*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

No price increase for the Intel Core 14000 series

• Processors
• today 11:22

Fresh images confirm that the Core 14000 "Raptor Lake Refresh" for desktops will retain the same target price as the previous generation.

 

That's very good news. Nice to see Intel is not milking the inflation problem as an excuse to jack up prices more than the inflation rate. Now let's see how many retail scalpers toe the line.

21 minutes ago, ryan said:

Its alright, I downloaded the multiplayer beta that is on offer at steam. im getting 35fps average at 4k/high which is really good for a 2023 game, seems well optimised but as usual game looks meh, 2005-2006 graphics. gameplay is nice, just not a fan of multiplayer at the moment.

 

 

I hope that's not an indication that the new CoD release is going to be missing a campaign. If it is, I will have to skip this one too. I hope not. That will really suck. I hate online multiplayer and having to have an internet connection to play is also sucky. I was very disappointed with the last one being online multiplayer only. When I found out the last one had no single player campaign it was like, whatever, I don't care anymore.

 

With the Redmond Reprobates buying Blizzard, it's probably a safe bet that they will ruin everything. They excel at screwing things up.

[ryan]

thats the kicker, if it has a campaign its an instant buy down the line but if its just multiplayer ill pass or just dabble. Unless the graphics are revamped I don't see any reason for them to even release it

[Papusan]

On 10/2/2023 at 7:35 PM, Papusan said:

First step, ordered while I had the chance......... Asus Rog Z790 Apex Encore. $902 USD ($720 without the 25% Norwegian tax). I still can't see any 14900K in the shops. I'll continue follow up this one🙂

 

 

Edit. Z790 Apex Encore: spotted in Norway!

https://overclocking.com/z790-apex-encore-reperee-en-norvege/

 

 

What if we could pick up one before release date?🙂

 

The beauty is in in the details... Some people think they have found up the wheel a second time.

 

 

Step two. Ordered the 14900K. Only 3 stock left now 🙂 7790,- nok = $711 USD or $569 without tax. So cheaper than Intel's $589 MSRP without the Norwegian tax. Will arrive Papusan's plaza between 18-24 October.

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That's very good news. Nice to see Intel is not milking the inflation problem as an excuse to jack up prices more than the inflation rate. Now let's see how many retail scalpers toe the line.

 

Yep that's  good news. In facts $569 without the dreaded Norwegian tax means cheaper than Intel's MSRP 🙂 And this in the hight cost country as Norway.

 

Edit. The only difference between 14900K vs 13900KS I can spot is the one bin higher clocks on the baby cores. Yup, Intel know how to milk.

 

[cylix]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

That's very good news. Nice to see Intel is not milking the inflation problem as an excuse to jack up prices more than the inflation rate. Now let's see how many retail scalpers toe the line.

I hope that's not an indication that the new CoD release is going to be missing a campaign. If it is, I will have to skip this one too. I hope not. That will really suck. I hate online multiplayer and having to have an internet connection to play is also sucky. I was very disappointed with the last one being online multiplayer only. When I found out the last one had no single player campaign it was like, whatever, I don't care anymore.

 

With the Redmond Reprobates buying Blizzard, it's probably a safe bet that they will ruin everything. They excel at screwing things up.

I think you are referring to CoD warzone game that is free and that is multi-player only but every CoD base game has single player campaign.  Last ones are CoD Modernwafare I and Modernwarfare II and now the soon to be released  III all have SP campaign 👍

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

30 minutes ago, cylix said:

I think you are referring to CoD warzone game that is free and that is multi-player only but every CoD base game has single player campaign.  Last ones are CoD Modernwafare I and Modernwarfare II and now the soon to be released  III all have SP campaign 👍

 

 

 

 

Awesome. More good news. Yes, I think it was War Zone, but maybe not because it was not free. At least not at the start. I remember this because I was about to pull the trigger on buying it and I always Google search to make sure that games I plan to buy have a single-player campaign and that one did not. So, it got scratched off my list. I got burned a couple of times on games that looked pretty sweet but ended up being online multi-player only, so I am always a bit leery of getting screwed like that.

Now, I will just have to wait for the price to drop to $20-$30. I love CoD titles. I have every one of them except for the one mentioned. The MWIII trailer looks great.

[ryan]

@Mr. Fox

 

For the NUC debacle santa from canada might have a present. keep your eyes on a PM(sent) on the 27th. you might just be able to play/bench the game sooner.

 

And I might pull the trigger on all three new COD games and do a binge, feels like I have to force myself to play and beat a game, fish out of water. I really enjoyed COD from 2007 and if I don't enjoy the new games that everyone loves I guess ill give up on gaming, why buy a gaming laptop and not game.

 

I think as you get older gaming become less intriguing, and interesting, fun as pulling teeth at the dentists. but every once on a blue moon it is enjoyable. I will try to beat forza motorsport and starfield then COD(remakes). and then I'd say the 2200 iv'e invested in my laptop is semi-worth it.

 

Bro @PapusanI'm actually happy for you, not sure why but its going to be interesting to see what you and the others can do with the new chips. 

[Mr. Fox]

14 minutes ago, ryan said:

For the NUC debacle santa from canada might have a present. keep your eyes on a PM(sent) on the 27th. you might just be able to play/bench the game sooner.

I sold the NUC to Brother @serpro69. 

[ryan]

Im glad you sold it, but the point is I unintentionally made you wait, time is money for everyone regardless of situation.

 

I sent you a PM as it's more of a private issue.

 

At any rate ill keep you posted, I can't post keys in the forum anymore so I guess ill just send people PMs from now on.

 

Maybe I missed it but are you buying a 14k CPU? and is now a good time to get a 14k cpu and a 3k series gpu or should I go for a 4080? In december I will be buying a desktop on boxing day just need to know what the pros think, advice or suggestions.

[cylix]

AI is also gonna do the overclocking for us. This thing is getting out of hands..

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-launches-14th-gen-raptor-lake-refresh-core-i9-14900k-i7-14700k-and-i5-14600k-on-october-17

 

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Intel is also debuting a new AI Assist program baked into its XTU tuning utility, which leverages the power of machine learning to offer custom one-click overclocking settings for the Core i9 models, and a new Application Optimization (APO) program that detects certain games and automatically adjusts thread affinities to boost performance on the fly. Let's see how Intel says its gaming performance stacks up, then move on to specs, pricing, and more details on the new features.

 

[ryan]

1 minute ago, cylix said:

AI is also gonna do the overclocking for us. This thing is getting out of hands..

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-launches-14th-gen-raptor-lake-refresh-core-i9-14900k-i7-14700k-and-i5-14600k-on-october-17

 

 

it's great seeing that everything will be automated facepalm. but most games are gpu bottlenecked and cpu doesn't matter as much, I run 99 percent of games at 2.2ghz for temps and stability and net the same framerates as 4.6ghz I could post a pic from any game that exibits(99percent) this behaviour at 1440p-4k. I guess if you game at 480p or 720p cpu would matter quite a bit, I think nvidia needs to release a modern 980ti/1080ti monster. the 4090 is bad ass but I think the 980ti/1080ti were more revolutionary for their time. 1080ti still plays games at medium/4k/60

[Mr. Fox]

29 minutes ago, ryan said:

Im glad you sold it, but the point is I unintentionally made you wait, time is money for everyone regardless of situation.

 

I sent you a PM as it's more of a private issue.

 

At any rate ill keep you posted, I can't post keys in the forum anymore so I guess ill just send people PMs from now on.

 

Maybe I missed it but are you buying a 14k CPU? and is now a good time to get a 14k cpu and a 3k series gpu or should I go for a 4080? In december I will be buying a desktop on boxing day just need to know what the pros think, advice or suggestions.

No, I am not buying a 14900K at this time. I have two 13900KS and a 13900K so there is not a good reason for me, but I think it will be a good CPU for someone buying or building a new system. I would only buy a 3090/3090 Ti, 4080 or 4090. I would not recommend a 3080/3080Ti or an AMD GPU.

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, cylix said:

AI is also gonna do the overclocking for us. This thing is getting out of hands..

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-launches-14th-gen-raptor-lake-refresh-core-i9-14900k-i7-14700k-and-i5-14600k-on-october-17

The gamer-kids need all the time for tuning in the bling bling. One click overclock have it's place into this but will come second or last. But.........

 

 

 

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And Dell Alienware will release new pc options for the hardcore gamer kids............

 

Alienware Aurora R16 Adds Intel 14th Gen Core, RTX 4090 Configurations

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, cylix said:

AI is also gonna do the overclocking for us. This thing is getting out of hands..

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-launches-14th-gen-raptor-lake-refresh-core-i9-14900k-i7-14700k-and-i5-14600k-on-october-17

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Papusan said:

The gamer-kids need all the time for tuning in the bling bling. One click overclock have it's place into this. But.........

 

 

 

 

Alienware Aurora R16 Adds Intel 14th Gen Core, RTX 4090 Configurations

AI is like everything else. The more accepted, popular and prevalent it becomes, the more it sucks and the more it gets abused. It's one of those things that we do not need and the world would be better off without.

[electrosoft]

Nice step through all of Asus's refreshed Z790 motherboards so you can really see the differences between all their motherrboard offerings. She goes over each board from low to high in detail if you're looking at Asus for your last hurrah build outs:

 

 

[Papusan]

8 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Nice step through all of Asus's refreshed Z790 motherboards so you can really see the differences between all their motherrboard offerings. She goes over each board from low to high in detail if you're looking at Asus for your last hurrah build outs:

 

 

 

 

Test: Intel 13th Gen on the ROG Maximus Z790 APEX Encore overclocking.com

 

Not much added features.... A mem fan kit that is oriented wrong vs the mem sticks placement. But I like the change going back to black.

 

 

DIMM Flex uses a thermal sensor installed on the back of the PCB under the memory modules as well as a controller to monitor temperatures. Depending on this, you can pre-define three profiles. When the temperature increases, you will move from profile 1 to 2, or even to 3 if necessary. If your kit is compatible then the option will be available within the BIOS. You can already take a look at the video posted by the ASUS team on this new option.

 

We will come back in more detail on this option during our overclocking tests with this ROG Maximus Z790 APEX Encore. Finally, there remains one option but which we cannot yet talk about since it is particularly related to the 14th generation processors. Still a little patience.

 

 

 

 

You can find Asus Rog Max Z790 Apex Encore on Asus webpage now... https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-maximus/rog-maximus-z790-apex-encore/spec/

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, cylix said:

AI is also gonna do the overclocking for us. This thing is getting out of hands..

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-launches-14th-gen-raptor-lake-refresh-core-i9-14900k-i7-14700k-and-i5-14600k-on-october-17

 

 

 

30 minutes ago, Papusan said:

The gamer-kids need all the time for tuning in the bling bling. One click overclock have it's place into this. But.........

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

AI is like everything else. The more accepted, popular and prevalent it becomes, the more it sucks and the more it gets abused. It's one of those things that we do not need and the world would be better off without.

 

AI has become the new catchphrase. A few years ago, we would simply call this, "smart boost technologies" or similar but let's see what AI can bring to the table in regards to extracting more exacting performance from CPUs based upon each CPUs characteristics.

 

I have yet to encounter boosting technologies that I was not able to transcend and eek out more performance above and beyond what they can do.

 

I have no problems with companies implementing auto enabled technologies that allow The Average User (TAU) from getting as much performance as possible from their purchased product automatically. That seems to be very pro consumer ....even if it is because Intel is locked in a massive battle finally with AMD so they need their chips to perform as well as possible and AMD was to market first with it extracting the bulk of the performance each chip could provide automatically.

[Vasudev]

12 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I would guess it is about the same, but that could vary from one system to the next on laptops depending on how good the heatsink contact and pressure is. The Honeywell pad works well because fit leaves something to be desired on most laptops. Brother @Vasudevmight be able to answer based on his experience. I did try the IC Diamond Graphite pad on a laptop several years ago and it was absolutely horrible... far worse than any thermal paste.

 

I love Call of Duty, but I do not buy new releases in most cases. They are generally $40-$50 more than I am willing to spend on a game, so I wait for the price to fall to $20-$30 even when it is a title I am very fond of. Crysis releases have generally been one of the rare exceptions. I did pass on the last release of Call of Duty that had no single-player campaign. I do not play online multi-player and that made it worthless to me.

@ryanhere is the thread where I discussed ICD HC pad. https://notebooktalk.net/topic/171-which-thermal-paste-to-buy-and-apply-traditional-and-liquid-metal/?do=findComment&comment=18122&_rid=188

The first pic is of AW 15 r2 and subsequent ones are from a decade old lenovo ivy-bridge  Pentium 2020M which needed repastes every 6 months even with cooler master maker gel due to dry-outs.

Tried HC pads on my sis's new laptop which was hitting max temps of 110C due to misconfigured power driver from lenovo that caused 5875u to use 75w. https://notebooktalk.net/topic/1276-thinkpad-l14-gen-3-amd-mini-review/#comment-31596

@Mr. FoxThe first version of ICD graphite sheet which was same as PGS didn't have much reviews and performed worse than top end pastes.

[electrosoft]

De8auer crapping all over 14th gen....

 

Please note when he shows the chips side by side you can see thermal residue on both so you know he is speaking from a position of having already tested it and I suspect tomorrow's results are going to show big 'ole nothing burger but on the positive side Intel keeps the pricing the same and gives you a nice bin up from 13900k -> 14900k at no increased cost so I see no problems with this refresh.

 

If you're a new buyer who was going to get a 13900k you now just get a 14900k for the same price and carry on with a very modest performance boost.

 

 

 

[ryan]

yeah I might jump this ship in december/early january. or might wait(never ending). I think with the 4090 nows a good time to jump ship but I think nvidia has big plans for the 5090 ect because of the recent advances in AI the jump could be monumental. who knows but them it would be nice if some intel got leaked.

 

I think thats a balanced view that automating the performance increases as a plus, because at the end of the day we are the minority not many people buy systems just to play the odd game/no game and strickly benchmark and tweak.

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, ryan said:

yeah I might jump this ship in december/early january. or might wait(never ending). I think with the 4090 nows a good time to jump ship but I think nvidia has big plans for the 5090 ect because of the recent advances in AI the jump could be monumental. who knows but them it would be nice if some intel got leaked.

 

I think thats a balanced view that automating the performance increases as a plus, because at the end of the day we are the minority not many people buy systems just to play the odd game/no game and strickly benchmark and tweak.

You could always build the base system and use an extremely inexpensive GPU like a $60 RX580 or a $160 GTX 1080 from AliExpress, then buy the GPU you decide you want later on. You could still do a lot of OK gaming (probably better overall than laptop) using the cheap GPU.

[ryan]

I thought of doing that, I think high resolution and 120fps is where its at for gaming and I do like the odd game. If I get a used desktop with an older cpu and a 4090 ill be able to game at decent framerates, but the cpu matters when gaming at higher refreshrates so id be missing out, id have to upgrade the cpu and motherboard/memory just after dropping the money on the desktop, but then again this might not be a bad idea as I think I saw some desktops with decent i7s for around 500 bucks. just save for another 3 months and upgrade the rest, gpu is still the most costly and just as important as the cpu in gaming. I checked out best buy and newegg. any places you would recommend for a used desktop.

[Papusan]

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

Step two. Ordered the 14900K. Only 3 stock left now🙂 7790,- nok = $711 USD or $569 without tax. So cheaper than Intel's $589 MSRP without the Norwegian tax. Will arrive Papusan's plaza between 18-24 October.

 

Right now. All of the 14900K/KF is sold out here home🙂 And for the records... The 14th gen chips got an nice discount under launch day here home. That probably also helped to sell out on first day.

 

 

And it seems nvidia also have no problem get rid of their 4090's.........

Nvidia RTX 4090 Prices Have Been Creeping Upward

Despite being Nvidia's most expensive consumer graphics card, demand for the RTX 4090 apparently remains high, and we've noticed that the Founders Edition model is routinely going out of stock regularly. It's the fastest card in our list of the best graphics cards, but for most of the past year it has been available at or just under MSRP. Now that's no longer true, as prices of AIB partner RTX 4090 cards have increased by $50 over the past month. At present, the least expensive 4090 cards we can find in stock cost $1,654.99 from Amazon or $1,649.99 at Newegg.

 

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Ready for CableMod round two?😁

 

Faulty 12VHPWR Adapter (v1.1)

 

[ryan]

highest score to date. cpu at 4.2ghz and gpu at 160/320

 

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, ryan said:

checked out best buy and newegg. any places you would recommend for a used desktop.

Maybe these guys. They have a YouTube channel I enjoy watching.

 

https://pcbros.tech/

 

This could be a good starter with decent gaming specs and lots of upgrade options for CPU and GPU for the bargain price of $1,000 to get your foot in the door.

 

https://pcbros.tech/products/intel-i3-12100f-rx-6600-xt-gaming-pc-in-stock

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

And it seems nvidia also have no problem get rid of their 4090's.........

Nvidia RTX 4090 Prices Have Been Creeping Upward

Despite being Nvidia's most expensive consumer graphics card, demand for the RTX 4090 apparently remains high, and we've noticed that the Founders Edition model is routinely going out of stock regularly. It's the fastest card in our list of the best graphics cards, but for most of the past year it has been available at or just under MSRP. Now that's no longer true, as prices of AIB partner RTX 4090 cards have increased by $50 over the past month. At present, the least expensive 4090 cards we can find in stock cost $1,654.99 from Amazon or $1,649.99 at Newegg.

 

 

Faulty 12VHPWR Adapter (v1.1)

 

 

Hmmm, I just checked Best Buy on a whim and out of the 9 models they carry they are out of stock on 6 of them so there might be some validity to a shortage. They are completely sold out / no stock of all the $1600 models. The few Gigabyte models they have are all up in price to $1700 and $1750 now.

 

Out of Newegg's 18 models shipped and sold by Newegg, 8 are out of stock and the lone $1599.99 model they carry (PNY) is out of stock.

 

Interesting....