kaz26 Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Notebook model: Clevo N960KR with Unlocked BIOS and XMP ready. Additional info in signature RAM specifics: Mushkin Redline 64GB (32GBx2) 3200MHz (PC4-25600) CL-16 Model # MRA4S320GJJM32GX2 BSOD: KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED caused by address: ntoskrnl.exe+428c50 I only have two ram slots and need 64GB total for the work I do and bought a 2x32GB Mushkin Redline kit. With XMP profile 1 enabled it booted at 3200MHz and CL16 as advertised, but my system is unstable at this speed and continue to crash and even corrupted a windows system file, but this was easily fixed when I ran SFC /scannow in the command prompt. My question(s): Does anyone have experience with this kit? If so, were there any settings required that helped it work smoother? If this is simply not going to work on my system, does anyone have advise on other DDR4 RAM with tight timings at 3200MHZ? Laptops: 1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling. 2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 If you don't manage to get anything tighter to work, it's hard to beat the Impacts for compatibility and reliability: https://www.kingston.com/datasheets/KF432S20IBK2_64.pdf 1 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz26 Posted February 8, 2023 Author Share Posted February 8, 2023 Thank you @Etern4l One thing that is a little confusing to me is that Kingston put out two versions of the same modules basically. I don't see any real difference between the Hyperx and Fury modules. They have the same timings as default timings. The only different is that the Hyperx is JDEC compliant at 3200MHz and the FURY seems to require XMP to run at that "default speed" of 3200MHz. Considering XMP is not a default setting, this is weird wording to me on their specs sheet. I decided to go for the Fury kit for now. It should be here in a couple days. I'll report back once I try it out. The other set of RAM I was looking at was way out of my desired price range. That is, the Crucial Ballistic 3200MHz DDR4 32GBx2 kit Laptops: 1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling. 2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Kingston sold HyperX brand to... HP? I'm not sure, so rebranded their own modules to Fury. Same thing essentially. 1 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz26 Posted February 8, 2023 Author Share Posted February 8, 2023 Here's a list of RAM kits that fit my needs: All RAM in this list are 64GB kits (32GBx2), SO-DIMM DDR4 listed as capable of 3200Mhz. 1. Crucial Ballistix BL2K32G32C16S4B (CL16) * This one is VERY expensive, approximately 2x the price of the second highest priced kit. 2. G.Skill Ripjaws F4-3200C22D-64GRS (CL22) 3. Kingston HyperX Impact HX432S20IBK2/64 (CL20) 4. Kingston FURY Impact KF432S20IBK2/64 (CL20) 5. Mushkin Redline MRA4S320GJJM32GX2 (CL16) 6. Corsair Vengeance CMSX64GX4M2A3200C22 (CL22) 7. OLOy MD4S3232220BZ0DH (CL22) As I find other kits, I will post them here. For now these are the kits I am aware of. Laptops: 1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling. 2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz26 Posted February 8, 2023 Author Share Posted February 8, 2023 It would be nice to get this Mushkin RAM running the way it is supposed to. I was hoping someone knew of some BIOS settings or software that would make this possible. Laptops: 1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling. 2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 The only levers you may have is raise the voltage or loosen the timings, if your BIOS allows that. If not, you're done and just move on. I would just get Fury/HX Impact off that list. Even if you did get the Ballistix, there is no guarantee they would work. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz26 Posted February 11, 2023 Author Share Posted February 11, 2023 @Etern4l Thank you for the input, I went ahead and ordered a set of the Kingston Fury, it should be just fine for what I do. The difference between the Fury and Ballistix is probably not noticeable in real world use and I don't have the time to mess with it right now. I might give the Redline another shot this weekend. I believe I am able to adjust both the timings and voltage. I will start with a small voltage increase and see where that gets me. 1 Laptops: 1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling. 2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 No worries. Also bear in mind that you may be able to run the Fury with tighter clocks. Works for me with Fury Beast on the desktop side. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz26 Posted February 11, 2023 Author Share Posted February 11, 2023 Good to know, I will definitely give it a try. What were the timings and voltage you were able to use? Laptops: 1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling. 2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Mostly successful brining timings down, quite a bit - say from CL40 to CL34, with further reduction in secondary timings. I have not had much luck with raising voltages. Bear in mind I'm talking about Fury Beast desktop DDR5, and DDR5 is a different, well.. beast. I also only use HyperX RAM in laptops with no issues, albeit never had a chance to play around with tuning due to the usual BIOS limitations. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz26 Posted February 14, 2023 Author Share Posted February 14, 2023 The Kingston FURY arrived and I was able to tighten up the timings to CL18. I will post a screenshot of it in HWINFO and also CPUz. It's running stable at this speed also, but I'm not entirely sure what the voltage is. I set it to 1.35v in BIOS, but I would like to verify that it is actually running at that voltage. Are there any RAM benchmarks that you would recommend? So far, the performance seems about the same as my G.Skill 3000MHz 32GB (16GBx2), which is not bad considering this is a 64GB (32GBx2) kit. The only problem I'm having now is that my power supply is too small and keeps shutting off when I run benchmark tests or when I am doing large 3D renderings for work. The power supply is supposedly 230W brick, but my wattmeter is telling me I'm pulling up to 238W from it. They must have underrated this adapter. I'm guessing it's really a 280W power supply. Either way, I'm maxing it out and need to upgrade to a 330W adapter. This could be effecting my system stability. Laptops: 1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling. 2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz26 Posted February 14, 2023 Author Share Posted February 14, 2023 Laptops: 1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling. 2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 If you are using Windows then AIDA64 and SiSoft Sandra are probably best for benching. Recommend you also test stability using Memtest86 over several hours. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz26 Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 Thank you again, I will try those and report back. I also just ordered a set of the G.Skill 3200MHz to compare. I have searched all over for some kind of comparison between these kits and couldn't find it, so I decided to do it myself. The Vengeance from what I have read is about the same speed as the Kingston FURY, and the OLOy is a little slower than the FURY, so I don't think I will be trying those kits, but we'll see. If anyone reading this has some of those other kits and can run some benchmarks, it would be greatly appreciated. Laptops: 1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling. 2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz26 Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 Can you tell me what settings you used for your Kingston FURY? The way I'm doing is simply by setting the first three values, the CL, tRCD, and tRP and then letting the other values populate automatically. I have noticed that the tRFC does not change when I change the other timings that I mentioned. Please excuse my lack of knowledge on this. I am new to RAM overclocking, I typically just set it on XMP and leave it. I want to understand it better. Laptops: 1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling. 2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Yeah, I just set the first 3-4 values, and never bother with the rest. MSI BIOS has features when it tries to automatically tighten other timings too, although this can obviously affect stability. Probably best to tighten them one by one in order for optimal results. Very time consuming though. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz26 Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 I played around with some of the BIOS settings and got much better results. I wasn't as methodical as I should have been so I'm not entirely sure what I changed to achieve this, but I believe it was something to do with the thermal management settings. The Kingston FURY RAM is running much better now. 1 Laptops: 1. Clevo P750DM-G: Z170 chipset, Intel 6700K cpu, Quadro P4200 gpu, 64GB HyperX DDR4 2400MHz RAM, Prema BIOS, modded cooling. 2. Clevo N960KR: H570 chipset, Intel 11700K cpu, RTX 3070 gpu, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3000MHz RAM. Unlocked BIOS, additional mods in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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