*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

18 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Nvidia is selling to the AI sector hand over fist and their orders are backed up for months if not years. They can take their foot off the gas a bit and really extend and clear out the 4000 series till 2025 easily. It gives consumers some breathing room too.

 

 

With market conditions as they are in the consumer sector, Nvidia dominating all over the place and AMD basically giving up this time around it does make sense.

 

Only scenario I could possibly (even if ever so slight) see Nvidia launching the 5090 only as by reports it will be the card that has true separation from the 4000 series including the 4090. The 5080 is rumored to be weaker than the 4090 or at best on par which would be a bummer. Everything then devolves into a cross-over crapfest between 4000 and 5000 on a level as bad if not worse than 3000 and 4000.

 

Launch  5000 level AI, Launch halo 5090, keep things the same below it for 4-6 months if not longer since there is zero competition to fully extract maximum value from Ada. Wait for AMD and Intel to fire their salvos. Respond with destructive glee as always....

 

Speculation of the highest tier of course....(channeling my inner @johnksss 🤣)

 

 

 

 

 

Remember nvidia isn’t keen make new GeForce gaming cards now that can compete with their workstations cards. More vram for next gen gaming cards will reduce their profits. The reason 4090 is so damn expensive is because prosumers use them as workstations cards. +16-24GB vram is enough to use gaming cards as workstations cards for cheap. And offer cheap 16-24GB CARDS isn’t wanted. 

 

Edit. See also....

 

Interestingly, Nvidia seemingly makes no changes to Blackwell's memory sizes. Laptop users may not have access to 16GB until they scale up to the GeForce RTX 5080. This would be a minor improvement since Nvidia's current mobile Ada lineup doesn't offer a 16GB SKU unless you grab the flagship GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop. It's similar to AMD, which also only has the Radeon RX 7900M that comes with 16GB of memory.

 

 

Exactly what the gamers want. More shortage of next gen high end GPUs.

This PSU has enough juice to power four RTX 4090s — the HELA 2500R comes with four 12V-2x6 connectors and requires a special wall plug

 

 

Everything is about offer the worst of both worlds. Modern and disgusting.....

 

Intel Arc GPUs shown in all flavors — BTF design with hidden connectors, blower-type coolers, and liquid-cooled GPUs

 

These affordable, low-profile cards will give your SFF or mini-PC build a more powerful GPU than what integrated CPUs can deliver.

 

 

[Raiderman]

Kind of cool

 

 

 

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/98668/msi-z790-project-zero-plus-motherboard-adopts-camm2-memory-for-extreme-overclocking/index.html

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

Kind of cool

 

 

 

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/98668/msi-z790-project-zero-plus-motherboard-adopts-camm2-memory-for-extreme-overclocking/index.html

 

 

I am curious why would you want a proprietary/unproven new form factor intended for turdbooks on a desktop motherboard. This whole thing seems like an unnecessary change for the sake of change and just a gimmick to drive sales/profit for people selling hardware. There is nothing wrong with the memory slots we already have. Moving to this would limit your options as well. Just like the retarded 12VHPWR connector IMHO... totally unnecessary and possibly with more negatives than positives from what I can see right now. It might have some benfits, but I would definitely wait a year, maybe two, and see what happens with this. We don't know what the gotchas will turn out to be so it might be best to let others use their money and pay to be guinea pigs. Especially so if the CAMM memory kits are more expensive.

 

Potential Pros:

• It might be easier to cool with a waterblock than two DIMM modules
• Speeds start at 8400 (if that ultimately proves to be accurate and isn't just marketing hype)
• Eliminates the challenge of identifying an acceptable 2-DIMM motherboard (4-DIMM sucks)

 

Being cynical and skeptical, I wonder if the main reason this is being experimented with on desktop boards is because somebody does not want their pet project to fail. The idea of using these CAMM things in turdbooks is probably DOA because it takes up as much or more space than SO-DIMMs in a market where an irrational pursuit of thin and light trash is the primary driving force.

 

If it survives for two or more hardware generations, can be purchased for less than traditional memory kits, and becomes the new industry standard, at that point it would be something where I would embrace adoption.

[Papusan]

33 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am curious why would you want a proprietary/unproven new form factor intended for turdbooks on a desktop motherboard. This whole thing seems like an unnecessary change for the sake of change and just a gimmick to drive sales/profit for people selling hardware. There is nothing wrong with the memory slots we already have. Moving to this would limit your options as well. Just like the retarded 12VHPWR connector IMHO... totally unnecessary and possibly with more negatives than positives from what I can see right now. It might have some benfits, but I would definitely wait a year, maybe two, and see what happens with this. We don't know what the gotchas will turn out to be so it might be best to let others use their money and pay to be guinea pigs.

 

Potential Pros:

• It might be easier to cool with a waterblock than two DIMM modules
• Speeds start at 8400 (if that ultimately proves to be accurate and isn't just marketing hype)
• Eliminates the challenge of identifying an acceptable 2-DIMM motherboard (4-DIMM sucks)

 

Being cynical and skeptical, I wonder if the main reason this is being experimented with on desktop boards is because somebody does not want their pet project to fail. The idea of using these CAMM things in turdbooks is probably DOA because it takes up as much or more space than SO-DIMMs in a market where an irrational pursuit of thin and light trash is the primary driving force.

 

If it survives for two or more hardware generations, can be purchased for less than traditional memory kits, and becomes the new industry standard, at that point it would be something where I would embrace adoption.

While it is easier to cool down CAMM2 modules using a waterblock, it should be kept in mind that this form-factor was designed for density, not for ultimate performance. Therefore its signal contacts are located very close to each other, which could result in such effects as cross talk and interference. This is not a problem for operation at standard frequencies, but it usually affects overclocking potential.
 

And what with possible double sided modules or double up with two Camm slots? 

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, Papusan said:

While it is easier to cool down CAMM2 modules using a waterblock, it should be kept in mind that this form-factor was designed for density, not for ultimate performance. Therefore its signal contacts are located very close to each other, which could result in such effects as cross talk and interference. This is not a problem for operation at standard frequencies, but it usually affects overclocking potential.
 

And what with possible double sided modules or double up with two Camm slots? 

Yeah, too many unknown issues to be excited about this change. The way things go now, things rarely turn out as good as expected and I do not expect this will end well. It's unusual when new tech stuff doesn't suck. This is because the companies that design and manufacture technology products are idiots and the industry is composed of entities that are fundamentally dishonest. So, a wait and see ho-hum approach is the safest bet. Time will tell. I don't want to fund their unnecessary and frivolous experiments.

[Papusan]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, too many unknown issues to be excited about this change. The way things go now, things rarely turn out as good as expected and I do not expect this will end well. It's unusual when new tech stuff doesn't suck. This is because the companies that design and manufacture technology products are idiots and the industry is composed of entities that are fundamentally dishonest. So, a wait and see ho-hum approach is the safest bet. Time will tell. I don't want to fund their unnecessary and frivolous experiments.

People have too much trust into stupid engineers and for their preferred brand. You can’t fix stupidity. Also Asus tried similar for their high end motherboards. Update bios via forced updates from apps and Windows servers is perverse.

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/hp-bricks-probook-laptops-with-bad-bios-many-users-face-black-screen-after-windows-includes-firmware-in-automatic-updates
 

 

[Mr. Fox]

59 minutes ago, Papusan said:

People have too much trust into stupid engineers and for their preferred brand. You can’t fix stupidity. Also Asus tried similar for their high end motherboards. Update bios via forced updates from apps and Windows servers is perverse.

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/hp-bricks-probook-laptops-with-bad-bios-many-users-face-black-screen-after-windows-includes-firmware-in-automatic-updates 

Allowing updates to occur is never smart. Too many undisclosed things can occur. I have updates "paused" until August of 3000 and my target version for updates is 21H2 (22H2 is installed). According to Micro$lop documentation, if you have an invalid target version manually selected, no feature updates will be available to the computers with an invalid target version. I have also disabled the ability for the OS to query Micro$lop Update servers for the presence of available updates. A "don't ask, don't tell, do nothing" approach to managing updates.

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Pause Windows Updates until Aug 3000.reg

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Kind of cool

 

 

 

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/98668/msi-z790-project-zero-plus-motherboard-adopts-camm2-memory-for-extreme-overclocking/index.html

 

 

 

There are pros and cons to new form factors but I like the idea of all cabling in the back and as long as Camm modules can hit higher frequencies (as has already been displayed) then I like the flatter, nicer look too.

 

I'm all for innovation and pushing the industry forward in all aspects. 🙂

 

I fully embrace function AND form.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

30 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

There are pros and cons to new form factors but I like the idea of all cabling in the back and as long as Camm modules can hit higher frequencies (as has already been displayed) then I like the flatter, nicer look too.

 

I'm all for innovation and pushing the industry forward in all aspects. 🙂

 

I fully embrace function AND form.

 

 

Me too. But, I want to be convinced with other people's money first. People I know that think like me.

No more crash test dummy life for me. Too many regrets with that approach.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Me too. But, I want to be convinced with other people's money first. People I know that think like me.

No more crash test dummy life for me. Too many regrets with that approach.

 

Absolutely. I am a very big proponent of let others test version 1.0 aka beta testers. 🤣

[Raiderman]

I'm all for innovation also as long as the industry as a whole adopts the standard. If it's proprietary feces, then I want nothing to do with it. If it runs cooler, and clocks higher I'm all for it too.

[Raiderman]

Well, I still have not had any luck getting the aqua vbios to work, but I did flash the Asrock taichi power bios, and my card is almost back to normal. Come to find out, I was flashing at 3.3v. I'm lucky I didn't cook one of the chips. I will double check and make sure I downloaded the correct aqua bios from techpowerup, and try again.

[electrosoft]

40 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Well, I still have not had any luck getting the aqua vbios to work, but I did flash the Asrock taichi power bios, and my card is almost back to normal. Come to find out, I was flashing at 3.3v. I'm lucky I didn't cook one of the chips. I will double check and make sure I downloaded the correct aqua bios from techpowerup, and try again.

 

You're very lucky. Luckily along that variable ~1.8v-6.6v range it settled somewhat in the proper range and you didn't torch it.

 

I always keep one of these around for 1.8v programming:

 

[Mr. Fox]

Nice to see Roman calling BS on all of the AI idiocy. We've never had as much smoke blown up our butts as this stupid AI crap.

 

 

[Raiderman]

@electrosoft

https://videocardz.com/newz/rumor-suggests-amd-ryzen-9000x3d-is-launching-sooner-than-expected

[electrosoft]

9 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

@electrosoft

https://videocardz.com/newz/rumor-suggests-amd-ryzen-9000x3d-is-launching-sooner-than-expected

 

Well.....damn....... 🙂

 

If I did pick one up I'd probably move my 7950X3D into my daughter's system and replace her 7600x or upgrade my wife's 12900k to the 7950X3D.

 

The "smart" move is to hold off and wait for Intel's new chips for comparison but I might "accidentally" click the order button....who knows? 🙈🙉🙊

[Papusan]

26 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nice to see Roman calling BS on all of the AI idiocy. We've never had as much smoke blown up our butts as this stupid AI crap.

 

 

 

LOOL

 

I have already mentioned this several in the thread. Everything is AI. Then AI have to ask myself..... Are all running a tech company stupid?

 

[Mr. Fox]

9 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

LOOL

 

I have already mentioned this several in the thread. Everything is AI. Then AI have to ask myself..... Are all running a tech company stupid?

 

Products coming to market brandishing an "AI" label on them are for artificially intelligent consumers (aka idiots) that believe they are buying something special or unique. Even something as idiotic as a mouse with a button to launch Copilot feces shows how low the bar is set on consumer stupidity.

[Tenoroon]

I made this comment after watching LTT's Qualcomm advertisement a few days ago, some people agree and others don't. Most people made points to their argument, which I love to see, but this fella is the type of person to disappoint me. Closed-minded without explaining his point of view and jumping to a conclusion.

I've been reading the discussions here about CAMM. While I am of the same mindset of "let others test it first," I do think it has some potential. I'm mostly just hoping for an entire revision to RAM. I've seen many people complain about the many problems that DIMMs have, so I hope to see something supersede it as we drastically increase RAM speeds (and while tighter integration as I mentioned above is an answer, it's an answer I don't like). The only thing I don't like about CAMM is that it's just one module. Rest in peace if you are on a budget and want to expand in the future...

I've also acquired a Steam Deck. I had some wallet balance and some old skins for Counter Strike I got rid of, so I ended up getting the 64gb variant for pretty cheap. While many of you in this thread might not care for this type of technology, I think it's pretty interesting and has some potential for gaming (and even sometimes, light computing) on the go. Super low wattage APU's are pretty cool, and seeing how AMD's Strix and Strix Halo are around the corner, I'm excited to see what the future holds.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Tenoroon said:

I made this comment after watching LTT's Qualcomm advertisement a few days ago, some people agree and others don't. Most people made points to their argument, which I love to see, but this fella is the type of person to disappoint me. Closed-minded without explaining his point of view and jumping to a conclusion.

I've been reading the discussions here about CAMM. While I am of the same mindset of "let others test it first," I do think it has some potential. I'm mostly just hoping for an entire revision to RAM. I've seen many people complain about the many problems that DIMMs have, so I hope to see something supersede it as we drastically increase RAM speeds (and while tighter integration as I mentioned above is an answer, it's an answer I don't like). The only thing I don't like about CAMM is that it's just one module. Rest in peace if you are on a budget and want to expand in the future...

I've also acquired a Steam Deck. I had some wallet balance and some old skins for Counter Strike I got rid of, so I ended up getting the 64gb variant for pretty cheap. While many of you in this thread might not care for this type of technology, I think it's pretty interesting and has some potential for gaming (and even sometimes, light computing) on the go. Super low wattage APU's are pretty cool, and seeing how AMD's Strix and Strix Halo are around the corner, I'm excited to see what the future holds.

Funny, I just watched that video today. "Seems like you hate efficiency got it 👍" warrants a response like "Seems like you love e-waste and disposable products... yeah, that's really efficient... good job." and these are the same ridiculous bozos that believe humans are causing climate change and have the ability to affect or influence it. Hypocrisy is just one of the syptoms of abject stupidity.

[Raiderman]

Well, I now have taichi's stock power bios and taichi's standard aqua bios installed. Now I need to usee DDU, and uninstall the driver, then use the .exe file to update the aqua bios to the extreme variant. At least I'm done taking the waterblock off and on. 1.8v, and the proper vbios from techpowerup. Now to find some time to torture it, as if the poor thing hasn't been through enough. 🤣👍

[ryan]

5090 Leaks so far as far as accuracy goes no one knows but typically leaks from a certain sources tend to be fairly accurate. usually within 10 percent of the actual card when it releases.

 

448bit

28gb gddr7

1568gb/s

24567 cuda cores

 

rest unkown and nothing can really be drawn from it other than they are gunning according to the leaks for 50 percent increase over 4090, which is good but the sources are saying it will also cost 50 percent more which is good for users with the 4090 as the 4090s price will not be affected adversely.

 

I will be saving up for a few months and likely jump on a 5090 unless geforce now releases more games and a 5080-5090 gpu in the cloud. running natively is nice but games are not advancing very fast(see sloth) and honestly im not a hardcore gamer with eagles eyes. but if games get released that show 1 or two reasons to spend 5k then im all for it...bring on the next crysis

[Raiderman]

After much trial and error, I've finally succeeded. Special thanks to @Mr. Fox for keeping me grounded, and @electrosoft for convincing me to get the taichi (the pcb withstood some serious abuse)

 

 

[Papusan]

On 3/20/2024 at 6:37 PM, Papusan said:

Low bin +$50 above vanilla cards. Middle bin +$100. High bin +$150. Top bin +$200 (980Ti K|np|n) (72%, 74%, 76%, 80% Asic) Here's how EVGA priced pre-binned 980Ti K|ngp|n. 

 

The flagship from Asus couldn't even have been binned as the cheapest 980Ti Kingpin card.

 

 

I opened up theAssus Matrix 980Ti. Not very impressed over the paste job done by Asus for their overprice flagship card. As well see what Asus offer of binning for their flagship. What's wrong with Asus? Going cheapo for the binning. Thermal paste job done by blind monkeys. And Asus can't even afford cooling for the vram for their gaming flagship. And the only flagship coming with wimpy 2x 8-pinspower connectors of the tree big brands. Weird Asus is still in the tech top. 

 

Every new gen of Asus hardware have some major flaws. Something is very good and something is very bad. Flagship products shouldn't have major flaws. Their culture can't be changed over night. All too much is wrong. 

 

 

 

This is the cooler from Galax. Nickel plated copper cold plate. Come with 7 pipes and as well cooler for the vram. And the paste joblooks decent.

 

On 6/8/2024 at 4:16 AM, Papusan said:

It seems I won the Matrix 980Ti  lottery🙂 The asic score is 81.5%. On top I won the vram lottery and got Samsung vram🙂

 

 

The card looks in very good shape. But the card need a re-paste. Remember the card in unopened (never re-pasted) and the card is 9 years old. 

 

Ultimate GTX 980 Ti Matrix Platinum Air/LN2 Overclocking Guide by Xtreme Addict

 

My new "old" card. Say hello to the Matrix from Maxwell gen. Of course I haven't forgot the pict lover @electrosoft😁

 

Just a render test. 

 

The only I have access to. Conductive metal tape. But I need a real LN2 vbios. Have one saved that I will try flash later.

 

A very huge and heavy card. But still below half the weigt vs my 4090 HOF

 

 

 

 

Edit. Flashed the recommended 900W vbios

@Mr. Fox How is this even possible? Asus bin their best 980Ti Matrix Platinum cards from mid 60% Asic and upwards. I got asic 81.5% and Samsung while others get the pure bottom trash and loads of Matrix cards come with with Hynix. 

 

Asic scores (quality measurements) range from 67% to 85% is awful graceful for flagship products. This should have never happened from any company. And if I have digged more I'm sure I would see samples down to low 60% asic. Sad seeing this is the normal. Even today (yep, we don't have asic scores to measure quality anymore but some things will never change - we are still offered trash). 

[Raiderman]

Looks as though the camm2 standard may be the next memory interface 🤷‍♂️

 

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/kingston-unveils-new-camm2-ram-modules-at-computex-bold-new-ram-form-factor-comes-to-pc-on-msi-and-asus-boards