yet if thats on higher performance GDDR6X vs what we have now or first gen GDDR7.

 

you purchase decision should revolve around the following: are the prices ok for you right now? and is the leftover lifetime of the current cycle sufficient for you to not have buyer's remorse once 50 series comes out?

id wager were still early in the cycle, havent even reached the midway point yet. so u got about 1.5-2 years left to enjoy the 4090 as the top dog basically.

[Etern4l]

The latest MSI BIOS update added support for the upcoming Intel CPUs. Will Intel do it (+33% MT performance) again? Somewhat unlikely given it's still the same socket and fab process I guess, unless the CPUs ship with LN2 cooling lol.

[ryan]

Im torn, I have this 3060 laptop and for the games I play its enough, but in games like grid legends I have to play with medium settings and on that particular game the difference between ultra and medium is pretty big visually. I just need a game to justify a 3k purchase the same thing that happened with crysis. if starfield turns out to be as good as they say it will be, it might push me to get a 3080-4090 desktop, one things for sure unless laptop prices go down ill never buy one again for gaming at least. on a happy note my sn850x should be in the mail soon, probably get it friday. bit overkill having 3tb for like 4 games and the odd benchmark program

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

The latest MSI BIOS update added support for the upcoming Intel CPUs. Will Intel do it (+33% MT performance) again? Somewhat unlikely given it's still the same socket and fab process I guess, unless the CPUs ship with LN2 cooling lol.

 

ha i highly doubt that, at least not on the highend skus. on the plus side, we get three cpu gens on the same socket, my lady's machine will be happy about that 😁 should be a nice lil perf boost going from a 12600 to a 14900K lulz. plus imc should also provide benefits in higher ram clocks / tighter timings.

 

2 hours ago, ryan said:

Im torn, I have this 3060 laptop and for the games I play its enough, but in games like grid legends I have to play with medium settings and on that particular game the difference between ultra and medium is pretty big visually. I just need a game to justify a 3k purchase the same thing that happened with crysis. if starfield turns out to be as good as they say it will be, it might push me to get a 3080-4090 desktop, one things for sure unless laptop prices go down ill never buy one again for gaming at least. on a happy note my sn850x should be in the mail soon, probably get it friday. bit overkill having 3tb for like 4 games and the odd benchmark program

 

yeah thats one thing nobody can really help you with: personal justification for a purchase.

 

if youre a guy who spends his money sensibly and needs proper justification then id probably go with a good value desktop build, i.e. AM4 with a 5800X3D and a 6700XT for best gaming bang per buck currently. on the benching side, as @Papusanalready mentioned, makes more sense to bench old hardware than new, thats where most bot points can be gained anyways due to much wider range of possibilities.

 

my desktop purchase was a mix of strategical longterm planning and going for the latest and greatest / max performance. in all my previous builds, be it desktop or laptop, my main goal was always to maximize platform longevity. i like to be able and regularly upgrade individual components while keeping the same base. thats why i went for AM5, so ill be able to keep upgrading and build around it for quite a few years to come 🙂 at the same time, i waited for the 40 series to emerge to be able and maximize the utilized lifetime of the gpu.

 

as for proper justification for this purchase? welp, my actual usage case is a mix of work / gaming / media consumption, collection, transcoding / benching & tuning (24/7 stability, not hwbot points). that doesnt justify this kind of overpowered hardware haha. so the rest is my hardware enthusiast heart speaking 😁

[Mr. Fox]

I picked up another TF2 flow/temp meter new on eBay for a bit more than half normal price to install in the Dark Base Pro.

[Papusan]

14 hours ago, ryan said:

just being bored 😞

 

Has anyone heard anything about the 5k series of nvidia gpus? probably too early but it would be interesting to know if it's actually going to be a leap like last time, if its just going to be 20 percent I might jump on to a 4090 desktop setup.

 

found this:

 

 

Nice. 350-400W just mean they don't want the performance crown. In short.... With this low power target you won't see melt hell😁 Yep,AMD don't need the mini-fit 12+2 terminals.

Rip my 4090

 

4090 Repair update - Not fixable due to connector shortage (Northridgefix)

Just received an email after 5 days of waiting regarding the repair status of my 4090. I've been informed they won't be able to fix it unless I can provide the Asus reverse connector as they've been unable to source the part recently.

 

Probably because so many melted Asus cards that have been repaired 🙂

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

55 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Nice. 350-400W just mean they don't want the performance crown. In short.... With this low power target you won't see melt hell😁 Yep,AMD don't need the mini-fit 12+2 terminals.

Rip my 4090

 

4090 Repair update - Not fixable due to connector shortage (Northridgefix)

Just received an email after 5 days of waiting regarding the repair status of my 4090. I've been informed they won't be able to fix it unless I can provide the Asus reverse connector as they've been unable to source the part recently.

 

Probably because so many melted Asus cards that have been repaired 🙂

 

 

 

Sad news about the connector shortage. So stupid that ASUS decided to use an oddball design, but actually good news for anyone that did not waste their money on a 4090 made by ASUS. Good that all of the burned ASUS cards haven't depleted the stock for the "normal" 12VHPWR connectors that everyone else would need.

I think that guy (byzking) might be trolling. I have two CableMod cables and the adapter that I am not using. I had zero issues with the cables, or the 90° adapter. I stopped using the adapter just to be safe, plus I no longer need it on the open bench. I would still be using the cables except I have no need for them since both of the desktops now have ATX 3.0 Corsair RM1200x SHIFT PSUs.

[Papusan]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sad news about the connector shortage. So stupid that ASUS decided to use an oddball design, but actually good news for anyone that did not waste their money on a 4090 made by ASUS. Good that all of the burned ASUS cards haven't depleted the stock for the "normal" 12VHPWR connectors that everyone else would need.

I think that guy (byzking) might be trolling. I have two CableMod cables and the adapter that I am not using. I had zero issues with the cables, or the 90° adapter. I stopped using the adapter just to be safe, plus I no longer need it on the open bench. I would still be using the cables except I have no need for them since both of the desktops now have ATX 3.0 Corsair RM1200x SHIFT PSUs.

CableMod have two issues... Melted adapters + their 12VHPWR cables that have problems with the sense cables. They will come out from the terminal after some times use. Their quality issues with own 12VHPWR products is amazing. Their QC at the Chineese factories is a huge JOKE. 

 

Regarding Asus engineers went the opposite way and went with reverse connectors on the PCB. Why? Is it more expensive make the heatink slightly different vs the PCB? Or because they thought it was easier for the gamer kids to mount and unmount the fragile 12VHPWR connector with this design? My thought on this... They wanted to help people to mount the fragile connector to the card. Almost like they think everyone is helpless

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Nice. 350-400W just mean they don't want the performance crown. In short.... With this low power target you won't see melt hell😁 Yep,AMD don't need the mini-fit 12+2 terminals.

Rip my 4090

 

4090 Repair update - Not fixable due to connector shortage (Northridgefix)

Just received an email after 5 days of waiting regarding the repair status of my 4090. I've been informed they won't be able to fix it unless I can provide the Asus reverse connector as they've been unable to source the part recently.

 

Probably because so many melted Asus cards that have been repaired 🙂

 

 

 

wait wat?! ive seen reports of the new type 4090 with max 1.07V but they cant even be crossflashed? seriously? 🫠

boy ive never been so glad to be on the early adopter / bleeding edge... ill cherish my suprim X! 😅