Official Clevo X170SM-G Thread

[crz]

1 hour ago, MaxxD said:

think there are bugs here due to the RTX 3080 card and the Prema BIOS is not designed for it, but the 2080 Super would be good for it, since this BIOS was made for it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong! Thanks!✌️

 

Definitely this video card does not work completely correctly on this laptop, as I assumed earlier in the Prema bios there is no support for this GPU, it is quite possible that there are also some hardware limitations associated with the problems of using two video outputs at one time or something else.

 

You must know how this should work in the case of 2080, and if it doesn't raise any questions there, then the conclusion is obvious.

[MaxxD]

10 hours ago, crz said:

 

Definitely this video card does not work completely correctly on this laptop, as I assumed earlier in the Prema bios there is no support for this GPU, it is quite possible that there are also some hardware limitations associated with the problems of using two video outputs at one time or something else.

 

You must know how this should work in the case of 2080, and if it doesn't raise any questions there, then the conclusion is obvious.

 

That's exactly right!  You spelled it right!  I couldn't have done it any better...😋😔

[MaxxD]

Currently, a better result cannot be achieved.
170/600, which I can give it, sometimes the image is blurry during the test (1 flash), so I took it back instead.

It's still perfectly fine, the test runs without any problems.
CPU Default consumes 220W+ during CPU test!😄

 

[1610ftw]

Congratulations, you cracked 13000!

I also see that temps went down a lot, was that with liquid cooling?

 

[MaxxD]

4 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

Congratulations, you cracked 13000!

I also see that temps went down a lot, was that with liquid cooling?

 

 

Thanks!  

Yes, the water system was already in operation during the test.🤭😆

 

[crz]

On 6/9/2024 at 7:06 PM, MaxxD said:

Currently, a better result cannot be achieved.
170/600, which I can give it, sometimes the image is blurry during the test (1 flash), so I took it back instead.

It's still perfectly fine, the test runs without any problems.

Beautiful results Max, do you still think that a bios modification is really necessary, or are you completely satisfied with what has been achieved in the end?

[MaxxD]

6 minutes ago, crz said:

Beautiful results Max, do you still think that a bios modification is really necessary, or are you completely satisfied with what has been achieved in the end?

 

I think basic operation according to the appropriate factory specification is essential.  So Yes, it is necessary!☝️✌️😉

[crz]

19 minutes ago, MaxxD said:

I think basic operation according to the appropriate factory specification is essential.

And it's pretty hard to disagree with this, it's always nice when the device has full native support and works as it should in all aspects, nevertheless, I think it's really worth just enjoying what you managed to get at the moment.

[MaxxD]

12 minutes ago, crz said:

And it's pretty hard to disagree with this, it's always nice when the device has full native support and works as it should in all aspects, nevertheless, I think it's really worth just enjoying what you managed to get at the moment.

 

Of course, this is also a nice result, but if I use the factory 150+15W (=165W) and add a little extra, the result would be even better! 😋🤭

[crz]

28 minutes ago, MaxxD said:

Of course, this is also a nice result, but if I use the factory 150+15W (=165W)

 

I just noticed on your screenshot that the consumption does not reach the maximum 165 watts.. in any case, a deep modification of the bios for relatively new and any devices without the source files is quite difficult and I do not think that at least soon it will be possible and someone will be able to do it.

[MaxxD]

1 hour ago, crz said:

 

I just noticed on your screenshot that the consumption does not reach the maximum 165 watts.. in any case, a deep modification of the bios for relatively new and any devices without the source files is quite difficult and I do not think that at least soon it will be possible and someone will be able to do it.

 

I hope someone can solve it and the picture will be complete...😇

[Bidelloman]

Apparently all the bios ( and gpu) changes finally caught up with the obsidian fan control licence system: my licence stopped working. Which is a problem, without it, completely useless.

And then I'd need a fan control app which ramps up BOTH fans for even 1 load ( cpu OR gpu) instead of 1 for 1.

[1610ftw]

10 hours ago, Bidelloman said:

Apparently all the bios ( and gpu) changes finally caught up with the obsidian fan control licence system: my licence stopped working. Which is a problem, without it, completely useless.

And then I'd need a fan control app which ramps up BOTH fans for even 1 load ( cpu OR gpu) instead of 1 for 1.

 

Surprised it was still working as it stopped working for others some time before.

 

How did the ramping up of both fans work in the Obsidian App?

It is a very good functionality for a unified heatsink that I have to manually adjust for in the Clevo Fan Control app.

I usually adjust both fans to a base of 50 for higher loads which is only one click but it would be nice to have it automated according to the desired bahaviour.

 

[Bidelloman]

53 minutes ago, 1610ftw said:

 

Surprised it was still working as it stopped working for others some time before.

 

How did the ramping up of both fans work in the Obsidian App?

It is a very good functionality for a unified heatsink that I have to manually adjust for in the Clevo Fan Control app.

I usually adjust both fans to a base of 50 for higher loads which is only one click but it would be nice to have it automated according to the desired bahaviour.

 

i used a profile called silent mode, changed some of the points in the curves, then set "sync to hottest device value", meaning that if the gpu started going on full load, according to the gpu fan profile, BOTH fans would ramp up, making it much less noisy and honestly, better temps overall. No other fan control I have tried, including rlec, clevo fan control from github and the ccc fan control one hold a candle to that AND  to the fan ramp routine, as it was far less annoying, progressive and easy on the ears.

I assume no support exists where I can ask for this issue to be fixed.

 

https://getfancontrol.com/

this looked interesting, though i recall it did not work much if at all for me, did not recognise much.

[1610ftw]

15 minutes ago, Bidelloman said:

i used a profile called silent mode, changed some of the points in the curves, then set "sync to hottest device value", meaning that if the gpu started going on full load, according to the gpu fan profile, BOTH fans would ramp up, making it much less noisy and honestly, better temps overall. No other fan control I have tried, including rlec, clevo fan control from github and the ccc fan control one hold a candle to that AND  to the fan ramp routine, as it was far less annoying, progressive and easy on the ears.

I assume no support exists where I can ask for this issue to be fixed.

 

I do not think that anybody managed to reach them recently but there was some talk about another company they now have so maybe you can contact them through that?

 

Sync to hottest device value is a cool option and it would be great if somebody could add it to Clevo Fan Control (CFC).

It is clearly the best thing to do in the days of unified heatsinks as now both fans are CPU and GPU fans anyhow as they cool down the whole heatsink.

 

Regarding the full load scenario you can achieve that automatically in CFC by setting the temp thresholds to 80C as then both CPU and GPU fan will ramp up when either the CPU or GPU crosses that threshold.

 

I have set up mine to the lowest fan noise that I still consider acceptable which is 27 for CPU and 24 for GPU and if there is more ambient noise I go up to 30. I keep the GPU fan speed flat up to 80 and for the GPU up to 70 and then I only ramp up to max when CPU or GPU go above 80C or I set it to a minimum of 50 as a base with heavier loads as that is also an option.

 

Imo it is the best alternative for you until you hopefully get the Obsidian app sorted out.

 

When I tried RLEC it seemed to have some advantages like support for two GPU fans but it made my fans click when going from one temperature range to the next, it was rather annoying.

 

CCC is an abomination and I am glad that I finally managed to get rid of it so I would not use that considering that CFC also has the default Clevo fan curve as an option.

[Bidelloman]

ccc I use it only to switch power modes on the go without resorting to bios.

 

Yeah now i remember, remi mercier fan control does not detect the fan headers...meaning it cannot communicate with EC

[1610ftw]

I only tried the software that people had successfully used for their Clevo units so CCC, CFC and RLEC as at the time Obsidian was not available any more so now I use CFC.

[MaxxD]

Has anyone else experienced with the Control Station program that you enter the multiplier, accept it, it starts to adjust and it returns to the original setting? What is the solution to this?🤨

[1610ftw]

1 hour ago, MaxxD said:

Has anyone else experienced with the Control Station program that you enter the multiplier, accept it, it starts to adjust and it returns to the original setting? What is the solution to this?🤨

 

Have you enabled overclocking in the bios and set max multipliers high enough to make your adjustments work? Not sure if that is even necessary with the Prema bios or if it is already maxed out for soemthing like 5.2 GHz all cores 🙂

I you have then it should work and if it doesn't it is just Clevo Control Center (CC) acting up again.

 

As I consider it a very bad piece of software I have never used it myself and only use Throttlestop 9.4 und Windows with the all P-Core Intel systems. I like to use different profiles on the go and when stationary so that is the best option for me. I would at most use CCC for the RGB lighting and maybe the power modes but different options for fans, CPU and GPU.

 

I use:

 

CPU: Throttlestop 9.4

GPU: MSI Afterburner (for benching only, my GPU is not doing much most of the time)

fans: Clevo Fan Control

 

I also consider Clevo Control Center to be an exceptionally hideous program/app, it hurts my eyes. I would say that it looks about as good as it works...

 

For me it is now hidden it on another system partition so that from time to time I can adjust my keyboard RGB with it, that is all I still need to use it for.

[Bidelloman]

8 minutes ago, 1610ftw said:

 

Have you enabled overclocking in the bios and set max multipliers high enough to make your adjustments work? Not sure if that is even necessary with the Prema bios or if it is already maxed out for soemthing like 5.2 GHz all cores 🙂

I you have then it should work and if it doesn't it is just Clevo Control Center (CC) acting up again.

 

As I consider it a very bad piece of software I have never used it myself and only use Throttlestop 9.4 und Windows with the all P-Core Intel systems. I like to use different profiles on the go and when stationary so that is the best option for me. I would at most use CCC for the RGB lighting and maybe the power modes but different options for fans, CPU and GPU.

 

I use:

 

CPU: Throttlestop 9.4

GPU: MSI Afterburner (for benching only, my GPU is not doing much most of the time)

fans: Clevo Fan Control

 

I also consider Clevo Control Center to be an exceptionally hideous program/app, it hurts my eyes. I would say that it looks about as good as it works...

 

For me it is now hidden it on another system partition so that from time to time I can adjust my keyboard RGB with it, that is all I still need to use it for.

the main issue with ccc in my experience is represented by the overclocking apps and the xtu modules. Once you remove those, the app is fine for what it is and you can uninstall its sub apps with revo uninstaller, I only have the power mode selector and the rgb control app as I like them on the go. Msi afterburner's been a up and down experience, I like my voltage curve editing and hopefully, the future integration of control panel, geforce experience and other account-less controls will ease the burden...in its nvcleanstall form of course.

All hail Throttlestop ofc

[MaxxD]

1 hour ago, 1610ftw said:

 

Have you enabled overclocking in the bios and set max multipliers high enough to make your adjustments work? Not sure if that is even necessary with the Prema bios or if it is already maxed out for soemthing like 5.2 GHz all cores 🙂

I you have then it should work and if it doesn't it is just Clevo Control Center (CC) acting up again.

 

As I consider it a very bad piece of software I have never used it myself and only use Throttlestop 9.4 und Windows with the all P-Core Intel systems. I like to use different profiles on the go and when stationary so that is the best option for me. I would at most use CCC for the RGB lighting and maybe the power modes but different options for fans, CPU and GPU.

 

I use:

 

CPU: Throttlestop 9.4

GPU: MSI Afterburner (for benching only, my GPU is not doing much most of the time)

fans: Clevo Fan Control

 

I also consider Clevo Control Center to be an exceptionally hideous program/app, it hurts my eyes. I would say that it looks about as good as it works...

 

For me it is now hidden it on another system partition so that from time to time I can adjust my keyboard RGB with it, that is all I still need to use it for.

 

This is the PCSpecialist Clevo X170 machine.  It has a BIOS "made" by them (completely closed) and I was able to set the i9-10900K processor perfectly and all other functions of the entire Obsidian software worked.  I used it continuously for several years and didn't even need dSanke BIOS Unlocker, because Obsidian completely replaced it.

 

I just put the i5-10400F processor in place of the i9-10900K and by default the i5 is hotter than the i9 in the zTecpc machine by default!  How interesting!🤭😌🤔

[1610ftw]

1 hour ago, Bidelloman said:

the main issue with ccc in my experience is represented by the overclocking apps and the xtu modules. Once you remove those, the app is fine for what it is and you can uninstall its sub apps with revo uninstaller, I only have the power mode selector and the rgb control app as I like them on the go. Msi afterburner's been a up and down experience, I like my voltage curve editing and hopefully, the future integration of control panel, geforce experience and other account-less controls will ease the burden...in its nvcleanstall form of course.

All hail Throttlestop ofc

 

if you needed to switch power modes in windows could you not do that with the Obsidian suite of apps?

 

Agreed on MSI Afterburner, it is another program that I do not like that much but it is useful to limit the power that goes to the card, increase efficiency and of course it is essential for benching.

I thought it was mandatory to use special curves for maximum results but have stopped using them as editing the curve is a huge pita as the curve editor is stunningly hard to use and a complete waste of time imo for benching which is all I do with my GPUs when I play with MSI Afterburner.

 

Nvidia could do a good job emulating what Afterbruner does but leave it to them to somehow mess things up by limiting how much you can increase clcok and memory speed or something else.

 

Yes I love Throttlestop - It does what it needs to do, gives good feedback, has nice taskbar infos that are configurable, a good support and their design is small and unobtrusive and not all over my desktop. From my own experience it is excellent for unlocked Intel consumer CPUs from 6th to 11th gen and still pretty usable for 12th to 14th gen and locked versions that can be undervolted.

[1610ftw]

3 minutes ago, MaxxD said:

 

This is the PCSpecialist Clevo X170 machine.  It has a BIOS "made" by them (completely closed) and I was able to set the i9-10900K processor perfectly and all other functions of the entire Obsidian software worked.  I used it continuously for several years and didn't even need dSanke BIOS Unlocker, because Obsidian completely replaced it.

 

I just put the i5-10400F processor in place of the i9-10900K and by default the i5 is hotter than the i9 in the zTecpc machine by default!  How interesting!🤭😌🤔

 

Haha, that is quite unimpressive 😄

 

If it was unlocked before and you did not do anything to the bios I would try ThrottleStop for the CPU but I doubt that you can do much as this is not an unlocked CPU. Maybe some undervolting will be possible but it is unlikely you can increase the clock speeds, just decrease.

 

 

 

[Bidelloman]

18 minutes ago, 1610ftw said:

 

if you needed to switch power modes in windows could you not do that with the Obsidian suite of apps?

 

Agreed on MSI Afterburner, it is another program that I do not like that much but it is useful to limit the power that goes to the card, increase efficiency and of course it is essential for benching.

I thought it was mandatory to use special curves for maximum results but have stopped using them as editing the curve is a huge pita as the curve editor is stunningly hard to use and a complete waste of time imo for benching which is all I do with my GPUs when I play with MSI Afterburner.

 

Nvidia could do a good job emulating what Afterbruner does but leave it to them to somehow mess things up by limiting how much you can increase clcok and memory speed or something else.

 

Yes I love Throttlestop - It does what it needs to do, gives good feedback, has nice taskbar infos that are configurable, a good support and their design is small and unobtrusive and not all over my desktop. From my own experience it is excellent for unlocked Intel consumer CPUs from 6th to 11th gen and still pretty usable for 12th to 14th gen and locked versions that can be undervolted.

I do not have the entire suite. Just fan control and had the updater too

[MaxxD]

32 minutes ago, 1610ftw said:

 

Haha, that is quite unimpressive 😄

 

If it was unlocked before and you did not do anything to the bios I would try ThrottleStop for the CPU but I doubt that you can do much as this is not an unlocked CPU. Maybe some undervolting will be possible but it is unlikely you can increase the clock speeds, just decrease.

 

 

 

 

My goal is to reduce.  3.5GHz would be perfectly fine with an i5 processor. Since it is a locked processor, increasing the multiplier is not even possible.😉😃